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nairamaniac:
Let me summarise my answer to this post.

Truly pop is an innovator. But I prefare Kerr's level of innovation to pop.
Pop is like cruff, While Kerr is like Guadiola.
Its only natural for pop to have influence more coaches than Kerr. Cos pop has been there for 20. While Kerr has been there for 2years.
And mind u, Kerr's kind of offence is bubbling under in places below NBA levels.
Have you heard the way high schools are shooting threes like crazy in the u.s these days? We WD be decieving ourselves to soley credit curry for that.

The warriors and Kerr are the reason most teams in the NBA are shooting more threes these days. Including my cavs, even if they may not admit it.
Meaning kerr's already influencing an entire generation and the rest of league.

Finally, something else I have against pop is his influence on TIM Duncan's career. I actually felt he should have done more with Duncan than he did.
What the hell is one-mvp for a player of Duncan's caliber? We all know how Duncan came into the league. Duncan WD have easily been 1st pick and ROY ahead of Iverson if he had entered for the 96draft.
But after like 10years into his career, pop was only saving him for playoffs, hereby killing his potentials and historical-stats. Meanwyl, he was the star player for most of those years.

About 2014 finals, that's an argument for another day. There were 3 hall of famers that finals. But me thinks they were already fagged out from making the last 3 finals before that one. That wasn't the same miami heat we had seen the last two final-series prior to this one they list to spurs.


Conclusion: pop started it well. But Kerr added a lot to it to make it more beautiful.

Pop-frequent playoffs appearance.
Kerr-frequent finals appearance.

You have to realize that without a Cruyff there is no Pep to begin with. Barca owe their existence to him. Pep simply improved what was on ground.

I'm saying Kerr did not even start this 3-Ball movement. Didn't you see Nash's Suns? He only perfected it. And that process is relatively smoother when you have two of the best shooters in the game. Ever

I don't know what else you wanted out of Duncan with 5 Rings, 2 League MVPs, 3 Final MVPs. The playoffs are what matters and Duncan was not even the type to put individual accomplishment over titles

That Heat were younger and played in a weaker conference. Compared to the older Spurs in the West.

Spurs starting V that year
Parker
Green
Leonard (3rd year)
Duncan
Diaw

Kerr can never beat the Heat with that roster. This is someone that needed his film guy to make adjustments to beat a Cavs team missing two of their Big 3.

If not for Kobe and the Lakers we are talking 7 rings for Pop, maybe more

Eruditor:
The reality is Spurs had dominated Heats in that series until the final miracle shots of Tony Allen. In game 6, the organisers had been shown already setting up the post game ceremony because everyone thought Spurs had them in Texas but it wasn't to be. I cannot take anything from Pop but I can categorically say more people expected Spurs to win Heats in game 6 than they expected GSW to beat Cavs in game 5 (Bogut and Green out). Maybe I am just nitpicking but that's a fact. Also recall 2000, 2004, 2006, 2015 are some of the years pundits expected Spurs to repeat as champs but they flailed and failed. I remember Memphis sweeping them at some point. Coaches can make mistakes.

Game 6 was in Miami. It was a 2-3-2 format. The Heat had home court so last 2 games were on their floor.

Everybody expected Golden state to win 1 game at least to seal the deal. With home advantage. Remember also that even the year Golden State won it was without Kyrie and Love. Still it took a film guy for Kerr to know he needed to make adjustments after Game 3.

In 2000 and 2004 who stopped them? Shaq and Kobe's Lakers not some moi moi team. If not for Pop that Laker team was doing a 4peat easily. Scratch 2015 too. Duncan Ginobili ought to have retired after revenging against the Heat. They were ooold bruh

If you claim Pop is better than Phil sef I might disagree but I no go argue with you. Its an insult on Pop's personality to dey compare am with Steve Kerr. Sir Popovich na him dem suppose to call am abeg. Let's give credit where its due

nairamaniac:
Against Warriors you just can't tell which player is coming off screens to take the shot.
I think he's a genius.


Even if pop is 1st, I don't think he's that far ahead of Steve. We respect pop due to logivity and having the longest playoffs-streak.
But can we call pop an innovator like Phil Jackson, or Steve or d'antonini?
One thing I had against pop was using several seasons to win a particular championship.

Pop could rebuild the spurs for years towards winning one title. Then stay average/competitive for years, then resurface again to compete for the title.

Kerr's style and innovations to the game would always keep his team as title contenders more consistently than pop did for spurs.

Shuuuu. Ogini na fio? Chale are you serious ni or is this just bants? Even the Kerr una dey praise was under whose tutelage?

Do you know how many head coaches Pop has influenced? Even Phil Jackson does not come close. You need to follow the evolution of the Spurs from bruising gritty and grimy days of the Twin Towers, where they would just pound teams to oblivion to the days of Tony Parker, Ginobili where they played with finesse and continental flair. To the 2014 Final where they produced the most dominant display in history against 3 HOFers

Pop is the Innovator. Oludasile. And the reason International players are thriving in the league. Even this Golden State ball movement pattern na him start am

He won 4 titles from 99-2007. Has never missed the playoffs or done less than 50 wins in a full season. Without ever having the absolute best player in the league. Which dominance pass that one

Eruditor:
Mehn, I was equally disappointed at the capitulation but it will be lazy to place everything on the coach. Pop also capitulated against a Miami team in 2013 but his response in 2014 was the highlight of the whole seeming debacle and eventual success.

Baba capitulation get levels oh. You no fit compare that Spurs own at all. The Spurs had 2 road games leading 3-2. The Warriors led 3-1 with 2 home games to play. And the Spurs were a much older team

Decale:
You are mixing quality and competition. How many teams in the West compete for playoff spots every season? Usually 9, sometimes the 8 teams have been decided. In the East, it's different; right now, from 5th to 11 is being separated by 2.5 games. The 8th position is a battlefield.

The quality of a conference just puts the top teams against each other. We already know they're top 7 or top 8. The competition just sets everything crazily different. The 5th placed Pacers may drop to 9th with 4 straight losses. Cavs and Raptors make that conference seem one ticket but other teams bring the energy.

Saying Warriors not sure of making the finals has to do with the other teams quality. Now ask yourself this OKC is 100% sure of playoffs even in 7th but can you say the same for Bulls in same 7th?

If Butler and Wade are healthy the Bulls would make the playoffs

The Kings are in 8th place in the West. Can you categorically say they would make the playoffs

fcb.de/BadstuberLoan

Off to Schalke. Goodluck Holger.

raumdeuter:
Thats why its hilarious see ibime who just a few weeks ago was an awards whooree is now asking what Iniesta did to be getting nominated. While he was asking us to inquire from 200 coaches and captains who voted Terry but forgot to ask the over 200 coaches and captains who keep voting Iniesta

Ibime is a bleeping disgrace like Drogba said

Very confused individual. One day he would see the light

SIRcumalot:
WHen was the last time a player who played
in EPL from Jan to December made FIFpro?
Maybe they will now tell us awads dont
matter

you forget this place.

Lmaoo. People all over the webspace are now questioning the authenticity of these awards. This is what we were telling Apoche cra cra, Rotundus Rotundata and other individual award lovers that these awards are dodgy and often lack merit

Ibime Rotundus is now asking how Iniesta take make list. Confusion

bykebyke:
Dani Alves makes the FIFPro World XI for the 6th time, Lahm made it twice.

No need for long story just show Dani Alves own

Kicker: Jerome Boateng will be out until the beginning of March, which means he will miss the 2 legs against Arsenal in the CL

Decale:
Teams from 3 - 15 are.

The games aren't linear. Upsets are more prevalent in the conference. The last playoff spot is always a battle between 4 or 5 teams with .50 records or more.

And every single season, they have too many team changes for the playoffs. Today, it's the Bulls qualifying. Next season, they're 10th while Nets, Pistons or Wizards rise.

The West just remains fairly constant. Major changes no go pass 1/2 teams or the standings.

Say what? Besides the Heat which other playoff team from last season can you categorically say is out of contention in the East? From the West just look at the likes of the Jazz and Rockets and see the kind of improvements they made with a few lowkey additions. Look at Dallas on the other hand languishing at the bottom

You talk about upsets. When was the last time an #8 seed beat a #1 seed in the East. Its happened twice in the West between 2007-2016. You think Lebron would smell 6 straight Finals in the West?

Even now you are not 100% sure the Warriors would get to the Finals but we know even without Kyrie and Love the Cavs don enter Finals

Jackson lacked the X and O's and offensive chops to take the Warriors from good to great. That I think is or was his issue. He laid the foundation for the Warriors though. Make no mistake about that. The culture and expectation of winning was Jackson. What Kerr did do was help the team reach its potential offensively. I don't think that is debatable. Is he 2nd after Pop? I am not sure. I haven't seen enough to make that conclusion. And he has openly said he can't coach a terrible team so it is quite clear he is always going to need stars to function

Decale:
With due respect, the East is more competitive than the West. Think of it as the premier league

The West is the la liga. One conference has more quality, the other unpredictable.

What is unpredictable about the East?

raumdeuter:
Thiago injured. Na so e dey start

https://fcbayern.com/en/news/2017/01/thiago-suffers-muscle-injury

Just have to hope he is back in time for Arsenal. He and Kimmich have been our best mids this season

Davidbanky:
Boa Baba !

I hope say Apoche cra crash never go pokun so oh. After all the energy he has wasted on his campaign of calumny na so the recognition dey flow like River Limpopo

You guys need to make the CL next season so we can start making instalments of the beatings we owe you and Inter Milan

Nihilist:
It's going down here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z63cQKWlDgQ

Eruditor:
It is out of place if it is to a minnow like the Grizzlies, at Oracle and after having led from first quarter to third by as much as 19 points to a team that had beat them before. It is absolutely atrocious and I am furious.

The Grizzlies aren't minnows bro

In the final two minutes of the 4th and overtime this season of a 5-point game,
Durant is now 0-12 in
isolation, two points off free throws.

Unbelievable.

Lol 13pts in the 4th at home. Its all mental because I don't see how a team this talented keeps freezing in the 4th. Why is Durant so terrible at closing games? It doesn't make no sense

Badstuber off to Man City

Hahahaha. The picture that broke Nairaland

chic2pimp:
Yh I got my dates mixed up. He signed for Milan in 92 not 93. Not surprising though since his time at Milan was nothing to write home about.

They were but Marseille were like the Bayern of their era. They can beat any team on their day. 2CL finals(winning one and being quite unlucky in the other) is no joke.

That is not the point braah, no one said Marseille were minnows. My point is you took their Best player (Papin) and weakened them so whether he flopped at Milan is immaterial.

Milan were the best team in Europe that year and their core were the last team to conquer Europe back to back.

chic2pimp:
IFHSS award Ba? Chilavert a keeper better known for his scoring prowess than He is for his keeper abilities won that award too.

As I said earlier, Barthez is a good goalkeeper nothing special. In decades to come when people are talking about France's golden generation, His name would be way down on the list.

I'm not understanding your argument at all. Are you claiming Chilavert was not a great goalie?

I have rolled out Barthez's numbers, awards and titles which nobody can argue with. Ofe l'ohun and perception would never change actual events that took place on the pitch. He is the Greatest keeper France ever had

Barthez would go down as a great

SIRcumalot:
one or even two great defensive player(cp3) can't get you great defensive rating your team must have a great defensive scheme in place.
so far,jordan has made all nba first team defense twice now.
why the clippers defensive rating goes up without him is a mystery,maybe opposing team just make threes and drive less.

Guy are you his agent? I brought an article that broke down everything and you are still arguing.

DeAndre made all-NBA First team last season yet I can name 5 centers better than him easily. We have seen instances where the D.P.O.Y didn't even make all defense first team. These awards are not consistent and this is what I always tell you people

How can a so-called defensive anchor's team actually defend better in his absence

Barthez even made PFA Team of the Year which means at a point he was the best keeper in England

chic2pimp:
When was Barthez ever rated as ths best in the world?

If Barthez had Casilas as a rival during France's era of dominance, His butt would have been glued to the bench too. So Valdes gets a pass there. Also When people talk about France's Golden Generation, hardly does anyone mention Barthez which tells me all there is to know.

Year 2000. No French goal keeper has achieved this feat.

I don't hang my hat on ifs and buts. If Buffon was Spanish maybe Casillas never gets a chance to show his skills. If Canizares does not slash his feet with a shaving bottle no Casillas. If Adler doesn't get hurt maybe we don't have Neuer today. Ain't nobody got time for that. Valdes gets no pass

Barthez won the best keeper at a WC, Owns a WC clean sheet record, has been rated as the best keeper in the world in a non WC year and made the All Star teams at the WC and Euros. If people are not talking about Barthez that's their problem not his

chic2pimp:
Marseille had a solid team that year abeg. You sef just mentioned Papin. You could have inserted the name Valdes into that line up and Marseille would not have missed a beat. Victor "The 3 Time CL Champs Omo oro" Valdes

Lmaooooo I go craze oh. Papin played for Milan gee. Shey na burukutu dey worry you ni?

Il grande Milan of that year were the Barca/Real Madrid of now not Marseille. So that your analogy kolewerk

afrodoc2:
That clean sheet had a lot to do also with the Marseille defence of big head Basile Boli and Marcel Desailly with Deschamps shielding them, not mainly Barthez.
Barthez was a talented shot stopper yes, but he was not Oliver Khan's mate.
Don't let your previous arguments and theories of greatness rope you into a corner

This is such a Captain Obvious statement to make. Is it beans for a rookie goalie to keep a clean sheet in a CL Final against the best team in Europe? He was faultless and was a key cog in that lineup.

Secondly. What are my theories of greatness? Which one did Barthez not meet? The list of people wey don try and fail to rope me for corner is quite long.

The Kahn and Barthez argument is moot. But was Barthez amongst the finest keepers of his generation. Hell yeah. The awards and trophies highlight this lucidly

chic2pimp:
He has nothing to prove to one which is fine but He needs to maintain this level of performance if He wants his name to be mentioned in the same breath as Terry's.

I'm telling you those performances were grossly overrated. John Racist is the most overrated defender in the history of Association football. Boateng does not have to kick another ball to be compared to that great English hype product

Cheii. How can you even compare? Is it cos they rhyme? Like Valdes, Barthez