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nateevs: There's nothing to admit. If you like, invent sh1t from now till tomorrow. I stand by my statements. If Chelsea had played to the strengths of Torres, he would have achieved more success. There's no way for you to know if I would not have said anything on Ba has Torres scored a brace yesterday, so you cannot prove I am lying. I don' have time for childish discussions.

See this maalu! When Torres was scoring despite the team not playing to Torres's 'strengths' it was because he had regained his confidence. The goals have dried up you have gone back to the same old excuse. Pathetic

You have a proven record of shifting sides on issues at the drop of a dime. You would not have said $hit on Ba

nateevs: I repeat. There is a difference between a good footballer and a good striker. Drogba's technique till he left Chelsea was average. I was constantly criticised on here for having the nerve to say it. It was the truth and even Ibime agreed with me. I pasted numerous times on here how many times Drogba lost the ball, pass completion rate and possession stats. however, as a striker (the dude who puts the ball in the net), he was unrivalled.

Ba at his peak could not shine Torres's boots at his peak!! Torres was a good footballer and a good striker. Torres has been a flop at Chelsea but comparing their achievements overall you would be suffering from river blindness to do that

nateevs: Torres was exactly the same, his touch has failed him many many times before. If you disagree go watch videos of Torres. What Torres had on his side in 2008 was that he was 23 and had amazing acceleration from rest which allowed him to recover quickly. Demba on the other hand, irrespective of his previous status, has better technique of keeping the ball in his stride. This is the difference I am making. ABILITY vs OUTPUT. Simple grammar homie.

Hahahaha in your desperate bid to win an argument you keep sinking deeper into the morass. Not even the hardest Torres hater would question Torres's first touch,control,technique and ability. How would he have made the Spanish Natl team with even an average first touch. Ba to Torres?? If Ba was always better than Torres like you claimed why is he just joining his first big club at almost 28? Is this nigga serious sef. You mean the same Torres that onc
e finished as the 3rd best player on the planet. Why is everyone on Torres's case? Isn't it because yall expected so much better

nateevs: Ok. So now it's about my sitting on the fence. No longer about me switching sides. Have we dropped that now? Oh thank God.

Ohh my goodness what a simpleton! Are u ret@rded or sumn? You sat on the fence on Ba and you have switched sides since! Should Torres get back to scoring I won't be suprised to see you jocking him again. Na ur way

nateevs: If I choose to flip flop like Busta bust, then that's my opinion.

Flip on flipper

nateevs: Phocking shameless ninjah. Your stance was clear about what Ba will turn out to be if played on the wings. Very different about your stance on Ba if/when played in the centre which is the bone of contention. No, you did not give an opinion on Ba's potential success in the lone role so stop the lying.

If Ba doesn't play on the flanks where would he play? Goalkeeper? Defender? Central midfield? I even mentioned Torres abi who is Ba in direct competition with for a position on the team
Smh @ this special needs child

nateevs: If anything, just like me you were sitting on the fence and there's nothing to justify you weren't. In fact, you asked me what if Ba ends up worse than Torres? Was that another stance?

Now you are just all over the place jumping like a cat on a hot tin roof (copyright Debosky 2013)
Anyone with an IQ higher than zero can read my post and deduce whose side of the debate I was on before the game. You on the other hand went from may the better striker start to Demba Ba has always had a higher footballing ability,technique and instinct on the back of one game. So I ask you again Who switched sides or did you just realize this on Saturday?

Dude is a warrior tho. I wish he was 100

nateevs: Hehehehe. Your initial point is fading even more and more. I am surprised you haven't mentioned it in your last 3 posts. "CONFESSION". Now you've moved on to "MOTIVE". I will indulge you once more. If Torres had scored a brace yesterday, I would have said the exact same thing.

Looool my point fading? This ninja must be having a laugh! I said from the get go that I don't expect you to admit that perhaps Torres has been a wasteman all along. Your eulogy on Ba is the closest to admission and I'm satisfied with that
If Torres had scored a brace yesterday you wouldn't
say $hit on Ba so stop lying through your teeth

nateevs: I don't know if it's your inability to see being a good footballer and being a good striker as two different things or you are just being deliberately stooopid. I have defended Torres endlessly on this forum, I have never called Torres a tremendous footballer. Two different arguments. ABILITY vs OUTPUT.

Nigga hush!! On a very good day and prior to Torres's failure at Chelsea who in his right mind would have compared Ba to Torres either as a footballer or as a striker! Is this nigga raving mad?? Ba vs Torres would you have had the boldness to compare both on this forum before he joined Chelsea! The mere fact that a player like Ba who can't even be ranked among the top 20 strikers in Europe is viewed as a better player/striker than Torres does that not say it all? Isn't that the point I have been trying to stress to a simple minded fella like you

nateevs: It's one game. Just one game against a very weak side and has no single bearing on what may or may not be. That's why I am allowed to speculate. You think I am stupid enough to go out on a limb and say Demba WILL DEFINITELY become the better striker when I have said all along that we don't create enough chances? No. That's why I said, may the better striker hold the spot and even after a game, I am still speculating. All very consistent. However, you are looking for an argument when there isn't one.

nateevs: Simple. Demba Ba is an all-round better footballer than Torres is. Also, he has a better instinct for goals than Torres does.
And I never said the midfield does not create chances, I said they create only few chances.

You call this speculation?? Hahahahaha

nateevs: In one sentence, you were convinced about Ba's ability before coming to Chelsea. In another you are asking what if he turns out worse than Torres? Yet in the same vein, trying to score points by claiming that I sat on the fence even when you are sitting on the fence just in case it goes sour.

[quote author=A-40]I hope Benitez does not make the fatal mistake of accommodating and pandering to Torres's fragile ego by playing Ba on the flanks as that would most likely be a lose-lose situation[/quote]This was my statement after Ba's signing Does it sound like someone sitting on the fence? You think everyone is a fence sitting shape shifting ninja like you. If Ba ends up a flop like Torres I would admit rather than manufacture every excuse under the sun and flippin mode like Bussa Buss

nateevs: It's been a week since the Demba link, you didn't claim Demba will out-score Torres. No one said anything before the game. He scored 2 goals and now you claim you have been convinced about his abilities. If he didn't score 2 goals yesterday, would you have said the same? So what if he turns out worse than Torres? What abilities would you have been convinced about? Does this sound familiar?

Look at this spin doctor!! Unlike you I was not sitting on the fence saying may the better striker get the spot!! My stand was clear from day 1. So kill that foolishness

nateevs: Who gives a phock if you don't believe me. Na you dey pay for my internet connection? Abi I come to post here for you?
And just like I stated previously, unless you can find a piece where I stated that "DEMBA WILL OUTSCORE TORRES", all this bandwagon, shape-shifting, switching sides megede fegede is at it's very best childish talk bereft of any iota of intelligence.

You just dey box yourself inside corner. "Demba will outscore Torres" was not the argument simp

RG3 making a ninja look bad lol

Well the ride continues for Ray Lewis they face the Broncos next

Redskins vs Seahawks: Interesting matchup in my eyes. Seahawks are average on the road but the Redskins have a generous defense! Would easily have lost to the Cowboys last week if not for Romo being Romo. We also don't know the state of RG3's knees. So he might have to throw the ball with ball hawks like Sherman lurking that's not a good look. I think the Seahawks D would be too strong for the Redskins and they would advance to face the Falcons. Becoming the only road team to win on wildcard weekend

nateevs: Ah! Suddenly time has shown up for you from nowhere.

Suckas need to be schooled

nateevs: Lemme indulge your dull arse once more. May the better striker hold the spot. . . i.e. The guy who succeeds putting the ball more times. Shikena.

Sharrap you shape-shifter!! Had Torres started and scored a brace yesterday would you have typed what you typed yesterday?

nateevs: The second point was PURE SPECULATION. Talk about technique and footballing ability is how I perceive either footballer's chances of succeeding in the role when weighed against the way Chelsea plays. For as many times as I SPECULATED, I used the phrase "IS LIKELY TO". Bottom line, SPECULATION.

Speculation?? Lol what a shameless shape-shifting nigga!! How can it count as speculation after you have actually seen Demba Ba perform
in Chelsea colors. Had you said this prior to the games maybe you would have had more credibility. So what happens if Demba Ba winds up worse than Torres what would you wind up saying?

nateevs: But you have an insatiable desire to come up tops on this one, you cannot decipher the meaning of speculation. In your fantasy world, you seem to believe this is me saying Demba is better than Torres or as you put it "NATEEVS SWITCHING SIDES". How you come to this conclusion beats my imagination.

Desire to come up tops?? Lmao! Most of us where convinced of Ba's ability prior to coming to Chelsea. You on the other hand sat on the fence

nateevs: ----------------------------------------------------------------

To answer your question,

Would I have picked Ba AS A STRIKER - the guy who puts the ball in the back of the net more often - over Torres in 2011?. . . NO!
Would I have picked Ba as a better footballer than Torres as at Jan 2011?. . .. YES!


How simple is this?

Hehehe we don't believe you you need more people!

In your desperation to make up for your past gaffes you have quickly jumped on the Ba Ba-ndwagon claiming you have been following him since Creation.

nateevs: Hehehehe. You don't have time to trade grammar with me. When you were quoting my post when I was long gone, you didn't remember. Now you are out of time.

Of course you are a well known obfuscator extraordinaire

nateevs: It's not what you quoted. It's if it makes any sort of sense and more importantly, if it's in line with the lies your fantasies. As it seems to all and sundry, your agenda is built on loose soil and evidenced by how your posts are getting shorter. I know that this is in the admission that you cannot prove any 180-degree turn.

Lol who dey fantasize?? Hehehehe you went from may the 'better striker' win to Demba Ba has higher footballing ability and technique than Torres! In 24 hours! My question was has it been so from the get go? Or did that come to pass during Torres's stay at Chelsea. I also asked if you where to pick between Ba and Torres as at January 2011 who would you pick you didn't kuku answer
You didn't start purring about Ba till yesterday after he scored so no right thinking nucca should take your analysis serious. Emphasis on @nal

nateevs: Neither can you prove your claims of me switching sides. After reading my last post, if you insist that this is the case, then you way less intelligent than I give you credit for.

What am I supposed to do with your credit? You can shove it up your a$$ for all I care

Colts vs Ravens: Pretty interesting matchup. You have a team that's feeding of the Pagano factor plus he was at the Ravens 2 seasons ago so he would know a secret or two. Still I think Andrew Luck has been a bit lucky for most parts of the season. I'd pick the Ravens cos they are home and have way more experience. Andrew Luck being the cheerful giver he is I don't see Ed Reed not making a pick or two

nateevs: Homie your desperation to be right is now clouding your ability to understand simple statements. The better striker irrespective of who joggles the ball better is the guy who puts the ball in the back of the net. I cannot understand how you cannot see that differently from me speculating that because of Demba's ability and better control, he is likely to fit into the Chelsea better than Torres has done. Why? Because Chelsea as yet, don't play to Torres' strengths.

It beats my imagination that you cannot see straight away that it is not an admission of who is a better striker. I'm shocked at how you cannot understand that the premise of my post is about Demba's "POTENTIAL SUCCESS IN A CHELSEA SHIRT". Pure speculation, founded by what I see in his ability and of course, his recent form. You are running around like a headless chicken trying to cook up ideas.

You've gone from me confessing, to implicitly confessing, to me not admitting Torres is a dud, to me being silly thinking Torres can score 25 goals, now to me switching sides even when I just stated that Torres "CAN STILL" score 25 goals. I have to make all this explanation because you either missed or didn't understand the use of the phrase "DEMBA's LIKELY TO". Everything I wrote about Ba, I carefully dropped the phrase, He is likely to.


I understand that you have to win, hence your desperation. However, unless you can find me a piece where I confirmed the DEMBA WILL DEFINITELY SUCCEED WHERE TORRES HAS NOT, I suggest you should back off and quit inventing stuff.

Hehehehe unlike Ibime I don't have time to trade grammar with you. I have quoted your posts within 24 hours of each other and your 180 degree turn is clear for even Stevie Wonder to see

Nateevs at his shape-shifting best! This was Nateevs 48 hours ago

nateevs: Welcome Demba. For me, no 4-4-2. That's just straight up suicidal. We haven't got the personnel to execute it even if we wanted to. Demba or Torres. That's the way it's got to be. May the better striker hold down the spot.

Less than 24 hours ago. After Ba's brace

nateevs: Unfortunately, Torres does not have the inherent footballing ability and technique on the level on Berbatov or Demba to wiggle out of tight spaces.

Demba possesses brilliant tecnique And as Chelsea still build up slowly and allow opposition to sit back, it is likely to suit Demba more. This is why you will find Demba inside the box most times - poacher style and Torres outside of it. Torres tries to find space for himself but we don't play to his strengths.

For the reason of our style of play, is why I concede that Demba is likely to score more goals than Torres. I stand by my comments and will never depart from it.

Lololol

nateevs: Then that means you and I are imagining different things. Maybe you should go back and watch a few videos of his. You are either one of those who underrate those who play for small teams or you never really watch Demba before now. Plus there's no need for an escape route as what I am saying is pretty clear. Inherent technique and footballing ability. I have maintained this. However, you are fun of inventing things.

No mate. I watched Ba closely at WestHam and at Newcastle. Ba stopped scoring 2nd half of last season because Cisse arrived and Ba played on the wings. This season, Cisse stopped scoring because Ba returned to the centre and Cisse to the wings. I have been watching them both and I can tell you a lot about them. Cos Ba came to Chelsea does not mean some have not been monitoring him.


As to your second point, I just laugh. The same guy who accuses me of being a Torres lover is the same guy accusing me of switching sides to Ba after two goals.
Confusion.

Ninja was sitting on the fence from the get go. A Ba brace and Nateevs is purring endlessly after 1 game. Shape-shifting at its peak

[quote author=الملكي فوق الله]Torres is a closet queen

And Torres Goal Scoring Dayz are Long over Brah
[/quote]Don't get it twisted I'm actually convinced he is a flop for Chelsea. I'm only suprised about Nateevs 180 degrees turn

Lol some of the worst QB play I have ever seen in my life from Joe Webb and Andy Dalton. In both games there really wasn't any 'wow' moment

Webb was throwing bounce passes like Ricky Rubio

nateevs: Torres has got no strengths to play to right? Okay. I hear you. I will not continue to argue mate. Like I said in the past, you know my position and I know yours. I will not accept yours and I won't force mine on you.

Of all those abilities I listed which of them has not seen diminishing returns over the last 2 seasons?

nateevs: Then that means you and I are imagining different things. Maybe you should go back and watch a few videos of his. You are either one of those who underrate those who play for small teams or you never really watch Demba before now. Plus there's no need for an escape route as what I am saying is pretty clear. Inherent technique and footballing ability. I have maintained this. However, you are fun of inventing things.

Iya o ki n se omi obe oh! Torres see your life. Ninjas are already claiming Demba Ba has a better technique than you.
Hehehe so Nateevs is fronting like a Demba Ba expert ol boy no use laff kill me.
No one rated Ba prior to last season!! He was just your average African striker prior to last season
(Ya Konan,Moussa Sow et al)
Chei so Nateevs as at January 2011 when you guys signed Torres if you where to pick between Torres and Ba would you have chose Ba?

nateevs: No mate. I watched Ba closely at WestHam and at Newcastle. Ba stopped scoring 2nd half of last season because Cisse arrived and Ba played on the wings. This season, Cisse stopped scoring because Ba returned to the centre and Cisse to the wings. I have been watching them both and I can tell you a lot about them. Cos Ba came to Chelsea does not mean some have not been monitoring him.

Ninja please very soon you would tell us you watched him at Hoffenheim. What you typed above is common knowledge! Hehe you want to tell me about Ba and Cisse. I'm very sure you where not following them in Germany so I doubt there is anything you can tell me about them that I don't already know

nateevs: Hehehehe. Siddon there dey look. Torres has scored 14 goals this season already. 11 more to 25. Dey there dey talk.
As to your second point, I just laugh. The same guy who accuses me of being a Torres lover is the same guy accusing me of switching sides to Ba after two goals.
Confusion.

13! Abi u dey count community shield? Just 7 in the league! How pathetic! 7 goals in 21 games
Who is confused? Me or you? This is the shape shifting Ibime is always talking about. Switching sides on issues to be on the right side of an argument!
Why didn't you come out with the Demba Ba is better than Torres statement prior to the game that woulda given you more credibility. Not too long ago you where hailing the Torres renaissance and claiming Papi had his swagger back! Less than 2 games in and you are already jocking Ba

Roland17: I categorize Webb and Ponder as same, ponder does not throw the ball too well either, they depend on that running game with AP.

Naah this guy is worse than Ponder. Hardly his fault as he has had no snaps prior to the game but still really poor throwing

This Webb guy is just a horrible thrower! Goodness!

Cobb,Jennings,Jones,Nelson too many weapons! Rodgers given a pocket the size of Russia. The Vikes might as well not come out for the 2nd half. Packers get the ball at the start of the 2nd sef lol

Seems they've also figured AP out. And in Webb you have a QB that can't throw the ball at all

Lol Webb ought to know better than trying to throw the ball. Just hand it to AP #KnowYourRole

[quote author=الملكي فوق الله]Yeah, That's Gonna Be a Good Game

I hope my man Arodg doesn't stink it up.

AP is physically as of right now..just "Physically" the strongest Looking Running Back I've Ever Seen.

His Body is Immortal Right Now.

Put him back in a time machine, in Jim Brown's era, with his current physicality and conditioning and he would rush for 500 yards a game [/quote]Rodgers should torch the Vikes D on a good day. Problem is the Packers are powerless against AP's running game which would also give Aaron Rodgers less time on the field

Can't wait for Rodgers and AP!

Two shitty QB's can't believe we lost to these damn Bengals at Heinz Field

Lol @ Schaub!! Running the ball is his only hope for this game! Just give it to Foster and quit playing hero ball

nateevs: Maybe I need to explain to you. Every striker has their style in front goal. Its been overstated even on these threads. Torres plays in between the lines and relies heavily on quick breaks and through passes to be effective. Chelsea don't play the way Torres needs to score. Chelsea have very slow build up which means that more often than not opposition teams will sit back and soak up pressure.

Strikers can adapt!!! Did you see Falcao in his early days at Porto? All he did was knock in tap-ins! These days he even scores free-kicks! Torres does not even possess the attributes that helped him in the past at least not on a consistent basis. Acceleration gone,strength gone,first touch gone,decision making gone! Torres has no strengths to play to

nateevs: Unfortunately, Torres does not have the inherent footballing ability and technique on the level on Berbatov or Demba to wiggle out of tight spaces.

Is this guy serious?? Are you comparing Ba to Torres in the tekkers department? Even putting him in the same bracket with Berbatov? Haha mogbe! Lemme even give you an escape route. Are you saying Ba always had the superior footballing ability and technique
Demba Ba has a higher ability to wiggle out of tight spaces?? Since when? Hehehe orishirishi

nateevs: Demba possesses brilliant tecnique And as Chelsea still build up slowly and allow opposition to sit back, it is likely to suit Demba more. This is why you will find Demba inside the box most times - poacher style and Torres outside of it. Torres tries to find space for himself but we don't play to his strengths.

Are you saying this because Ba scored twice today? Did you say this when Torres was on a mini run? What happened to the confidence and other megedefegede you where chatting
And by the way Ba is not the classic poacher/fox in the box
The difference between Ba and Torres is not far-fetched one has improved the other has regressed!

nateevs: For the reason of our style of play, is why I concede that Demba is likely to score more goals than Torres. I stand by my comments and will never depart from it. Torres is at the very least a 25 goals-a-season striker if employed effectively. Therefore, this not an admittance that Torres is a dud. Far from it mate. This is an admittance of the individual's inherent footballing ability and how it may enhance or impede their chances in a Chelsea shirt. Simple.

25 goals! This present Torres? Aww stop it man you are killing me
Lol Ba has not played two games and you have switched sides already! I kinda hope Ba goes on a dry run I wonder what you would say then

Ibime: Make una leave this yarns.

Peep this stat attack:

In 18 months, Mata has copped 25 goals and 36 assists. That's a clinical ninja for you!

Lol Mata is like Chris Paul! MVP type numbers there!
Ba scores a deuce on his debut while Torres waits for 14 games to open his account

Its very interesting to actually see Nateevs concede Ba is the better player already. Should Ba go on a drought and Torres (sic) goes on a purple patch I wonder if he would change his stance again!

Torres has fallen from FIF Pro XI status to comparisons with Demba Ba which no disrespect to him but he isn't among the top 20 strikers in Europe. If that's not subtly admitting Torres has been a wasteman for Chelsea I don't know what is

nateevs: I am sorry. If it takes moving to an elite league or a bigger club for you to know whose all-round inherent ability and technique is better then I cannot help you. 3 seasons ago, I would have said the exact same. Just like I said the exact same about Drogba's technique even when he was one of the most feared strikers in the world.

Visit Ibime's history for extensive explanation.

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Now you are claiming that I am implicitly confessing.

Hahahaha stop it son! Your example doesn't fly here! First of all who was Demba Ba before coming to Newcastle? Lol I never saw you give Ba any props before his breakout season. How can you come out and even claim such? prior to Torres stinking up the joint since getting to Chelsea would you have compared him to Ba on any scale??
I'm saying for the mere fact that a Demba Ba can even be mentioned in the same breath shows how far Torres's stock has fallen. And you say you are not implicitly confessing Torres has been a dud! So what are you now saying?

nateevs: Mate, it didn't take Demba coming to Chelsea for anyone to know he's outscored Torres inside 3 seasons.
It also does not take Demba coming to Chelsea to know that Demba's touch and movement with the ball is better than Torres'.
Just like Berbatov's all-round technique is better than Torres'.

These facts are in public domain and as such there's nothing to "admit" or "confess".
Therefore I am still confused about the confession.

The fact that a previous crock who was an unknown commodity before coming to the PL is being adjudged as better than Torres the same Torres that was one of the most feared strikers in football not too many moons ago. And by the way how did we come up with this deduction that Ba is a better all round striker/player than Torres! Could you have said this 2-3 seasons ago? Is it not their recent performances that made you admit this much?
Abeggi you don't need to say it ho-ha. I won't expect you to wholly say Torres is a dud

nateevs: There's nothing to get straight. You claim I am confessing. I ask how and you are asking more questions. How am I confessing?

Hehehehe admitting Ba is better than Torres is probably as much confession of Torres's dudship as we can possibly get from you. Its a step in the right direction

nateevs: How? In what way have I done that?

Ok lemme get this straight. You still insist Torres is not a dud and the team is not doing enough or playing to Torres's 'strength's' or that his confidence has gone AWOL again??

nateevs: What exactly do you mean by this?

That maybe just maybe Torres is a dud and the problem has been with him like we opined all along

nateevs: So far, we've created only 3 chances for Ba. United would have created about 10.

Ohh brother! 10 chances why not 1000. Ninja please John Stockton wouldn't assist Torres

nateevs: Simple. Demba Ba is an all-round better footballer than Torres is. Also, he has a better instinct for goals than Torres does.
And I never said the midfield does not create chances, I said they create only few chances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sy19X0xxrM

Slowly but surely una don dey jewo

bennyraz: [size=13pt]I just hope Torres Bench will have seat belt... We don't want benitez to start playing the Nationality CARD [/size]

Hehehe mogbe!!

Barring injuries I can bet Ba would outscore Torres (forget about the goals he scored for Newcastle) despite an almost 30 game head start

I'm no psychic but I see a lot of bench riding in Fernando Torres's future

Hehehe no time for sere kambia! Baba don score already

Lol the kind of stuff you would expect from The Sun

Hmm I have the Bengals beating the Texans. Don't see them mustering enough offense to get the job done

Vikings vs Packers. The Vikings just might pull of a suprise but at Lambeau field in the outdoors and with Cobb back they just have too much firepower in my eyes. Packers should win