₦airaland Forum

Liamm: . Can it fly?

Yes, but needs expanding the room leg for a longer ''flight''. Otherwise you come down with leg cramp from folding your legs for God knows how long.

lol. Home grown tech

Photos: Igbo people constructing ''aeroplanes'' (Flying Objects) since 200 BC

This was made in Abia State, 2014

What Nigerians in Nigeria see on Western TVs about AA celebrities is deceptive. For every Kanye West you see on TV, there are 100,000 AAs living a lifestyle diametrically opposite to Kanye West's that you do not see on TV.

redsun: I don't see them any different from Africans in Africa or anywhere in diaspora. It is the same problem of misunderstanding the fundamentals of what keep species alive. The same problem of not knowing that the answers lies in themselves.

I know that Ebola, Boko Haram and other radical islamic groups in East Africa and elsewhere are ruining the show for Africans back home, but most Africans in Africa don't feel besieged by other humans beings. This is what practically all AAs feel on daily basis.

And, of course there is a clear difference between Africans in America and African Americans. I live it, I know it. Many AAs are just counting bridges (as we speak in Nigeria) while Africans living in America are helping to build the bridge, and in the process, taking away any take-able part of the bridge. Every morning I look out of my office window into the many parks surrounding my workplace and I see 1000s of AAs, old and young, male and female, just milling around, not having any work to do. In contrast, whenever I take a metro or bus ride to work, I see 1000s of Africans of all walks of life struggling to get to work here in America.

redsun: It is all about creation my brother. The ability to reproduce keeps a people going.

But reproduction has to be matched with the desire and actual effort to uplift your (and future generation's) well being. This is where I pity African Americans. 30-40 million of them, but you can hardly find one million of them who have risen above the fray (so to speak). They appear very much like their own enemies, together with the white law enforcement that pick them off slowly but steadily. I feel they are the most endangered group on earth.

quid: Agreed.
And those attempting to hold Igbos down within Nigeria are getting serious diminishing returns.

No doubt. It is pinching everyone, more so the holders.

quid: The world is much bigger than Nigeria, and Igbos are doing great outside Nigeria.

As for Nigeria, the bitter lesson is that NO COUNTRY CAN BE RUN ON THE BASIS OF PUTTING PEOPLE DOWN.

The mess is present-day Nigeria is the result of a simple Karmic exercise of reaping the fruits of idi0tic, tribalistic policies.

Just reproducing below my prior response:

With Igbos in particular, our survival will rest to a large extent on our innate ability to spread our tentacles in different geographical locations. No matter what the enemy does to a set of Igbos in one geographical location, there are many more Igbos elsewhere to repopulate grin grin grin. Just find some way to secure the homeland, for history's sake.

redsun: Not all species are in to last,see fall on the way side if they can't keep up.

It is the law of natural selection,adaptations and the survival of the fittest. If you must live,you got to think and work hard.

Of course it's a rat race. Survival of the fittest is the game. With Igbos in particular, our survival will rest to a large extent on our innate ability to spread our tentacles in different geographical locations. No matter what the enemy does to a set of Igbos in one geographical location, there are many more Igbos elsewhere to repopulate . Just find some way to secure the homeland, for history's sake.

quid: If Igbos are being decimated in any sense, then why are the Yorubas and others losing sleep and getting nightmares ?

You should know that if those groups you mentioned don't do what they can to keep Igbos in check (at least politically), we would be all over Nigeria running things. And, although the Yorubas seem to harbor a certain, strangely unexplained, feeling about the Igbos, they have not directly done anything to suggest that they are intent on decimating Igbos.

But please could we keep the Yorubas out of this. Not about ruining this thread with their caustic invasion. Thanks.

hushmail: if my understanding of endangered is correct

none of the groups

Thanks. Care to make a comparative explication of your position, even if brief?

obiajuru01: you can through more light, in what ways are igbos decimated?

Dude, I am done with you. Thanks

quid: 3,000 deaths out of 30 million is not decimation

Was it 3,000 Igbos that were killed during Biafra? and How many since then and even before?

BTW, my emphasis is on ''systematic'' not any overt, decimation. Hope it's clear. Thanks

obiajuru01: you would have been wise if you had made your point without trading insults. What makes one civilized is the ability to engage in an argument without foul words, this is why I don't like making comments on nairaland, I take my stance, igbos aren't one of the most endangered groups in the world, OP is very myopic, he/she barely has an in-depth knowledge about various groups of the world.

Aren't you are hypocrite? You just finished referring to me as a tribalist and a sentimental person. Now you are ranting and raving, when cooked in your own pot? Now you even called me myopic?

obiajuru01: I personally think igbo shouldn't be on that list, igbo tribe are the most successive tribe since about four decades, the rate @ which they bounce back from the civil war aftermath is admirable, igbo tribe is meeting up with other parts of nigeria. And the reason why OP will add igbo to his list is definitely because igbos are successful.

Igbos, like African Americans are being systematically decimated. Like the Jews, we are successful, no doubt. But does that negate the fact that Igbos, again, like Jews, are imperiled in many ways?

oduastates: Even the trado test their herbs on themselves and their family .
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And what did they infect themselves with before the test? Dude, you still live in the stone age. Wake up to the 21st Century.

obiajuru01: Hmmm, igbo? Op is a tribalist and a sentimental fellow, he instigated this thread to make jest of igbos.

I am tempted to say that you are a little bit senseless. Are you more Igbo than I am? NE KWE NU ONYE A BIKO NU

Of all the groups of humans there, it's only Igbo you saw?

dont8: Oh not everyone is affected you say?

But remember this, when your neighbour's wall breaks, your own is in danger!

Hehehe! Still does not apply universally. I, for example, don't share a wall with no neighbour.

dont8: Ok, my last take, don't you know we're all an endangered species already?

How so? Not everyone has Ebola, not everyone is starving, not everyone is being bombed, not everyone is being shot at.

dont8: I've answered your questions, what next?

No you have not

Quid and dont8, please stop ruining (yes ruining) my thread.

quid: I only helped to expand the scope of your question .

Okay, now please answer both the old question and the expanded one. Thank you

dont8: America will know the answer to your questions, just pray they don't kill us all.

America killing Systematically since 200 AD.

There was no America in 200 AD . So can you please answer my question? Which Of Those Human Groups Is The Most Endangered?

quid: 6) Sunni killing Shia

7) Shia massacring Sunni

8.) Sunnis annihilating Sufis

9) Shias murdering Wahhabis

10) Sunnis decimating Tijaniyas

11) Iran destroying Iraq


12) Iraq pulverizing Iran.

etc .

Can you answer my question please? Which Of Those Human Groups Is The Most Endangered?

1. African Americans (killed by white cops and by themselves- hundreds of black youths get killed by other blacks in Chicago alone, yearly)
2. Muslims (killed by Western and Israeli bombs in the fight against terror, and, especially, by themselves [e.g., ISIS fighting and killing fellow muslims in the Middle East; Boko Haram killing fellow muslims in Nigeria])
3. Christians (killed in virtually every country where radical muslims have a hold on)
4. Jews (attacked by islamic terrorists incessantly)
5. Igbos (killed by radical muslims for religious and electoral reasons in Northern Nigeria, even after the civil war of donkey years ago ended)

In this viideo, Gowon claims not to be politician. Yt later on in his life he contested for the position of the president. So one can rightfully conclude that he played politics with the Oyibo interviewer

Both men will soon be meeting in the other world. Then Gowon can capture him there

oduastates: This vaccine you are talking about,has he ever had laboratory work done on a specimen of Ebola?
What were his test subject;rats,monkeys,dogs ,pigs etc
You cannot just bring a drug out and call it a vaccine unless you are a trado.
Even the trado test their herbs on themselves and their family .
Commonsense
The best way to prove this vaccine or medicine works ,
Iwu should be injected with Ebola and then let us test its efficacy if it is a medicine or

If it is a vaccine ,he should use his vaccine on himself and then get a dose of Ebola .

N:B no need for imported Ebola ,we get the Nigerian version.

Where did you read me talk about any specific vaccine? Read the opening thread very well. Surely more needs to be done, but Iwu would not be doing research with his own personal resources. As obtained in other countries, government needs to fund translational research and connect Iwu and others like him to other players such as doctors (for clinical tests) and pharmaceutical companies (for drug manufacturing). It is not even about Ebola only, as there are numerous other diseases that our indigenous plants can tackle.

space booked in case this makes fp

If given the institutional support, Iwu and others like him may be able to produce a real Nigerian treatment (trt)for Ebola

No doubt, Prof Maurice Iwu could arguably be described as the most accomplished biomedical scientist living in, and operating from, Nigeria. If we overlook his failed foray into politics, we cannot help but appreciate how far he has come in the area that he has his greatest strength: ethno-pharmacy.
Working with national and international colleagues, he has co-authored well over 60 research papers in international journals, some as recent as 2012 on the potential use of indigenous plants in medicine and pharmacy. All of this he has accomplished from his operational base at Nsukka, Enugu State, Nigeria.

I made a little bit of online research and was quite impressed with his intellectual record. If you have access (you may be required to register for this, especially with Web of Science) to PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed) or Web of Science ( http://apps.webofknowledge.com.dist.lib.usu.edu/summary.do?product=WOS&parentProduct=WOS&search_mode=GeneralSearch&parentQid=&qid=7&SID=2EKvMnYUB7D2SQ3UtHB&&page=1),

just type ''Iwu M'' on the space bar and you will see and perhaps be able to read some of his peer-reviewed research articles. Many are published in relatively high impact journals. So whether you believe it or not, the man is scientifically accomplished.

Now, reading through some posts made by folks in a Facebook argument, one particular comment caught my attention which I would like to reproduce below. Please pay more attention from the second paragraph

A lot is known about the medicinal potency of many native plants, including bitter kola. In Nigeria, Iwu is a big player in this endeavor. Iwu is, no doubt, an accomplished scientist even by considerable international standards. He has published numerous papers in the area of ethno-pharmacy. But he is not alone in this endeavor. He has Nigerian and international colleagues who have researched and co-published with him. Below I provide you with a few names of his past and present colleagues from Nigeria: Christopher Okunji, Godson Onunkwo, Anele Ngozi, Osonwa Uduma, Akpa Paul, K. Chah, Michel Tchimene, P., Akubue, Ononiwu I.

That being said, the problem I have is the fact that these laudable research studies have not gone beyond discovery and preliminary testing in microbes and mouse in some cases. Why is Nigeria not taking these things to the next level? Has Iwu (as a leader in this area) and his group asked for research funding from the government of Nigeria to conduct the needed research? If so, were they denied funding, and why? Has he tested these plant extracts in model ''human-like'' organisms such as monkeys? Following that, has he collaborated with actually doctors to conduct clinical tests in humans? If so, what are the results? Following that, did he discuss with pharmaceutical companies to produce drugs from these plants?

In this 2014, we cannot continue with subsistence medicine (such as suggesting that people should chew raw bitter cola to boost their immune system and thereby preventing infection or something like that) when we can research, discover, identify active ingredients, isolate them, test their potency in pure form in model organisms, conduct clinical trials, and then formulate drugs that are well labeled with doses and other clinical information.

You will come down with some toxicity issues or even die, if you continue to take bitter kola in an unregulated manner because you do not have any idea of what dose you need for a preventive measure, let alone a curative one.

I agree 100% with the above quoted material, and I was quite disappointed reading that Iwu went on TV saying that you can be chewing bitter kola to boost your immunity against future diseases. Beyond chewing raw herbs, nuts, and fruits for medicinal purpose, my own question is, why is the Nigerian government incapable of funding translational research? Or is the government actually doing so, but our scientists such as Iwu are simply incapable of translating their basic research, where they have any, into applied stuff that can contribute more to the well being of Nigerians? Knowing what we know about the antimicrobial properties of many plants in Nigeria, why do we not have pharmaceutically manufactured drugs from these plants that can be used to cure certain diseases, possibly even Ebola? When this current Ebola outbreak is gone, is Nigeria simply going to continue with business as usual or it will start funding more research on these native plants and their potential to be transformed into real medicines?

Below are partial screenshoots of the first pages of the 2 websites where I searched for Iwu's name.

ofeco: it is regrettably lugubrious that we (Africans ) are bereft of ideas, I feel pained by the fact that I cannot help out either, @ op what should we do?

Not all Africans but many Africans in living Africa, especially their leaders.

See awards na; she worked hard for every single one of them. What a sad loss. Rest in Peace and may your kind populate Nigeria soon, rather than the thieving elites that hold power today.