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joey150:
I didnt find swift key fantastic....what did i miss?

Sane with me. I don't know why that keyboard gets high rating. Swiftley lags like crayze. I use high end phones that don't lag, but once I start using swiftkey it lags and not able to keep up with my typing speed. Overrated rubbish keyboard. Google keyboard way better for me. And now I just installed chroomer keyboard which is way better

gustav25:
Bro you should understand that all those your points are valid but the factor behind it is simply apple is good like any other os but it gets lots of hype because of the situation of the US in world affairs ......it is seen as a status symbol at least in Nigeria here ....I would still take a sony,lg or Samsung oled smart TV over apple TV ....ask your self why the apple TV is not selling well then you will understand .....
Xiaomi outgrew other competitors because it is homegrown in China like apple in USA and lg in Korea ....each of these oiems have different markets

Ummm. Which Apple TV are u talking about? The one that has not been released? Or are u talking about the Apple TV streaming box? Dude Apple have not released their television set. Also xiaomi sells most of their phones in China while apple sells their phones allover the world, not just the USA. Xioami is up there because China has a population of over 1 billion , that is about 4 times more than the population of USA. Even at that the biggest phone manufacturer is still Samsung, followed by Apple. U need to have in mind that Samsung is the biggest manufacturer because they also sell low end cheap phones while Apple makes only premium phones. This is why Apple still makes more money than Samsung even though Samsung sells more phones.

For Apple to even be in top 5 in China says a lot, why is xioami or hauwei not in the top 5 phone manufacturers in the USA ? In USA iPhone is the best selling phone followed by Samsung. In Europe the most popular smartphone is Samsung galaxy s6 followed by iPhone 6s, where is xioami or hauwei?

Nsonaso:
This is your statement "On paper android is the clear winner, but it is not so in real world. This is where I respect Apple for creating an os that is well optimized and runs perfectly with lilimited power"

I now tell you that, the reason why apps runs faster on iOS is not because of iOS optimization....(So no need to say you rep apple cos is not Apple that did the work. the people that actually did the work is app developers that optimize their apps to work flawlessly with iOS)

All those apps you see on iOS except the basic apps are not developed by Apple it is third party app developers that developed it.

..... App developers are different from OS developer.

OS developers are:
1. Apple the developer of iOS for iPhone/iPad/iPod and Mac OSx for Apple PC
2. Google the developer of Android OS for Android phone/Tablet and Chrome OS for PC
3. Microsoft the developer of Windows OS for PC and Windows OS for phone/Tablet
..... Though Microsoft all developer apps (software) e.g Microsoft Office etc and Google also develope apps like Chrome browser etc to name a few....

While
App developers are independent thirty part (could be individual or corporate) people like you and me who develops app (software) that runs on different platform of their choice.. This is not Apple but a company on it's own

So when I made an example that OPERA MINI on iOS is better than Opera mini on other platforms, it was not Apple that developed opera mini for iOS

Really? Seriously? Oh i forgot I'm a noob and I don't known the difference between OEM and 3rd party app developers. Apps made for phones depend on the architecture of the OS and how OEMS want the app to look and run. If u look at Apple's default apps for the I phones, they follow a particular trend, hey are high quality apps which is what 3rd party developers follow to make apps for Iphones. For example the clock app, the music app, contacts, messaging, etc. There is a high level of consistency. This is what Google is trying to do with android by introducing material design and u can see that lots of 3rd party developers are now updating their apps to material design. Google even introduced bouncer to delete any app that is not built up to standard... This has been on iOS for a long time.

I have used different phones than I can remember, all high end. It took android up to 2015 to eradicate lag on their high end phones... I'm not even talking about mid range here. Galaxy s5, note 4, LG g3, HTC one m8 even the nexus 6 all lag after a few months of usage, whearas lag is very very minimal on the iPhone. I used an iPhone 5s (2013 flagship) for 8 months and I never experienced any lag. My lg g3 was a lag magnet. As much as I love that phone, I can't deny I hated the terrible lag and performance issues it gave me. But I must confess the lag has disappeared after I updated to marshmallow recently. My galaxy s6 does not lag and I've tried a few 2015 high end android phones and I can tell u Google finally got rid of the lag but it took them 7 years to get it right.

Windows on the other hand have a terrible architecture , even some windows apps are ugly with their oversized icons that cover half of the screen in apps. Tell me how do u expect 3rd party developers to make solid apps when the OEM's guidelines are nothing to write home about. I have used a lumia 930 and had to sell it after 6 months to buy an lg g3. While I love the snoig performance of the OS, the architecture was not well built. I missed many notifications and the drop down quick toggle is limited to only a few toggles. Tell me how can developers make good apps for such is with bad architecture. Just look at how the twitter app looks on windows 10 mobile vs android.

mosjames:
But they are doing well in Africa and i think thats enough.

It is not enough. They sell cheap phones in Africa (not whole Africa but some parts) and the population of Africa is not even up to the population of china alone. The number of people that can afford a phone in Africa is not up to 1/3rd of the number of people that can afford to buy phones in china alone.

ollah1:
By your logic, Apple is the best in everything.

I didn't say that. But Apple put in s lot of work before releasing their products, they seldom release a half baked product. Apple don't have to release tons of products at once, they take their time to build 1 or 2 products of top quality and that is why they are where they are today. Its like they see the future. I remembered when they released the first iPod and they said it will kill the Walkman and discman, people laughed that how can a device without a disc drive sell... Now see the result.

ollah1:
Yes, what are their strengths?? Dxomark isn't jack of all trades like other tech sites. They talk mainly on their strengths

Cameras
Displays
Chipset

I will not argue with u on this. I never said iphones have the best camera, but their cameras are up there among the best.

ollah1:
I haven't seen windows 10 phone so I don't know about it. Bb10 is a very good os. It's very smooth and very sleek. BB made a phone on android cos that was the way out. They don't wanna pull a Nokia hence the move.

If all these platforms debuted almost the same time, don't u think it will be evenly shared market wise. And it would have been more fun and great rather than an Android and iOS thing which is already becoming boring

iOS is a basic OS. More like a launcher

U got to give it to Apple bro, no matter how much u try to counter. Apple did not make the first touchscreen phone, but the iPhone was the cornerstone of touchscreen smartphone which other OEMS try to beat. Apple did not make the first tablet, but when apple released the iPad in 2010, people laughed and said it is an overblown iPhone. But today the iPad is the tablet every other tablet try to beat. Whenever a new tablet is released, they compare it with an iPad and when people start comparing their products with a particular product, u know the initial product is doing something right. Apple did not create the first app store, but the apple appstore is the cornerstone of all appstores. What Apple did was make their own home made apps to be top quality thereby making it a cornerstone for all all developers. Microsoft also have some good apps like office, one note etc but lots of default apps in windows 10 mobile are still not up to par, so how do u expect developers to have interest when windows can't even make their own apps good.

Apple did not create the first streaming media, but when they released the Apple TV, every other streaming media companies had to buckle up. Apple did not make the first mp3 player but the iPod was a revolutionary product which killed most of the other mp3 players. Where is Sony Walkman today? It was murdered by the iPod.

There are lots of smart TV in the market today, but watch out when apple release their own smart TV then u will watch how every other TV makers will try to make the Apple TV a product to beat.

ollah1:
There are 4 different phones right before iphones 6s and iphones 6s position is also shared by 2 other phones. Regarding the test, some tech sites are compromised and will give you false reviews. Yes, that's the fact. But all thanks to this site which isn't compromised and would tell you exactly how it is.. their strength are cameras, displays and chipset. Not like other tech sites that just post news and general reviews

Dude CNET are one of the most trusted review sites.

ollah1:
Bro, relax ready and understand lines completely. I said Android and iOS dominates and it's all thanks to the apps . Now i will ask you these

When did bb10 debut?
When did Microsoft woke up from their slumber??

You as a developer have Ben making apps for the two dominating platforms and making cool cash. And all of a sudden two platforms debuted, would you start writing lines of codes for those platforms knowing fully well they don't have market share??

Why was MTN dominating the market till porting of number was made possible??

I get ur point. But Microsoft still haven't gotten it right even with windows 10 mobile. Just look at the OS, icons are too big and it is not attractive, if I'm a developer I won't bother making apps for it because only few people will buy the phones. So we are back to square one... The os is still not good enough and that is why it keeos losing market share and why developers ain't making apps for it.

Same thing with bb10. I mean if bb10 was that good BlackBerry wouldn't switch to android. I love bb10 but the ecosystem is not as sleek as android and iOS. Microsoft are just lazy , if they employ better engineers and work harder they will make windows 10 mobile great. If microsoft were apple do u think they would where they are today in time of mobile OS? Just admit it, Steve jobs did winders with iOS.

ollah1:
Camera is now subjective but it wasn't when u said iPhone 6 had better camera than most android phones..

SD810 hindered so many things, OEMS couldn't put some some certain things into their flagships cos of the heat shi. Back to the camera thing. Dxomark is the number one site that tests camera fully and they aren't comprised like some tech sites

Check attached
N.B Higher is better.

You would realise only 6s plus has a better camera, while iPhone 6 , 6s and 6 plus turned out same thing

Like I said, different websites have different views about camera. Testing a camera is dependent on lots of factors and only professionals can truly rate the best cameras. Even the website u showed me iPhone 6s plus is still no 3. I know iphones don't have the best cameras but whenever u call the top 5 camera phones, iphone 6s plus will be named. Samsung galaxy s6, s6 edge, note 5, nexus 6p, lg v10, iPhone 6s plus are among the best camera phones available right now. If u notice people don't even mention the blackberry priv even though it has an 18mp camera, that is to tell u specs is not everything, what matters is the software.

Oh, and yes iPhone 6 with 8mp camera takes better pictures than lots of higher mp android phones. Or do u wanna put techno L5 (13mp), infinix zero 2 (13mp) or even techno canon c8 against the iPhone 6 in terms of camera? Fear no dey catch u.

ollah1:
Dude pls just stop this talk, if you are a developer would you crack your brains to design apps for operating systems that doesn't have a market share??

Guy no be fight. So why do they not have a market share? In ur previous post u said apple has large market share because of apps apps apps. Now u are saying developers make apps for iOS and android because of their market share? Why are u contradicting urself? There must be a reason for that market share don't u think? The same reason that attracts developers to making apps for them.

BlackBerry for example have been available since 1998 that is 10 years older than android and 9 years older than iOS yet their market share is nothing to write home about.

ollah1:
You can confusing yourself. If it just works, then specs shouldn't be bumped up. Do u know iPhone 6 has better camera than iPhone 6s? Some android yes, the are gazillion android phones out there. IPhone 6s isn't even in the top 5 best camera phone.

Regarding performances, the problem of the M9 wasn't the ram but the chipset. Everybody but u knew SD810 was problematic hence ruining so many android phones last year. Only Samsung was diff but thanks to Sammy for not completing the job with the heavily skinned TW.

Nexus 6p also runs on snapdragon 810 and performance is not hindered. And yes I know snapdragon 810 has heating issues and that was why LG didn't bother using it in their LG v10. And like I said, it works, and when it doesn't work so much anymore bump up the specs when necessary , that is what Apple did with the iPhone 6s.

Now about camera, I didn't bother to mention that because it is subjective. Different reviewers with different views. But of all the reviewers, I rate CNET very highly and I think u will also agree with me. Now in CNET's rating for best camera phones, no 1 is LG v10 while iPhone 6s plus stays at number 2. Hey I thought u said that camera ain't good?

See link.

http://www.cnet.com/topics/phones/best-phones/camera/

Another website placed iPhone 6s plus as the best overall camera phone.

ollah1:
Nobody is disputing the fact that iOS is good but the only thing that give Apple an edge is still iOS.

Apps, apps and apps is the reason why Android and iOS dominates. Windows and BB10 are very powerful and great OS. Very smooth too

Good that u admit iOS is good , now we can shake hands. Just one question though, why do u think developers don't make apps for windows and blackberry. If BlackBerry is so good why are they switching entirely to android? Why is it difficult for Microsoft to figure out what is wrong with windows phones even though they have been in the business for so long?

ollah1:
I guess u should be the one to use common sense. Since the slogan "it just works" is what ifans says, specs shouldn't be bumped at all and like the topic "specs don't mean anything". They should have left it at 1GB and 8MP and do the optimizations

Lol. Yes it just works..more ram is added when needed, camera is improved when needed (even at that the 8mp of the iPhone 6 still takes better photos than 13mp of many android phones ). Android on the other hand just bump up specs just for bumping sake. At least u can see a huge performance difference between an iPhone 6s and an iPhone 6, but u can hardly see performance difference between an HTC one m9 and HTC one m8 even though the m9 has 3gb of ram and octacore vs quad core and 2gb of ram in the m8

ollah1:
Dude quit these so much work u have been shouting on every thread. The only device that runs iOS is iphone and to use it, u ve gotta pick up one

Dude if iOS is not so good trust me they wouldn't sell. Forget the fact that only iphones run iOS. How many devices run tizen? Why are Microsoft lumia windows phones not making wave allover the world? At least windows have come a long way. How many devices run on blackberry OS? So why is BlackBerry not in the top 10 selling brands? And how many devices ran on webOS before they died?

ollah1:
Op

If specs don't matter why

Did Apple bumped up the ram of iPhone 6s to 2GB?

Did Apple bumped up the camera of iPhone 6s from 8MP to 12MP and the front from 1.2MP to 5MP?

Did Apple tweaked it's chipset from Dual-core 1.4 GHz Typhoon to Dual-core 1.84 GHz Twister for (CPU) and
quad core graphics to six-core graphics for (GPU )?

Guy use ur common sense. Specs doesn't mean anything doesn't necessarily mean OEMS should release phones whom internals cannot handle tasks flawlessly. Apple know how to make the best out of their phones with less power, something android is lacking.

Nsonaso:
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Oops now I know you don't even own an iDevice.... So No need to argue with you again.

But For your information Opera Mini on iOS is well refined, play flash online, can be used to fill real-time online form with auto refresh etc.... Opera mini on iOS is better than opera mini in any other mobile platform I've ever used apart from Windows phone 8.1+ which I've not used. You can get your friends iPhone and install Opera mini and confirm it yourself.

And that proves my point that apps are more optimized by the app developer to run on iOS flawlessly than other platforms. And this is not Android OS fault but the app developers. believe it or not it's your choice

I don't argue based on what is on the net but based on personal experience

Dude do u just like to contradict urself ? Why was this thread created in the first place? To tell u that apps run better on iPhones with lower specs than android phones with monster specs. So thank u for letting me know opera mini is way better on iOS than androids (as if I don't already know).

Just like I said, I don't use opera mini because no matter how good it is, its still a mini designed to compress data. U can spend 10 times the data u use to open a page on opera mini if u open the same page on safari. Safari is a full blown browser. Ur argument was that iPhone 6s cannot open 25 pages on opera mini without refreshing, and I just showed u that it can open that amount of pages on safari without refreshing. Common sense should tell u that since it can do that with safari which is a heavier browser, then doing so on opera mini should be a piece of cake. Even phones with 1gb of ram can hold 20 pages on opera mini without problems. Now I don't know the purpose of ur argument because all u have done is prove me right. The main purpose of creating opera mini is to compress, compress and compress.

mosjames:
So those brands i just mention aint recognised. Cmon!

Boy do u know tecno have stopped selling their phones in china because they are not relevant? Now they release most of their phones for the African market. Google is ur friend.

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2sex:
bro, Please is there a way to know that? Tell me please.


But someone just told me now that he is experiencing same

Ur antivirus and windows are probably updating automatically. I experienced same in the past until I stopped my windows from automatically downloading update. If u are on windows 10, there's no way to stop the automatic update, but there's a walk around. Go to ur WiFi setting and make ur internet to be metered. Once u are on metered network, windows and antivirus will notify u that they cannot download update because u are on metered network. Problem solved.

Nsonaso:
1. Bro for the fact that every year or 2 Android device got new hardware update doesn't mean your old device isn't a feature proof.

Technology as a whole is like that or tell is there any year that Intel doesn't release an upgrade to its Core i5, i7 CPU series or is there any year that Apple doesn't release new update to it's Macbook series? Go to auto section etc

future proof: is when you can still run the same next 2 years OS version on your today device. E.g HTC Desire HD still get Android 5.1.1, 6.0 in the work

Simple thing that iOS device can't do because of RAM, open other apps too, open up to 25 pages in Opera mini, type something in 1, switch to another and type something else... Switch to the different pages and go back to the first page and see what you typed has been cleared. This is why you need more RAM

Android devices support backward compatibility I.e you can be on Android 6 today and tomorrow back to Android 4.2 if you so desire just like your Windows machine that you can be on Windows 10 today and go back to Windows Xp... That is where Android is focusing to make your Mobile device behave like PC.

About using Android for real productivity like editing stuffs...if the software is developed for it platform, Android devices will be capable to handle it to an extent with their hardware cos hardware are the first thing to consider in software development expecially the demanding types like that editing stuff.... Because hardware is more difficult to change than software which is just writing or editing of code...

Wait a minute, did u just say opera mini? Dude u count that as a browser? That sh*t is meant for broke ass people that want to manage their data. I don't even have opera mini on my phone because I hate how it compresses data, I like my web pages full with all the graphics available. Any mobile phone with even 512mb of ram can open up to 25 pages on opera mini without having to refresh because it is not power demanding. U want to talk about web pages multitasking, then let's talk safari on the iPhone 6s . IPhone 6s with 2gb of ram is more than capable of opening 25 pages on safari (full browser) without having to refresh. Just check the video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0-6ZaFZubQ

Mobile phones run on mobile OS, no matter the amount of power u pack in, it still won't do serious work like video editing and people change their phones after 1-3 years. With computers it is different. A company can run on the same computers for 7-10 years before they change them.. That is future proof. U can even build ur own computer to ur taste, if ur hardware becomes obsolete u can change s few hardware components , u can add more ram and graphic cards and ur computer will become as good as the latest. That android devices support backward compatibility has nothing to do with number of cores or amount of RAM. My ps4 is not backward compatible, so does that mean it is not as powerful as a ps2 or it doesn't have the hardware to run ps2 games? The answer is NO.

The MAJOR reason to add more power and rams to phones is to aid easy navigation, fast app opening, smooth multitasking and general smooth running of the OS, and maybe to run graphic demanding games smoother. IPhone 6s with 2gb if ram does this than most android phones with 4gb of ram. If u don't believe me then watch the video below between iPhone 6s plus with. 2gb of ram and dual core processor against one of androids powerhouse, the one and only Samsung galaxy note 5 with 4gb of ram and octacore processor. It is really a shame that an iPhone with lesser power can perform more than a powerhouse like galaxy note 5.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8pH8q5fAio

Nsonaso:
Android isn't that power hungry if you really understand the need for pushing more CPU core and RAM to machines be it phone, Tablet PC or full flag PC.

If you say Android is power hungry then it means Mac OS, Windows PC OS is also power hungry too.

Why manufacturer push more CPU core to Android powered devices is because Android is an open source (I.e open to unlimited possibilities, even Google themselves don't know the limit of Android OS).
So Android users tend to be using their Android devices to try out new things (complicated things) every day and to make Android device future prof, there's need to push more CPU core and RAM etc.

Unlike iOS devices, their users mostly use it for medias and games which are highly optimized for the platform... No complicated things. People who who try to do complicated things always see the other side of iOS and in order not to bring bad name to the reputation that Steve Jobs has suffered so much for, for so many years Apple will always try to block the loop hole....

There are lots of simple things I've done on my Android device but if I try it on iOS it fails.

The only problem that Android has is that their app developers doesn't optimize their apps.

I known the two platform..... So am not defending any just trying to prove a point.

I get ur point, I'm also an android power user and really I've not seen anything ancroid can do thatvios cannot do to be frank. Unless ur talking about things deliberately blocked by apple like drag and drop, Bluetooth file transfer, fast charging , etc. These things don't require high CPU or RAM. Iphones can do virtually everything through applications and that is why there are more accessories for iphones than there is for android.

U said android are designed to be future proof? That is just a phrase used to deceive us. An android phone u bought today will be obsolete in 2 yrs time because they would have released newer ones that double the CPU and RAM... So where is the 'future proof'? I have a galaxy note 5 and I know in 2 yrs time it will look obsolete to me and Samsung will not update it because by then they would focus on galaxy note 7, so what is future proof about it?

Yes android is power hungry because it is just a mobile OS. Mac and windows on the other hand are full fledged computers that are used not only for media consumption but media creation. Computers need as much power as they can to be productive. For example to do serious Photoshop or professional video editing, u need a machine with high CPU, GPU graphics and ram so that is why macs are designed to be powerful. U can't do these things on a mobile phone no matter the CPU and ram u cramp in.... So what's the point?

For all the powers packed in android phones, iphones still have more accessories and have been put to better use in different productive research's like medicine, construction, etc.

costandi:
The OS are different, use an identical OS on same fones and see the effect of the spec differences.

Of course they are different. Android needs more power to run as smooth as iOS. If u have a car with s v8 engine and 500hp and 0-100 in 6 seconds with top speed of 240km/hr, and I have a car of the same size with 4 cylinder engine and 200hp, 0-100 in same 6 seconds and same top speed, which one do u think is more efficient?

ishittu:
hmmm, but me like it like that o, speaker wont be making sense at that posisiton

U probably have not seen or played with HTC one (m7,m8, m9) or the Nexus 6. HTC one series have the best sound u can get on phones , thanks to the front firing stereo speakers.

Nsonaso:

You don't really know how it works or do you?

Apple has full and complete control over apps published on Apple App Store I.e since apple develope iOS to run on less powerful devices apple also force developer's to optimize their apps to run flawlessly on those devices as well.
Unlike Google that has minimal or less control over apps published on Google play store.... So anybody can publish un-optimized junk app to Google play store making app to run very slow on Android powered devices....

The Google device in the video (though I didn't watch it) was able to run fast enough because of it high CPU, if you should run those app on those outdated CPU, you will see how sluggish the app will run.... So it's actually not Android OS the causes the sluggish running of app on Android device but the developer who fail to optimize their apps, making Android device to use more resources to run an app.
.......

U just buttress my point that apps run flawlessly on less powerful ecosystem like IOS than on Android. This means Apple put in a lot to make it work that way. Android on the other hand is power hungry and requires high cpu and ram to make apps run as fast (not even as fast) as in IOS. The android phone in the video is a Google Nexus phone, that is supposed to be the benchmark of android phones.

Actually only Google apps run faster on Android, every other apps are more optimized on Iphones

fulfillbill:
It matters o...depends on what you intend to use it for...just like laptops and desktop computers, they all have their functions.

They are phones dude, not full fledged computers. Phones will always have limitations no matter the amount of power it packs.

Orator2383:
For what I know Huawei and xiaomi produce some of the very best androids phones in the world today. Samsung phones are unnecessary overpriced

Um... Huawei top end phones are not cheap either. The huawei mate s costs almost the same as galaxy s6. Galaxy s6 edge plus is more expensive of course because of the edge. And huawei mate 8 is also a very expensive phone. Premium products are not cheap in any part of the world. Problem is we Nigerians want quality for cheap, that is why those Chinese companies would rather sell their mid range phones here because they know people would run when they hear the prices of the high end ones.

joehis2013:
The OS software matters too

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say. Some people say Iphones are underpowered because they don't have 4gb of ram or because the most recent iPhone has only dual core processors while mid range android phones have octacore. I really don't see the need for Octacore processors on a mobile phone if the software is optimized. But whatever, if octacores or decacores and 4gb of ram is what is needed to get android phones to run smooth, then so be it. Every app an Octacore android can run, a dual core iPhone can run too and even faster and better.

chigoizie7:
Have u ever helped anyone only to end up in trouble? (Police case). Well, only when u must have experienced that, it is such a pathetic situation, but naija police caused it all. Not the young guys fault that he can't help.

I have seen someone help a pregnant woman into his car, on the way to the hospital the woman died. This guy spent 7 months in police cell for trying to be a good Samaritan. That is naija for u, do u think this young man would ever render help to anyone on the road again?

This goat is not dead na