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Well written! Though I would replace atheists with sceptics, since rationality cannot be attributed to atheism by default.

Gforce2019:
Don't judge this little girl. Her comment is base on little experience in public school...

I'm sure if you ask her the same question 10years after , she will respond beta

In what way did I judge her?

7Alexander:
Americana!

I'm not "Americana"

So flogging is now child abuse? That means that about 90% of Nigerians have been abused by their parents at some time.

Yes, flogging a child is child abuse, and there's PLENTY OF EVIDENCE that suggests it is only useful for mentally scarring children, causing them permanent trauma, making them unbearably defiant in the long term, and shutting out their abusers from their life's decisions due to mistrust. Also, I don't know how you came about your 90%, but yes, Nigerian parents are some of the most abusive parents in the world. As old as I am, there is still a mental barrier that prevents me from freely relating with my parents, even though I love them to bits. I'm permanently scarred, and I know from multiple anecdotes that many Nigerians suffer from more or less the same scars!

Even still, were we to suspend our appeal to evidence by assuming flogging is okay, then at least, you accept that it is meant as punishment for wrong deed. So, do you think it is justifiable to flog a child because of their guardian's failure to pay their school fees?

Bonapart:
make I hear word. When you have your kids pet them even if they do something wrong. Abuse ko

Do you believe she's done something wrong because her parents failed to pay her school fees?

She said "they should not send them out...they should just flog them..."

I'm heart broken that this little child has been abused to the extent that she now considers that abuse okay.

MrRichmond:
"Shi Shi Chinese restaurant is for gentlemen, not for everyone" — Restaurant Director



A director at the Ikeja, Lagos-based Shi Shi Chinese Restaurant has said that the outlet caters to only gentlemen, rather than to everyone.

The restaurant director, a Nigerian who introduced himself as Mr. Niyi Adegbite, called our Correspondent after The PUNCH had published its findings, and declared that, generally, "all over the world, Chinese restaurants are not open to every Tom, Dick and Harry."

I find this claim to be dubious since I've visited Chinese restaurants in several countries, including China, and I've witnessed Europeans that could easily pass for a Tom, a Dick or a Harry eating in them. That said, this correspondent completely missed the opportunity to point out that there can't possibly be that many Toms, Dicks and Harrys in Nigeria.

ThothHermes:
I am not exactly sure what you are trying to achieve with this emotional tantrum. When the imaginary genocide that you keep yapping about happens, who do you think will suffer the most? Is it not the innocent, poor and weak? It is the way of the world unfortunately. Stop trying to guilt-trip me. I have a clear conscience.

No, everybody suffers! But even if it were just the innocent, poor and weak, so do you think it conscientious to callously fan the embers of hatred and put the lives of innocent, poor and weak people at risk? I am not in the business of guilt-tripping people. I say the truth as I see it, and allow that prickly little thing we call a conscience to do the guilt-tripping...so good luck appeasing your "clear conscience", as you say.

What is spiritual growth? I thought you were atheist.

Yes indeed, I am atheist, but I assume you aren't (maybe you are, who knows?). What is certain is that so far, I seem to embody a far superior moral conscience than you, and in the probable chance that you are a believer, how do you explain to your god that a foolish atheist exhibited far more compassion towards other humans than you did? Do you honestly think your god would be proud of how terribly you've reflected its affinity for compassion? Food for thought...

How does pointing out unpleasant realities amount to hate speech? On a personal level whatever happens in Aso Rock has no effect on me. So I don't know what you are on about. You should direct your sermons to election riggers. All you are seeing is the multiplier effect of their actions. Whatever happens and is happening is on them.

Dude/duddet (whichever applies), do you honestly think I started this thread because I care about what happens in Aso rock, or who rigged what elections? I started a thread to call our attention to the ominousness of the bad behaviours of certain people on social media, and their cheerleaders. I cannot and will not take responsibility for your inability to discern what this thread is all about. That's on you!! So, by all means, if you want to go on justifying cruelty to a group of people begging in the south because of the wrongs of criminals in Yobe, Borno, Abuja and other places 1000 km removed from the south, please go ahead..."multiplier effects" like you say.

Gandollar:
Goan sit down. That guy you are snuggling up to is a potential danger I hope you know that. Something like a disaster waiting to happen. At the first sound of the whistle, he will cannibalize you, I hope you know that. You are still a kafir, remember?

Which guy?

luvmijeje:
What's the remote cause?

Good question!

ThothHermes:
These people are getting off lightly. When Buhari lost in 2011, these people went in rampage and killed southerners in the north. I'm very sure that these same beggars would have cheered the killers on. So they should be thankful that southerners are not in the "an eye for an eye" business. We are not talking about voting. We are talking about rigging. Is committing electoral fraud a fundamental right

You maybe don't realise how silly you sound, so I'll just repeat the senseless things you say in the hope you might eventually notice. So you say you're "very sure these same beggars would have cheered the killers on". What is wrong with you? You keep committing the same generalisation falacy. How can you ever be sure anybody would do anything? Are you so blinded by hate and prejudice you can't even tell you're being irrational?
So "we're not talking about voting, we're talking about rigging", and in your warped judgement those beggars, that little girl in the video, those two hungry looking men participated in the rigging, and then, afterwards took the next flight, maybe bus trip abi maybe na even camel to some street in the South to come and beg? You're a very bright person!

Supporters of evil are as culpable as the perpetrators and they deserve whatever they get.

Yes, and this is the most sensible remark you've made. Although, it is rich that it's come from you. One only hopes you grow spiritually enough to realise the evil in the kind of crap you're supporting.
It is difficult trying to remain civil with you, but I'll say this: Personally, I'm flippant and opulent with forgiveness, if/when you show adequate embarrassment and remorse for this disgraceful behaviour of yours, but you should really consider what you post on the internet. Remember; the internet never forgets, and the hate you're displaying here might eventually come back to hunt you, and the world is far less forgiving, collectively, than your average person.

Corrinthians:
He rigged himself into office, right? It then means these people overwhelmingly supported Atiku right?

Now, place the actions of the people side by side your comment and see if it makes any sense!!

Their lack of intelligence is so staggering they are incapable of discerning the blindingly obvious contradiction in their arguments. Hatred really does cause severe extinction of brain cells.

luvmijeje:
I'll tell you five reasons why it's hatred.

1. By posting it online, it becomes a tool of mockery.

2. By posting it online, you are taunting the Northerners.

3. By posting it online, you are humiliating the weakest of them.

4. By posting it online, you are exhibiting a tool of tribal supremacy.

5. By posting online, you have created an archive of distrust.

Your hatred is blinding you all to how vindictive you all are.

I couldn't have put it more elegantly.

luvmijeje:
If I didn't want to join you, I wouldn't have commented on this thread. I'm also speaking up but I'm doing mine just a little bit different from you.

I'm ecstatic that you wish to join me. It's just that I picked up some exasperation in your mood, as expressed by you, so I hoped to give you a reason to speak up. Like you say, you're doing it in your own way, so thanks!

TooMuchStuff:
Your sense of judgment is presently clouded with ethnoreligious inclinations and sentiment.

Since you're so perceptive, pray tell, what are my ethnoreligious inclinations and sentiments?

Giving to beggars is borne out of compassion and religious obligations to the needy in our midst.
If me a Christian decide not to give my little token to northern beggars that littered our naija streets, based on their hate for my faith then am justified.

My apologies, Mr(s) compassionate giver. How do you claim to be compassionate in the same sentence where you've effectively vilified a whole group by accusing them of hating your tribe without evidence? Let me be bluntly honest with you. Not only are you lacking in compassion, you're evidently the one filled with hate, and, this is the important bit, you do put the mo'ron in oxymoron, don't you?

ThothHermes:
Blame Buhari the rigger instead of people who have angrily chosen not to give their money to beggars. I don't support their actions but I won't blame them either.

You miss the point if you think this is about giving money to a beggar. Listen, your money is yours to do with as you please, but to subject other people to humiliation because they beg you, and based on some stupid assumption you've made about them, that's taking depravity to an unconscionable level, and that, I cannot forego. I'm happy to read that you don't support their actions. I would truly be aghast if you did!

You cannot thwart the will of the people and not expect consequences. It's not like they are killing them or anything. They are just keeping their money.

So in your warped sense of reasoning, the consequence of, in your words, thwarting the will of the people is humiliating someone you cannot prove participated in this thwarting just because they share ethnicity with the supposed thwarter? Your arguments are not even self-consistent. In the video, these guys humiliated those people because they supposedly voted for a candidate they didn't like. Let's assume they are correct, I'm not sure what universe you come from, but in this universe, voting is a fundamental right protected under freedom of choice, so it is not clear how that amounts to "thwarting the will of the people", unless by implication, you mean to say those who disagree with your political opinion are not people. Is that your meaning? My friend, you're sliding down a very slippery slope. Dehumanisation is the fastest track on that road to genocidal actions, and you're very nearly there.

Hofbrauhaus:
It simply means i would have done the same thing those guys in the video did and i would do it a million times.

Nobody should give any beggar any dime. Maybe one day when hunger finally resets their brains, they would understand the importance of voting to improve economy and not along religious lines.

If you are hungry, go and meet Buhari.

You would have done the same thing? Let me get this straight.

So you would have seen a beggar in traffic, brought out your phone to record your humiliation of the person based on some preconceived notion of their political views, which is solely informed by their ethnicity, and subsequently applaud yourself for being a decent human being?
If you don't see what destructive prejudice exists in that kind of behaviour, I'm not convinced anything I say can appeal to your sense of reason...if at all you have any. But I do hope you never have to endure humiliation because of what other people assume about you, wrong or right!

luvmijeje:
OP, I'm not in the mood to speak up because those fools will not listen. The more you beg them, the more they will do yanga.

I'm waiting for the consequences of their hatred to start bearing fruit. When it start, let me hear any mad person accusing the Northerners of hatred...... That's when everyone on this platform will think I'm a northerner. You can't sow rice and and expect to reap yam. You can't expect to sow a seed and expect not to reap many seeds.

You will all learn to respect each other differences forcefully.

Dear lovmijeje, you need not wait for the fools to listen in order to make your voice heard. It is sufficient that your voice of reason should drown out their voices of hate, if only to instruct them of their insignificance.

May reason lead us to, as your name implies, love alljeje!

TooMuchStuff:
Like I said ysday ''all beggars are diabolical' ' u can all see that the rantings of OP is predicted on this premise.

Na small small we go dey see fowl yansh as the wind of hausafulanikanuris Muslims beggars and Christians givers dey blow so.

No more money for banbiallah gangs......!

#go and beg buhari ye hausafulani Muslims Beggars

I would love to engage you in a meaningful discussion sir/ma, but there is not even a token amount of sense you've made that I could latch on to. Please work on your coherence!

Hofbrauhaus:
Shuu? Ontop say we no want give beggars money again?Naso the matter pain una reach? You are declaring war ontop our money?

So who is "we" and "our" in your sophisticated rejoinder? Are you one of the individuals in the videos?

Dear most Nigerians, SPEAK UP!

In the space of two days, I have watched two separate videos (see links 1 & 2) recorded, consciously and shamelessly, by supposedly educated individuals rebuffing the desperate pleas of some street beggars, apparently of northern origins. The reason cited for the denial is because they "voted for Buhari" in the just concluded elections, nevermind that one of the beggars is clearly a very young girl, not of voting age. I will not bother expounding on that illogic, or the other one in which grown thinking men presume to know the preferred candidate of someone they've most likely met for the first time, based on nothing but their apparent ethnicity. No, instead I prefer to call our attentions to the ominousness of this despicable behaviour on our collective conscience, which is, to put bluntly, pre-genocidal.

Alarming as the behaviours exhibited in these videos are, it is far more worrisome reading through the comments, as the proportion of commenters applauding and encouraging these individuals very easily drowns out the occasional dissenting voices of reason. I would like to believe, and with good reason, that the vast majority of Nigerians do not agree with the staggering maliciousness demonstrated in these videos. But as history has shown, being good does not provide immunity from the boiling frog syndrome! Remember, no genocide ever happened because blood thirsty lunatics suddenly happened upon their victims. They happened because blood thirsty lunatics said and did incrementally terrible things while the good majority stayed silent. We ought to recognise a pot for what it is, even if the water feels initially cold. We owe it to ourselves and to history to speak UP and tell those insignificant deplorables "NOT ON MY F.UCK'ING WATCH!"

(1) https://www.instagram.com/p/Bue62pyBxZU/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=nn53jupil22j

(2) https://www.instagram.com/p/BudhrPSBN-E/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again

What a cruel and deplorable thing to do to another human being! Shame on him and on everybody who thinks this is an acceptable way to behave.

He hurt and killed the only person who would have forgiven his worst impulses and transgressions, now he's left alone in a world that will never forgive him for the monster he is. May her kindness hunt him for the rest of his miserable life.

Rest in peace beautiful Alexandra

GeneralShepherd:
The fine tune argument sometimes appears lacking. I for example wonder why a perfect God will create a child with disabilities.

I fail to see the connection between a perfect god and the fine tune argument, but I can see how a child with disabilities belies the notion of a fine-tuned universe, and that is an important question to ask to those who think the universe is somehow fine tuned for life.

That being said, I always ask this question why is there something instead of nothing. Why did the universe begin at all? Why not nothing?

Unless this question is dismissed as trivial, carefully thinking about this will mean atheism is dead on arrival. The most sensible position will be agnosticism. And maybe deism.

If there was nothing, you wouldn't be here to ask that question. Anyway, I think that's not a valid first question to ask. Before asking why there is something instead of nothing, you must first answer why you believe there must be a "why". By asking "why" anything, you're invariably presupposing a thought/purpose behind that thing, and you have yet to show me that such a purpose is behind existence.

It has to make sense why the universe exist.

Why does it have to make sense? I genuinely want an answer to this question! If you know why the existence of the universe must make sense, please explain it to me because I don't know.

GeneralShepherd:
You skipped how the planets, galaxies stars and various moon was made.

Your use of the word "skipped" implies, and I think wrongly, that there was an initial question about planets, galaxies and moons. I usually don't answer questions that are not asked, but if you are really interested in the process of formation of planets, you can check one of my earlier contributions on that subject here.

Anyway the key question is from whence did the big bang come from. By definition anything that is outside of the big bang that caused it is beyond time and therefore eternal.

No, the key question was how oxygen came about from the big bang, and I already addressed that. As for your own key question, I will assume you aren't really expecting an answer from me since I have severally indicated in this very thread that I don't know the source of the big bang, if one exists. Nevertheless, I should still point out that you seem confused about the concept of 'eternity'. Eternity is an unquantifiable length OF TIME. As such, something that is eternal is NOT beyond time, but rather establishes time as infinite.

I call that thing God! The nature of that I do not know.

Okay...I call that thing "I don't know".

XxSabrinaxX:
If you knew enough about the laws of physics, and you had a powerful enough computer, theoretically you could perfectly simulate the entire universe from start to finish. When I say perfect, I mean perfect. In our simulation, every thing that has ever happened in this universe and ever will happen in this universe will happen exactly the same way in our simulation. Every thought that every living being has ever had, every action that every living being has ever taken, will occur in exactly the same manner every single time the simulation is run.
That means that no matter what, all of your thoughts and actions you've ever had and will ever have, have been predetermined by the laws of physics. Nothing you do or think can possibly change that fact because you were always going to have those thoughts and were always going to do those things. Everything you do is because the creator determined that's what you have to do when he set the laws of physics into motion with the Big Bang. You do not have a choice. Free will is an illusion because we are bound by the laws of physics.

The only circumstance in which we wouldn't be bound by the laws of physics is if the creator admitted that his creation was flawed from the start and needed to be modified, so he intervened at some place and time to cause a change in events. In which case free will would still not exist.
Rejection of Yahweh as the demiurge is not something I have chosen. He predetermined that I would be born under the circumstances that I was, and that the chemicals in my brain would react a certain way to cause me to feel this way, and that I would sin.

Taking this argument to its logical conclusion demonstrates that nothing anybody ever does is "evil" because they never had a choice in the first place. It wasn't Hitler's fault that his brain didn't work right and caused him to kill all those people and then himself. The creator forced him to do all of that, so the blame for all evil in the universe can be placed squarely on the creator.

So why is he going to send anyone to a place of eternal torment for everything he forced them to do in the first place? It sounds like he is a sadist who gets off creating beings, forcing them to suffer in this universe, then forcing most of them to experience an incomprehensible amount of suffering in Hell for all eternity after death, and those who are left will be forced to go to "heaven" to be with this maniac for all eternity with the knowledge that their loved ones are experiencing an incomprehensible amount of suffering forever and ever.

Change my view that free will doesn't exist and that Yahweh is actually the Satanic Demiurge.

Fascinating argument! While I am unable to defend the existence of freewill, I do think your take on a determinate universe is outdated. Modern physics is unequivocal about the intrinsic indeterminacy of the universe. Do look up 'uncertainty principle' when you're chanced.

Tollzara:
Thanks a lot, boss. I'm on it already. I really appreciate.

Rooting for you!

Tollzara:
Hey, guys. I want to make enquiries about studying Law in Cambridge.

How do I apply for Law in Cambridge with a Psychology degree from a Nigerian University? How exactly does it work?

I've checked out their website and gone through the entry requirements for Law, but I'm still not satisfied. I want exhaustive information about the process. As explicit as explicit can get.

Is there anyone who has an answer? I want a more direct, precise, and straight-forward answer. I don't want to make plans on shaky foundations and dangerous assumptions. I want to know everything now, and make my plans accordingly.

Kindly help with what you know.

Cc. Shaybebaby
AgentOfAllah (?)
1Sharon

Lalasticlala, Mynd44

Can I get a space on the front page, please?

I need as much information as I can get. Thanks.

It would seem the best way to get the sort of reliable, comprehensive information that you want is to place a direct call to the faculty of law or drop them an email, making specific inquiries about your particular situation.
I can't render any useful help to you because I neither studied law nor went through the admission process of Cambridge.

Telephone: +44 1223 330033
Email: enquiries@law.cam.ac.uk

This is one candidate I'll be willing to throw the full weight of my support behind. Just say the word, Oby, and you have a foot soldier at your service for free.

tintingz:
Dude, don't get be wrong, I might have some faults in my premises but my main argument in my premise was why did she sign a consent-agreement/terms when she knows the regulations in the law school, why didn't she and her co protest before signing up? Even in FIFA football a player removing his shirt in post-goal is sanction with yellow card, you can't protest it when game is on or you get a red card, do a semi-protest, comply and protest after the game.

You might as well ask why Rosa Parks didn't protest the right given to bus drivers, by Montgomery city ordinance, to reassign bus seats based on skin colour before she boarded. Yes, we can have a lengthy academic discussion around the subject, but the answer is a lot simpler: That wouldn't have been as effective a protest. As a rule of thumb, results tend to be more profound and far-reaching when the stakes are high for everyone involved.

As you have allowed yourself to be bugged down by the colour of each pixel, you have invariably failed to appreciate the beautiful picture of a rich and evolving landscape. As you can now see, in the end, justice paid no heed to your objections.

Let's not get into another argument, I'm in for secular libralism, I hope the regulations are review and adjust to lift the ban of hijab and other religious and cultural regalia in law School, i hope it doesn't turn to nepotism in the future.

Congrats to Amasa Firdaus.

Herein lies our common ground. Well said!

In the conclusion of this case, I'm pleased that liberalism has prevailed over secular neo-fascism.
It is not the place of anyone, including the state, to deny a woman the right to practice her preferred profession because of what she wears. Firdaus' struggle has made the Nigerian law school a more inclusive place, and opened the gates for even more protests to be registered; and I hope they are!

Tintingz, thank you for your passionate debate. You're brilliant, but this time, you were so wrong. I hope you can now see that!

https://www.nairaland.com/4609634/amasa-firdausa-finally-called-bar

Martinez19:
Calm down. This philosophy is way too much. When I said "have no consequences", I simply meant no consequences to you if you abscond with the cash. You won't be caught and no one would know you stole the money. That's the meaning of the assumption.

Okay, this is a more concise formulation. In this case, it simply boils down to an examination of conscience. Absconding would be a haunting thought to me because of the uncertainty that doing so could be injurious to someone else. As I previously argued, there's no practical way to be certain of this without involving the consent of the initial owner. Whether or not anyone notices is immaterial.

Martinez19:
Given the following:
1) you suddenly saw #547,000,000 in your bank account.
2) you can take the money secretly, no one will found, the money would be yours forever and there won't be any consequences.

Would you take the #547m or will you give it back to the rightful owner?

I agree with the assessment that this question does not convey any sense because it is not self-consistent. My reasons are laid out as follows:

(1) To suggest there would be no consequence, as the second clause does, implies that the sudden remission would neither have a positive nor a negative effect. In other words, no one will suffer any harm by the remission, and at the same time, the money won't be useful to anyone in any way. This is an absurd clause that immediately makes the question of no practical relevance.

(2) Let's say we address the absurdity with the axiom that "for every event, there is a consequence". We would then be able to reframe the second clause of the question with a more appropriate predicate; that is, there would be no NEGATIVE consequence. This then exposes the paradoxical nature of the question because there still remains the problem of certainty which is imposed by the second clause. Here, it is implied that the recipient is certain that there is an absence of harm. The only pathway through which this is humanly possible is if the previous owner voluntarily ceded ownership to me, the recipient, and made me aware of this concession. In this case, the question of returning it to its "rightful owner" makes no sense because I am now the rightful owner.

I see no other way through which my certainty of the absence of harm can coexist with the idea that I am not the rightful owner, but it is also possible that I may not have been exhaustive in my reasoning. So maybe op can make further clarifications.