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malvisguy212:
Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother
because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly
parents. Such an act of creation was necessary at the beginning of the
world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of
Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process
of procreation had long been in existence. Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of
procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might
thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held
a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this
miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other
prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely
close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

malvisguy212:
the quran called jesus the spirit Of God, now what's the difference between spirit of God, son of God and Lord?

Surah 4:171:
“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit from Him.”
The words used in Surah 4:171 are ruhun-minhu, “a Spirit from him.” Thus, the Qur’an clearly describes the human, Jesus, as a Spirit from God himself. With Jesus being the only exception, no humans are
ever depicted as such. However, no attempt is made to explain this
absolutely unique statement of belief in the Qur’an. Yet, the Qur’an
strongly supports the Christian belief that Jesus was a pre-existing
Spirit creature who took on a human form. Surah 4:171 presupposes that Jesus existed before he was conceived by a virgin-woman.

true2god:
Do you now accept that God is also called the father, using your quote as a reference? Do you now accept that Jesus called God his father, which is entirely against your quran?

Guy you need another reference to prove that Jesus is a muslim. Jesus, and all other biblical prophets, are all Jews. Judaism had been in existence thousands of years before Islam and 80% of the contents of your quran are lifted from the Judeo-christian scriptures.

major466:
Who told you those killed were muslims?

Blakjewelry:
I thought they are Muslims, them no dey do sallah

HolyHolla: Don't try to wriggle your way out. I was responding to your claim that; "Today it is acknowledged that no record exists of a worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the Bible. How did the author of the Qur’an avoid this mistake unless the author was God Himself?" To educate you, I had to post links and excerpts of several sources that had knowlege of the Flood of Noah well before Mohammed lived. So, don't insinuate that I said Mohammed's source was not the Bible. Mohammed, as I emphasised before, copied from Torah, Talmud, New Testament, Pseudo apocryphal, mythology and Gnostic books, and jumbled up everything to form a jejune religion.

I can see that you have absolutely nothing to offer me in terms of disseminating true knowlege of Islam, history, archeology or even current affairs. Why don't you just find someone who knows better to bail you out instead of resorting to blackmailing words?

Anyway, you have really tried, to have even lasted this long with me in dissipating your lackluster shenenigans. yazach even did better than you, but unfortunately, he's out cold now. Anyway, now that I see there's no knowlege to gain from you, I will bow out of the discussion unless you find someone who really knows what he or she is saying to engage me.

On a final note, asking me if the Bible is the word of God or not and who follows the Bible (which you claim to be full of falacies) more between Christians and Muslims is not lucriferous. I'll just tell you the answer, "Ask Allah... I'm HolyHolla, not holyallah". Ok?

So long, Buddy. Hit me when you get some proper education on these matters... probably in another 10 to 12 years, I guess.

HolyHolla: Interesting. So, the fact that the Bible did not give full detailed account of Noah's Flood means the story is corrupted. Let me hint you as to possible reason why there is no detailed account in the Bible, if it interests you so much to know... The Internet had not yet been invented for Live coverage of Breaking News by then. Who do we blame?

But if you want better enlightenment, Google epic and ancient stories about The Flood. Even the Chinese and Aztechs had their similar versions.

HolyHolla: "1. Take for example the story of the flood that occurred in
the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace. This
event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur’an. A
careful examination of the two versions will show that the
Qur’anic version could have come from no other source
but God alone?
"Today it is acknowledged that no record exists of a
worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the
Bible. How did the author of the Qur’an avoid this mistake
unless the author was God Himself?
"

Then, you never heard of the Gilgermish Epic. Google it.


"But was this a worldwide flood? After describing the
extent of the flood, Keller explains:
Looking at the map we should call it today ‘a local
occurrence’ (p. 28).
"In other words," writes Keller, that flood was "obviously
not of sufficient magnitude for the Biblical Flood" (p. 29).
Furthermore, he says: "A flood of the unimaginable extent
described in the Bible still remains ‘archaeologically not
demonstrated’" (pp. 29-30). [/b]"

Recent archeological findings show even the North American continent was not left out in the Flood. You are copying from outdated texts. Google it and upgrade your knowlege.

"In the Bible we are
told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when
they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his people
(see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that
description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in the
sea. [b]However, the Qur’an dared to differ and prove true. In
the Qur’an we find that God promised to preserve the body
of the Pharaoh as a sign for later generations (see Qur’an
10:90-92)."

What significance? Let the dead gods keep their dead. Who cares about the body of Pharaoh? Let the gods of Mohammed have it kept safe till Judgment Day.

HolyHolla: "1. Take for example the story of the flood that occurred in
the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace. This
event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur’an. A
careful examination of the two versions will show that the
Qur’anic version could have come from no other source
but God alone?
"Today it is acknowledged that no record exists of a
worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the
Bible. How did the author of the Qur’an avoid this mistake
unless the author was God Himself?
"

Then, you never heard of the Gilgermish Epic. Google it.


"But was this a worldwide flood? After describing the
extent of the flood, Keller explains:
Looking at the map we should call it today ‘a local
occurrence’ (p. 28).
"In other words," writes Keller, that flood was "obviously
not of sufficient magnitude for the Biblical Flood" (p. 29).
Furthermore, he says: "A flood of the unimaginable extent
described in the Bible still remains ‘archaeologically not
demonstrated’" (pp. 29-30). [/b]"

Recent archeological findings show even the North American continent was not left out in the Flood. You are copying from outdated texts. Google it and upgrade your knowlege.

"In the Bible we are
told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when
they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his people
(see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that
description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in the
sea. [b]However, the Qur’an dared to differ and prove true. In
the Qur’an we find that God promised to preserve the body
of the Pharaoh as a sign for later generations (see Qur’an
10:90-92)."

What significance? Let the dead gods keep their dead. Who cares about the body of Pharaoh? Let the gods of Mohammed have it kept safe till Judgment Day.

HolyHolla: "1. Take for example the story of the flood that occurred in
the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace. This
event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur’an. A
careful examination of the two versions will show that the
Qur’anic version could have come from no other source
but God alone?
"Today it is acknowledged that no record exists of a
worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the
Bible. How did the author of the Qur’an avoid this mistake
unless the author was God Himself?
"

Then, you never heard of the Gilgermish Epic. Google it.


"But was this a worldwide flood? After describing the
extent of the flood, Keller explains:
Looking at the map we should call it today ‘a local
occurrence’ (p. 28).
"In other words," writes Keller, that flood was "obviously
not of sufficient magnitude for the Biblical Flood" (p. 29).
Furthermore, he says: "A flood of the unimaginable extent
described in the Bible still remains ‘archaeologically not
demonstrated’" (pp. 29-30). [/b]"

Recent archeological findings show even the North American continent was not left out in the Flood. You are copying from outdated texts. Google it and upgrade your knowlege.

"In the Bible we are
told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when
they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his people
(see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that
description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in the
sea. [b]However, the Qur’an dared to differ and prove true. In
the Qur’an we find that God promised to preserve the body
of the Pharaoh as a sign for later generations (see Qur’an
10:90-92)."

What significance? Let the dead gods keep their dead. Who cares about the body of Pharaoh? Let the gods of Mohammed have it kept safe till Judgment Day.

mustang44: Islam is not the fastest growing religion in
the world. Islam is the religion of the
uncivilized third world where the birth rate
is high. In these same Countries, Muslims
are killed if they convert to Christianity.
The Islamic religion has a long history of
myth making. The claim they are the fastest
growing religion in the world is pure myth.
Muslim's claim that their growth rate is 235
percent and 47 percent for Christianity.
This statistic came from the Readers Digest
Almanac and Yearbook 1983, and
represents 235 percent increase over 50
years . Muslims always leave off the 50 year
fact to make it appear they are going 235%
every year. A simple review of the readers
Digest study shows that the growth rate of
Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the
birth rate in Third World countries where
Islam dominates and not actual
conversions to each religion. Christianity
has always been larger than Islam. These
statistics from Readers Digest are over 20
years old.
Further, readers digest is not considered to be an authority on such
matters . Why will Muslims not quote real
authoritative statistics from certified
research groups who show Islam is not the
fastest growing religion in 3/4’s of the
worlds countries.

proo212: @Abdulsalam20, I beg you please give me the story of Noah, without referring to the corrupt bible and tell me if you understand exactly what happened

Surah 71 does not tell me any history or detailed accounts of the flood. Such a huge event that happened on earth, Allah the all knowing and wise doesn't seem to have the details, yet the bible is corrupt!

Just quit while you are at it.....

HolyHolla: Congratulations, Abdulsalam20, you are in the news again. "Extra, extra, read all about it... Breaking News... Abdulsalam20 says..." Now, lets get back to rational argumentation. We won't engage you in derailing the main points of this topic. The Quran borrowed many stories from the Bible, the pseudo apocryphal and Gnostic books and while re-narrating, Mohammed infused his myths due to his low knowledge of the facts and on challenge by scholars, he said he was inspired by angels. True or false?

proo212: I derailed the thread not because all the stories you quote are true but because "opinions" have been used to explain the texts and I cannot be bothered to be reading personal opinions.

The text should speak for itself. After all Allah said the Quran in numerous places is detailed, why do i need your opinion to understand what the Quran is saying?

I wished you address what i posted instead of trying to score cheap points....

HolyHolla: Thank God, some are willing and able to tell the truth rather than hiding behind one finger of shenanigans.

HolyHolla: Don't go off in rigmaroles again. Answer the question at hand, "Are there proofs that Mohammed copied these books that you are disparaging or not?"

HolyHolla: All boobadash! You need to do more to contradict the facts at your disposal. The question you need to address rather than going into shenanigans that everyone has heard several times before is: "Are the quotations from the Quran which show that Mohammed had prior knowledge of the Bible and heard from biblical scholars true as pointed out point blank in my submissions or not?

proo212: .

HolyHolla: Any keen scholar can see no passages in Quran identifies Gabriel, or even Michael, as Holy Spirit. Reference passages distinguish Gabriel from the angels, i.e. Allah AND Gabriel AND the angels AND the righteous believers protect Muhammad. Just like Allah, the righteous believers and angels are all different and distinct from one another, they don’t belong to the same class of being, Gabriel must also be viewed as a distinct entity from all the rest.

Surah 2:97-98 lists several different groups giving the impression that these entities are also different from one another.

1. Since the Quran claims to be fully detailed, completely exhaustive, can you please tell us who Gabriel is by using the Quran alone?
2. If as you claim, Gabriel was God's Spirit whom Allah sent to assist Muhammad, what of Michael?

Please answer by using the Quran alone.