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Sweetnecta: Abdulsleek: The jews believe I am a goyim, a gentile as a starter. call a jew a goyim or gentile as hear an ear full. They think i am a disbeliever. The christians believe i am the enemy. they do not "be unyoke" with me. I am condemned to their lake of fire already because I am a muslim. The hindus do not fear better. They treat me just as worse thinking that i need their "GODs" and i should not eat cow. Every group thinks that people outside the group is against them [enemy is always you, not your friend].


they think that might you since you seem to be so dogged down. You are cultured in a way that do not see the "Hierarchy" of Allah over all, including your office workers. ignorance defeat intelligence in debate all the time.


there are no scholars here. If you are looking for scholars, there are many in London. But you need to shed off the mindset that your co worker lock you in.



while i can not speak for animals, it is contrary to how God made man for steve to wanna sleep with mike and jane, and for julie to want ann and kenny. humans should practice the ideal nature that God created the individual. a person who has the tendency should not act on it, hence he or she will not be it until he or she acts upon the tendency.


you are still wet behind the ears. you can say what you want and i can say what i want [as long as it is reasonable]. you are easily offended and you do not think Allah may be annoyed when you say you disagree with Him?

إِنَّ شَرَّ الدَّوَابَّ عِندَ اللّهِ الصُّمُّ الْبُكْمُ الَّذِينَ لاَ يَعْقِلُونَ

Truly, the worst of all creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf,
the dumb, those who do not use their reason.
Qur'an 8:22

LagosShia: You're very correct.I will stop entertaining his post.

Calling Paul a fake prophet is blasphemy to the baffoon claiming to be muslim,but christians calling Muhammad (sa) a "fake prophet" and even "anti-christ" is "freedom of belief".sounds drunk!

You seem angry and confused, sir.

Calling the prophet names is blasphemy. I have never said it wasnt. I only said that we shouldnt kill for blasphemy.

You were caught being wrong and blasphemous to another religion and you are using a strawman to attack me.

LagosShia: Regardless of what you call me,I'm happy there's an improvement in your position.I'm happy you finally said he is "a bit crazy".you're entitled to your opinion.in my view he is mentally ill while literally he isn't.

Wait, if Salman Rushdie is on your street would you kill him?

Sweetnecta: @Abdulsleek: The bold applies to you not less than it applies to the muslims in dialogue with you here. If you say you are a muslim, you have at least acknowledge Allah, His Angels, His Revelations, His Religion, His Prophets [as] and you are happy to be from the community of the last of the prophets [sa]. What you are doing however is giving man his due to be guy, etc, even question Allah. But you are depriving Allah His Rights as your Lord and Owner of the Commands that you must obey, if it is true that you are a muslim. No man is an angel, but taking the sides of the enemies of Guidance from Allah as you seem to be doing here, following the weak position of the non muslims is unbelievable.

So non-muslims (atheists, hindu, christians) are now the enemy? You are giving unbelievers the chance to call islam intolerant!

If the position of the non-muslims is truly weak, then why are LagosShia and Maclatunji scrambling to find links on the internet to answer my questions? They can even argue their counterarguments properly.

I thought that I was among muslims who had the brains of scholars when I was reading some threads on Nairaland as a visitor but many are just repeaters of imams' words.

Sweetnecta: I am sure that some of your non muslim co workers will disagree with gay lifestyle, since their fault is disbelief and not being anti nature.

Anti-nature? Explain it? Are there gay animals?

Sweetnecta: you live in england. you dont work for the government of nigeria. yet you are taking 2 days off from work? i hope its fro nairaland. if independence of your country is an excuse given to me by my employee he or she is gone.

I took 2 day holiday of out my remaining holiday days! Dont be a smartazz Here in uk, workers have a stipulated amount of holday days that they can take every year. I booked mine for today and tommorow.


I went to a party this afternoon. Or are parties now haram?

olawalebabs: 'Liberal muslim' is another name for 'confuse muslim'. Islam is TOTAL submission to the will of Allah. You don't pick which one to follow and which not to follow.

Conservative muslim is another name for "extremist muslim".


Two can play this game

Sweetnecta: @Abdulsleek: Yet His Mercy of your continued existence is still intact. Imagine if an is in the position and your are disagreeing with him? The consequence of your disagreement will be a never end death and worst grade of tortures.


There is no out of wedlock se.x in Islam. if that is not part of the deal, i guess the "dating" here is chalked in the column of knowing your neighbor among mankind. He may just become a muslim before it is gets to other level of relationship.


Age should not prevent you from speaking up about what is right. The elders are not always correct in all things. The correctness is Allah's, alone. Anything different from His statement is incorrect though it may seem good to you because of the coat that satan has put on it.


And Allah raise both of you on His Own.


Allah provided her the house, you and even spare her life in good health that she is enjoying.


You love is not always blind and Allah's Sight sees more than "love" and covers all things all the time. Allah says in surah Azhab that He is not shy to speak the truth. He has spoken the truth.


I come from similar home except that my father [ra] never maltreated my mother who he was old enough to have as a daughter.


we have muslim wives who found "angels" in their muslim husbands. we also have non muslim wives who found their muslim husband as "angels". Just to caution you and i first: man can never be angel.


my mother was a christian, until Allah soften her heart to accept Islam at her old age. my wife now was a christian and Allah soften her heart to accept Islam. she lives in London and so you are not unique in your story. When you factor Allah out of your affairs, satan will make evil look as avenue of success. I guess thats what we are saying. and we all see around us non muslim marriages collapsing even more frequently than between muslim spouses. I dont have to educate you since your mom's non muslim friend must have been married before, or a very late boomer.

Yawn.

If you have the guts, please say that I should caution my mom for dating a non muslim man. Please? Expose yourself as a doofus. There is nothing you can say. You married a christian woman and now you dont want a christian to marry your daughter? Hahaha.


Furtherore, you can lie all you want, when I see the statistic showing that muslims have the lowest divorce rates of all time, then you can claim so. You should realise that muslims have the highest rates ofn homour killing in UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Europe

maclatunji: ^I think you're wasting your time.

Not everyone is impatient like you?

LagosShia: Your points have bigger holes.take the issue of muslim females marrying non-muslim men.if we are to go about opposing your point in support of muslim women marrying muslim men,then we can also sound more stubborn.all you have done is to build the notion that it is unfair not to allow non-muslim men marry muslim women.from that point you built a castle of words and counter-arguments.you have convinced me least why I should give my daughter to a non-muslim when I can find good muslim men.your confidence is an illusion.so all the talk aside,points and counter-points,this issue is a matter of choice.you got your point (fairness) why muslim women should marry non-muslims and we have many points why we oppose that.the choice is yours as it is ours to make and choose our stance.

If I may ask,are you married? And is your wife christian or muslim? Please answer honestly.thanks.

I am not married. Was engaged but broke off the engagement. My Arab fiancee's family was too racist. Still looking for that special one.
Your first paragraph did not make any sense.

LagosShia: Paul was fake.he paganized christianity and changed the teachings of Jesus (as).there are many threads on nairaland on Paul and the muslim view.

Even more blasphemy? The Cathedral near my Work place is called St Paul's cathedral. You should be respectful of other people's religion before you start claiming respect and blasphemy laws for islam.

Paul the Apostle (c. AD 5 – c. AD 67; variously referred to as "the Apostle Paul" or "Saint Paul",[3] also known as Saul of Tarsus,[4] is perhaps the most influential early Christian missionary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle


You are not even a muslim scholar and so, stop acting like a christian scholar.

LagosShia: I think we shouldn't waste our time arguing with you.we should rather use time to constructively provide you with knowledge to open your eyes.as you can see I only answered 3 points in your long argumentative post and deleted the points I wouldn't waste time with.

You should please consult wikipedia and find out about Qom.even though you said it has nothing to do with Muhammad (sa) and you're wrong,I mentioned that you should make a visit because it is a very big centre of learning and islamic theology.it is the "vatican of islam".

Qom? I rather go to Zamfara state.

I am not a shia muslim.

vedaxcool: Lol! You r sounding like logicboy, gay right activist.
And the contradiction goes on.

On one hand you don't want to tell a grown up woman who to date on the other you want ask your grown up brother what he thinks about his action which contradicts your lies about "who are you" to question others. Yet you clearly wrote we could tell them what the Qur'an says about their actions? You see you couldn't bring yourself to answer the question regarding what principle do you live by, since it seems fraught with contradictions?

Another question, why do you think mr. Logicboy Sleek Allah forbid homosexuality? And what do you think is suppose to be muslim's role towards homosexuality something their lord have condemned and why do you think God created man.

So I am now a gay rights activist? What is your problem sir?

I said that I do not support gay rights and it is not my business what someone else does whether gay or straight.


You want to create a contradiction by all means. When did asking someoene's opinion mean controlling someoene's lifestyle? So if I ask my neice about her non-muslim boyfirend, it is the same as stopping her from marrying the boyfriend? Or asking someone about his lifestyle is the same as stopping his lifestyle?


You must have some reasoning problems. May Allah guide you!

To all,

If you cant handle me (a very liberal muslim), how are you going to handle a kaffir who is out the verbally destroy islam in a debate? Seriously, I am not happy.

To be honest, I am not even that confident in my points but you guys seem to be less confindent than me. Notice that I was not even sure of myself when I opened my first thread but now, I am arguing with you guys with confidence. It is not that I am smart or smarter than prophet Mohammed, the problem is that some of the arguments that I have seen on this threads have too many holes that even I can rebutt.


Unfortuantely, I dont know what the topic for this fridays debate will be because, it useually agreed on on Wensdays. I a off work for 2 days (today and tommorow) to enjoy my country's independence.

I will inform yo guys on the debate!

olawalebabs: all the best in your reasoning adventure.

Thank you!

vedaxcool: Oh, I s"l"ee"k", sleeky sleek.

Actually I ask the question because, from your post you indicated that who are you to try to tell your sister how to live her live, and my assumption is same goes for the homosexual, I mean using the premise of "who are you", who are we to explain what the Qur'an says or to abhor what fully grown men decides to choose to do? You don't support death penalty for homosexuality, good, but why should be concerned with what they do since who are you to tell a grown woman who to date, so who are you to tell a grown man what to date? My point is let's assume you had a brother (a big God forbid to what I am about say) engages in homosexuality, using the who are you clause, I understand you would perfectly ignore your brother vile activities and just let him do as he will. Now if your answer is no, wouldn't you be contradicting yourself , and if your answer is yes wouldn't you be contradicting the Qur'an principles which clearly forbids homosexuality? The same Qur'an you gorded lagoshia to provide as evidence for sentencing your buddy rushdie. Which leads us to the all important question, really are you just planning to live your life on sleek principles? and more precisely what principles do you live by?

Wow.....why did you think I said "maybe" or "i dunno"? If man chooses to be homosexual, it is his business and not my business. I dont support it and it is none of my business.

I have no idea on what to do about gays. I am not a gay but we should not kill them.

There is no contradiction in my stance. I dont believe that I should go and disturb a gay man. I dont know what a gay man is thinking.



Please, dont act like a smarty pants!



If I had a gay brother I would ask him about what he really feels about being gay and being a muslim. If he loves being gay, then it is his choice as an adult. I cant help him.


No contradiction. You have suceeded in trying to play a smart one on me and failed.



Th quran doesnt say that we should murder gays, does it?

olawalebabs: the comments i made are the word of Allah. Moreover, i see you as being confuse, you confess to being a muslim and you don't really know what it entails.

You are not Allah and neither are your words.

I am a muslim and the Quran tells us to reason. I reason

vedaxcool: Lol! this would probably go down as one of the most hilarious thread of the year 2012, it seems to frustrate respondents and op alike.

Abdul sleek or should it be sleeky abdul cause Abdul sleek reads servant of sleek, and sleeky abdul would read sleeky servant and u know ur username does really sound sleek.

Anycase, Abdul"sleek" I understand you support homosexuality, No?

My name is Saleek but the British call me sleeky Sleek.



Support homosexuality? No! I dont support homosexuality but we shouldnt kill them with the death penalty. Maybe we should explain the Quran to them....I dunno

maclatunji: ^Yawns.

*Sighs*

LagosShia: I'm sure you have no right to designate anyone as "extremist muslim".muslims have the right to protest even if they're so angelic they can't harm a fly! You cannot tell me the protesters who died rejecting humiliation and mockery of their beliefs are "extremist muslims".are you better than them who risked their lives to protest in the street because of Islam? No you're not.

Rushdie is not only an extremist but an inhumane beast who knew what he was doing and still did.any responsible person would know what offend others and avoid it.what was rushdie trying to achieve in the end?

Do you call killing publishers and translators "protesting"?


Rushdie is a bit crazy for writing his anti-islamic book but he is not an extremist. An inhumane beast is someone like yourself that is hungry for his head.

olawalebabs: so you are embarras by the word of Allah? Seriously, what you need is deep knowledge of the religion. Seek for real knowledge and apply logic to it. Islam is the most logically religion you can find around.

I am embarrassed by your comments not Allah.

Islam is the most logical religion? Many of my muslim co-workers say the same thing and yet they have no idea what hindu or Bhuddism are.

I am nor disagreeing with your comments. I hate comments that are not backed up.

LagosShia: That goes to show one thing: you've being arguing blindly.perhaps you think people in other part of the world are foolish and life begin and end in your place of work.

All it shows is that I am ready to say sorry and admit that I am wrong. Unlike you. Sheik Rushdie Killer

Sit down and think. You and others who couldnt state their points had to run to numerous websites to answer my questions. I had to read so many links. Forgive me I read ALL of them and summarized their points.

You see, if you could argue your points rather than run to websites that have long essays and essays to explain a simple issue, I wouldnt have summarised all the points together.


I am very justified in my actions but I still said sorry. After all, the "hell argument" was still a central point used in the topic of non-muslimj marriage. Let me give you numerous links with essays and lets see how you fare.

LagosShia: I really don't know how you reach your conclusions.how many times have you said "sorry" in your two threads? Who's asking you to force your religion on anyone? First for a muslim girl to even think of bringing a non-muslim guy home (without letting him know of her religious concern) reflect the un-islamic way of life she has lived and the home she's coming from.

If you think your niece isn't your daughter,then let her father guide her or her mother or a responsible brother who is a practicing muslim.

"Sorry" is never used by a proud man who doesn't admit his mistakes. . It is not a sign of weakness but intelligence and respect.


I will hand over my neice to you since her father is dead. You have to pay her school fees and accomodation which cost some thousands of pounds.

You are quite arrogant to even imply that I m not responsible. If by responsible, you mean that I should stop paying my neices school fees , feeding her and advising her then giving her to a muslim bros just because he is muslim, THEN I AM PROUD TO BE IRRESPONSIBLE.

I am not going to control an adult woman's life. She can marry who she wants to marry and Ican only advice. You want to build a caliphate by not minding your business and forcing all muslim women to marry non-muslims. There is no compulsion in islam, remember?

LagosShia: You're free to think as you please.you should do us all a favor and teach the americans and british using drones daily in afghanistan,somalia,yemen and pakistan to kill innocent people.I also have a right to humanity and to protect my life as I deem fit.if a non-muslim female in europe doesn't want to marry me because I'm muslim and not christian or atheist,that's her choice and must be respected.you're brainwashed or getting brainwashed to the extent that humanity and right only have to do when it concerns non-muslims against your fellow muslims.you should promote also the fact that if a muslim lady doesn't want to marry a non-muslim,it is her right to decide.if your niece wants to marry a [b]stone worshipper [/b]I'm not bothered.it least bothers me.its your family and you're free to act as you please.

Oh, I was waiting for the "oh, the west is butthurting our muslim brothers in Afghanistan and Pakistan" defense. I do not support the Iraqi war or killing innocent muslims by the west and so, your point is a strawman.


Humanity and human rights. A woman can marry who she wants to marry. My prinicple goes both ways unlike yours. A non-muslim woman can marry who she wants to marry just a muslim woman should be able to marry who she wants to marry.

It is funny that you should mention "stone worshipper". Do you know what the christians call us when we say that they engage in shirk with their Jesus statues? Stoe Worshippers of the Kaaba! Ironic isnt it?

LagosShia: I don't need anyone to become muslim because of woman.if you become a muslim because of anything,you will leave islam because of anything.but if you become muslim because of Allah,the mountains will fall and your heart wouldn't be shaken.a non-muslim is welcome for my daughter but not before I make sure his bones and blood are transformed into muslims over a period of time!his character matters too in this.but if he's going to marry my daughter to give me grandchild who is "paul" and "krishna" I'd rather do the "honor killing" on myself and rot in hell so my daughter's foolish desire is pleased.

Wow, you talk big but you have already failed. You dont even know if I am still a muslim or not and you think you can find out someone who is pretending to be a real muslim? LMAO. (By the way, I am still a muslim-just with doubts)

So, you would commit suicide and go to hell if your grandson's name is "Paul". Wasnt Paul a prophet in the bible? What does committing suicide solve? Are you okay?

LagosShia: I'm not bothered by what you think politically.and definition of foolishness varies.you've being quite foolish yourself in your unguarded utterances.so I'm not bothered about what you think about the political establishment in iran.

However I was not talking politics when I mentioned Qom.I was talking religion.

Qom has nothing to do with Muhammed (PBUH).You are quite ignorant. All Qom is is a conquered land by Umar.


Better start reading on islam and history.

maclatunji: Sorry, you're not half as intelligent as you think you are. Quite frankly, you seem not to be able to see beyond your nose.

If you couldn't figure out my last post. I shouldn't continue with you.

By the way, your belief or disbelief in Islam is your cup of tea, you're not doing anybody a favour. I am speaking based on your posturing on the 2 threads you created.

Ma Salam.

Was your last post written in code or parables? Can you build a near perfect system with islam as you claimed?

maclatunji: There's nothing "inevitable" about the boom-burst cycle you're defending. Indeed, by following the teachings of Islam in Economics. A near-perfect system can be obtained. I say near-perfect because human beings will always make mistakes in any activity they engage in.

olawalebabs: I believe the OP don't understand the meaning of Islam (not literal meaning), if not you'll not be asking some of this illogical questions. Using science to analyse islam is not 100% okay. Note that Islam is a religion of Signs and not Science.

I didnt even mention the big bang and evolution arguments that my co-workers were using. I only stated their arguments which had some common sense in them.


Imagine if I had actually used science?


I am really embarrassed by some comments by my muslim bros here.

LagosShia: Now we are going into definitions.I never encouraged killing anyone for blasphemy or apostacy because these two on their own have their punishment with God and not man (as there is no verse in the Holy Quran stipulating punishment by man).I said that often times these two are combined with treason which is punishable by an islamic court.the capital punishment for treason is legal in many if not most countries around the world be they muslim or non-muslim countries.

Whether you use suicide bombing or a gun or planes/drones as the US and britain do,terrorism is terrorism.I really don't want to go further because it is futile.but I must say salman rushdie is a terrorist.he used terror against civilians because he knew his scheme would lead to bloodshed of innocent protesters,even the peaceful ones killed by mistake during protests.

Salman Rushdie only wrote a book. The violence came from muslims with an extremist interpretation of the Quran.

LagosShia: I think you're becoming very silly.and that really shows you're deficient in both islamic knowledge and faith.I never spoke about hell.going to paradise or hell will be an issue to be decided by none other than God.that is what Islam taught me.even when I believe islam is the absolute and only truth and reality,I still do not as a human threaten others with hell.your words should be directed at bible thumpers and fanatical christians who market their beliefs with either the cross or hell fire.muslims don't sentence those who reject islam to hell.

I am afraid you're seriously misguided.I will not give my daughter to a non-muslim knowing that my grandchild would be known as "Paul" or "Krishna".may Allah (swt) spare my offspring of that curse! I reject that in the name of Allah the most compassionate the most merciful!!!

You're sacrificing or promoting to sacrifice the produce of our muslim daughters.that silly idea of humanity you're talking about is leading humanity astray.this issue as a muslim have to do with building an islamic society in this world and sound children before thinking about paradise.your landlord is a case on his own and each case is individual.the guideline of muslim women not marrying non-muslim is aimed at giving a unified policy to avoid the different possible negative outcomes that could result from such marriage.your idea of humane is lacking.islam came for the betterment of the human being.your idea of humane is compromising the spiritual well-fare of the female muslim and her children and the islamic society at large to please non-muslims.to hell with what your non-muslim co-workers think.if you like join them in hell too! I don't care.my daughter will marry a non-muslim over my dead body.I'd rather commit suicide and rot in hell myself than witness that day.and please no one should preach tolerance to me because islam is tolerance;and islam have made it easy for everyone by telling us in surat al-kafiroon that:"to you your religion and to me my own religion".

Mr.AbdulSleek,even though you claim to be Sunni,if you can financially afford it,I'd advice you to make an urgent visit to the holy city of Qom in Iran.please do even though mostly it is Shia that go there.my advice is for you to see what a bastion of islam and a centre of islamic learning and spirituality looks like.Qom is where Lauren Booth (sister-in-law of Tony Blair) was inspired to embrace Islam.go there to seek knowledge and then come back to give us your testimony.till then hold your peace!

Sorry about the mention of hell. Someone on this thread or the other thread gave me a link that included going to hell as a reason and I mixed it up with your link.


The argument still remains the same. I am a human before a muslim. I am a human with or without islam. I can not force my religion on someone else. If my niece feels like marrying a non-muslim, I am not her father and there is nothing that I can do other to advice her to at least make sure the man can financially and emotionally take care of her.


The problem with you LagosShia, is that you put religion before humanity. Your comment shows that you think that non-muslims are not human. If non-muslims treated us in the same way, what do you think would have happened to muslim minorities in the West? Imagine someone taking your women and yet you cant take their women. Cheating much?


If your daughter comes home with a non-muslim, what are you going to do? Disown her? You need to live in reality. There are some of my co-workers who said that they would only become muslim until after the marriage. That is the outcome that you are gunning for. It is not hard for someone who is desperately in love to do such a thing to win the heart of an intolerant father in-law (like yourself).



And lastly, Iran is one of the most foolish examples of a muslim country. They are an embarrassment to the muslim world, just like Saudi Arabia and their totalitarian version of Islam.

maclatunji: You have a very narrow mindset indeed. Sorry if I have offended your sensibilities but by my training, I am a Marketer, Accountant, Economists, Management theorist and more all rolled-up into one package. You do learn about Product Life Cycle in Economics because it's a key part of decision-making at Microeconomics level. I agree it's a concept owned by Marketing but there are many concepts like that that pervade Management and Social Sciences.

There's nothing "inevitable" about the boom-burst cycle you're defending. Indeed, by following the teachings of Islam in Economics. A near-perfect system can be obtained. I say near-perfect because human beings will always make mistakes in any activity they engage in.

My muslim bros, you are the one sounding hurt. I actually like you because you seem like a straightforward guy. However, you are naive. Seriously, what you are claiming to be is quite impossible except you have 3 separate degrees and possibly, a professional qualification in accounting. You dont have to lie just to be on par with my intelligence/qualifications. .
You would fail at an interview by claiming such because you'd only sound like a fraudster (who the heck can claim to be an economist, accountant, management theorist and a marketer?). Mind you, I have a general knowledge of each category of business but I dont claim to be what I am not.

Concerning a near perfect system with islam, let us be practical. You failed to show me a muslim majority country that doesnt engage in riba.

Tell me, can you grow an economy from reading the Quran and hadith? The very idea and fundamentals of economics, marketing and management that we are discussing. came from the minds of western thinkers (and Japanese, especially for management/operations management).



For you to even believe that you can avoid a boom and bust cycle in an economy with islam, you must be quite a fanatical muslim. It is impossible to avoid a recession or slowdown in economic activities. Economic growth is quite paradoxical, an economy grows to a certain point only to fall on itself due to being unable to meet the demands of such growth

andromida: Enlightening. Is this submission to Allah? Taking lives of anyone who has a contrary opinion to the Quran or killing anyone you perceive has or is blaspheming the prophet and the Quran. Is this any different from terrorism?

Abeg, help me ask my muslim brother ooo

maclatunji: ^Guy, I actually don't care if you're the World Bank President. However, my point is the boom-burst cycle you're describing is analogous to product life cycle. Yeah! Your examples come from Macroeconomics, mine comes from Microeconomics. That's not even important, my point is that the fact that we can describe these cyclical patterns does not mean we're happy with them. What we human beings want is a boom-boom cycle. The fact that you're here trying to justify and glorify the boom-burst cycle is testament to the limitation of human intellect, the quicker you accept this the better for you.

You have no point bros.

Product life cycle is what you learn in marketing not economics.


These "cyclic patterns" are not a testament of the limitation of human intellect,they are an inevitable situations. Faith is the limitation. When human knowledge fails, turn to miracles instead of improving the knowledge.

You dont seem very versed in economics. Please dont advice anyone on Riba again.

maclatunji: LOL. I would love you as a manager to run a product into decline within the product life cycle and see if you won't be kicked-out like a rabid animal. If recession and depression are as natural as you want to make them, the world wouldn't be making so much noise about them. I would love for you to go and have this cute talk on the streets of Athens.

As for Questioning God's existence, what did you find after your research?

Wow. Management and Economics are two separate branches of business for a reason. I was talking about economies and not firms. All economies will go through a period of recession. It is a never ending cycle. The organic cause of a recession in a capitalist system comes from interest, credits and trading of shares. When yo trade om a commodity that has no value or shift an asset that is toxic over a period of time, there will become a time when such asset or commodity will not be taken at its stated value but it's real value (Zero). With so much toxic assets and worthless commodities in the economy, the stock market crashes.


I cant believe I was even asking you for advice on riba. You dont even know economics. This is what islam has become. The blind leading the blind. Allah help us.



Concerning product life cycle, every sucessful product will reach a stage of maturity (its peak) and a decline. It is at the beginning of a decline that a company has to either rebrand, target a new market or find an exit strategy.



Please, I work in finance for a living in one of the biggest companies in london. Don't let me embarass you.


Furst time I questioned Allah's existence, I was young and so I asked my mom who reassured me that he was real and that he guided us through all the hardships we had faced. I accepted it.

Now as a man, Iam still researching and finding my way. For now, I still believe that there is something holding us humans together.

bukatyne: i m not brainwashing u. i was only correcting a wrong impression i gave u earlier. i wouldn't blame u if you don't understand, i don't understand some islamic concepts either. as for u thinking if i'm very intelligent or otherwise, it's ur opinion and not the fact. have a splendid day.

Christians logic? Hmm.....

have a nice day too

maclatunji: There's no problem to be had unless you want to create one for yourself and get confused. Those who are far more "logical and rational" than you were in charge of the global economy and they managed to put it in a fine mess. So, human "intelligence" does have its limits, even the most brilliant scientists know that some things cannot be explained rationally, that's why we have terms like "paranormal" and "supernatural".

I am a Management person myself and love empirical data and research. However, there are limits to their validity and reliability. That's when subjective research instruments are relied upon.

At this rate, you would very soon question the existence of your Creator.

You have to understand that modern economies follow a cycle of boom, recession and stagnation. Many people know this. Just because there was a recession, it doesnt mean that people didnt make millions from the financial crisis. There were people who bet against the market and made huge returns.
"For a few to be immortal, many must die"


When we reach limits to our knowledge, what do we do? Find more knowledge or Seek miracles?


There is no logical justification for saying that non-muslims shouldnt marry muslim women when we muslim men can marry non-muslims. None. The christian can also say that we shouldnt marry their women but they can marry our women. Imagine that happens in places where muslims are a minority.


Concerning questioning the existence of our creator, it would be a sad thing if you admit that you havent questioned his existence. A thinking man must question and think.

@ LagosShia,


All your links and responses add up to the same thing;

-Men are the head of the house and daddies of women and religion. Not so. A woman can be married to a non-muslim and keep her faith. I have seen it in the case of my landlord.

-The children. Oh no, the children must be muslim! That is up to the parents and non of your business. We do not live in the village where privacy is non-existent and the community is very closely knit. The mother might decide that the children should be raised as muslim, the mother may not. The couple can choose and decide what they can negotiate with each other. Love and humanity come before religion. If religion is inhumane then it is useless.

-Hell! shaytan! The husband is going to hell!. When the argument fails, threaten with hellfire. Sorry, but i believe that going to heaven or paradise is based oon merit and not by marrying a muslim or reading the Quran alone. Every good person is in paradise and not only people who can read the Quran. Bin Laden read the Quran as well

Ha! I finally learnt how to quote properly!

Sweetnecta: @Abdulsleek: Is there a need for my own "logic" when Allah has stated His Position about women and marriage.
Muslim woman must marry only muslim man.
people of the books women can marry muslim man.
other women can not marry muslim man until becoming from one of the two groups, above.

I put the part in bold so that yo can see why some people see we muslims as brainwashed. Allah gave us brains to think. We need logic, Allah shoundt be illogical.

Tha being said, I can not agree with things that do not make sense.

Sweetnecta: I though she is in college so that she can carry her own water? Why not tell her to marry a believer who can love her as a mate, considering her as equal in the marriage, able to be financially be responsible for her and show kindness? The benefit of marrying a muslim for a woman is that her right of worship will be respected instead of frustrating her so much so that she begins to "doubt" and may actually lead to converting out. Why allow satan a place to sit in your life and you have to struggle to get rid of him? If this is all I list, it is a way towards ending in paradise, instead of hell.

So all non-muslims are going to hell. You should see the laughter this generated in my office debate. How tolerant is such a view to non-muslims? Personally, I think that people should go to heaven and hell by merit and not by belief. If a hindu does good and lives a good life, he should go to heaven. Paying zakat and marying a muslim woman should not guarantee one a road to heaven.

Sweetnecta: @Abdulsleek: Is there a need for my own "logic" when Allah has stated His Position about women and marriage.
Muslim woman must marry only muslim man.
people of the books women can marry muslim man.
other women can not marry muslim man until becoming from one of the two groups, above.


But Allah can tell you who you can not marry and who you can. Are you going to obey Allah or not in this matter you are so passionate about?


don't be naive. there are beautiful women who are muslims and single, still. I will marry only muslim women and thats my position and I am neither a bigot nor a cheat if i find a non muslim woman and tell her to become muslim if she wants to be my wife. I dont know about you, we have nigrian, african, indeed muslim women in England who are beautiful and single still. WHats your style or are you not ready but debating the issue you are not prepared for?


Just because a man is wealthy in haraam business does not make it right. I will not participate in giving my women folks away to disbelievers. And I am as liberal as they come. But I have my stand; as long as it is within Islam. non muslim husband of muslim wife is against sharia and we have seen people who refuse to marry, yet they have happy homes 40 years and counting with grown up children, now left with empty nest. does it make it right to be unmarried even though you are happy "couple"? Please firm up your priority within what Allah Prescribes.


so what? Its shameful that a woman keeps a baby in the womb, she is a believer and the baby is not because the man who mounts her is not a believer. why would she allow a disbeliever to mount her? I will not mount a disbelieving woman. If I end up in Paradise, I do not want my spouse in hell is my weakest argument about my position.


while honor killing is not part of Islam, the right of Allah you at least tell that to your niece. or is she allowed to marry a hindu too even as she wears hijab and kimar? Do you at least have a limit and have shame about something or you just do what you want, even in front of everybody? the right of your niece must be under the Right of Allah, or is it above the Rights of Allah? How do you say you are a muslim, yet disregard the Commandment of Allah on marriage?


I though she is in college so that she can carry her own water? Why not tell her to marry a believer who can love her as a mate, considering her as equal in the marriage, able to be financially be responsible for her and show kindness? The benefit of marrying a muslim for a woman is that her right of worship will be respected instead of frustrating her so much so that she begins to "doubt" and may actually lead to converting out. Why allow satan a place to sit in your life and you have to struggle to get rid of him? If this is all I list, it is a way towards ending in paradise, instead of hell.

Well, I have to disagree with Allah then. What if I told you that my mom is dating a white man who is a non-muslim? Should I caution my mom? Someone who raised me on her own. My mom is 43 and she has her own house and has raised her child (me). Who am I or anyone to tell her who she can marry? My father, a muslim man with 3 wives was maltreating my mother. The white man my mom is dating and soon to be engaged with has been nothing but an angel to my mom and I.



So when I talk about non-muslim marriage dont think that I woke up one day to insult Allah.