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The man's jaw and neck muscles must be extraordinary. Nevertheless, I won't encourage anyone to do this - its might not be outside the realm of possibilities to tear an artery and die from this stunt.

B1abiastate:


[size=28pt]been a Biafran or massop or Ipob members will only get you been deported from nigeria to Cameroon. [/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag4ARtLJWs0
https://cdn1.dailypost.ng/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/nnamdi-kanu-handcuffs.jpg

This is the history:Cameroon was included in the name because at the time (1945) Cameroon was an administrative part of Nigeria (You know Germany losing the WW2 and the UN handing over its colonial regions to Britain and others). In fact, during Nigeria's preparation for independence, a referendum was conducted in southern Cameroon and the people chose to go with French Cameroon rather than Nigeria.

dogzzy:
I won’t probe Kwankwaso’s administration, says Ganduje
Kwankwaso and Ganduje
Gov. Abdullahi Ganduje of Kano State said his administration would not probe the administration of his predecessor, Rabi’u Kwankwaso.
Ganduje stated this at an interactive session with newsmen in Sokoto on Saturday.
He said, “though there are so much issues of probe across most of the states and the country, but in Kano State, I will not probe the past administration.
“We are only committed to ensuring that all government’s uncompleted projects and programmes left by the past administration are put into use for the benefits of our state.
“Moreover, we will ensure completion of all projects that are due and genuine as well as initiate more in such direction for the overall development of the society,” he said.
The governor also said that their retreat in Sokoto was aimed at discussing issues relating to the party as an institution in order to design a change in the party administration.
“This is to change the usual tradition of party administration in Nigeria, as once election has held, usually, political parties go into hiding and become inactive.
Read more gist:http://www.londonloaded.com.ng/2016/10/i-wont-probe-kwankwasos-administration.html?m=1

I am willing to bet that they are from the same party. One party man spends 8 years in the governor's mansion, the next in line party man takes over. Not probing is part of the agreement among corrupt 'gentlemen.' If I am wrong, someone should please correct me.

How does he prove that Daura is not running things? Any move short of sacking Daura will not satisfy wailers.

At any rate, the only reason this might even be an issue is because people are suffering. If the economy was booming, nobody cares who is running things.

Benny Hinn is a fraud

http://www.blog.joelx.com/pastor-benny-hinn-fraud-scam-divorce/4863/

https://www.onfaith.co/commentary/the-five-most-disturbing-things-about-a-benny-hinn-miracle-service


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVG1x-rh6FE

orimsam:
some YOOTS are coming for ur head

Let them come...they are my wives.

Yoruba culture stronger than Olumo rock - it roots itself wherever its planted.

How many times are you gonna cripple Lagos and Ogun with your mouths?. Word is cheap. Let me give you an example "tomorrow I am gonna blow up the moon and the sun," you see what I mean?. Please the media should stop giving this riff raffs attention they are toothless

bibe:
I guess this should settle this argument and the excerpt comes from a renowned Ogba indigene:

Every man is created for a purpose to which he represents. Man's sense of mission on earth is not only measured by his articulation of the ideals which he believes in, but also by his tenacity to defend those ideals. Men fight for different causes, and whatever may be their nature, these causes eventually define the individual's place in history. In Nigeria as in elsewhere, each of the public figures, living or dead, has one thing or the other that he would be remembered for.
The passing recently of Ogbuehi, Chief, Senator Francis Ellah, Eze Nwadei of Ogbaland in Rivers state, has marked yet another turning point in the geo-politics of the post-war Igboland and Nigeria in general. The Ogba high Chief, besides his active involvement in the Nigerian national politics, where he was once a federal minister, was as well involved quietly in the struggle to resist the corruption of his identity.
The drive by some of his Rivers kinsmen to differ from other Igbos on ethnic identity was consistently known to have been repudiated by the high Chief, and to which he and his fellow traditionalists had fought long hard to show the need for assertiveness in their domain..
Down the path of his honourable life, the virtues of doggedness, clear vision and principles were consistent with Senator Ellah, even as he resigned his membership of the Nigerian Senate in 1984 following issues of conflicting interests. He was one of the premier voices on the methodology of oil revenue allocation to the bearing communities. Chief Ellah was a graduate of History at the University of London (University college, Ibadan).
Responding against the backdrop of the incendiary nature of the question of who is an Igbo in Rivers state, and the variety of the dialects, the Senator once said, " We have described this before; I told you an Igbo is an Igbo. If you look at the language, culture, etc, these are some of the things that determine an ethnic group. I'm a student of History. I started from the known to the unknown. Being an Igbo, I started with Igbo History, and then studied other ethnic groups"
After his years in the public service where he rose to become the Head of the Civil Service in Rivers state, he ventured into private business and eventually got to his pinnacle. Upon founding the Ellah Lakes Plc, he sat on the board of many organizations until his sudden death.
Chief Ellah's wisdom and intellect were universally recognised, and which, on many occasions had brought upon him the burden of representation on very serious matters concerning Ndigbo in Nigeria. A rare privilege enjoyed by the likes of Chief Justice Chukwudifu Oputa or His Majesty, Prof. Chike Edozien. With the passing of Chief Ellah and others such as Chiefs MCK Ajuluchukwu, Sam Mbakwe, Akanu Ibiam etc., the number of these rare breed of people is fast on the way out, unless something drastic was done to change the psychology of leadership in Igboland.
It would be recalled that Chief Ellah was nominated by the Ohaneze to attend the 2005 National Political Reform Conference in Abuja, and had been consulted severally on the lingering dispute that is currently tearing the organization. He was also responsible for the opening of the Biafran mission in the U.K during the 1967--70 Nigerian/Biafran war.
The life and times of this great Igbo son, a true bridge-builder, is worthy of special celebration by all sons and daughters of Igboland. The thoughts and prayers of all should, at this difficult moment, be with his family. Chief Ellah was reported to have died on the 23/4/08 at the age of 80 of what was believed to be natural causes. May his gentle soul rest in peace.
CC.

No this does absolutely nothing to settle the argument. I have read this obituary/eulogy. It does not contain any evidence to disprove the claimed Bini roots of the Ogbas. All the same RIP to Senator Ellah

steppin:
Yeah, right! Tell that to the rest of Nigerians who believe they're Igbos, regardless of what they call themselves.

Still doesn't make it true. Still doesn't disprove their claim that they originate from Bini. You should know that at one time most of Europe believed the earth was the center of the universe - popular believe but dead wrong nevertheless.

steppin:
They can be whatever they feel like, but the truth is always gonna be there glaring at them.

What is the truth? One man's truth is another man's lie. Learn to live and let live.

steppin:
If they don't wanna be Igbo, they should lose the igbo identity in them.

What you see as Igbo identity they see as Ogba identity. Hence their reluctance to lumped with you

steppin:
I won't try to explain or argue further,

I doubt you have any arrows left in your quiver hence you can't argue further.

steppin:
Igboid has already done that and did a great job.

Any objective arbiter will easily see how I (easily) wiped the nairaland floor with your colleague - I don't expect you to see that however considering your sympathetic Igbo-centric point of view.

steppin:
Have a nice day.

Wish you same, Shallom

EagleNest:
@Akinphysicist, you can see that you have surficial knowledge on this subject matter of argument.

Don't be silly. Nowhere in my posts did I claim I had definite knowledge of the origin of the Ogbas. The reality is nobody does and hence we must respect the oral tradition of the Ogbas themselves. My contention with your colleague is that he insists that he has independent "third party" irrefutable research as evidence that the Ogbas did not originate from Bini and have always be Igbos. When I demanded he provide this research he became even more evasive exposing himself as an empty suit.

EagleNest:
And when you realised that you have been exposed as empty on this matter you started shouting and labelling everyone IPOB.

On the contrary. I not only exposed your colleague as intellectually dishonest. I was able to show that he claims independent research that he is unable to provide. If someone declares himself an IPOB, what is wrong in addressing him as such?

EagleNest:
You started well but lost it completely.

Again, on the contrary I started well and ended even better. The posts are up there for every objective nairalander to peruse. I don't expect an Igbo-centric mind like yours to be objective.

EagleNest:
I have stayed in Ogbaland and I could not see any atom of Bini in them but mainly Igbo.

Assuming you are not making up stories then lets reason together: definition of mainly - for the most part; predominantly; So even right from the gate, you are already suggesting that there are non-Igbo elements in Ogba culture. So, since this non-Igbo elements are not of Bini (according to you) can you kindly describe them so we can be able to ascertain their origin or origins? Thank you.

EagleNest:
It baffles one's imagination how this came to be.

Very simple. Two words: cultural assimilation.

EagleNest:
There is serious anomaly created in that geographical zone in the bid to reconfigure the psyche and cultural identity of these people for political and economic gain of the feudal Lords.

This is a conspiracy theory. And even if I accept your theory, it does not negate the Ogbas insistence that they originate from Bini.

EagleNest:
Next time chose your battle well.

I would GLADLY do it all over again - few things give me more pleasure than exposing empty intellectual suits.

steppin:
AkinPhysicist had to resort to insults cos his argument was weak.

describing something the way I see it is not an insult - I know he is an Ipob Yoot and even he does not deny it.

steppin:
Igboid was kicking his ass and kept making him look like a kid.

Au contraire: what I accomplished yesterday was expose the guy as a poorly educated wannabe - the conversation is there for everyone to see. But been an Ipob sympathizer I don't expect your to be objective

steppin:
If the Niger delta Igbos like, let them deny their roots to thy kingdom come, people like AkinPhysicist won't hesitate to group them as Igbos when necessary.

Don't be silly: why would I call someone Igbo who says he is not Igbo. This is the 21st century - tribal identity should not be forced on anyone. And you still do not get it. If you insist they must accept being Igbos, then won't they see that as denying their Bini roots? You Igbos have to learn to see things from other peoples point of view, otherwise you will continue to have problems in this country.

bismarck:
....The Ogba high Chief, besides his active involvement in the Nigerian national politics, where he was once a federal minister, was as well involved quietly in the struggle to resist the corruption of his identity.
http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2008/apr/282.html

This is an obituary/eulogy of the late Senator Francis Ellah a pro-Igbo member of the Ogba community. This is NOT the proof that your colleague promised to provide. He said he has independent "third party research" that completely proves that 1.the Ogbas do not originate from Bini and 2. They have always been Igbo. Nothing in this obituary does that. Obviously, even a detailed scholarly research (if it exists) done by the late senator would not qualify as "third party research" since he was part and parcel of the now non-existent Biafran government.

I know what you are trying to do. You realized that your colleague has backed himself into a corner. So this is your attempt to help him out. But you have to do way better than this. Also remind your colleague that in addition he also claims that he has historical evidence that no one in Yorubaland was bearing a name that has the word Oba before the arrival of the British.
. Please remind him not to forget to supply this ' evidence'

bismarck:
Igboid gave good points why Ogba claims to Bini is laughable.

I am very surprised that one Ipob yoot is siding with another - why is that so? Nigerian vs Ghana and the referee is named Asamoah Gyan. I am still waiting for your Ipob brother to provide the INDEPENDENT research he CLAIMS to have to prove his assertions. And please warn him not to come here with IPOB- inspired publications. As you can see from the above posts, I strike to kill (intellectually speaking of course). As for you, go and sleep joor - you are embarrassing yourself here. You are so dumb you make your poorly educated Ipob colleague seem like a top rate nuclear scientist.

CandyDiamond:
Egun,Aworis,Ilejas,okun languages cannot be heard by Yorubas,even Ijebus claim that they are not Yorubas that they migrated from Sudan,that is why Yorubas hate them so much. Igbos are not castigating anybody from been Igbo but denying it,it is you Yorubas that is carrying it on your head day and night on various social media, writing how chibuike Amaechi,okechukwu oliseh is not Igbo despite bearing Igbo names and speaking Igbo,what you people tend to gain from it is what I don't know. You will not see any Igbo person writing how Begun,Aworis,ilejes,okun are not Yorubas

I have not heard (not once) a single member of these tribes claim not to be Yoruba. Not once. In fact my mom is Ijebu to the core - one of the most beautiful spoken tongues in human history in my opinion. But am willing to be proven wrong. Give me a link to the website of any of these groups were they say they are not Yorubas. I have seen numerous websites of many of these so called 'Igboid' groups adamantly identifying with Bini instead of Igbo. So far, I have seen you Igbos give two main reasons why these groups (who you claim to be your kins) are denying you and embracing Bini people:

1. The after effects of the Biafran war - with being Igbo seen as a liability.
2. Igbos were not expansionists like the Yorubas, Fulanis or Binis.

Clearly you can see that these two scenarios does not apply to Yorubas at all. This is a unique Igbo problem (IF your claims to these so called Igboid groups are true). And those of you who are honest will agree. Don't equate rivalry between certain Yoruba groups (Egbas vs Ijebus; Aworis vs Eguns etc.) to Ikas or Ogbas adamantly refusing the Igbo tag. Is like saying, that just because an Anambra man considers himself superior to the Imo man then somehow one of them is NOT Igbo while the other is - makes absolutely no sense.

Again, (Even though sometimes we joke around on nairaland) I have nothing against Igbos. My loyalty is to fairness. It is not fair (especially in this 21st century) to insult, castigate, demean and patronize any group of people just because they refused to identify with another group - this is my stance as an omoluabi.

Igboid:
There are many academic research on Ogba language and people by third parties. Non points towards Edo.

Please post this independent (Not Ipob-published) academic research. Thank you.

Igboid:
I had looked it up,and I had simply stated why Ogba couldn't have been Bini speaking originally in my first reply to you.

You looked it up? where?! In the Ipob book of revisionist history? Otherwise provide your source or stop been silly. You are just making conjectures based on your understanding of culture which is largely driven by your Igbo-centric Ipob ideology. I have no problem with conjectures however you seem to be driven by a blind 'religious' certainty. The only way, you can be this certain is if you were there, several hundred years ago when these events took place. Since, I can easily prove that you were not alive at the time, then all you are blowing is smoke without fire.

Igboid:
You are the Yoruba man totally out of your depths in Igbo and Ogba history, yet felt the need to meddle into a topic you know little about. You are the one with a pre conceived conclusion.

Its funny how the Ogba people account of their history agrees with this Yoruba man's hypothesis. I wonder who is really out of their depths here?

RIZLER:
Akinphysicist seriously speaking you have no point trust me I am far from being an ipob

Go ahead 'enlighten' me with your 'superior' points sir.

Igboid:
Why would Akalaka change his Edoid name to Igbo ones? What self preservation are you speaking of?

I wish I could ask Akalaka the same question. But I understand he died several centuries ago - which leaves us with no other options than to send someone to the other side to question the great Ogba ancestor. Are you willing to volunteer?

Igboid:
There was no Igbo empire in SE out to assimilate Ogba, even Ogba Edoid neighbors, the Engennis and Epies all still retained their Edoid languages.

Again, for the umpteenth time. Cultural assimilation does not require an 'empire.' All that is required is a dominant culture and language that could (under the right social-cultural/economic forces) lead to the extinction of not so dominant tribe. You in one of your post have even bragged about the INFLUENCE of the Igbo tribe in that general region.

Igboid:
You are simply creating a scenario that never existed out of thin air, to support your stand.

We are both presenting hypothesis since none of us was there when the Ogba community was founded several centuries ago. The difference between us is that I have the intellectual humility (and honesty) to accept this. You on the other hand insist that you claims (that run counter to those of the Ogbas) are absolutely true because of course you were there hundred of years ago when the Ogba community was founded.

Igboid:
Not even Ogba people speak of a lost Bini name.

Yet the same Ogba people makes it clear that they are Binis originally and not Igbo so stop splitting hairs here.

Igboid:
You are clearly fishing in shallow waters here.

Obviously still deeper than that dirty Aba gutter you have been trying to fish from the whole day.

ThumbzTNA:
As usual your type descends into insults when outsmarted intellectually

Nairaland referee you are duly noted. Now go ahead and identify the areas were I was 'intellectually outsmarted.'

Igboid:
Another Irrational point. OjB people speak an Igboid language, so I fail to see the relevance of his name to our discussion.

Akalaka and his people bear Both Igbo names and speak Igboid language. This your example would hold, if Akalaka though with Igbo name, but his Ogba people are Edo speaking. Then we can say that name alone is not enough to classify a person.

So once again, Apples and Oranges brother.

Calm down son. I was quoting your Ipob sister who could not believe that someone would bear an Igbo name and still claim to be of Bini origin. This is what happens when you jump on quotes without taking time to grasp the context. The Ogba people might have been Edo speaking but due to culturally assimilation their Edo dialect became extinct. This is a possibility that even you as Igbo-centric as you are cannot dismiss without stepping into the dung of intellectual dishonesty.

Igboid:
The only example that could fit into your argument is that of Apoi Ijaws in Ondo state, but then again, Apoi Ijaws already have Ijaw in their name, indicating their origin, even though they are now Yoruba speaking.

So (based on the above) one can argue that since the Ogba people do not have either Bini or Igbo in their name OGBA common sense would tell you that they should be allowed to choose their origin story without been demeaned and patronized. They have chosen Bini as their origin - I dare say let them be.

Igboid:
Yes, it's not the only process, but you have so far failed to state how the other process could have tipped Ogba into totally abandoning Bini language for Igbo language when smaller groups like Engenni, Epie, Abua,,Degema held unto theirs.. You have at best decided to remain as vague as possible. Making generalized statements without importing them to show how they relate to Ogba-Igbo relationship. You are clearly out of your depth here.

Don't be silly - nobody knows with certainty how the Ogbas were assimilated (if they were as they determinedly claim) by the Igbo culture. The absence of written records leave us with nothing more than hypothesis either for or against. The best thing we can go by is the oral tradition of the people themselves - in the case of the Ogbas their tradition is that of a Bini origin not Igbo. Now, since, you agree conquest is not the only possible cultural vehicle towards assimilation, then you have (by your own words) debunked your earlier claim that it is impossible that the Ogbas were assimilated by a non-conquest tribe like the Igbos. Also, just because one tribe survived a particular type of assimilation does not mean that some other tribe would also survive - cultural forces are complicated and can be very difficult to predict.

Igboid:
So you resorted to importing events that happened in non Igbo influence area to serve as a template in an Igbo influence area, No?

This is rich coming from someone who was using examples in Spain, Portugal etc. I am still talking about other examples in Nigeria but you on the other hand have cross the Atlantic to the heart of Europe. Remove the log in your eyes son. Moreover, cultural forces are universal - there is NOTHING special about the Igbos that makes them immuned to the consequences of socio-cultural interactions.

In addition, I noticed you conveniently side stepped that vital question. Now the answer is: Yes there are languages in Africa and Nigeria that have gone extinct within the last ten decades.And these are languages that disappeared because the natives stopped speaking them - as a result of the encroachment of a more dominant language. It happens hence it will be an act of gross intellectual dishonesty to dismiss the claims of the Ogba people who said that was what happened to them.

Igboid:
Still making generalized Statements. Are we not?

. I will love to be more specific but unlike you I was not there several hundred years ago when the ancient Ogbas and Igbos were interacting with each other.

Igboid:
No, I can not meet you half way at the wrong way, you clearly lack simple knowledge of factors at play in the traditional and cultural influence zone of Ndiigbo, hence why you keep making generalized Statements and importing alien systems to work on an Igbo influence area.

Yes. I forgot Igbos are so 'special' that the universal forces of cultural interactions does not apply to them. Now, lets not stop there, lets remind the world that the laws of Gravity does not apply to people of Igbo descent either.

Igboid:
This is epic fail from you. Try again later.

This was never a contest for me. But even if that is what you wanna call it, ANYONE with a functioning brain can clearly see that I absolutely decimated you. And I didn't have to copy and paste anything. Just pure logic and reasoning poured the proverbial cold water on your carelessly formulated assertions.

Igboid:
Trash! Historical fact is that no single Yoruba was had the name Oba attached to his name as at when the British arrived our shores.

This is the most hilarious claim I have read on Nairaland in a long time Please do the following:

1. Provide this Historical 'fact'

2. What is so special about the name Oba and the arrival of the British.

Igboid:
Even in Igboland, Eze is called Kings, yet Eze is usually attached to the name of Kings. None whatsoever in Yorubaland. The only one with Oba attached to his name, Oba of Lagos was installed by the Oba of Bini. This historical fact is sacrosanct and no amount of verbose narrative will obliterate it.
Binis also have names with Oba, eg Obaze, Obaseki, so you have no point.

So tell me this: what is the relationship between the way Igbos address their 'Kings' (in quote because Igbos don't have Kings - they only started copying Yorubas and others recently ) and the way Yorubas choose to address theirs?

Now, Yoruba names with OBA (just a few from the top of my head):
OBA-FEMI
OBA-RINDE
OBA-LARE
OBA-SOLAPE
OBA-TOTOSIN
OBA-FUNKE
ADE-OBA
OBA-DELE
OBANJOKO
OBAWOLE
OBAYANA
OBATAIYE
OBA-AIKU

I dare ANY authentic Bini person to even try to match this meagre number - I double-dare you. ;DThe name Oba is as Yoruba as BABALAWO

Igboid:
Because I had read Bini argument and Yorubas own,being a man guided by rationality, it didn't take long to know who is saying the truth and who is lying.

I have doubts that you are guided by even a smidgen of rationality. You seem to me to be the typical Ipob whose only source of pleasure is picking fights with Yorubas on nairaland

Igboid:
Because, it's a name Yorubas call him, it's not a name Binis call him, and it has no meaning in Yoruba language.

I am amused by your ignorance. If you don't know ask - stop exposing your ignorance like this.
Just because you don't know the answer to a question does not mean their is no answer. In Yoruba Odu'a means the one who endowed us with our way of life (or Culture).

Igboid:
No. Just responding to a post I deemed to be presenting falsehood as facts, no offense.

No offense taken - I am aware of your kind of sub-par level of reasoning common on Nairaland.

Igboid:
Trash! Yoruba culture was clear that Oduduwa fell from the sky. Binis said he came from Biniland, Bini perspective makes more sense.

Okay before I engage you further do the following: spend a few minutes to learn HOW to quote. Your quoting presentation is shambolic, difficult read and very far from tidy. If you can't master the simple act of quoting on Nairaland, how am I gonna take you seriously - biko learn fast.

Now let me continue your Yoruba culture education program.

Of course the Bini version makes more sense to you because nothing makes you Ipobs happier than sticking it to the great Yoruba race.

Now, anybody (Yoruba, Bini or Igbo) that tells you that the great O'dua fell (as in physically) from the sky is someone who does not know Yoruba culture. Odu'a essence is of the sky does not mean O'dua fell from the sky.

AnonyNymous:
Obanikoro did not deny it na

Is that so? then he is man corrupt politician of the year.

Igboid:
Until the the end of colonialism, there was not a single King in Yorubaland that goes by the title "Oba", it was always, Oluwo, Owo, Ooni, Alaffin, Olu. The only Oba the British met in Yorubaland was the ones installed by Oba of Bini, like Oba of Lagos.

Yet another example of someone who lacks basic understanding of Yoruba culture. Let me educate you son. In Yoruba the word Oba means King. In our culture, there is only one (Spiritually and physically) Oba in each town. So its culturally tautological for an Oba to refer to him self as Oba. Rather they used titles that usually indicate the region over which they rule over - hence names like Oluwo of Owo etc. Some of the other names are deeply rooted in spiritual nature of their throne like Ooni etc. The term Oba is usually used by the people of a town to refer to their King but specific terms like Ooni, Alaffin etc. are utilized by other Obas or spiritual leaders like babalawo to identify the King. This specific titles are seen to carry more power than the generic Oba title hence their usage. In addition, names with Oba prefixes/suffixes are some of the oldest names you will ever find in Yoruba land.

Igboid:
It doesn't take a soothesayer to know that Oba is a Bini word.

How do you know its a Bini word if you don't even have basic knowledge of Yoruba culture? Read the above for your education

Igboid:
Always the etymology of Oduduwa if reconstructed, leads to a Bini name, "Osazuwa".

And why do you need to reconstruct it if its really a Bini name? Shouldn't it be able to stand on its own without reconstruction? . And by the way is Odu'a - that Oduduwa is for common folks who don't know the culture like you.

Igboid:
Rationally speaking, Oduduwa and Oba are of Bini origin and this is the part of history the Binis subscribe to.

Supporting some alternate version of Yoruba history to spite the Yoruba race is not necessarily rational

Igboid:
It's only out of Ego that Yorubas will exist that Oduduwa descended from the sky, or from the East( Sudan/ Egypt) instead of admitting to the rational conclusion that Oduduwa came from East of Yorubaland, which Bini represents.

Yet another evidence of your lack of basic understanding of Yoruba culture. You are confusing Odu'a the man (physical) and Odu'a the spirit being (or essence). In our culture, every person has an essence. For (another) example Yemoja (is a Yoruba ancestor) who essence is believed to be connected the ocean/river. And even if you still cannot understand this - aren't you Igbos mostly Christians? Don't you believe that Jesus (your Jewish god) floated into the sky from some grave in Israel? So why are you so surprise that other cultures (that even predate Jesus) have similar symbolic motifs? As per the so call Eastern (or Mecca) origin of O'dua - this is a falsehood started by the original Muslim Yorubas (the predate the first Hausa or Fulani Muslims by decades if not a century) who were trying to hijack our culture for their own selfish religious purpose.

Igboid:
Languages go into extinction by conquest. When a superior group conquers an inferior one and imposes its language and culture on them over centuries.

Yes. Languages CAN go into extinction by conquest. But - but conquest is not the only means.

Igboid:
This was how various tribes in modern Spain, Portugal and France were conquered by the Romans, who imposed their Language on them, leading to extinction of many ancient languages there and the evolution of pigeon Roman languages like French, Spanish, Portuguese, Etc, which is why we call them Romance languages.

You have just listed possible examples of extinction of languages by conquest. You are yet to show that this is the ONLY means through which languages become extinct. Let me ask you a simple question (Yes or No) - Are there languages in Nigeria that have gone extinct over the last hundred or so years?

Igboid:
In absence of a conquest, invasion and subjugation, human tend to hold unto their language, as we can see with the myriads of Languages existing in Cross River North senatorial zone, where it's said that you will almost see new language for each 20km traveled.

Yes. They might tend to hold on to but apparently not always successfully. That is the obvious point that you have so far been unwilling to accept.

Igboid:
Everyword rooted in antiquity in Ogba is Igboid and not Edoid.

I doubt you know this as a fact - I have given you several opportunities to describe your connection to the Ogbas other than claiming they are Igbos.

CandyDiamond:
You have started defending your Yoruba side of view of oba,but you people will go about telling people that are Igbo that they are not Igbo,but if people say that Ileja,Owori,Egun that have their own languages are not Yorubas you people be shouting and coercing them to be Yorubas,any Igboid person is Igbo stop feigning ignorance and twisting facts.

Of course I will defend my Yoruba culture and people - who is stopping you from defending Igbos? Defending your culture is not the same as insisting that an entire cultural group most be forced to identify with you against their will. I can guarantee you that if the Ilejas, Oworis and Eguns wake up one morning and say they are not Yorubas, we Yorubas will not miss a single night of sleep. But until then all you have is conjectures and wishful thinking. I have NOTHING against the Igbos. However, I value fairness above most things. So, if some tribe believe they are not Igbos they should be respected and not castigated. That is only fair and most fair-minded people will agree. Do you?

CandyDiamond:
You as a Yoruba man bearing Yoruba names and speaking yoruba,are going to proudly say you are a Bini man. Leave Victor Moses or Goodluck Jonathan own they all have native names,they just choose to go with English names.

Yes I am Yoruba and I bear my Yoruba names proudly. However, the name is not the all and be all of cultural identity. The late OJB Jezreel's real names are Babatunde Okungbowa. Pure Yoruba names but he was a proud son of Agbor in Delta state.

gidgiddy:
Yes I can understand that. What I wont undertand is when an entire community decides to adopt adopt English names and surnames. That is really strange. Why would Ogba people throw away their Bini names to adopt Igbo names? I would love for someone to explain that one to me

It is not unheard of - it is called cultural assimilation.

Igboid:
What you are suggesting is impossible. Ndiigbo were never empire builders, and as such, what you suggested was impossible.

You are still missing the point. A culture NEED NOT build empires to assimilate another culture.

Igboid:
No such things happened. As there are no rational evidence to prove otherwise.

How do you know? Have you ever studied the Ogba culture? How can you be sure there is no such evidence if you have not looked for it yourself? It appears you start with a conclusion (that the Ogbas are of Igbo origin) and isolate your thinking around that claim.

Igboid:
Yes! Nothing on ground support such hypothesis. Everything rooted in antiquity in Ogbaland is Igboid and not Edoid.
There are many academic research on Ogba language and people by third parties. Non points towards Edo.

Everything? Nobody with a basic knowledge of human culture will make such a claim. Think about it and thank me later.

Igboid:
Also, Victor Moses parents were colonized by the British, who forced English language on them.

Question is, at what point did Ndiigbo colonize Ogba people, as to impose Igbo language on them?

Colonialism is NOT the only route to cultural assimilation - this is Cultural Study 101.