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malvisguy212:
for once in your life cant you stay in one discusion?we are talking abou law and this is what you came up with.if you want to discuse this,open a thread and invite me in,until then, i wont reply you again.

I DONT NEED YOU TO REPLY TO THIS..........LEST SORT THE OTHER ONE FIRST........

malvisguy212:
muhammad read the bible without understanding.


centuries before the
Qur’an even came into existence, the Holy Bible raised a similar challenge:
Isaiah 41:21: “Present your case, says the Lord. Bring forth your proofs, says the King of Jacob.

The quran ask for proofs. THIS IS IT.
Isaiah 42:8-9, the true God says: “I am Jehovah, that is my name! I will not give my glory to ANOTHER
or my praise to IDOLS. See, the former things have taken place, and
new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you.”
muhammad join his family worship idols,God will not shere his glory with idol worshippers.
SHALOM

GIVE ME AN EVIDENCE THAT MUHAMMAD WORSHIP IDOL NITWIT EVEN THOUGH THERE IS CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT ANOTHER PROPHET IS COMING IN THE BIBLE

"I do nothing of myself (From the NIV Bible, John 8:28) "


YEYE THREAD

malvisguy212:
Surah 5:101-102: “O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble … Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Yusuf Ali)


Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 92: Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was asked about things which he
did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got
angry.

malvisguy again
Allaah Says (what means): { O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they
are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Quran is being
revealed, they will be shown to you. Allaah has pardoned it [i.e. that which is past]; and
Allaah is Forgiving and Forbearing. A people asked such [questions] before you; then they
became thereby disbelievers.} [Quran 5:101-102]
]
This verse prohibits the Muslims from asking about things they have no benefit in asking
about, because if such matters appear to them it may be harmful to them and it will be
difficult for them to hear it, like the person who asked the Prophet : ‘‘Where is my father
(in the Hereafter)? The Prophet replied: ‘‘In Hellfire.’’, or the person who asked about
Hajj: ‘‘Is it every year, o Prophet of Allaah?’’, whereupon the Prophet replied: ‘‘No, and if
I replied by ‘yes’, it would become an obligation on you to perform it every year and you will
not be able to do so .’’
These examples are reported about the reasons for which the verse was revealed, and similar
to this are the questions asked just in order to mock the person or to ask rigid questions
without any benefit.
To conclude, this verse was revealed because of asking about things that have no benefit, or
because of asking too much, or asking in order to mock, or test someone or to argue with
him only for the sake of argument.
As regards asking the scholars about the matters of religion or asking people of experience
about beneficial things in this worldly life, then this is not included in the probation of asking.

LOOK AT THIS QUESTION ALSO
"Some people used to question
the Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam) to
mock him. One of them would ask, `Who is my father,' while
another would ask, `Where is my camel,' when he lost his
camel. Allah sent down this Ayah about them,
O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made
plain to you, may cause you trouble....


HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND NOW

malvisguy212:
is this how you read the bible and got confused then become an atheist? It a shame weah96. Real shame

I WILL TELL YOU THE WAY THE BIBLE PRESENT IS NOT LOGICAL
YOU SAID JESUS IS GOD ND JESUS WAS SLAPPED BY MAN IN THE BIBLE
YOU SAID JESUS IS GOD AND HE RAN TO A FOREST TO BE SAVE FROM PEOPLE

YOU SAID JESUS IS A DRUNKARD

EVEN THE WAY YOU PRESENT YOUR REAL GOD IS SO BAD BIBLE HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH BADLY


The New International Version of
Genesis 3:8-11, reads,“Then the man
and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in
the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God
among the trees of the garden. (9) But the LORD God called to the
man, “Where are you?” (10) He answered, “I heard you in the garden,
and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” 11 And he said, “Who
told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I
commanded you not to eat from?”



Here, God is pictured as walking in the garden in the cool of the day.
What is even more astonishing is that Adam and Eve were able to hide
from God and he had to ask, “Where are you?” If a human is able to
hide from Him in the garden, how is it that this Lord is going to have
knowledge of the sins that people commit? It would be difficult for
any human to gender in his heart the kind of love and fear of God that
he should have when he believes that his God is so faulty and weak
that an event like this could occur to him.


In Genesis 32:24-28, there is the story and literal description of Jacob
wrestling with and defeating God. In verse 28, it says,

“You [Jacob] have wrestled withGod and with men, and you have
won.” In other words, the creator of the universe whom mankind is
expected to worship and submit to was defeated by a mere mortal in a
wrestling match.


The Old Testament even picturesGod as one who intended to do evil
but then repented. Exodus32:14states:
“And the Lord repented of theevil which he thought to do unto his
people” ( KingJames Version ). It would not be surprising for anyone to
turn away from God and not consider Him worthy of worship if He
himself has to repent from His own evil.




The Old and New Testamentsdistort the image of the prophets and
defame them. Some prophetsgot drunk! Some showed their unclothedness
to others! Some pretendfoolishness! And some fornicate and commit
adultery!


what rubbish GOD IS MORE THAN THAT SUBHANALLAH

malvisguy212:
who say jesus abolish the law? You read without understanding,in the case of the adultress woman,jesus did not stop them from stoning the woman,meaning the law stand, but he say"he that is without sin shuld cast the first stone"but the accuser left with shame,and jesus say to the woman"go and sin no more" meaning,he gave her the grace to repent of her sin. THAT IS WHAT JESUS MEAN WHEN HE SAY I COME TO FULLFILLED THE LAW.

But in the arab,they implement sharia law, denying the grace of God,if a woman commit adultre,do you think a sinner has the right to condamm her to death?all the innocent soul you sentance by stoning to death,they are in Hell and you,a sinner is still alive,do you thing is fair? What happen to the grace of God? Why not give this people grace to live? Do you want to defend the work of satan?

I know you will still defend it,what ever comment you post,i will not reply you again. thank you.

you are eating you word you said jesus abolish the law with grace now you are saying another thing
[b]

I WILL REPLY BECAUSE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND YOUR BOOK$

DID you know the reason why jesus did not command them to stone the woman?
1.THEY ONLY BOUGHT THE WOMAN WHY?WHY WHERE IS THE MAN THAT COMMIT ADULTERY WITH THE WOMAN AT LEAST THERE MUST BE TWO PARTY INVOLVED BOTH OF THEM WERE CAUGHT RED HANDED AND ONLY THE WOMAN WAS BROUGHT if jesus implement it he will be accused of hypocrisy because only the woman cant commit adultery there must be two party involved therefore it is evident that they only want to implicate the woman if not they should have bought both of them.....the woman is innocent

2.the jews want to implictate jesus because jesus is not a king and the rule during that time is only king can pass death sentence......bercause the jew hate jesus they want to implicate him to kill a woman innoently.....so that jesus will be killed for going against the couintry rule

Notice that John 8:6 clearly says
"They were using this question as a trap" , which clearly
means that the situation of John 8:1-11 was no more than a
trap to make Jesus peace be upon him make a mistake.
That's why HE DIDN'T ALLOW THEM TO OUT SMART HIM
AND FORCE HIM TO GIVE ANY JUDGMENT AGAINST THE
WOMAN. Jesus peace be upon him didn't in anyway
nullify the Laws of GOD Almighty regarding punishment
for adultery.

TRY TO UNDERSTAND YOUR SCRIPTURE IS IT YOU THAT DOESNT UNDERSTAND THIS THAT WILL BELIEVE JESUS IS A PROPHET OF GOD AND HE NEVER ABOLISH THE LAW and will understand that muhammad is prophesised in your book

1:187 And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!

AM LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE YOU CAN QUOTE WHERE I AM WRONG
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The
teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So
you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But
do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they
preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly see in these verses
that Jesus peace be upon him did not prohibit for the Old
Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to
not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the
Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it because they dont practice it wel they punish the oor and leave the prominent
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malvisguy212:
this will be the last i reply you,instead of you to adress my post,you are saying different thing,for you,two wrong can make a right.

The verse you quote are the old testement law,the live by the law of God, and when you live by the law of God,you break it,you will pay for it,but today christ has giving us his grace,but you guys in the arab live by the law and deny the grace of God throught christ Jesus.

The other thread was not open by me,i stop replying you because you dont know how to debate.

in the first place where did jesus abolish it?
see what jesus said

Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to
abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to
abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the
least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from
the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew
5:17-18

also
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to
his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit
in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything
they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not
practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly
see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not
prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only
warned his followers to not follow it the way the current
religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were
following it.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE ANTICHRIST PAUL LIED TO YOU WHICH I PROVED IN THE OTHER THREAD I EXPECT YOU TO PROVE IT WRONG......BT U COULDNT.....THERE IS NOTHING LIKE GRACE


moreover i posted the verse to let you know that slavery is a common thing in the olden days because the way u posted it u think only in the quran slavery is mentioned.....and u dont bother to read your book first......yisa(pbuh) never preach grace paul fool you people i will only believe in paul if you can prove to me that he is not an antichrist


did you know what is debate you are d one who dont know how todebate you ignore the truth if i gave my point you will give me a reason why it is wrong and if what you posted is fallacy i can still further prove myself......at times i might nt want to reply but i will feel you mighht think what u posted is true but on your side

GO AND LEARN WHAT DEBATE IS

malvisguy212:
the quran is clear for everyone to read and understand,muslims are allow to have sex with there slaves.

try to earn what cristianity entails

EXODUS 21:7-11
WHEN A MAN SELLS HIS DAUGHTER AS A SLAVE, SHE WILL
NOT BE
FREED AT THE END OF SIX YEARS AS THE MEN ARE. IF SHE
DOES
NOT PLEASE THE MAN WHO BOUGHT HER, HE MAY ALLOW
HER TO
BE BOUGHT BACK AGAIN. BUT HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO SELL
HER TO
FOREIGNERS, SINCE HE IS THE ONE WHO BROKE THE
CONTRACT WITH
HER. AND IF THE SLAVE GIRL'S OWNER ARRANGES FOR HER
TO
MARRY HIS SON, HE MAY NO LONGER TREAT HER AS A
SLAVE GIRL,
BUT HE MUST TREAT HER AS HIS DAUGHTER. IF HE HIMSELF
MARRIES HER AND THEN TAKES ANOTHER WIFE, HE MAY NOT
REDUCE HER FOOD OR CLOTHING OR FAIL TO SLEEP WITH
HER AS HIS
WIFE. IF HE FAILS IN ANY OF THESE THREE WAYS, SHE MAY
LEAVE
AS A FREE WOMAN WITHOUT MAKING ANY PAYMENT.



THIS IS A SEX SLAVE. IF SHE DOESNT PLEASE THE
MASTER? HOW IS SHE SUPPOSED TOPLEASE HIM
infact slaves are treated more better in islam than christianity........you can open a thread for it and get beautiful response

I JUST PITY YOU CHRITIANS


anyway am still waiting for your response in the thread you opened elizabeth......bla bla bla

in this life if anything happens we have to take it as fate she have to forgive and forgrt what has happen cant be reversed.......she should just try to plead to michael to be fair with them he should seek advice from a sensible religious leader.....if he was to be a mulim there are conditions for marrying more than one wife
1.he mist be fair with them
2.he should not marry 2 wife of he is nt financially okay......i think micjhael is financially okay

i cant list everything here she should just try to take michael and the second wife to a pastor or alfa pls not the endtime religious leader who preach hatred who only care for their pocket

having two wife is not a big deal the prime importance is fairness and jenifer dont try to be jealous you should understand that michael is not for you alone again


GENERAL ADVICE TO GUYS OUT THERE ID YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO MARRY ANOTHER WIFE CALL YOUR WIFE AND EXPLAIN TO HER DONT TAKE T STEP OF IMPREGNATING THE WOMAN BEFORE INFORMING HER MARRYING MORE THAN ONE WIFE IS PERMITTED IN BOTH SCRIPTURE KING SOLOMON HAVE MANY WIFE ANRAHAM HAVE TWO WIFE JESUS LIVE AMONG POLYGAMIST AND HE NEVER CRITICISE THEM IN ISLAM MAXIMUM IS FOUR.......THE WOMAN WONT BE TOTALLY HAPPY WITH THAT STEP MOST GUYS ARE USING NOW FORNICATION IS HARAM MARRY ANOTHER WIFE IF NEED BE BUT BE FAIR AND HONEST SHARE LOVE TO BOTH OF THEM THAT IN THEIR HEART THE FIRST WIFE WILL FEEL YOU LOVE HER MORE THAN THE SECOND WIFE AND THE SECOND WIFE WILL FEEL YOU LOVE HER MORE THAN THE FIRST WIFE......THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF LOVE

Emusan:
The different between you and I is that The True God of the universe who
created Adam, spoke to all the Prophets and sent His Only Son for remission
of sin has revealed Himself to me WHEREAS YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO
Allah and if you read OT you'll see the God who spoke to All Prophet always
reveals Himself to people.


Shalom!

YOUR QUESTION HERE IS DIVIDED INTO TWO PART YOU CLAIM NO PROPNET RECEIVE REVELATION FROM ANGEL AND JESUS DIE FOR YOUR SIN

PROPHETS THAT RECEIVE REVELATION FM GABRIEL ON THE BIBLE

And when I (John) had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet
of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said unto me, ‘Do not
do it!
I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of
all who keep the words of this book. Worship God." (Revelation 22:8-9).
.......THIS MEANS EVEN JESUS IS A SERVANT OF GOD read dat verse wella


2. We know from the Bible that no man has seen, or can see, God (1Timothy
6:15-16). therefore who will god send

3. God’s Word was revealed to men by angels. Stephen, speaking of
Moses says,
"He was with the assembly in the desert, with the angel who spoke to him on
Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received living words to pass on to
us." (Acts 7:38, cf.vs.53)

4 abraham was blessed by an angel
because he had obeyed God (Genesis 22:15-18). Similarly, an a




THIS IS ENOUGH TO PROVE THAT WRONG BECAUSE I STILL HAVE LIKE FORTY HERE
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Your second lie jesus die for our sin nevr!

Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the
Temple and one of them said unto him: Master, it is said
by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no
remission. Can then the blood offering of the law take
away sin? And Jesus answered: No blood offering, of
beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the
conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent
blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation. (Gospel of
the Nazorenes, Lection 33, verses 1-2)



and jesus is a son of man (son of adam) therefore he is a man

Emusan:
*Does it mean that after Muhammad and Qur'an God ceased to reveal
WHEREAS Jesus says in John 14:23 That He and His Father will reveal
themselves to whosoever love Him?

Shalom!

did you read the verse well? you misunderstand it
Joh 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

we muslim love jesus and obey jesus more than you because his a prophet of god
AND ALSO JESUS SAY GOD IS THE FATHER OF EVERYBODY NOT HIM ALONE
'I am ascending to my Father and
your Father, to my God and your God.'" john20:17


muslim obey jesus more than you because you are antichrist dollower of paul

*jesus pray by owing down his head christian pray by dancing
singing and drumming(pls how many christian bow down their
head)
*jesus forbid women to talk in church but now christians
organise choir infact ladies are now pastors
*jesus leave his beard no christian do that only muslims do that
but the only thing christian do is to laugh at them
*jesus forbid charging of interest when we try to establish
islamic banking with interest free loan can oppose it
*jesus order female to cover their hair if u go to churches you
will see women with their hair open some with handkechief and
some with hat which only cover half of the hair when
aregbesola raise the issue of using hijaab in osun state schools
infact he didnt say it is compulsor he said who so wsh......but
unfortunately can opposed it....infact in lagos state it is yet to
be implemented due to can disagreement
*jesu worship the one and only true god but you mis inter pret
him now you are worshiping three gods
*it is clear in the bible that we should to go hajj(mekkah) and
that jerusalem is no more holy bt you people feel reluctant i
created a thread for it nobody could defend it what they do is
to derail
*jesus surrender to god totally but u didnt u associate partner
with god
*jesus forbid eating pork most christian eat it but only mslims
never eat it
*jesus is a prophet of god but you call him god(i have already
prove this for u
jeus isnot dead but u say he is dead please check my profile for
detail

#jesus circumcised on the eigth day only muslim do that christians never

jesus say we should nt eat pork only muslim dont christian eat pork





all christian are antichrist only muslim are the true christian we are even christian more than the christian them selveve

Emusan:
*Does it mean that after Muhammad and Qur'an God ceased to reveal
WHEREAS Jesus says in John 14:23 That He and His Father will reveal
themselves to whosoever love Him?

Shalom!

did you read the verse well? you misunderstand it
Joh 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

we muslim love jesus and obey jesus more than you because his a prophet of god
[b]AND ALSO JESUS SAY GOD IS THE FATHER OF EVERYBODY NOT HIM ALONE
'I am ascending to my Father and
your Father, to my God and your God.'" john20:17 [b]

Emusan:
You might have heard many TESTIMONY of Christian having personal encounter with God and discard it BUT IT'S TRUE because God has revealed Himself to me too.



Shalom!

you only see devil because christian are not worshiping god anyone who see god will die
New International Version
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
exodus 33;20

even musa said he want to see god

And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke
to him, he said, ‘My Lord, show me (Yourself) that I may look at
You.’ (God) said, ‘You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it
should remain in place, then you will see Me.’ But when his Lord
appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell
unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, ‘Exalted are You! I have
repented to You, and I am the first of the believers.’” (Quran 7:143

malvisguy212:
in the biblical and quranic account of the virgin birth,it was the same encounter mary and the angel gabriel had,the same verse in the bible jesus was called the son of God.in the quran,it was the same encounter jesus was called word and spirit of God.how do you explain this?

This is prove that muhammad read the christian bible but dont understand the teaching.do you think a man who is soo much into paganism can be a prophet of God?even paul who is filled by the holy spirit,we do not regard him as a prophet.even in his allegdly calling in the cave of hira,he was convince that a demon has possesed him until his wife kadijah,a BUSINESS WOMAN told him it was and angel.I STRONGLY BELIEVE,THE WAY SATAN USE AND DECEIVE THE FIRST WOMAN EVE AND SINK OUR FOUNDATION,THAT IS HOW SATAN WANT TO USE KADIJAH,MUHAMMAD WIFE TO SINK OUR NEW FOUNDATION IN CHRIST JESUS.BECAUSE WHY AFTER 600YEARS AFTER THE PROMIES HAS BEEN FULLFILLED,GOD SEND SOME ONE WITH A DIFFERENCE MESSAGE?

The devil is a lier ,his trick has been exposed in jesus name.amen.

you need to see a psychatrist forr the fact that jesus was born a virgin doesnt mean he is begotten son of god just like i prove to you god never begot and everybody is a son of god
then what should we call adam greater god what should we call elisha greatest because he perform miracle more than jesus
why jesus is born a virgin

“Surely in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.” (Quran 3:49) i.e if you
disbelieve in what god can do
These miracles were performed only by the Will of God, had
he not willed them to occur, they could never come to be. God
explicitly states this in the Quran, saying that they were:
“…by the permission of God” (Quran 3:49; 5:10)
“A man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs
which
God performed through him in your midst.” (Acts 2:22)
The Qur'an says, “And (appoint him) an apostle to the
Children of Israel, (with this message)” (3:49). It also says, “O
Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you.” (61:6)
Also, it discusses the various Israelite prophets saying, “And in
their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law
that had come before him.” (5:46) Therefore, the Qur’an is very
clear on what the mission of Jesus was, and the information
found in The New Testament itself attests to this fact...........your religion os
baseless man

you said quran is copied from bible am still co ing to probe you wrong even though u didnt answer my question about you and paul being an antichrist and muslims follow jesus more than u let me answer emusan first i will be back

emusan

[s] The questions you need to ask yourself are;
*Why Muslims don't have personal encounter with Allah?
*Does it mean that after Muhammad and Qur'an God ceased to reveal
WHEREAS Jesus says in John 14:23 That He and His Father will reveal
themselves to whosoever love Him?
*Both the OT and NEW Testament have verse(s) where God reveals Himself
to Prophets and their servants but Qur'an is exceptional, Why? because
Nowhere in the Quran or Hadith that record any Muhammad's companions
to receive revelation from Allah for over 20years of Muhammad prophet
hood.
*If Allah didn't reveal himself to Muhammad through Jibril as Muhammad
claimed, how will Muhammad know that Allah exists?
You might have heard many TESTIMONY of Christian having personal
encounter with God and discard it BUT IT'S TRUE because God has
revealed Himself to me too.[/s]

try to read your scripture no one can see God
New International Version
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." exodus 33;20



you cant see God
“And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke
to him, he said, ‘My Lord, show me (Yourself) that I may look at
You.’ (God) said, ‘You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it
should remain in place, then you will see Me.’ But when his Lord
appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell
unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, ‘Exalted are You! I have
repented to You, and I am the first of the believers.’” (Quran 7:143)



IF MUHAMMAD WAS TO BE A FALSE PROPHET HE WILL HAVE SAID HE SAW GOD


Did Prophet Muhammad See God In This Life?
Prophet Muhammad traveled in a miraculous journey through
the heavens and met God. People thought that since Prophet
Muhammad spoke to God in that journey, he probably saw God
too. One of the companions, Abu Dahrr, asked him about it. The
Prophet replied:
“There was only light, how could I see Him?” (Saheeh Muslim)
What was the light he saw?
The Prophet explained:
“Surely, God does not sleep nor is it befitting for Him to sleep. He is
the one who lowers the scales and raises them. The deeds of the night
go up to Him before the deeds of the day and those of the day before
those of the night, and His veil is light.” (Saheeh Muslim)



THE ONLY DAY MAN WILLNSEE GOD IS THE DAY OF RESURRECTION
The Prophet said,
“The Day Of Resurrection is the first day any eye will look at God, the
Mighty and Exalted.”



NO PROPHET SEE GOD YOU CAN ONLY SEE BRIGHTNESS THE ONLY DAY MAN WILL SEE GOD IS THE DAY OF RESURRECTION WHICH ALL THOSE WHO NEVER WORSHIPNGOD OR ASSOCIATE PARTNER WITH GOD JUST LIKE YOU WILL BURN IN JAHANAMAH

Emusan:
You think by avoiding your post I ran away or I was defeated, if you can spent your whole day on NLand I can't because many things need to be done.

Secondly, since you've joined Nland I thought your power of comprehension suppose to have increased BUT IT SHAMEFUL that it doesn't.

After I took my time to tell you the reason why KJV MIGHT have used the WORD BEGOTTEN you can still post it again that THE WORD BEGOTTEN wasn't appeared in the manuscript quoting Greek language as if you can point it out or interpret it.

Did I claim that BEGOTTEN appeared in the manuscript?

For the last time, the word that appeared in the original manuscript that KJV rendered as "Only begotten son" is MONOGENES which have many meaning i.e sole descent, ONE OF HIS KIND, UNIQUE e.t.c and I said KJV version might use BEGOTTEN as an emphasis of ONE OF HIS KIND (I hope you do know the meaning of ONE OF HIS KIND?) WHILE the Version like RSV goes for just ONLY and another 50eminent scholars of NIV can also accuse RSV as not proper rendering of the word MONOGENES because NIV chooses better meaning "ONE AND ONLY SON"


Finally this particular thing also happened in QURAN but because you've been brainwashed you won't see it in Qur'an but only Bible..




In fact the BOLDED of your statement is so ludicrous because if CONSIDERING A RELIGION as a way that makes people practice a religion THEN THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN KNOW THE TRUE RELIGION because anybody can compose a book and claim it's from God.

The different between you and I is that The True God of the universe who created Adam, spoke to all the Prophets and sent His Only Son for remission of sin has revealed Himself to me WHEREAS YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALLAH and if you read OT you'll see the God who spoke to All Prophet always reveals Himself to people.

The questions you need to ask yourself are;
*Why Muslims don't have personal encounter with Allah?
*Does it mean that after Muhammad and Qur'an God ceased to reveal WHEREAS Jesus says in John 14:23 That He and His Father will reveal themselves to whosoever love Him?
*Both the OT and NEW Testament have verse(s) where God reveals Himself to Prophets and their servants but Qur'an is exceptional, Why? because Nowhere in the Quran or Hadith that record any Muhammad's companions to receive revelation from Allah for over 20years of Muhammad prophet hood.
*If Allah didn't reveal himself to Muhammad through Jibril as Muhammad claimed, how will Muhammad know that Allah exists?

You might have heard many TESTIMONY of Christian having personal encounter with God and discard it BUT IT'S TRUE because God has revealed Himself to me too.



Shalom!

what you posted is rubbish what i am trying to tell you is God never begot or is he begotten because the only verse christian always make reference to that jesus is a begotten son of God the niv bible which is the best bible declared it is not part of it you can read more here www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Christianity

you should try toknow the meaning of begotten you claim its the same as unique begot mean to give birth sexually you need to go back to secondary school and write your olevel again
i dont have much to say to you this clown who dont listen to reality you said jesus is a son of God whereas eberybody is a son of god in the bible which means servant of god i expect you to read that and prove me wrong you should also try to prove my alleged antichrist on you and paul.......nairaland nitwit

in the first place you didnt clarify your self well........
is the dressing of you brother a proper one?
is your brother the type that SAG/ZAG his trouser?
is he the type that put on cloth that expose his body? eg slim fit that you wont be able to tighten your button well?
is your brother the type that his trouser is touching ground because the prophet says our trouser should not extend beyond our ankle
is your brother the type that put on singlet and boxers around the compund and the streeet...........

THAT IS WHY IT IS GOOD TO LEARN ABOUT YOUR DEEN......BEAUSE ISLAM IS A BEAUTIFUL RELIGION

SEVEN.........gone are those dayz

hope you are nt the only child of your parent

Emusan:
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i'm still waiting for ur response

malvisguy212:
read the op and read the coment,up till now,non of you guys has answer my qustion,how do you reconcile this word? Spirit of God,word of God and son of God?

...you should rather say u dont want to listen to the truth because it has been answered but i can quote back of you like

Larow:
Abdusalam20! What are you trying to say? Dat am wrong? Didn't the holy quran call Jesus the word? Go back and read my former post and study your quran! After this, come back and talk.

the trash you posted have already been answered go back and read from page 2

You are drawing your own conclusions here. This is the correct translation of that verse.

(171. O People of the Scripture! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah except the truth. Al-Masih `Isa, son of Maryam, was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from ﴿created by﴾ Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three!'' Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One God, hallowed be He above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.)

What is meant by "His Word" is explained in this verse:

“It is He Who gives Life and Death: when He desires a matter, He says to it: ‘Be’ and it is!” (Qur'an 40:68)

Everything is from Allah therefore saying that the spirit of Jesus (peace be upon him) is from Allah is merely stating that Allah created everything (including the spirit of Jesus Christ).

The translation of the first verse is very simple and easy to understand unless one has got other motives to play around with it's meaning.


just try to read bacckward

jesus is never a son of GOD he is a prophet

Larow:
You muslims should stop argueing a clear point! Jesus is clearly God! Your quran clearly acknowledged him as the word of God. How then did God create the world? Its through his word! The question now is ; is d word a creation or a creator! The word is the CREATOR ! Meaning: Jesus is the creator and obviously the LORD of all! Chikena!!!!

i can see you are a clown ask malvisguy212 who created the thread he don run away

AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO LEARN READ FROM THE IRST PAGE YOU WILL KNOW CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION THEY ARE JUST AN ANTICHRIST

AND ANY OF THE POST WE POST THAT YOU FEEL ITS WRONG JUST QUOTE IT AND PROVE IT WRONG BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE DEFINITION OF LIE? LIE IS WHAT WE CAN PROVE WRONG SO IF YOU CANT PROE IT WRONG THEN IT IS REALITY

udatso:
I like malvisguy212 for this, when he creates topics like this, he gives opportunity to fellow christians to learn as so many things are been exposed. … even though he might not want to learn
at thesame time he saves us the stress of creating the threads .

jazakumullahu khairan you are right

i dont know why nigerians are shouting jesus when the said he is only sent to the lost ship o israel
mathew 15:24
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of
Israel."


I BEG WETIN CONCERN NIGERIANS

malvisguy212:
all what you wrote are lies and misinterpretation of the word of God.JESUS SAY"BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS,I AM" This mean he exist at the beginning and he use the title God use when He called moses,God say I AM THAT I AM,now compered it to what jesus say"before abraham was I AM"in other word,before the world begin I AM" the quran called jesus the word of God and spirit from God and bible called him son of God,how do you reconcile it?

hypocrisy all this have been explained to you before but because you never want to listen to the truth........ AND AM STILL EXPECTING YOUR RESPONSE OOOOOOO MR ANTIHRIST

BraveGuy:


WHO SAYS YOUR HEAD HAS NOT BEEN MESSED UP BY ISLAM?

Basic logical thinking has departed from you and I'm afraid what that will turn you.

Your Quran contradicts itself in TERRIBLE ways -
1. People of the Book are our brothers (Surah Al ‘Imran, 110; Surat al-Baqara, 62)
then
2. People of the Book must be killed (al-Anfaal 8:39; Surat 48:29).

"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allaah), then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do"
[al-Anfaal 8:39]

"Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful"
[al-Tawbah 9:5]

So HYPOCRITICAL LIARS!!!

you should have try to bail malvisguy and emusan out they havent reply since look at what u post
3;110
ﻛُﻨﺘُﻢْ ﺧَﻴْﺮَ ﺃُﻣَّﺔٍ ﺃُﺧْﺮِﺟَﺖْ ﻟِﻠﻨَّﺎﺱِ ﺗَﺄْﻣُﺮُﻭﻥَ ﺑِﭑﻟْﻤَﻌْﺮُﻭﻑِ ﻭَﺗَﻨْﻬَﻮْﻥَ ﻋَﻦِ ٱﻟْﻤُﻨﻜَﺮِ ﻭَﺗُﺆْﻣِﻨُﻮﻥَ ﺑِﭑﻟﻠَّﻪِ ۗ ﻭَﻟَﻮْ ءَاﻣَﻦَ ﺃَﻫْﻞُ ٱﻟْﻜِﺘَٰﺐِ ﻟَﻜَﺎﻥَ ﺧَﻴْﺮًا ﻟَّﻬُﻢ ۚ ﻣِّﻨْﻬُﻢُ ٱﻟْﻤُﺆْﻣِﻨُﻮﻥَ ﻭَﺃَﻛْﺜَﺮُﻫُﻢُ ٱﻟْﻔَٰﺴِﻘُﻮﻥَ

You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah; and if the followers of the Book had believed it would have been better for them; of them (some) are believers and most of them are transgressors. (3:110)


YOU ALSO QUOTE
ﺇِﻥَّ ٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ءَاﻣَﻨُﻮا۟ ﻭَٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ﻫَﺎﺩُﻭا۟ ﻭَٱﻟﻨَّﺼَٰﺮَﻯٰ ﻭَٱﻟﺼَّٰﺒِـِٔﻴﻦَ ﻣَﻦْ ءَاﻣَﻦَ ﺑِﭑﻟﻠَّﻪِ ﻭَٱﻟْﻴَﻮْﻡِ ٱﻻْءَﺧِﺮِ ﻭَﻋَﻤِﻞَ ﺻَٰﻠِﺤًﺎ ﻓَﻠَﻬُﻢْ ﺃَﺟْﺮُﻫُﻢْ ﻋِﻨﺪَ ﺭَﺑِّﻬِﻢْ ﻭَﻻَ ﺧَﻮْﻑٌ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻬِﻢْ ﻭَﻻَ ﻫُﻢْ ﻳَﺤْﺰَﻧُﻮﻥَ

Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (2:62)


NOW CHEXCK OF IT IS A COMTRADICTION WITH THE NEXT ONES YOU POSTED

ﻭَﻗَٰﺘِﻠُﻮﻫُﻢْ ﺣَﺘَّﻰٰ ﻻَ ﺗَﻜُﻮﻥَ ﻓِﺘْﻨَﺔٌ ﻭَﻳَﻜُﻮﻥَ ٱﻟﺪِّﻳﻦُ ﻛُﻠُّﻪُۥ ﻟِﻠَّﻪِ ۚ ﻓَﺈِﻥِ ٱﻧﺘَﻬَﻮْا۟ ﻓَﺈِﻥَّ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪَ ﺑِﻤَﺎ ﻳَﻌْﻤَﻠُﻮﻥَ ﺑَﺼِﻴﺮٌ

And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do. (8:39) THIS MEANS UNTIL THEY DONT ATTACK YOU ANYMORE SO WE SONT ATTACK FIRST IN ISLAM WE ONLY DEFEND OUR SELF

YOU ALSO QUOTE

ﻣُّﺤَﻤَّﺪٌ ﺭَّﺳُﻮﻝُ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪِ ۚ ﻭَٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ﻣَﻌَﻪُۥٓ ﺃَﺷِﺪَّآءُ ﻋَﻠَﻰ ٱﻟْﻜُﻔَّﺎﺭِ ﺭُﺣَﻤَﺎٓءُ ﺑَﻴْﻨَﻬُﻢْ ۖ ﺗَﺮَﻯٰﻫُﻢْ ﺭُﻛَّﻌًﺎ ﺳُﺠَّﺪًا ﻳَﺒْﺘَﻐُﻮﻥَ ﻓَﻀْﻼً ﻣِّﻦَ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪِ ﻭَﺭِﺿْﻮَٰﻧًﺎ ۖ ﺳِﻴﻤَﺎﻫُﻢْ ﻓِﻰ ﻭُﺟُﻮﻫِﻬِﻢ ﻣِّﻦْ ﺃَﺛَﺮِ ٱﻟﺴُّﺠُﻮﺩِ ۚ ﺫَٰﻟِﻚَ ﻣَﺜَﻠُﻬُﻢْ ﻓِﻰ ٱﻟﺘَّﻮْﺭَﻯٰﺓِ ۚ ﻭَﻣَﺜَﻠُﻬُﻢْ ﻓِﻰ ٱﻹِْﻧﺠِﻴﻞِ ﻛَﺰَﺭْﻉٍ ﺃَﺧْﺮَﺝَ ﺷَﻂْـَٔﻪُۥ ﻓَـَٔﺎﺯَﺭَﻩُۥ ﻓَﭑﺳْﺘَﻐْﻠَﻆَ ﻓَﭑﺳْﺘَﻮَﻯٰ ﻋَﻠَﻰٰ ﺳُﻮﻗِﻪِۦ ﻳُﻌْﺠِﺐُ ٱﻟﺰُّﺭَّاﻉَ ﻟِﻴَﻐِﻴﻆَ ﺑِﻬِﻢُ ٱﻟْﻜُﻔَّﺎﺭَ ۗ ﻭَﻋَﺪَ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪُ ٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ءَاﻣَﻨُﻮا۟ ﻭَﻋَﻤِﻠُﻮا۟ ٱﻟﺼَّٰﻠِﺤَٰﺖِ ﻣِﻨْﻬُﻢ ﻣَّﻐْﻔِﺮَﺓً ﻭَﺃَﺟْﺮًا ﻋَﻆِﻴﻤًۢﺎ

Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward. (48:29)

PLS FOR GOD SAKE WHY ARE YOU POSTING BAD THINGS ABOUT ISLAM THERE IS NO SINGLE CONTRADICTION IN THE QIRAN YOU BIBLE HAVE MORE THAN 100 CONTRADICTIONS AND VARIOUS TERRORS

nice one more power to your elbow

nice article we have to be very carefulnof them they are bunch of liars

i dobt if the op is a muslim because you should know the benefit of going to mosque earlier
In one Hadith, the Holy Prophet said the most beloved places
to Allah are the Masajid. Even when he is occupied with the
matters of the word, such as family, work etc, the heart of a
Muslim should always be attached to the Masjid.


The Holy Prophet stated in another Hadith that the condition
of a believer outside the Masjid is that of a fish out of water. A
fish obviously has no desire to be out water, and if it is taken out
will long to return, and will remain restless for as long as it is out
of water. In the same Hadith, the sign of a Munafiq (hypocrite)
has been described as a bird in a cage longing to be released
from there as soon as possible. A Munafiq anxiously waits for the
Salaah or speech to end so he can leave.

an afhiz reciting quran should not irritate you
hadeeth, ‘Aa’ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, relates that the
Prophet (sallAllahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) said:
Verily the one who recites the Qur’an beautifully, smoothly, and precisely, he will
be in the company of the noble and obedient angels. And as for the one who
recites with difficulty, stammering or stumbling through its verses, then he will
have TWICE that reward.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]



a
Allah knows best




concerning charging am guilty bt i dont see anything offensive in it

malvisguy212 and emusan where are you i expect you to stand on your claim that muslim are antichrist and emusan you have believe now that begotten is a fabrication let me tell you religion should nt be something you practice because you are born in it it should be what u practice because u consider it a way pls come and prove me wrong that christian are not antichrist

malvisguy212:
when the satanic verse were reaveal,muhammad bow together with the pagan.dos that mean the pagan are muslims?,this will be my last reply to you.

MUHAMMAD AS A PROPHET Muhammad’s father’s name was AbduAllah (Abdullai) and his mother’s
name was Aminah. His grandfather’s name was Muttalib. They were
idol worshipers. A careful study of islam brought by Muhammad
reveals that it is a continuation of his father’s idol worship even
though they said islam is against any form of idol worship. Islam is not
idol worship on the pages of quran but it is in truth and practice. Let us examine islamic mode of worship: 1. TAWAF BETWEEN SAFA AND
MARWA Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual
associated
with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located
at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the
two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet
another Qur'anic revelations. Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik:
"Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?"
He said, "Yes, AS IT WAS
THE CEREMONIES OF THE DAYS OF PRE-ISLAMIC PERIOD OF IGNORANCE
TILL Allah REVEALED 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al- Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him
who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to
perform Tawaf between them.' " (Quran 2.158)
(Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710)
You can see from the above hadith that what was being practiced by
idol worshipers before islam was incorporated into it. I mean islam continues with the ways of idol worshipers. 2. REQUIREMENT OF IHRAM
Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It
involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram
garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for
worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this
practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah. Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was
revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for
worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a
place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever
assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform
Tawaf between Safa and Marwa. (Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706)
They continued their pagan ways of worship even when they
embraced islam. 3. PRAYING 5 TIMES TOWARDS MECCA Pagans prior to
Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca.
Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it
with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al- Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers
per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains
with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.
Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least
five times a day.

i laugh at your ignorance i have answer your so called satanoc verse before in a thread ........bt u can post it here i will educate u on it again


your second point; muhammad continue the religion of his father that is a big lie u should have learn before speaking but i will educate you on it


infact what you posted is very funny

like you know arabs are descendant of ismaheel and abraham is the father of islam he build the kaaba in makkah along side his child ismaheel and that is why going to hajj is prescribed for you in the bible and you didnt follow it nobody have ever prove it wrong

like i said arabs are descedant of ismaheel islam has been in existence before the era of muhammad people practice islam but after the death of ibrahim and ismaheel people change their mode of worship they associate partner with god they started associating parner with god but you will wonder why his fther is named abdullah(servant of god) they are practicing islam but associate partner with god just like what you christian are doing by worshiping idol and that is why parent of muhammad die as kufr becae they change what is called islam when muhammad come he restored back the real faith islam and i can prove my self using the bible u are told to go to hajj but u refûse




in addition tomy post on going to hajj in the bible take this

In the Old Testament....
Pharaoh asked him, How old are you? And Jacob said to Pharaoh, the
years of my pilgrimage are a hundred and thirty. My years have been
few and difficult, and they do not equal the years of the pilgrimage of
my fathers .
(Genesis 47:8-9, NIV Bible)
In both cases, the word `pilgrimage' alludes to the same meaning, i.e.
years indicating a well known fact that pilgrimage is an annual event.
Other translations of the Bible use the word `sojourning' and `wayfaring'
in place of `pilgrimage' (The Holy Scriptures, Jewish Publication Society,
1916 and The New American Bible, Catholic Book Publishing, 1977
respectively). They may have kept the same understanding (i.e. `year')
but in so doing, they have inadvertently obscured the fact that
pilgrimage already was a well known annual event during the time of
Jacob and the Pharaoh


2. In the Bible (Genesis 18:16-33), we read that Abraham had a
conversation with God where he tried to understand God's forgiveness
and mercy. The place where Abraham stood (Genesis 19:27) is called
makom Abrahem in Hebrew. More specifically, the rabbinical
understanding of makom Abrahem is that this is the same place in
which Abraham was about to sacrifice his own son until God intervened
(see Genesis 22:4, 9, 14). It was believed that on this place Solomon
built the holiest of the Jewish shrine, the Temple of the Mount. (It was
eventually destroyed by the king of Babylon; on this very same spot in
what was already known as Jerusalem the Ummayad finally built
Masjid Al-Aqsa, which is still standing today). The concept of maqam
Ibrahim is also found in the Quran. The place inside the Ka'ba in Mecca
where Abraham stood and prayed for guidance is called maqam Ibrahim
or `the station of Abraham' in the Quran 3:96 , as the following verses
make clear:


i still hàve more proof but battle this smàll oñes first