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The first 5 are patently false!

Janetessy:
Hmmmmm



Never knew Google is an abbreviation

It isn't

Emusan:
I know you didn't but I just used that as an illustration.

Good, so your illustration was not well thought through

Adam was created which means Adam was brought into EXISTENCE at a particular time.

Sure

Does it make sense to say you want know the age of something that was just brought into existence?

Yes it does, when the size and functionality of every organ in the human body is directly correlated with their age. Ergo, it makes perfect sense to ask about Adam's age when he was created since he seemed to already have fully functional organs at "creation".

Lemme use this as an illustration, my phone was manufactured on 10th Jan, 2016
Now, does it make sense to ask, how old was my phone when it was manufactured on 10th Jan, 2016?

Manufacturing of mobiles is a demonstrable phenomenon which requires no leap of faith. Creating a fully functional human though, from clay...that's something else! So my friend, your illustration is manifestly a misapprehension of the import of my question!

Emusan:
Atheist won't cease to amaze us.

How can you ask this funny question.

Sorry, you don't ask how old was the universe before the Big Bang (as you believe) but how old was the universe after the Big Bang?

So the day Adam was created begins his life count.

Not sure what you're on about. I didn't use the word "before" in my question.

alBHAGDADI:
So adam was a sperm before he bacame man? Whose manhood produced the sperm?

Good question! So a question for you alBhagdadi. How old was Adam when he was "created"?

DeAvenger:
@AgentofAllah
The first verse is talking about Adam. Adam was created from clay.

That doesn't invalidate my question; unless Adam was Silicon and Aluminium based life form that happened to have Carbon based lifeforms as offspring.

This of course, would raise even bigger scientific questions for you and your holy science textbook my friend!

The claim in the verses you quoted is exactly the kind of garbage an illiterate man would say!

It claims man was "created from clay". If that were the case, clay and man should share the same chemical compositions, but man and clay couldn't be any more chemically distinct than they are.

The important elemental make up of clay include: Aluminium, Silicon and Oxygen; whereas the important elemental make up of humans include: Oxygen, Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Calcium, Phosphorus and Potasium (99%) and inconsequential traces of a few other elements forming the remaining (1%)

Now, you tell me, how is the claim that man came from clay scientifically accurate?

Wilgrea7:
so because there are contradictions i should disbelieve the story?

Yes, this is precisely why you should discard the whole story! Remember that the story is supposed to be divinely inspired...so you tell me, what do contradictory statements say about an omniscient god? One that can't seem get its shit straight?

really... i understand that there are tiny differences... but what of the details that are consistent?.. people obviously telling the story couldn't seem to remember everything 100%... but they had the 90% accuracy... so before u convince me to throw away the story cuz of the 10%, disprove the 90%

First of all, I don't know where you're getting your statistics from. I'm not even sure we're talking of the same bible anymore. Try reading the stories of Jesus' resurrection from the canonical gospels in parallel, and you'll readily find that the only point of agreement is probably the claim that Jesus resurrected. Otherwise, no two gospels agree on the remaining details. If anything, it's the contradictions that are 90%, not the other way around.
Secondly, (and you need to appraise yourself a little more honestly) supposing men of god are trying to tell a story about god, and they forget some of the detail of the all important event, will an honest god be pleased with them for applying "artistic license" to the story? By your own admission, there are inconsistencies in the stories, even if it's just 10%, this makes the stories besmirched by the lies of some/all of the writers. I ask you, what kind of savior condones lying on its behalf?
So again, you see that it's not me that should prove to you why you should discard the "90%", it's you that should explain why the "10%" inconsistencies haven't caused you to question the veracity of the so-called 90%!

Wilgrea7:


if i start now it will be as if I'm telling story..
history talks about some details in the canonical and apocryphal gospels.. reading both the canonical and apocryphal gospels... you can get some facts which are consistent.. like the divinity, and message of Jesus... you guys are ready to reject history when its against you... what exactly is your beef with the canonical and apocryphal gospels?? except you have proof that they were made up.... if not...... ..... ..... ...

Not so fast champ! The fact that the stories aren't self-consistent and downright contradictory is proof that they were made up! That's usually how lies are detected. So my friend, it's you who should convince us why, in spite of these obvious contradictions, you believe the stories. I mean, to start with, how do you even ascertain which one is the correct one...assuming any one of them is?

Wilgrea7:
what do you think?? read the texts and tell me please.. lemme give u a few

*gosoel of Nicodemus
*gospel of truth
*gospel of Thomas
*gospel of Philip
*Sophia of Jesus

Wow! So apocrypha texts in conjunction with the canonical gospels are the compelling sources of your idea of Jesus? Never mind that they are just as ridiculous as the canonical books.
I guess it's the bed of nails effect! a single nail piercing through your foot is a potent object of destruction; but standing on a bed of nails; the pressure applied by any one of those nails is inversely proportional to the number of nails on the bed, ultimately making the collective impotent.

So it seems with your belief too! The ridiculous inconsistencies in the 4 gospels caused you to question your belief, then you decide to read more ridiculous books; effectively dampening the effect of the cognitive dissonance inflicted by each individual one...well played sire!

Wilgrea7:
different texts bro... the bible made me think God can be comprehended... i got some info from some books not added in the bible... although i still got info from the bible but the website was unable to refute the info i got

And where did these different texts get their idea of Jesus from?

ScienceWatch:
From your angry response, it is clear to us that you are the superior one. Good luck !

Yes, I am! Glad you've still got some perceptiveness left in you.

hopefulLandlord:
this guy though

I'm a personal witness to one of the miracles from EmmanuelTV. They once predicted that Hillary Clinton would become the president of 'Mericah. No, the prediction wasn't the miracle in and of itself, of course! In fact, we all know the prediction was a monumental failure! The real miracle was the swiftness with which the Facebook post broadcasting this prediction disappeared after the failure. I SWEAR, only a god can explain such supernatural disappearance of a Facebook post.

mohamedali:

It's block

Here's another one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHGgv6p7uVI&app=desktop

ScienceWatch:
I beg to differ ! All the miracles in the Holy koran and from all the other Holy prophets are verifiable truth.

define verifiable truth?

I have come to realize that the real problem among religions of accepting the whole truth about Jesus Christ come mainly from the fearful clergy of all religions. Their resistance to change comes from the fear of losing their own positions of power among their people and their illusion of status in society.

Could this be the reason you resist accepting the whole truth about Vishnu?

Jesus Christ did not come to close down any religions, but to show them all the mind-blowing gifts of healing and demonic deliverance etc that a loving God is offering them if they can only believe that he was sent by the same god that they worship.

Any god so insecure as to demand recognition before it can lavish people with gifts is not what I'll call "a loving god". An immature, preteen god, maybe.

Do you think it is reasonable for a jewish rabbi/ Imam/ pastor/ minister etc to deny their congregations the undeniable, superior personal benefits that God came to offer freely to the world through Jesus ? Instead of accepting the superior benefits that Jesus Christ gave them the Jewish Rabbi's rejected Him.

Superior benefit of being nailed to a cross? I'll pass!

Scientists are considering overwhelming scientifically verifiable evidence that there is a loving CREATOR, coming out of the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and two excellent sources of study, Emmanuel TV and youtube.com

Mention these scientists and cite what peer reviewed journal papers they have published to this end.

Emmanuel TV is a golden opportunity for all religions world wide to study in private and examine the evidence. They will make progress if they put aside their religious bias and racism. God is revealing Himself mightily through a black man. Examine the evidence not the man's color !

Yes, there is one piece of evidence that sticks tenaciously...like flies on bullshit, that is! The black man's miracle working, all knowing god miraculously deleted a Facebook post after wrongfully predicting that Hillary Clinton would be the president of the USA. Such overwhelming evidence, I don't know who wouldn't believe in such a wondrous god.

So I saw this sketch by BBC in which they poke fun at ISIS. I thought it's hilarious...wondering what you guys think? Muslims in da house, what are your thoughts? Do you find this offensive?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOB6UDC-67w&app=desktop

butterflylion:
lol, you come out claiming you knew Christ and loved him with all of your heart, so, go ahead and pls tell me what the terms means, don't be evasive.

Stop embarrassing yourself. I never claimed to know Jesus, and I'm willing to wager you have no clue either. To prove my hypothesis, I haven't asked you stupid incomprehensible questions. I've asked you a simple question which everybody should be able to answer about someone they claim to know so well. If you're so sure of yourself, answer my question! But you'll fail, and you know why? Jesus is a figure of history whose story is embellished with shamefully contradictory legend as to be unknowable.

So quit fooling yourself with garbage stories, and start using your brain.

plappville:
Has a Christian terrorist any of your beloved?

As a matter of fact, yes! I've personally been physically assaulted by a Christian terrorist before. What has this got to do with the topic though?

Did Jesus ever say's Christian's should kill unbeliever until they turn to God?. Please, don't divert The OP. Let the Muslims defend themselves. Why do they depend on the infidels for refuge when all.ah commanded them to kill the Kafirs?

Is Jesus Yahweh? Cos Yahweh makes Allah look like an impotent teddy bear when it comes to violence...
Glass houses hypocrite, glass houses.

Igboboy59:
Abeg, can u help me tell those atheist should please
leave and pack their loads out of the land that Almighty
God created when they believed he doesn't exist.
secondly, stop breathing in the prestigious air that God
created
And also stop drinking the water he created.
when they die,they shouldn't be bury inside the ground
that God created.
If u can avoid these then I'll believe truly u are atheist

Another example of Poe's law. I genuinely can't tell if this is a parody or the real deal.

plappville:
If you have read the Bible very well. You will see that women have played great roles in Isreal. Biblical Women were not primitive. They were respected. Even Abraham respected his wife so much to have listened to her. If he had not. Hajah wouldnt have had Ishmael. You and i will not be here to discuss about terrorism each passing day in NL.

Funny how you're quick to criticize Muslims for disregarding stupid religious instructions in order to ridicule them, and then when I do the same thing to you, you're suddenly consumed by the impulse of your own hypocrisy; so you start defending a record which I never questioned in the first place.

What you're too blind to see is that your religious book isn't any less ridiculous than that of Muslims. So you can choose to learn from the age old wisdom that instructs those who live in glass houses not to throw stones, or, otherwise, have your hypocrisy expose you to especial ignominy!

butterflylion:
Okay, i get it now. Thanks.

Its actually true. You can't know Christ, Loved Christ with all your heart and still turned and spit on his face? No, you can't.

Lets see something. Shey you knew Christian and Loved Him with all your heart? Fine.
Pls what does it mean to ...

Be enlightened.
What does it mean to Taste the Heavenly Gift?

What is heavenly gift?

How can one be made a partaker of the Holy Ghost?

How does one taste the good word of God?

What are the powers of the world to come?

Hebrews 6:4-7.

If you experienced all the above, then you knew Christ, and loved Him. because. Its love that will elevate you to all the above.


Am waiting for your response.

I'm sure you think you've made a lot of sense. If you know Christ so well, tell me, what was his favorite food?

alBHAGDADI:
Christianity is not the issue here.

Who made Christianity the issue? Your guilty conscience?

The reason why Muslims disobey that verse is because they will become poor and wretched if they were to obey it. Majority of jobs today are provided by people of other faiths, majority being Christians. Do you want them to starve to death?

This is a good point! Pragmatism can also make people discard stupid religious instructions. Although, I don't see that it negates my point on common human decency. Both can work in tandem.

mohamedali:
If you do not provide this information mentioned by an illiterate man in the desert more than 1,400 years. If you want to speak with God, and if you want it read the Quran and will speak with you. There are more and more.
Create God be Muslims just looking and continued questions and inquire about everything
I will answer you by GOD WILL

Fail! Doesn't read like AgentofAllah's text. Do you now see that I am truly Allah's agent? What better miracle is there than your inability to write a paragraph like me? This is an open challenge, so feel free to try again.

Clearly, you're not up to the simple challenge. I've asked for only a single paragraph.

mohamedali:
Peace
# Why people do not believe in the religion of Islam?
the Quran revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, another senders. Koran challenge put in a lot of places and it is that he can not one of all creatures to write him his poverty or even five words are similar. It did a test and pass for more than 1,400 years the book has not changed and will not happen.

Mohammed, I've got a challenge for you. I challenge you to write a paragraph written in the same style as AgentOfAllah's. People will have to read what you wrote and believe you copied it from AgentofAllah. However, it cannot be anything he's ever written before.
If you do this, your version of Allah is the true version. If you fail, you have to accept that I am truly the agent of Allah and accept my message from Allah, that Allah wants you to stop worshiping it.

That the Quran explained a lot of miracles and predictions in the past and the present. And one to understand and to know the secrets that it can not exist.
* Miracles: Most of the stories of the prophets in detail, drowned Pharaoh, splitting of the moon, the way Duane earth and the planets (detected event), created man, Piercing star, Israelis events (past, present and future), how to create creatures, explaining the mountains, provisions ensure the co-existence of society and the individual, the family, preserved. *

Allah wants you to know that the stories of the prophets were plagiarised from other traditions. And all the other miracles you mentioned are merely interpolated lies from very vague sentences.

Dude, true story of my life up there, only funnier than I could have written it!

plappville:

They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.



Why are Muslims not obeying the bold? They still take the kafirs for friends even migrate in thier land.

Many muslims disobey the above verse for the same reason many Christians disobey the instruction in Corinthians 14:35 that women should be quiet in Church, and only ask questions of their husbands when they get home.

Both verses are an anachronistic insult to common human decency.

hopefulLandlord:
Nice one Jack!

we should be picky on which threads are worth our attention from now on

I've observed some threads that's built on dishonest premise

first it was "Atheists prove there is no god"

then "Prove Atheism is logical" amongst other threads

such threads make no sense

I once sent messages to some of my fellow atheists months back telling them to ignore certain threads and concentrate on those that are worth it even if it means NO thread for days or weeks

CC Lennycool, Dalaman, Randomperson, AgentOfAllah, Liberadeus, Hahn, Jonbellion

let us attend to only threads that make sense

I'm generally not in the habit of encouraging groupthink, which is why I refrain from prescribing who or what to comment on to other people, because however similar we may think, we all have different things that pique our interests after all. But in this specific case, I agree that a certain level of discrimination is required so as not to keep chasing stupid rabbits unleashed by idiots who care more about antagonising others than about the subjects being discussed.
It is to this end that I generally avoid Ebuka's threads and mentions. That guy is more interested in the star status his bombastic loquaciousness earns him with clueless admirers, than with having any sort of productive conversations about belief.
That said, I'm not going to advise anybody to ignore him, I leave it to each individual's discretion.