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raumdeuter:
Every one knows Boateng has been battling injuries off and on since January its only a foool like you that doesnt know this

Hummels has been battling injuries since 5 years ago, but ancelotti wont joke with him. If not for illness , he would have been in this game. There was no injury update on this useless boathand, going into this game. A calamitous defender, raising shoulder against club leaders will do his time on the bench.

Why is boathand on the bench ? raumdeuter and a40, have you abandoned this useless thread ? Hummels is ill, but what made boathand to be watching from the bench ?

raumdeuter:
Yet all their representative in Europe progressed and the EPL without stupid defenders cant even qualify at the expense of Hapoel Beer

Emphasy is on larger number of stvpid defenders in laliga. You and your stvpid logic. Arsenal and leicester topped their groups to qualify in ucl. How many did same from burnthisleaguedown?

Yahoo1:
Epl defenders are so good that Messi did same to Arsenal just last season. man city conceded 3 against Celtic and Barca respectively,Chelsea trashed everton ,Man city and Man united.

La liga is so poor that ATM conceded just one goal in the group stages of the UCL,Sevilla conceded jst 3. Leicester conceded 5 in their last game,Tottenham couldn't day fend properly to qualify from one of the weakest group.

There's a reason messi has not scored a goal against chelsea in over 9 hours of match duration.

Laliga boasts of a large number of stvpid defenders.

sebod:
I never said he's a CFC fan, I said he's a Shekpe fan. We don't know him sir. Thanks

But you know homesteady and trendlona. Continue.

Aguero, chai. let's see if zouma will return as luiz may miss tomorrow's match.

bykebyke:
Griezmann..Fraud.

You stay online to type stuffs . How I wish barca knows about your activities here.

oglalasioux:
Children have taken over nairaland. The bolded is the evidence.

So you old man , need to die , hence challenging his creator yes to your wish

oglalasioux:
I laugh at your ignorance and young age. It's this same crap that you typed that religion uses to whip members into line.

Lol my young age, you never saw anything in life. Keep talking anyhow, your fore fathers who attempted it, couldn't live to tell the stories.

oglalasioux:
What a wonderful god. Killing people who don't read the bible, making people who don't pay him tithe poor ...what a great god.

Be careful what you spew about almighty God.

ariano10:
useless boatank

That moment boathand pushed drogba to head home that equaliser, was the only time he impressed me. He should be happy he played against a legend like drogba. I dont know why he went on hunger strike. He should have declared a party for the likes of ramuzaki.

hensben:
batshuayi is going nowhere. That guy is talented

He is talented but at 23, i was expecting more from him.

Pataki:
£200m for Sanchez and you can have him with my blessing.

I dont even know 7 quality players in arsenal , you can add to match that amount.

Pataki:
Apari is suffering from Ajakaja-ism. Defined as the madness of a dog to bark out extreme stewpeedity.

Pataki:
No be only Sanchez, add Sanchos join.

Give us sanchez, take batshuayi + 20m

Nihilist:
I heard that we are looking at Sanchez.

Roman must not gawk this one at all. If Arsenal don't want to give him the money he wants, we must sign him up strat!

I cant wait to have that boy.

raumdeuter:
[s]
Goofed about what exactly?

Let me hear what you would say? That I probably didnt know Alonso and Lewy were not in Bayern when we won the treble or goof about what gangan ?[/s]

Dolt, now asking f00lish question. In your attempt to treacherously rubbish lewandowski, you made a f00l of yourself.

raumdeuter:
E.g Chelsea won the CL with no input from Hazard. Response: No input from Hazard for which CL win?

Only an id.iot would make such statement in the first place. Was anyone expecting input from a player who was in another team? It is a very stvpid statement to make.

Nihilist:
I think you're the one that doesn't understand the conversation.

Read Dayo's statement again:


Neither Alonso nor Lewandowski were eligible to provide any sort of input to the treble win, which is what Airmark was asking here:



How can you say bayern won the treble with little to no input from Alonso or Lewandowski? Does it make sense to say Barca won the treble with little or no input from Hazard?

God bless you .

homesteady:
I thought you wanted to free yourself from the hole you entered by clinging to unnecessary details?
Is season the same thing as year?

Thats the reason you should not jump stvpidly into issues you dont have any idea about. The arguement was on lewandowski, he joined bayern in 2014, do you expect him to be part of a trophy won in 2012/2013 season? The treble won in 2013 was concerted efforts started in september 2012.

raumdeuter:
[s]Foolishness is deep into you thats why you wouldnt know Bayern won the treble in 2013. 3yrs ago. You foolish airmark now tell us which treble Lewandoski won for Bayern

Dindinrin afofungbemu ori igun[/s]

You wanted lewandowski to be part of achievement that started in 2012. olori 4 corner. Below is your post once again. Oponu Pa ramuzaki.

raumdeuter:
Bayern won the treble with little or no input from Kroos, Alonso, Lewandoski. Ribery will be doubtful as he has missed most of the past 3 yrs, Same with Schweini

homesteady:
[s]Damn! This Airhead, you're so slow, Sloths move at a faster pace than your Brain!
When did Bayern win their Treble? Wasn't it in 2013?

I don't really blame you, when normal children were fed with Cerelac, you were been fed With Cerumen. [/s]

2013/2014, 2014/2015 and 2015/2016 . Those are the last 3 seasons, did bayern win treble in any of these seasons? Just remain where you are, your are not sensible to engage in stuffs outside of your domain. I expected bykebyke to have tied you down , with chain around your neck.

AdisaOwala:
Man down!! I repeat...Man down!
Afrodoc - kindly send in an ambulance immediately!!

That was how one of them jumped in and got flogged yesterday.

raumdeuter:
[s]You see the foolishness we are talking about. You in your impeccable stupiditty saw Lewandoski make input for Bayern when we won the treble? This is why you are regardded as the most morronicc poster on this forum[/s]

Did you win treble in the last 3 years? why did you expect lewandowski to win treble in the last 3 years that ibime referred to ? Below is ibime's post that you replied to . Apari olori gbagungbagun, use your brain.

Ibime:
If we list Bayern best 11 players in the last 3 years, Boateng would not make top 11.

I lie?

Kroos, Muller, Lahm, Neuer, Schweini, Robben, Alaba, Ribery, Lewandowski, Alonso, Vidal.

You think i am f00lish like you.

homesteady:
[s]You are so dumb and idiotïc
You don't even know what makes up a Treble![/s]

See this one, i asked dayo what treble he expected lewa to win in the last 3 years, when bayern didnt win any. So highlighting lewa's achievements last year in every cup won, meant i was referring to treble? I dont know why barca has a large number of stvpid fans. I proved that lewa was more crucial to all silverwares won than boathand. Your wack reasoning has restricted you to the confinement of your 2x2 room. Hence , your moniker, homesteady.

raumdeuter:
[s]Bayern top 7 for the past 3yrs will have Robben Lahm Neuer, Boateng Muller Alaba Ribery, Schweini

Input into Bayern of the past 3yrs there is no way Kroos Alonso will make it, [/s]Bayern won the treble with little or no input from Kroos, Alonso, Lewandoski. Ribery will be doubtful as he has missed most of the past 3 yrs, Same with Schweini

No input from lewandowski for which treble? Apari buruku. Highest goal scorer for bayern in bundelsiga triumph with 30 goals. he scored one of the penalties in your dfb pokal victory. In the super cup, that boathand didnt play, lewandowski played. So you needed to relegate him to put your stvpid defender. The world top goal scorer for 2015. Your bald head there.

A40:
[s]Who ever said Argentina lacked talent? You are very sick in the head! We are making direct comparisons between their squad and England's you are forming Captain Obvious. Who had the better squad between 2006 England and 2014 Argentina with or without Messi? Efulefu

I don't know what you were doing when the alfas in that your abe igi ile keu were trying to impart the little intelligence they had into your life.

What a cretin[/s]

Mr aguero40, shut da fvck up.

raumdeuter:
[s]You havent shown us Beckham or Terry's performance that deserved those awards. Lampard is a fine midfielder. Gerrard can have a good game once a while
I cant knock Lamps performance because I saw how he did it in crucial times, whether its vs Barca, vs Bayern even in the 2012 CL win he was always standing up to be counted unlike those forming activity and just winning in ballot boxes like Terry and Beckham
if Terry was giving performances like Lampard and not being the 3rd wheel maybe Chelsea would have won the CL
The others are hot steamy garbage especially John Useless Terry[/s]

This f00l quickly edited his post that wrote off beckam. lol. You were in ogbomosho farm carrying fire woods when beckam was shinning that year. You always type before thinking. God saved you, you edited your rubbish.

A40 A faulty, you see your life ? This is how you spew rubbish up and down . So argentina was even talented without messi. Werey ni e , ajakaja40. I cant believe you typed all these about messi and argentina. If you are not shameless, this is enough to prompt you to deactivate your account. Nihilist

Pataki:
Candid camera. Charlie-Boy cannot even perform this feat. Well done Nihilist.

O capture weyrey onisokuso yen, live and direct.

A40 ajakaja , ile mo ba werey. Nihilists ti take over.

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AdisaOwala:
Abeg how many goals & Assist Juan Mata get for Valencia that season?

Mata : 11 goals and 17 assists and Iniesta : 4 goals and 13 assists

Nihilist:
Mate that's what I want to hear next. A40 even went as far as saying that Messi was poor at the worldcup and based Argentina's success that year on their defence.
I don't understand how based on his own definitions and criteria, Messi is not overrated.
You can see how he nearly ran away from the Kaka question posed to AdisaOwala, and has tried to switch from Madonna to films to Wenger.
All just so he can justify one goof of a statement...

Thats why dayo will always be his lord. He is smarter .

Eruditor:
You weren't supposed to introduce voting because it is subjective. People can vote Kaka because he is handsome and born-again. [s]We must analyse things purely analytically so we can make room for the fact that he could have been overrated. I know Kaka beat CR7 when they met, similar to how Sneijder beat Messi and went on to outscore and out-assist him in both UCL and WC yet Messi won WPOTY and Sneijder didn't make top 3.
Even in 2014, when Messi was voted player of the WC tournament he rightly rejected it because he knew he did not do enough to deserve it. He knew he was being overrated WRT the tournament. That doesn't mean he wasn't great even in it. So again, players voting someone is not a sure-fire proof that the person "deserved" what they voted him for or that what they voted him for doesn't overrate him.
Anyways, I like how you said "a player like Iniesta is overrated based on your analysis". So based on A40s analysis, Kaka cannot be overrated? No, he can. He can if he is mediocre in all competitions bar one. He can if the only reason he is not, is because he was voted for it.[/s]

Now, i can see you have been joking all this while. Nice try, you got me.

A40:
At the very least this merely proves I am also guilty of overrating him.[s] I am still looking for your point in all of this.

Illusionista[/s]

Na lightning go fire those fingers you used to type this. Dodoyo

Nihilist:
You never even see anything...

As of last year A40 thought Aguero was one of the top 20 players in the world but now he is overrated..

Chai

So argentina team was not average in his post in 2014 but now they are average . Ajakaja40 wont stop disgracing himself anytime soon.

Eruditor:
[s]That very same season, Totti scored 26 goals and had 9 assists (Top scorer and Top assist man). His team AS Roma also finished in 2nd position whereas Kaka's team finished 4th. BTW Kaka had 6 assists that season not 7 he was 15th on the assist log.

Totti had a stronger case to be the Serie A player of the year according to the very same stats some other person on this thread wanted to use against Cristiano. Can we now conclude that Kaka finishing above Totti, flattered his performances in Serie A that year? What that translates to is that Kaka got more credit than his performances deserved. Which means he was overrated that season in Serie A in this context.[/s]

@Iniesta, I don't know the year you are referring to for Iniesta. In 08/09 and 09/10 Messi was the LFP player of the year and he had more goals and assists combined than any other player whose team won a title. So Iniesta would not have deserved it had he won it those years- in fact, winning it would have overrated his contributions to Barca's success those years (at least when compared with Messi)- and thank heavens he did not.

So Kaka did not win a league title. Nor did he win the cup. However, he won the UCL. Sneijder won the cup, league and UCL as well as getting to the final of a WC. Since, Mou who was Sneijder's coach at the time was adjudged coach of the year, yet his best player, Sneijder, wasn't adjudged WPOTY. Can we agree that whoever won that title that year did not deserve to win it? In other words, Messi winning the WPOTY 10/11 was overrating his achievements that year (even if Messi received more votes than Sneijder)

From the fore-going can we conclude that a player's achievements for a year could be overrated even if the said player is great the best, just like Messi was in 10/11?

1. So why is it flawed for anyone to say a player could be great and still be overrated?

2. Why is it 'flawed' for anyone to say Kaka was overrated in 07 when he only performed spectacularly in 1/3 tournaments that he featured in said season?

NB: I am here because some people said anyone who makes both claims is waffling. I am showing you how someone can make both claims (which you don't need to agree with) but it does not mean the person is wrong.

Iniesta with 4 goals was laliga's spanish player of 2008/2009 while David villa with 28 goals, got nothing. Footballers voted for kaka and they knew what they saw, it might be closely fought thats not my biz. If iniesta with 4 goals won ahead of villa, and barca fans like you had no issues with it, then kaka should be left alone with his serie a award. Even xavi who had 6 goals and more assists than iniesta that year was not awarded. so what are you saying? Experts dont judge performances the way you just did. A player like iniesta is overrated based on your analysis.

@ The emboldened, anyone who claimed kaka was overrated in 2007 is high on ogogoro. Even when ronaldo and kaka met at the biggest club soccer stage in Ucl, we all saw who conquered. Some things are better left unsaid. In the past there were sensible controversies that trailed wpoty, 2007's was never one of them.

Eruditor:
I goofed.

Now please answer the Kaka question. Thanks.

Better. Kaka won serie a player of the year award, voted by his colleagues with 8 goals and 7 assists. Just like iniesta won laliga award in 2009 with 4 goals and 8 assists. Kaka wasn't the main striker, he played behind inzaghi, oliviera, gillardino, his all-round performances as a midfielder impressed his colleagues and was voted for. In a40's words :

A40:
I'm assuming you now understand you can be a success at a tournament without necessarily winning it

Eruditor:
Even for you, this is escapist. I thought someone else adduced Ronaldo's 3 CL goals as a reason he did not deserve WPOTY 07 and I agreed with the person. Please justify Kaka's 8 goals in 31 games with a 4th place finish as Serie A man of the year.

PS: You can't say he won it because of votes. (That is a cyclical argument regardless of if resident trolls disagree). You are the google proponent here I am sure you'd have looked it up.

What I want is logical consistency. If Ronaldo's 3 goals were insufficient why should Kaka's 8 goals be? Remember, the end point is to prove that popularity votes CAN overrate a player's ability or achievements.

Before i move to kaka's serie a issue, first accept you goofed by claiming ronaldo deserved 2007 wpoty . I cant waste my time on someone who couldn't accept his errors. The votes were not close, it was a very wide margin and done by coaches and captains. If you add messi and ronaldo's points together they won't match kaka's. Every sensible analyst wouldn't argue the matter again. This is december, my job offline is demanding in festive periods, trust me i will still squeeze out time to engage you when i could see you are reasonable.

bi0nics:
By wide margin sef..

Can't believe someone would come here and say Ronaldo deserved the WPOTY 2007..ErudiShyte..are you high on crack?

That's one of the reasons buhari wanted to jack up data price. People like eruditor will vet their posts well before posting.

SIRcumalot:
una successfully let this talk comot from the original point to a discussion about kaka being overrated.
i get blame too.
nobody is calling kaka a goat candidate just that in 07 he was the best.

I am just weak . One ''up barka'' guy said it was ronaldo that deserved it in 2007.

AdisaOwala:
Ohkay

You see human being, you go fear. From wpoty 2007 to serie a 2007.

Eruditor:
You gave up when you could not answer the question on Kaka that is why I LOLed. I said CR7 for two reasons: it was a bait to get you to answer the question on Kaka which you skillfully dodged. Tuale! The second reason I mentioned CR7 was to show you that holding onto one competition as the sole reason a player should be WPOTY is hollow and that is the kind of process that begot Kaka.

Also, choosing not to use invectives doesn't mean you alone reserve that right. I avoided it as well because you don't need to take everything personal.

That moment you mentioned ronaldo, was disgraceful. It exposed your wack sense of judgement, hence i had to find something meaningful to do offline. It was just like arguing with someone who claims he knows all about Nigeria. you ask him where is the FCT located, he replies , Orlu. I will be stvpid to continue arguing with such person on other related stuffs. Saying ronaldo was more worthy of the award, finally nailed the coffin.

bykebyke:
One of the few times I have watched Barca this season that I didn't feel like breaking anybody's head I come across.

You played against useless monchegladyansh that was murdered by dortmund few days ago. Do you want me to call city out again?