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Ersan:
Injuries and uncertainties, simple as that. Not a matter of performance. People who put up much much much worse numbers than him are getting paid. And let's not forget the Lakers wanted him as well, and regardless of his reputation he would have been paid much more than the minimum there. I think he wanted a shot at a ring, that's a very powerful motive for taking a cut and of course he wanted to play with the GOAT.

It goes beyond that mate. He had ok numbers but no team trying to win anything is building their team around Derrick Rose. FACT! His best shot was always going to be at a contender who needed veteran contribution. It would be daft for a young and upcoming team to pay Rose. The Knicks and Bulls two of the worst run franchises balked at doing that. So no gainsaying

SIRcumalot:
Everyone isn't getting paid.
If that money is not enough evidence his last season with Miami nko?
I thought it was on this same thread somebody was educating me on why the cavs should sweep the league because our players were drafted high.
Is this talk about who is better between Rose and kyrie at the moment? I confuse because you already have my answer.

That was not an all-star caliber season. Neither Dion Waiters nor Tristan Thompson have contended for any sort of award in the league. Not even player of the week so don't use getting paid as a point when there is a clear glut of money in the league at the moment
Don't confuse yourself. You have openly tagged Kyrie a ball hog and inferior playmaker and this is what I objected to showing you that Kyrie's early years and playing with a Forward hell-bent on doing point guard work will not let you see the best of Kyrie

SIRcumalot:
Dion got paid this year.
Tristan sef get him value. Na two players be that without even checking roster
When I already called Rose at this point in his career,similar to Kyrie but poorer shooting numbers!?
Na you suppose tell us why Kyrie no be ball hogger.

Everybody with two legs is getting paid! Zach Randolph is almost 38 and is on a $12m per year deal. What you should be asking yourself is why no one picked up Rose. How many all-star games between Dion and Tristan? Playing with Carlos Boozer and Luol Deng in your early years is different from playing with Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson

SIRcumalot:
No,but that supporting cast na easy excuse.
When the team needed another playmaker to run the cavs offense this last season where Kyrie dey? His a great iso scorer,big shot maker,The rest still remains to be seen.
If the term for ball hogging never change na kyrie face go appear near the term for dictionary,not necessarily a bad thing.
Have seen Rose be better on a good team,the cavs are a really good team not that we need him for passing he just need to play like kyrie for us to work well.

What is easy excuse? Which player in that Kyrie roster has gone on to be anything? When you have a Forward that insists on playing a Point Guard's role then what you see should be what you get. I strongly suspect this was another reason Kyrie wanted out. If Kyrie is a ball hog then wait till you see Derrick Rose hit the floor. Go and look at their catch and shoot numbers. Wo o ti mo meme. If you feel Rose is a better playmaker we go see. Shey season starts in less than 40 days
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Roland17:
For his size and courage, IT4 is an anomaly and its this same anomaly in size that concerns me about his hip injury especially considering he turns 29 in February. I think he would miss a significant portion of the season and play sporadically when he returns which would force the Cavs to move him elsewhere.

I heard February. I got to give it to Ainge if true then he is one smart mofo

Ersan:
LMAO! I've been rating kawhi for a very long time just as I'm rating the human alphabet now saying he will get his due credit in a while and he has. Sometimes when opinions clash it's good to hear the opinions of experts as well, if you think these two are wastemen then what about sir Charles and Shaq who both rate him as number 2 in the league? Do you know basketball better than them as well? What about your god Jeffrey? Sit down small fry! Put some respect on kawhis name and get of Currys d-ck! No objective person who watches the NBA will make such ridiculous statements.

Leading a team of 3 all stars to the finals is no unachievable feat. Kawhi is basically carrying the Spurs in the stacked west to the conference finals. Only way to stop the Spurs from spanking them like they were is to send zaza to do him dirty.

You argue like a troglodyte at times. There is a difference between opinion and what actually goes on on the court. The same Sir Charles who said a jump shooting team would never win a Chip? It seems brain dey pain you. Steph Curry was the best player in the league two years straight! Kawhi has never been the best player in the league at any point in time so FOH with that noise. Leading a team with 3 all-stars? Didn't Lebron your god also need a bunch of all stars to win a ring? Last season was Kawhi's first time of getting the Spurs to a Conference Finals and he definitely had plenty help. Hell they beat the Rockets twice without him! So you are the one who needs to get of Kawhi's preeq

MrBrownJay1:
dont use this ONE race (Monza) to evaluate how good the Ferrari is. at Spa, the Vet clearly was faster than Ham, the only issue is that he had no SKILLS to overtake him.


if a driver has a faster lapping car, yet CANNOT overtake slower cars, then i am sorry to say that he is rubbish.

here is a video of Alonso with a shiitty car overtaking cars that are faster than his own (through AMAZING skills):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxwZ3FFInao

Since we are talking about rubbish drivers sorely lacking in skills. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Exhibit A: Fernando Alonslow with the Driver's Championship on the line. Inhaling Vitaly goddamn Petrov's fumes for almost 40 LAPS. Mind you he only needed to finish 4th. Started 3rd on the grid but somehow finished 7th. Lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj8FUfaujRA

MrBrownJay1:
what i am trying to tell you is that the Raikkonen finishing so well means that Ferrari is certainly NOT slower than the Mercs....

What does that imply? I'm tired of pointing out to you that Kimi is a fantastic driver. You don't win 20 races with 3 different cars if you are an average driver. The Ferrari is slower than the Merc

MrBrownJay1:
out of 13 races , i can only point out to two Ferrari 1-2, yes.... the Mercs only had 3. if the Mercs was clearly faster, they would finish EVERY RACE as a 1-2, like the Vet and RBR did when they were obviously above the rest.

Yes largely due to Bottas being a meh driver. Rosberg showed what could be done with a vastly faster car. And chill with the fables. How many 1-2s did RBR do? Webber never finished 2nd in the driver's championship so try another lie

MrBrownJay1:
dont use this ONE race (Monza) to evaluate how good the Ferrari is. at Spa, the Vet clearly was faster than Ham, the only issue is that he had no SKILLS to overtake him.

I don't need that race to tell me what I already know. The Pole count clearly shows who drives the faster cars. We have seen Vettel pass Hamilton in the past with evenly matched cars so stop doing a strawman.

MrBrownJay1:
it is just to show you that that Ferrari car is NOT slow.... far from it!

No one said the car is slow. What I'm saying is it is clear as day that the Merc is the faster whip

MrBrownJay1:
is the championship only about the fast track where you can easily overtake?! a top car is one that will adapt (the best) to ALL circuits...and so far, Ferroro has done a good job.

The more tracks suited to a driver and especially a car's strengths the likelier they are to win the title. The Mercedes is the fastest and most powerful car on the grid. This is a widely known fact. Its thanks to a consistent driver like Vettel that Ferrari is able to compete

MrBrownJay1:
you are again focussing on qualis as if they do matter?! Alonso is a weak qualifier but do great during the races (when driving a proper car), and as much as the Vet can only win when in pole, its the true GREATS that can come from behind and win through skills and driving abilities. but here is a simple clue: if a driver has a faster lapping car, yet CANNOT overtake slower cars, then i am sorry to say that he is rubbish.

Is this a joke? How can qualifying not matter when you possess the fastest car on the grid? Pole position on average gives you a 70% shot at winning a race. Even Alonso can only do so much when the gulf in class is bleeding obvious. Vettel has only had pole twice but already has 4 wins. Hamilton 8 poles and 6 wins despite driving the fastest car on the grid!!! Alonso can never do better than what Vettel is doing so far. Even when Vettel did not drive a car at Juggernaut level like Hamilton's Merc he failed to win the title. Give Vettel the Mercedes give Hamilton the Ferrari. Vettel would lead by 50points
I rest my case

Ersan:
LOL! All I can say is I'm disappointed in you, seems you also have your head up Currys as- like everyone else here.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpaty9VujYk

Few analysts name KD ahead of kawhi to begin with, I'd like to see just one who rates curry. I'm not denying he's top 5 but that's a better debate than saying he's better than kawhi. The basketball gods should smack your tongue before you finish that statement.

Keep quiet my friend! Kawhi were wo? Do you watch these games or allow fugazy analysts with a cult following decide for you. Stop arguing like a sheep! Watch games and stop bandying opinions of analysts like gospel every time. KD and Steph Curry are better than Kawhi and no lunatic analyst with a podcast or YouTube channel can change that fact! Wake me up when Kawhi leads his teams to NBA Finals and drops historic seasons like Steph did. Kawhi ko Kamoru ni

Ersan:
D Rose is also playing with a ball dominant forward in Melo. Every argument you made for Kyrie goes both ways.

I don't see a clear winner in this debate though. This is where subjectivity comes to play and clearly you're not inclined to hear roses side of the argument.

Ball dominant as a scorer not a passer! Melo is not relied upon to create. Completely different scenario.

MrBrownJay1:
yes, just like Raikkonen who also had 2 DNF and therefore would have been closer to the top as well (with his slower car).

and you are also forgetting that Raikkonen, even finished 2nd behind the Vet in Hungary AND Monaco (both in front of the Mercs), yet you are here saying that the Ferrari is slower than the Mercs?! haba! so you mean to say that the Ferrari is a slower car but manage to have BOTH their "slow" car in front of the Merc?! that is far fetched!



bro, during the Belgian GP, even though Ham won the races, the Vet had the fastest lap and broke the circuit record.



So you mean to say that Raikkonen is a great driver and it is solely down to his skills (since they have a slower car) that they had a Ferrari 1-2, ahead of the Mercs, TWICE this year?!



are you claiming that the Vet is a better driver than Ham?! come on bro, let us not mix lemon with oranges.... Ham is one of the greatest out there today, and there is NO question about it (his records are a testament to that) ... as for the Vet?!?!?!?! he hasnt been able to prove ANYTHING since leaving RBR... so far he is a failure now that he doesnt have a car that is way faster than everyone else on the grid.

the reality is that the Ferrari car is better/faster this year, but without a Ham or Alonso driving it, they will remain second best to the Mercs. lol!

- Kimi with no race wins and about 5 podium finishes vs Bottas who has actually won 2 races. You are reaching bruh
- Yes. Hungary and Monaco. Two tracks notorious for their lack of room for overtaking. Chale fear God nau!! Any car that has a bad day in qualifying knows they have no prayer in Monaco even my late grandma knew this. Out of 13 races you can only point out to 2. That says it all really
- Uncle Brownjay explain how the Faster Ferrari finished half a second per lap slower than the 'slower' Merc
- Fastest Lap out of how many laps in a race? This your argument adim weak oo
- They had a Ferrari 1-2 in relatively slow tracks. You be veteran for this Formula 1 thing nau why you dey argue like rookie based on bad belle? Its amusing that out of 13 races you can only point to 2. - Vettel is the better driver. This season confirms what I knew a long time ago. The Mercedes is the faster car. Its due to the ability of Seb that we even have a race. In 13 races Sebastian Vettel would not have just 2 poles with a car as fast as Hamilton's. This is the simple truth. My argument stands! Give Hamilton that Ferrari and put Vettel in the Merc. Vettel would be 50points ahead.. FACT

Ersan:
Curry has two MVP awards.

Durant has one.

Kobe has one.

Is he better than them?

You lot here just love engaging in the most ridiculous arguments And frankly I don't even know why I indulge you when it's very clear you don't know what you're saying.

Only an ignorant foool will claim curry is better than kawhi. Blasphemy! Kawhi is the second best or at worst 3rd best player in the league, there was recently a very strong debate whether curry is in the top 5. These are established facts.

Good on you preserving your IQ "points" in single digits.

Kawhi better than Steph? In what planet? You people should stop with that Molly Percocet abuse. Abeg who are the dangbana people questioning if Steph is a top 5 player? I don't get the disrespect for Steph. Is it because he is light skinned and makes the game easier than it looks

SIRcumalot:
ha! the age old reason for why any score first guard doesn't pass the ball,his teammates are never good enough. we know guards that are inclined to share the ball, Rose and Kyrie no join,but one is more wiling to pass on some possession.


"Seriously,he gets point for trying to be his own man"
that was in my post,me admitting that he made a nice move,with some calculated risk,don't know what bron fan view point gats do with saying the truth.

But it's not a lie nau. In Kyrie's early years his supporting cast was crap. Abi you wan deny? Kyrie Irving is not a ball hog and besides you are never going to get the best of Kyrie Irving the passer when he is playing with Lebron who also thinks he's a Point Guard. Back to the Rose and Kyrie debate all I know is that in 2017 Kyrie is the better passer

SIRcumalot:
Am going off his best years in Chicago. injuries can't take that.

If you don't flex those passing muscles early,atrophy go set in. Kyrie never acted like he wan pass before.

Stupidity they pass for courage sometimes. Seriously,he gets point for trying to be his own man.I wish him well,just not too well.

I no say Black Mamba low-key influence his decision.
Snakes they cast the league.

I wonder how Kyrie's numbers were supposed to be high playing with Dion Waiters, Dellavedova etc compared to Derrick Rose on a vastly better team. Kyrie is a capable passer of the rock. And at the moment he is definitely better than Rose, if you can step out of your Bron fan viewpoint for a second you would agree that Kyrie was very smart! It would have been phoolish for him to wait for an older Lebron to decide his future for him. He took a grown man step

Omo we no Left back ooh! Alaba out for at least a month

Melvyn11:
I thought Thiago is an undisputed starter at Bayern.

You are right under Carlo he probably is

MrBrownJay1:
- if that Merc or Bottas was indeed faster then both Merc drivers would be at the top of the championship...
- if that Ferrari was indeed slower, then Raikonen wouldnt be in the top 5 fastest lap of every race... and 5th in the championship (unless he suddenly became a great driver)
- if that Ferrari wasnt faster, they wouldnt have countless of races winning the fastest lap of the race (even breaking lap record in Belgium)....thinking that its the Vet's skills that gets him there is a joke....come on!

- You are forgetting Bottas had a DNF which means he would have been much closer to the top 2.
- This is tales by moonlight because at the last race we saw the Mercs running half a second faster than their closest rival. PER LAP!! Do you think the Vettelmeister with equal or superior machinery would only manage 2 poles in 13 starts? Don't make me cry plix.
- Raikkonen is a legit driver so I don't know what you are on about. He would definitely run circles around Bottas armed with a similar car. He won a race with a Lotus FFS
- It's testament to Vettel's ability that he led for this long. Put Vettel in the Mercedes and Hamilton in the Ferrari and Vettel will be 50points ahead.. You and I know this is a fact that can be taken to the bank

SIRcumalot:
Rose is basically kyrie just can't shoot as well;less handles;not as athletic (still looks good) but a better passer.
we probably don't have to change too much.

never called kyrie a bum, how can I?
my main gripe with this his new career move aside from the obvious is that,it is a bit too late to become the type of player he wants to be.
the only time I ever called kyrie better than Curry was to needle the curry lovers,using kyries ROY as the reason he better pass curry.

Rose a better passer than Kyrie? I don't know about that one. Too late at 25? I commend Kyrie for his willingness to step out of Bron's shadow. That is a very ballsy move! He could have chosen just to be an exceptional sidekick but imagine if he goes head to head with his old teammate and slays the dragon! Just think of the lane he would have created for himself in the pantheon of NBA greats. I salute Kyrie

Ersan:
You do realize the incongruity of your statement right? which one am i? am i giving him too much credit or am i calling him a bum?

LOL! Starting from 04/05, all of lebrons numbers are just as good if not better than that. You sleep on the fact that lebron does historic sh it on the regular.

I am saying he gets too much credit!! There is this mind numbing propensity of Bron fans to downplay the contributions of everyone else even at the expense of contradicting previous held opinions. A lot of people who swore Kyrie was better than Steph (A two time league MVP) suddenly argue he is a meh player just because he demanded a trade.


That was the only unanimous MVP vote in NBA history. You cannot name 1 year LeBron did
that shooting at over 50% and leading the league in scoring and steals.

MrBrownJay1:
Vettel is a rubbish driver, and we saw that when he couldnt even overtake Hamilton, while driving a FASTER CAR...what kind of useless driver is that? and you want us to believe he is a "great" driver?! haba!!! let us be realistic here... Alonso in that Ferrari car would have won the race, Hamilton too. its only the Vet that is shaking in his boots when it matters. come on!

it is well known that the Mercs are fast, thus any "good" driver would manage to be in front, but it takes GREATNESS to constantly win and be in front (which Bottas has failed to do) but Ferraris have a better car now thast why they have been challenging Merc since last year, yet we can clearly see that even with that, the Vet cant cope.

isnt it obvious that he aint got what it takes to be call great?!

i will forgive you for what you said about el rey Alonso.... lol!

A faster car? Are you joking? Spa and Monza are pretty much Merc tracks. I had marked those tracks for Ham way before race day. Both races were Ham's to lose!! We have seen Ham and Alonso bungle races with faster cars especially Hamilton so I won't delve too deep into that. The Ferrari is a good but not a great car! It is due to the excellence of Vettel that people are expecting more from a car that wasn't supposed to challenge this year.. Again remind me how many times have the Ferrari's made pole? For the first time in 4 years we are seeing a non Merc compete. Give credit where its due. That Bottas is in the title race just goes to show how far ahead the Mercs are from the rest

NFL in a bit.. Very optimistic about the chances of the mighty Steelers. Martavis is back! Still praying they cut that bum Sammie Coates but landing Joe Haden was real savvy! Pats vs Chiefs tonight!

Ersan:
And you think that because you hate him too much and refuse to give him the credit he deserves.

LOL! Kyrie is a very good player, almost as good as curry but not better than. Curry is still the most overrated mvp ever though, bare facts. I remember when some im.beciles tried to compare him to the king. LOL!

And there lies the problem. Y'all give him too much credit. We had quite a lot of Cavs fans propagating Kyrie being better than Steph but he's become a bum now. Lmao! Anyway I digress. Curry's numbers were historic! No phuckin
with that. Pick a year any year of Bron's MVP campaigns and tell me which one beat Steph's 2015/2016 performance. I'll wait

MrBrownJay1:
bwaaaah see these guys oh!!!! my prediction of years ago are falling on y'all these days ooooooo... see how your wonder kid, now driving for Ferrari, with a fantastic car, cant even handle Ham, bwaaaaah!

where is A40 sef?! are you not the guys that said Vettel was a true champ...where is he now?! see how Ham has been creeping back to championship lead. isaid it before, and i will say it again, VETTEL IS NOT A TOP DRIVER, he is simply lucky to drive a fast car... even kids like Verstappen or Stroll could drive just as good. i wonder what excuse you will give us this year when he fails to win anything again.

there are only two legend on the grid... Alonso and Ham, the rest are just second class.

now, sadly, Alonso has been through a lot of shiiit lately with Mc Laren (makes me dread to watch the races), and if he doesnt get a good car to drive next year, i will tear my F1 membership for good, lol!

Lmaoo you are a very funny guy. Welcome back bro! Anyway there is nothing new about your anti-Vettelmeister propaganda. Contrarily though Vettel has proven all naysayers wrong. In the last 4 years Sebastian Vettel is the only driver that is competing with a car historically faster than the rest of the competition. If the Ferrari is so fantastic then tell us why Kimi Raikkonen has been unable to compete. Even Valtteri goddamn Bottas a complete nonentity prior to this year is now a title contender same way Rosberg was in the previous years. Put Vettel in that Merc and we both know the Championship race would have been out of sight!! If Vettel wins the title this year then he would go down as arguably the Greatest of all time because he would have beaten not 1 but two extraordinarily fast cars. Alonso is now irrelevant bruh! Nobody got time for him rn

SIRcumalot:
I don dey reason say bron not only came back to win a ring for the land but also to fork Gilbert out of his money because of that "letter".

Just saw on twitter that IT is looking for new representation we all know where this is going.

Lol Gilbert for sell that team last year when them win that Championship. The wahala too much

rotimi9:
Thoughts

One of A or D. Winning that chip at the first try would open things up for Golden State's finest just like it did with the Heatles. Last season was still stop and go and I feel these guys can still turn it up a notch as they get used to themselves more

No need. Del Potro don do am. *doing the gaga shuffle*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxTU_pANdhA

Decale:
Vamosss

I need a Federer-Nadal matchup. Nadal needs to beat that wankër of a GOAT this time in straight sets. Anything less is unacceptable

Amen to that

Neymar1095:
South American qualifiers are always
brutal and difficult

Tbh every team has 40-50% shot at qualifying. The games are competitive but these are the best odds you can get anywhere

Messi struggling with farmers from Venezuela. Jesu oh

jstbeinhonest:
The Crux Of The Matter Is If Chile Is A Poverty Team Or Not.

Firstly Lemme Ask, Is Portugal With Your Ororo Of Mandela A Poverty Team?

Technically Chile is a poverty team. Na una boy team give them relevance make we no lie. Portugal is not a poverty team but they are certainly not in Argentina's league. My point is Messi had no business losing to this poverty Chile squad two finals in a row

jstbeinhonest:
YES



What Does That Have To Do With Anything.

Good! Tell us what Portugal won and how many finals Portugal got to before Ororo of Madeira came along? I would list Argentina's achievements. Deal?

jstbeinhonest:
Could Ronaldo ? You Call Chile A Poverty Team? Okay

Are you seriously comparing Portugal to Argentina? What was the history of Portugal in International football before Ronaldo came along?