₦airaland Forum

thev0ice1:
once again, you're trying too hard. there's a difference between fighting a war and stopping a palace coup. You're desperately clutching at straws with this point.

If you're admitting BH has already infiltrated jonathan's govt hence possibility of a coup by shekau even today, then i might empathize with your point.

Then with the way GEJ govt has bastardized the military, it's very possible we could wake up tomorrow and here BH have abducted him right from inside the villa

No it is easier to stop a palace coup than to fight asymetric war. If he could not protect himself from ordinary palace coup, how will he fair well in face of faceless aggression?

Whynotthetruth:
lolz... when they go to court now; Liar Mohammed will start crying foul again... but then again; if buhari isn't interested in peace and reconciliation committee in Nigeria, what is he then coming to do Don't you think it is a slap on our collective integrity and a rape of our sanctity of memory of justice and progress So what change is he screaming if he isn't interested in peace and reconciliation what's the essence of democracy if he's not answerable to the masses Oputa panel was the peoples court of mass reconciliation, peace, and harmony for a new Nigeria... so why did buhari shun the court of the masses

Like they have paid a judge to deliver a judgement against the saint without certificate!

IanDiamonds:
Do you live im the past?.. This was how things was done then.. We're talking of scenarios that happened over 20 years ago...

I don't live in the past but if i present a woman who killed his husband 20 years ago, will you marry her?

By the way, we do not live in the past but you guys are touting him based on his fraudulently acquired integrity toga and you want us to forget the accompanying atrocities?

That selective amnesia my friend and it is not good for the nation. History is kept so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past.

IanDiamonds:
@bolded shows uncertainty.... @Op carefully carved out the part of Buhari's statement that suited his argument...
Rember the thread reads I Can't Comply With The Constitution & Function Properly- Buhari . This statements bears to most readers that buhari asserted that he (Buhari) can't comply with the constitution WHEN elected President. This would be misleading as Buhari was referring to the situation he worked upon when he was HOS and not withthe current democratic setting we're in. Hope you get where the contradiction was born

Tell me the different between the title

and if we did not suspend the constitution then, it would have been difficult for us to operate under those circumstances

What is the difference?

barcanista:
I don't like to repeat myself. Oputa panel is not a court or tribunal. It is not known to the law. It was only a truth and reconcilliation commission. Like padi-padi things. No one is bound to honor it. Buhari has no case to answer, whoever feels otherwise should go to court

He did not want to reconcile with anybody then because he thinks he did nothing wrong and yet he won't want to be associated with the atrocities he committed. That amounts to eating your cake and trying to have it again.

Look at this statement again @theV0ice

'if we did not suspend the constitution then, it would have been difficult for us to operate under those circumstances"

Interprete it your way. You know I respect you because you admit and say the truth.

thev0ice1:
No my friend. that post doesn't answer it

It did bro, it did!

thev0ice1:
You're trying too hard my friend. A palace coup is what it is...a palace coup. Granted he got outwitted by IBB and his team but that must be the reason IBB outwitted the entire country for 8 years. The maradona is good.

Then he is not good enough intelligencewise and should not say, what is bokoharam when he could not protect himself from IBB.

The Boko guys are wittier and more dangerous than IBB. It means the will steal him from his bed

thev0ice1:
Has David Mark apologised for saying telephones are not for the poor when he was communications minister under IBB? How many apologies has IBB himself made over his annulment of june 12?

Of course he believes he has something to offer the nation that's why he's contesting. what where you expecting? Is he older than presidents worldwide who made marks on their country in old age?

David mark is not running for presidency. When he runs, we will ask that question.

For now it is left for people Benue to ask him that question.

If you present yourself for an elective post, you are presenting yourself to be examined with microscope by your opponent.

Now lets talk about Buhari my friend

thev0ice1:
Is David mark, the senate president and no 3 man in govt today fit for democracy? hope you remember the posts he held in the military era and his antecedents as one of the IBB boys? What about Ahmadu Alli, jona's campaign director? is he also for for any role in a democracy? What about Tony Anenih? Is he also fit for democratic practice with his police antecedents?

Mention one military ruler that works with the full constitution.

I responded to this above

agabaI23:
His problem is not just that he was in the army, his problem is more of his person than his military training.
He is a self righteous and tenacious individual who does not believe he is wrong. he has refused to apologise for his truncating of democracy.
He refused to present himself to Oputa panel like other Generals who believed they are above the law.
He still thinks he is the messiah sent by God to salvage Nigeria the reason why he has not produced any other Buhari to take his place at this freaking age.

thev0ice1:
What do you think about David Mark the senate president? He was a military governor under Buhari and a military minister under IBB.

Do you consider him a democrat?

When you're done with that, tell me how GMB if he gets elected as president will suspend the constitution and rule by decrees as a democratically elected president

His problem is not just that he was in the army, his problem is more of his person than his military training.

He is a self righteous and tenacious individual who does not believe he is wrong. he has refused to apologise for his truncating of democracy.
He refused to present himself to Oputa panel like other Generals who believed they are above the law.
He still thinks he is the messiah sent by God to salvage Nigeria the reason why he has not produced any other Buhari to take his place at this freaking age.

IanDiamonds:
Its impotant you read bro... we all paid to be be learned... go read about Martial Laws...and yes I agree with you... the Martial Govt is illegal....but remember you cant always fight evil with Good.

So you fight evil with evil abi?
How nice

Come, Buhari could not stop a palace coup and he has been boasting of using intelligence to fight Bokoharam.

If he was that good with inteligence, he would have kept his government for a longer period. He was a careless General.


If he could not protect his palace, how can he protect Nigeria from Boko haram except he is the sponsor anyway

thev0ice1:
agabal23 my friend.....you must find any which way to twist anything GMB says just to find fault

Enjoy your 15 mins in the spot lite

but when you're done, sit down very well and analyze what he said exactly and not what you read into it

You are welcome here my good friend. Tell me he did not say what I wrote? See the highlighted in the first post na. I do not lie!!!

That guy is not fit for democracy. He did not succeed when he was sole administrator, it now that he will be hounded with constitutional matter that he will. Never!!

barcanista:
Ibb never worked with the constitution. Which constitution did he work with?

At least one of .....
However he did. Remember he was a military president. Elections were conducted under him several times before the one of 1993.

IanDiamonds:
He didn't say... you misqouted deliberately that he said so..and you failed to state the conditions of which he "MIGHT" have said so...

A martial law superceeds the normal law..... if they we're to continue with the normal law that allows for corrupt practices, why declare a Martial Law in the first place..

I highlighted what he said. I am sure you saw. It is still there.

Supersedes? A martial law is abominable. It is does not supersede the constitution. It is a corruption on its own because it is an abuse of power.

Whynotthetruth:
I hate it when folks choose to manipulate the truth...What do you mean by Buhari suspended PART of the constitution How much does it cost to have the truth undiluted from guys like you

The point here isn't what the tradition is with military junta...but that buhari's highhandedness, intolerance, tyranny, dictatorship, & unjust treatment of the populace was legendary. And now that he is confronted with this truth from his past records; he's trying to run away and shift the blame to constitutional hiccups. That shows height of irresponsibility on buhari because he doesn't want to take responsibility for his actions. If he couldn't function under constitutional provisions then why now If he's Not proud of his actions then and doesn't want them tagged to him; why did he snob Oputa panel Why has not apologised to Nigerians His integrity and incorruptibility mantra from same regime should be dropped too if he doesn't want the negatives of same regime. They all go pari parsu...

Your head dey correct bro. That is exactly the truth as it is.

kevinberry:
Am wasting my time with you

Your choice

IanDiamonds:
Do you know what the term "Martial Law" means....
Read something before you start spewing your normal trash...

He said, not me, that he cannot function properly under the constitution. Those were his words not mine.

kevinberry:
You still can't confuse me
I said you should show me one military leader who is better than buhari and I will let you be

In terms of what?
Anyway we are talking about Buhari and Jonathan. Comparing them is doing Jonathan a disservice.

barcanista:
When Ironsi took power he suspended the constitution.
When Mubarrak too power in 1982 he did the same thing.
When Sisi took power in 2012 he suspended the constitution
GMB took power in 1984 and suspended Part of the Constitution.

FACT: No Military Junta upholds the constitution because they weren't given any mandate and wasn't elected. Hence, Buhari was on point . Cc Agabai23

They did not tell you that at least one of his successors worked with civilian constitution.

It means that dictators are not trained to work effectively under a constitution. That is why when a soldier returns from war from fMilitary service in the UK/US, he is subjected to reorientation so that he will be able to work with civilians.

kevinberry:
You don't have to promote the work of your mentor

If you cannot tell me how is own military regime is different from the rest military leaders

Then don't confuse me with your bullshi.t. Klumpks

No one is my mentor there.
Truth be told, he said he cannot function properly under democratic government

jayjay5oxide:
But its very bad ,,,,,if you guys have been watching NTA and AIT vividly,,,,,they focused on damaging Buharis Image and career,,,,

Have you watched Channels adverts on GEJ? If you do, you won't talk

udyheart01:
I still find it surprising that Buhari's wife could
donate N137 million to internally displaced
persons (IDP) in Adamawa, an action she has
never done before.
I have spent over N3000 recharge cards calling
people in Katsina State if she has ever donated
common mats to a mosque, but the answer
remains No.
She has never given any financial help publicly
that I know of, but all from the moon, she brings
out this evil donation. How did she get this
money when her husband, Muhammadu Buhari
borrowed N27 million just to pick the APC
presidential form?
This Greek gift is totally unacceptable,
condemnable and not to be tolerated in our
democracy. We should not encourage
emergency donors who bring money during
elections just to deceive the populace. She has
her home state, where she could have made
donations to, but she didn't, and went to
faraway Adamawa to give.
This is hypocrisy taken too far, a faux and a big
media goof. Whoever advised her in Buhari's
media team have only succeeded in taking away
some integrity and current shine that Buhari
enjoys and I hope my friends in the media
committee takes note. We cannot condemn the
PDP, while APC scream hypocritical change to
us. What manner of change is this? Charity
begins at home and it must begin long before
now.
Madam, your gift is not accepted even in
heaven.

Where did Aisha Buhari get 137 million from when his husband borrowed just 27 million to pick APC presidential form?

Where is the US to warn them the way they warned Asari and Tompolo? I am waiting for US warning.

barcanista:
Ogbeni, was Buhari democratically elected?

Does it change the fact that he said he cannot work properly under the constitution?

And even when the constitution was set aside, he was a disaster.

kevinberry:
Am glad you did not bother defending yourself as a political E-rats..


Now the answer to your. Question is another question

"You as a political E-rats,during your first time of being employed were your propaganda not published through newspaper back then before you were trained on how to use the net..

And compare it with this era where you guys are being housed in silos with uninterrupted. Power supply and data..

Do you still choose to go back to the newspaper era..I guess your. Answer will be no..

So is the situation of buhari,back then he was acting mainly by the rules of a military leader

And in this era,there is not such things..

Who wrote the rules for military leaders? The regime of a military is just the reflection of his person.
We have had other military leaders after him remember. He thrives on falsehood and has nothing to show.

Look at the attached. It was a newspaper article written by Prof Okey Ndibe when he was overthrown. Enjoy the read!

Adminisher:
This thread is for half educated PDP youths.
1. GEJ did not create sovereign wealth fund. Jonathan won't know what SWF was even if you put him in a classroom and forcefed O level economics into his brain for 4 years. Jonathan could never have had such an idea and would probably not ever have it in his other life. Sovereign wealth fund started from OBJ who bought the idea from either of Soludo or Okonjo Iweala who copied it from the GCC countries (Dubai dem) who copied it from British bankers. Please seek understanding and read wide. The fund in Obj' s time was well funded and had many other stakeholders contributing including Nigerians in diaspora and some rich state governments but if has since been looted by the Jonathan administration along with the Excess Crude Account. In fact every pile of money standing has been looted by the government including people's pension funds.

2. Reducing import tariffs on cars is something I DISAGREE with APC about but I suspect it is all due to figures on local production capacity. We are not producing up to 80000 cars a year but local demand is probably 300000 for now so there is room to fill I terms of capacity while the big auto companies establish properly their factories
If you don't reduce tariffs temporarily, these cars will be smuggled in from Benin Republic and Niger anyway and government will.lose the revenue.

3. LPG for power generation is a good idea. It is a product that comes from the refineries which the APC government has promised 80% availability using Nigerian engineers. Jonathan has presently run down the refineries so that his TAN members can continue to steal N1 trillion a year.
Power generation is currently hampered by the same natural gas that you are promoting. Almost every three months all power generation pipelines are sabotaged and because of this power generation has always dropped below 3500MW. LPG represents a temporary intervention before the vandals can be curtailed and Hydro power generation from Mambila and coal plants at Enugu which Buhari has promised come on stream.

4. You dint know enough to talk about rail. First of all Abuja Kaduna is not light rail. It is a new standard gauge medium speed (they are calling it erroneously high speed) rail line being built from scratch with Chinese money, Chinese steel, Chinese locomotives (possibly diesel) and Chinese coaches. The money is coming from China EXIM bank and it is good business for the Chinese and commendable effort from Jonathan's gov t. Where you get that cost of the project only God knows.

As for school feeding. It is a program most western countries support heartily. It will cause a boom in the agricultural industry, food processing, Mr Biggs/Tantalizer type businesses catering to schools and boosting Nigeria's GDP by as much as 3% above the growth rate now. Employment will be generated phenomenally. When the agricultural industry supports this for two years they develop scale economics to compete globally and Nigeria will become an exporter of many food items.

5. The Portharcourt light rail and both blue and red lines of light rail in Lagos will be completed in the life of the incoming APC administrations. The federal government has not supported the projects starting from the cruel Obj to the crooked Jonathan. Even the most important road from MMA International airport into Lagos which is the first impression of Nigeria has been rejected by the low minded, parochial PDP government an that is a Federal road.

Kai mana
1. What OBJ started was excess crude account. SWF was started by the clueless president. Why do you now select what to ascribe to him in his government?
2. thank God you agreed that no 2 is policy somersault
3. Those in the said that it is a very expensive project. The cost of producing the 20,000 mw that he promised will cost more than 15000% of the present cost. You can't defend this sir. It shows they have no plans on how to get things done.
4. This one, you are in agreement. Thanks
5. What help will the federal government give again? The FG approved the loan application by Lagos state. They have spent 208B with not much to show for it. Why are you dragging the FG into this.

The points raised by the OP are classic.

kevinberry:
You political E-rats won't seize to amaze me
You people keep calling someone an illiterate and yet simply English you can't comprehend..
I guess you forgot that. The person that ask him the question was talking about the past..and all the military leaders were all dictators..

And you come here and start confusing people with bullsh..it

"Sane people are now rare to find"
Keep up your political E-rats job,I heard you guys are currently fighting for the position of the best E-rats as demanded by your pay masters...

Kluumpks

I think you should address the point bro. No need for e-branding. I have not paid for that branding

olas24u:
All Politicians that was sentenced to prison by the 1984 Military Tribunal were found to either enrich themselves with public funds or diverted public funds. Non were convicted by fiat

That is what the APC told you to say?

Why was Shagari not imprisoned? A simple question?
Why was Awwal Ibrahim the Governor of Niger state not jailed? He was set free after just 2 weeks in house arrest when he was found with GBP14 million in cash at Heathrow airport?
Adekunle Ajasin was tried by a military tribunal and found innocent. Buhari ordered a fresh trial, he was found innocent again. Buhari changed the tribunal and tried him again. He was still found innocent. Buhari still jailed him.

Ekwueme was never tried by any military tribunal....

And can the grasshopper be innocent in the gathering of fowls?

olas24u:
The NPN government was very corrupt ,the economy was so bad as at that time and the military came to fight corruption,it was a revolution.It was a military rule and the function by decrees and not constitution,this was to stabilize the country maintain discipline ,law and order ,but the revolution was truncated it was just 18 months.But it succeeded in Ghana after .

I am sorry, you have not addressed the point. The point is that he could not function properly with the constitution. Is the army above the constitution? Subsequent military rulers worked with the constitution.

olas24u:
we have a National assembly ,we have a judiciary ,just like what GEj is trying to do now ,but there is a National assembly that will check him .that is just the same thing that will happen under Buhari

We do have those things that's my problem.
He said he cannot function properly under the constitution, that includes observing the separation of power.

He cannot, and that was why he suspended the constitution and and of course dissolved the national assembly.

You people claim that the circumstances in Nigeria is the same as it was when he destroyed democracy, if he could not function properly then, why will he function properly now?