European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by airmark(m): 7:52pm On May 26, 2019 |
Olamyyde: Not only busquets is to blame, Rakishit should be there with his backward passes. Replace Rakitic with prime Iniesta or Xavi, we will be reading the same 'best dm ever' line, again. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 4:35pm On May 26, 2019 |
nihilistjnr: Tramadol is a pain killer. It does not affect your performance. If trams is a PED then ibuprofen and even panadol are PEDs Just like meldonium was tagged an angina drug, and wouldn't enhance performance, until sharapova was banned. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 4:17pm On May 26, 2019 |
nihilistjnr: tramadol is not a PED.
Wada does not have it on the banned substances list Meldonium wasn't on any banned list until it was investigated and later banned, after Sharapova was caught. Do you think the drug only started functioning as PED in 2016, when it was banned? Not finding a drug that has been tested and confirmed to enhance performance, on wada list, proves nothing. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by airmark(m): 1:17pm On May 26, 2019 |
Hamid7: Valverde to reporters after the anfield embarrasssment: "It is what it is" Last night after failing like the failure he is: "The match was a bit weird, Valencia attacked us so much" what did he expect?" Gone were the days when opponents had no choice than to sit back and accept theyve lost the midfield battle at the sight of Xavi and Iniesta. Now Busquets' defensive weakness is erupting like volcano. Time to raid baby. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 11:43am On May 26, 2019 |
Greatihex: i was even more surprised to see afrodoc say that PED does not improve dribbling.
Seems like a lot of our old guys did not even play monkey post.. How can someone who ever played any kind of football downplay the importance of strength in football. You see people claiming to be experts in their fields making ridiculous mistakes like Boathand. He also claimed that trams couldn't be used to enhance performance, something that uneducated Agbowo footballers would laugh at. Some people can't defend the certificates they brag with, when put to test. If you are out of energy on the field, to pass the ball well, could even be an herculean task, let alone wriggling out of opponent tackles, while one dribbles with the ball. It's when you have discussions like this that you weigh knowledge and intelligence. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by airmark(m): 8:55pm On May 25, 2019 |
MJBOLT:
what happened to ter stegen? He's the best keeper in the world. Is Busquets playing? Raumdeuter I learnt one former Arsenal dm is against your best dm ever, in a cup final. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 7:45pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: All these can be done with the regular energy you get from normal football training Ignorance, you should go and tell them at any body shop near you, and see how they would laugh at your foolishness. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 7:26pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: The strength and energy what's it used for? Sex or sleep All your activities on the field need energy, no matter how little. We have seen players who couldn't run swiftly to chase passes, when tired. When some players are tired, they prefer to pass back rather than attack with the ball. Twisting and turning repeatedly, to mark a player or space, to dribble, to shoot well, require energy. Stop asking foolish questions. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 7:17pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Xavi was between 23 and 28yrs under Rijkaard so when did he mature When he improved his style and became the third best player in the world. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 5:32pm On May 25, 2019 |
weedtaker: As in, we the talk strength + energy, them the talk running for 90mins  So shocking bro. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 5:31pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: They're all trying to cover up but the journalist is the source of truth based on what Based on the revelations from the effective investigative journalism he executed. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 5:28pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Xavi and iniesta don't use much energy they let the ball do the movement. Rijkaard was going to sell xavi for not being fast and having stamina.
So that's the xavi that has stamina now That was when Xavi was still lazy and not yet matured. Pro football generally needs stamina. Have you trained with cones, marker discs, poles, agility ladder or have you done corridor football training before? No need asking you stuff that are beyond you. The same you, that didn't know players use pills for training sessions. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 4:30pm On May 25, 2019 |
Segedinho: Performance and running cannot be used interchangeably. ....ur performance is d direct result of ur talent. ....talent is permanent but strenght declines over time.......I laugh wen u keep repeating the running anthem...........messI is better Dan lukaku cos he is more talented ...likewise Messi with PED is better Dan Messi without PED cos there is no energy reduction as d game progresses. ...
The more reason why Zidane can't continue with his spotlight since the talent is still there.. the answer to this is zidane does not have the strenght to carry on with this talent....so strenght is fundamental 2 carry out what u know how to do best ...there comes PED since it gives u extra strenght even wen u are suppose 2 decline. I don't know how things are difficult for some people to understand. I remember asking Chelsea to only be using Morata, when the energy level is low. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 4:04pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: What are these Xavi and Iniesta maestros known for? Was it strenght? t Doing repetitive actions optimally like they did while at Barca, requires great stamina on the field of play. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 3:59pm On May 25, 2019 |
larride: Players run for 90mins? They must be in good positions throughout and not lose concentration. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 3:57pm On May 25, 2019 |
weedtaker: As in the bolded just doesn't make sense, if you play football for 90mins, you'll know that "players are not running all the time, so their energy is conserved" is just b.s It's obvious they never played football on a big field, let alone as a pro, where your off the ball movements are important. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 3:54pm On May 25, 2019 |
 raumdeuter: So a journalist should tell us more about doping in football than professional footballers and coaches
LOL Its like being daft is not only in your genes, you also take it as vitamins Mumu, it's a known fact that key players in the industry tried to cover up. Based on facts in that article,efforts to cover up failed woefully, hence the asinine tag. You are shameless. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 3:45pm On May 25, 2019 |
larride: Pro footballer train almost everyday except for match day when they just do light warm up. At that level their normal regular training will definitely result to higher fitness level.
When the game is going on, all 22 players won’t be running at the same time. Those that do most of the running are the midfielders and we have seen countless time that midfielders stroll on the pitch. Attackers have ample time to relax and catch their breath before a burst of attacking moves while defenders also have time to catch their breaths. They do all these to conserve their energy.
Look at Busquet for example, you do call him biscuit, what do you think his stamina/strength level is and does it affect his skills? Don't be fooled by TV, off the ball movements are not always captured on your screen. Substitutions are not only done because of tactics, stamina is key to expressing yourself on the field optimally. Busquets has been getting exposed as a weakling since Iniesta and Xavi left. He was getting shielded by those maestros. Meanwhile, there are PEDs for concentration, so it's for performance enhancement and not only strength enhancement. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 3:29pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: From the article you posted below are top footballers and coaches who played beyond jeunjeun football saying
doping in soccer wouldn't help? Legendary German player Franz Beckenbauer has said as much, as have myriad lesser football luminaries such as Guido Buchwald, Theo Zwanziger, Ewald Lienen, Robin Dutt and current Liverpool manager Jürgen Klopp.
Mehmet Scholl, a former Bayern Munich star and current TV commentator, even once explained why it wouldn't work. Football, he said, is too complex. "Let's assume that you take something to build up your muscles, your coordination would suffer. If you take something for conditioning, you'll get slower." According to Mehmet.
The above are opinions from top level professionals who have been active in football some for like 40yrs You think you're smart by editing the lines before the emboldened above. The article referred to those players claims as asinine. But you deliberately omitted it, to fraudulently suit your opinion. What do you gain with such shameless move? Below is what you didn't want people to read: How often have we heard people make the asinine claim that doping in soccer wouldn't help? Legendary German player Franz Beckenbauer has said as much, as have myriad lesser football luminaries such as Guido Buchwald, Theo Zwanziger, Ewald Lienen, Robin Dutt and current Liverpool manager Jürgen Klopp. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 3:21pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Skills ball recovery are more dependent on intelligence than on strenght.  You never played football on a standard field before, so I understand your ignorance. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 3:13pm On May 25, 2019 |
larride: Why do I have this feeling you are intentionally misinterpreting Dayo?  No misinterpretation here. If you don't have strength/stamina how do you use your skills optimally in a football match? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 3:08pm On May 25, 2019 |
"According to FIFA, some 30,000 tests are carried out on players each year. The organization insists that no other sport is monitored for doping as closely and claims that only 0.24 percent of the samples taken in 2015 came back positive. In just 78 cases, FIFA says, were players found to have taken banned substances.
Just 78? WADA counts 149, almost twice as many. So who miscounted? It likely wasn't WADA. It seems more probable that players who tested positive weren't banned in accordance with the rules.
The WADA document indicates that five players tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in UEFA competitions. One professional player was found to have taken dexamethasone, a cortisone preparation that is banned in competition because it increases concentration and speeds recovery. But there were no consequences meted out to the player.
When contacted, UEFA said that the player "bore no fault" because the substance was from an injection "earlier in the season." Case closed.
In Mexico, a number of players tested positive in 2015, a total of 33 cases. All of the football players were found to have taken clenbuterol, a substance that builds up muscle mass and is primarily used by bodybuilders.
What is going on in Mexico? The country's football association declined to respond to requests for comment. But there was a similar instance in 2011, when five Mexican players tested positive for clenbuterol. None of the players were disciplined and the Mexican Football Federation claimed that clenbuterol is included in cattle feed and that the players must have eaten meat contaminated with the substance. The athletes, the federation claimed, were innocent.
Mitigating Factor
The English Football Association likewise seems to have a distinctive perspective on what constitutes doping and what does not. In 2015, nine players in England tested positive for doping. Two had taken the asthma medication salbutamol, one took amphetamines, another ecstasy. In one case, the banned substance isn't listed and in four cases, players had used cocaine.
According to the FA, three players received doping warnings in 2015, but none were penalized. The FA didn't comment on the other six cases found by WADA.
In English football, however, cocaine and hashish are considered "social drugs." If professionals didn't use the drug on match days, they don't necessarily have anything to fear. One of the players discovered to have used cocaine in 2015, for example, wasn't punished because his use of the drug following a death in the family was seen as a mitigating factor.
Top players in the English Premier League have tough schedules. They play for their club in the national league, in two cup competitions and in the Champions League -- with some players also playing for their national squads. Stars in the Bundesliga, Germany's professional league, also play between 60 and 70 matches per season.
In contrast to track-and-field athletes or swimmers, professional football players also need to prove themselves against their teammates in practice to even get playing time on the weekend. Is all of that even possible without chemical assistance?" |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 2:32pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: PEDs make you stronger but strenght is not one of the main skills needed for football. In a football field, you don't run all the time there is enough time to catch your breath and recover  Foolishness, go and ask professional clubs the reason they have fitness trainers. Go and ask why and what we call sport nutrition. To you, strength/stamina is not essential in football. This is the most foolish view I read this year. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 2:22pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: This your illiteracy you are peddling all over from jeun jeun chop money football you played in your backwater village You keep on disgracing yourself here. You should be thanking me for correcting you on things you foolishly thought you know. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 2:11pm On May 25, 2019 |
raumdeuter: Professional footballers train daily and if you train daily without drugs Ignorant soul. Go and ask any professional footballer from Ogbomosho about creatine monohydrate, mega men sport or other stuff pros use to remain fit throughout the season. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 1:55am On May 25, 2019 |
afrodoc2: Tramadol that most commonly causes nausea, dizziness, drowsiness and weakness. LOL You better go and do more research and stop working with 19th century medical beliefs. Trams that most Nigerian league players use to play their gidigbo football. Even cyclists use it to enhance performance. "He started taking tramadol when his doctor prescribed it to him as pain relief from chronic pancreatitis, but soon realized that he could both train and race better while taking the drug. “Using tramadol can feel as good as getting a blood transfusion for athletes,” says Mullins. “You can pop a pill 18 hours into a 24-hour endurance race and it’s an immediate boost that helps you power through the end" |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 12:17am On May 25, 2019 |
nihilistjnr: but nobody else is playing like Messi, and there are people taking PEDs.
PED can only boost your physical attributes...it cannot boost your skill level, or decision making.
And that's the point raumdeuter and I are making....football is a team sport, where physical ability is only a small piece of the puzzle.
Rudiger is the fastest player at Chelsea, but how many times does a centreback need to make a high intensity sprint per match?
Kante cam run for days, but his limited skill set is what is making Chelsea fans vex whenever Sarri plays him out of position.
The gains you get from PED might not be significant enough to overshadow your technical deficiencies. This is untrue, we have some PEDs that work as cognitive enhancers. Some GNC products even do provide such functions. Mental alertness is part of what boost your sporting performance. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 12:04am On May 25, 2019 |
nihilistjnr: weed?
or tramadol?
fam have you done drugs before?  Use two capsules of trams 20mins to the match and come and tell me about your performance after the match. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 11:14pm On May 24, 2019 |
nihilistjnr: lol bruv weed and tramadol are more likely to knock you, than give you energy to play ball. This is not correct, if you use the right dosage you will play like a trojan, trust me. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 11:07pm On May 24, 2019 |
nihilistjnr: I agreed with Dayo.
Some of the best players in the world are not particularly quick, strong or have stamina.
The only stage I can see PED giving a huge advantage is in youth team.
See Antonio Valencia, built like a tank, faster than igwe ndi gala sellers at obalende, and still got demoted from winger to right back and eventually to ball boy.
Adama Traore carry biceps like terminator, and is faster than a speeding mopol truck, yet can't even make 1st team in Wolves.
The average training routine for footbsllers will keep them super fit anyway. Nobody asked anyone to go and give PED to one foolish Abudu in Ogbomosho, who never had football talent, and expect him to play like Messi. PED boosts/enhances performance of a skilled footballer, and that's key. Liverpool's Sakho, was killing everything until he had a scare and down he went back to his normal level. There are different types of PED, some are used before and after training sessions, while some are used on matchday. When your energy level is low, the ability to carry out your quality sporting skills effectively, go down. So you start looking disinterested like Martial. Falling down everywhere like Boathand. Jugging sluggishly, like Busquets. When you start seeing Iwobi, suddenly defending well, dribbling constantly, running, without getting tired and shooting like Taiye Taiwo, trust me it's not only hardwork or because of nutrishake. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 9:58pm On May 24, 2019 |
raumdeuter: The nature of team sports makes it less dependent on physical abilities. If you take steroids daily, as a basketballer it won't improve your shooting accuracy ability to fake and deceive opponents or ability to block shots
PED won't make Lukaku suddenly able to trap ball better or dribble like Messi
Aside midfielders most players only sprint in bursts. When the ball is not with you, you usually catch a breather and prepare for the next sprint, most of the movement on the pitch is jogging until the action comes to you and you sprint
That's why Africans can be fit and strong like Hanks Anuku but when they pass the ball around them at the world cups they end up chasing shadows and lose
I saw an article where Man City was the 12th rated team in the EPL in distance covered. That's because they have the method of conserving energy for crucial moments
Huddersfield who ended the season with 16 points and just 3 wins were 6th on the distance covered chart This one knows nothing. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by airmark(m): 9:16pm On May 24, 2019 |
obainojazz:
Was that why you were able to swim across continents... Sorry I had to make a joke with that  Thunder from Okija must fire you. |