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excelsiorfarm:
Thanks bro, the goldmine that you people are enjoying. Those gushing ponds that you once shown in the swamp is missing from this list sir, the natural aerating and free flowing ponds you displayed sometime ago, where the water was coming from pipes,God bless.

That's another farm. I will sure post that when next I visit the place.

The third pics

Second pics

excelsiorfarm:
quite a while,lets have some pictures from ogun axis,especially those spring ponds,thanks

Here you go

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Ifedayour007:
Which of the starter please? Top feed? Vital? Or any?

Top feed is fine

Ifedayour007:
@ab1x thanks for sharing this. Please which of the broiler starter(product) you use? And please how authentic is this formula, cause someone is about to start using it. Plz reply. Thanks.

Use the starter.

Ttalk:
Oga Ab1x, your final feed for weigh gain always contain broiler starter, since broiler starter is majorly made up of soybean and corn, what is the essence of broiler starter since your formula has certain percentage of soybean and corn?.
Why not just increase the percentage of these feedstuff and to save cost?

I would have advise people to opt for broiler finisher to reduce cost and to increase weight but on a second thought the broiler starter has more fish meal which hitherto will boast the feeding habit, weight and acceptability of the feed.

remros2:
are u saying salt can't be used when fishes are less than 8weeks? Also what's the quantity applicable in a plastic tank?

You can use salt to treat fish at any age but you have to be careful about the quantity of salt to use in treating them and that solely depends on the size of the pond.

remros2:
sir AB1X, what about the indomie in ur formula 2? Is it the packet one, or industrial waste too.

industrial waste

I bought it for my wife and it did not work.

olorunosebilae:
@oga abix pls why is full fat soya so important in your formula cos soya meal is cheaper

I posted toasted soya not soya meal and it is quite cheaper. Also, when quoting me, the ID is ab1x so that I will be able to reply on time.

bily:
Ok, please do tell Sir, is there any reason why I should accept animal care analysis and not Nigerian institute for fresh water fisheries research?

Thanks for the report. The analysis shows that fish meal has 72% crude protein while Clupeid fish meal has 70.6% crude protein. My take is that farmers can combine the two to get better result or better still combine fish meal 72% with local fish (Eja Gbigbe) to reduce the cost of feed production

bily:
Most Nigerians do not listen/read to understand, rather they listen/read to respond.

I never said clupeid is better or Superior to 72% crude protein, I said it can totally replace 72% without any difference in final output.

The point is considering the price difference viz a viz the negligible difference in outcome, it makes more business sense to use clupeid to maximize profit.

If you also read my previous submission, you would see when I mentioned I too was always of the opinion of its 72% fish meal or nothing else, especially considering I tried the imported 65% fish meal about 8 or 9years ago and did not like it, even the fishes did not respond to it well. But I can tell you clupeid is way better than the old 65% fish meal and I was suprised at the result, that's what even led me to do a search more info on it. like they say necessity is the mother of invention.

Some are forced to reduce quantity of fish meal cos of price and supplement with soya meal, you even mentioned you reduced from 40kg to 30kg. Now imagine if you used clupeid of 40kg, you may actually get better result especially given the fact that research shows they are comparable in final output.

I would appreciate if you can point me to where you you saw 52 and 60% crude protein for clupeid cos I see 68.5% and 71.3%

I think the major purpose of this thread is for sharing and ultimately a community where fish farmers will come together with the ultimate goal of maximizing profit. No one is forcing anything on anybody.

If I have not used something, I will say so, I mentioned garlic as attractant,but I stated I had not used it.

Anybody can come online to write whatever they like. Like I said earlier, if you want to determine the crude protein in it then you should check with animal care. A while ago, a feedmill in my location did an analysis of clupied and the result shows that crude protein is less than the fish meal. It is not as if fish will not grow if you use it but for better result you should go for fish meal. There are many ways to reduce cost but that is not the subject of the matter on ground

bily:
So you are the only one in the field and the only person that knows what's up. Congrats.

It is cos of arguments like this, that prompted the research. I will check, cos I believe I also saw same research done here in Nigeria by institute of marine research and oceanography. There's no end to knowledge and we keep learning everyday. I'm sure those that took the time out to do the research know the difference between real and fake fish meal.

Keep using your imported fish meal, this revelation does not take anything away from your success.. . Just trying to update the house on new info I came across.

I doubt if you've used both. Let me remind you that fish meal 72% current price is #850 per KG and Clupeidae current price is #550 per KG. There are two types of Clupeidae. One is white and the other one is gold. The gold type is better than the white. White has about 52% crude protein while the gold is around 60/62. Like I said earlier and I will say it again, fish meal 72% is better than Clupeidae anytime, any day. Unless of course if you buy fake fish meal and there is a lot of it in the market. If Clupeidae is better than fish meal, a lot of people will go for it as a cheap alternative instead of buying imported products.

bily:
What's the difference between 71.3% and 72%?
Unfortunately I don't know where I kept the research document, I'm sure anyone can google it.

In some cases, clupeid performed better and vice versa. Point is the difference is negligible.

This is not about something wrong with clupeid or not, nor is it about complementing fish meal.. . it's about replacing imported fish meal 100% without any difference in output.

When you talk of soya or chicken intestine etc, that's when you talk of complementing fish meal.

The only issue wet may have with clupeid is that they are 2 major strains in Nigeria, one with 71. 33% and the other with 69% crude protein. But even the 72% imported fish meal is +or-. Analysis may actually give you about 70% give or take.

As per coke and pepsie, all na sugarsugar difference Na marketing and brand/mind share. Non is actually better then the other

No everything you read on the internet you should believe. I am in the field and I know whats up. You can't compare 72% fishmeal with clupeid Unless if the fish meal is fake.

Ttalk:
Pls how can it be administer. At what percentage to 100kg. Do you suggest that it should be mix with other ingredient before pelletising?

1kg should be added on 100kg

bily:
You can replace the imported fish meal 100% with clupeid fish (I think it's Yoruba call it yoyo)

I read a scientific research comparing 72% imported fish meal from Holland to local clupeid, conclusion, no difference.

So don't waste your money please. Will find a link to the research and post.

I used to believe solely in imported 72%,but the high cost and research changed my mind

There is nothing wrong with clupeid fish. Alot of people use it to compliment fishmeal in their feed composition. It is protein level is not upto 72% (check with animal care). It is not as if you will not get result using that but you can't compare coke with pepsi ( with due respect to pepsi)

Ttalk:
My Boss, i respect your contribution and your formula that i've been using is doing wonder. The only different is that i replaced foreign fishmeal with clupeid [yoyo]and the result have been tremendous. However, i think it can be better with foreign fishmeal that is why i wanted to give it a try but the cost of foreign fishmeal has not been encouraging.

Having said that, am prepare to revert to my old formula but to add addictive to the formula to enhance the acceptability.

What are those proven formulated addictive one can buy and mix to the composition of the feed apart from natural fish oil. Where can one get those addictive in Nigeria market.

The only proven addictive to the existing formular is to include Broiler Vitamins (B Vit). It works like wonder and it will make ur fish to be more and grow speedily

cleavon:
@ab1x. Please I am about starting my fish farm but I don't have the general knowledge of the feed management and feed plan. Please can you give ur contact so that we chat about it on whatsapp. Please, my num is 08065493409

My whatsapp ‪+234 701 744 7613‬

Teepompey:
My main boss @ ab1x, its been quite a while! Hope u're good? Kindly update us with d new change in formula or reduction made due to increment in fishmeal. Thanks in anticipation sir.

I usually make use of 40% fishmeal as a starter before the increase but I have changed to 30%. Again, any subsequent feeds after the starter, I use 50KG fishmeal on 300KG but i ensure there is enough toasted soya

Ttalk:
I just asked a friend the price of imported fish meal 72% protein and he said 50kg goes for 41,000 meaning 820naira per kg. What is your take in the use of foreign fishmeal in feed composition. Ab1x, excellesoir, Soft777, Nuvembarz, Robonski, Ayosat and my respected gurus please come and do justice to this pressing question

The current price is 850 naira per KG in my area. Even at that, I still use the fish meal to make my feed, the only thing is that I reduced the %. There is no way you will want result without using the imported fish meal.

aquadude15:
sir can you link me to an expert that can drill the borehole

Call Alabi 08133313479

Ttalk:
Please where is Mr Ab1x, we have missed your contributions on this forum.
I remember you talked about industrial borehole that uses less or no power to pump, please kindly explain how it work or the number of the drilling industry for contact

Before it can work, you need to get borehole expert to determine the formation of the land. You don't need submersible pump machine before it works. After drilling, the water will come out naturally from the borehole, you only need pipe to channel the water into the pond.


I follow the thread bumper to bumper. Just that I am very busy with other day to day activities.

baddoskyy

seskee:
Hallo haus and all d gurus pls i need ur urgent advice. Is it advisable to get water supply for my earthern pond from tanker (whether fetched from borehole or river) as i m currently having water issues at d farm and need to change water urgently. Pls assist.

Also is it advisable to mix multivitamins with d fish feed, if yes pls which one do i use and how do i mix it wit d feed.

@robonski
@Soft777
@ab1x
@chilanfarms

How many tankers do you want to buy? Try to source water from the stream if there is one around. Try and mix Broiler Vitamins with your feed. It is very good

It is high time this administration move on instead of apportioning blame on the last administration. They already know what the situation of the country is before winning the election.

so true...