₦airaland Forum

CandyDiamond:
No no no,Oba is a Bini word not Yoruba, Oba was impose on Yorubas by Benin empire colonization of Lagos and migration of Bini prince Oduduwa to Ife.

This is what some Bini people say. We Yorubas disagree. The title of King among the Binis has always been Ogiso. The title Oba was imported (together with Bini's very first Oba) by the Binis from Yorubaland.

MXrep:
bros, victor moses has his village dialect and it is not English, thats the difference. These people dont speak igbo as second language but their original first language. Hausa forced their language on many northern minorities but all of them speak their original language first and learn hausa when they grow up and mingle with the larger society, but in the case of rivers people, they speak igbo as first language and has no other language.

This is another argument. The argument I responded to was the suggestion that since Ogbas bear Ibo names then they HAVE TO BE Igbos. Hence I used the Victor Moses example (an African who bears a non-African name) to refute the claim. As per your argument - I lived in the north for almost a decade - I state authoritatively that there are many members of Northern minority tribes who do not speak a single word in their own dialect. The ONLY Nigerian language they know is Hausa (bastardized or pure). All am saying is that people should consider the possibility that similar thing happened to the Ogbas.

Igboid:
Now, what if the name Akalaka changed over the years to sound more Igboid and less Biniad? Have you considered this possibility? Also, Akpa ohia might be an Igbo name but that does not negate the claim that Akalaka (his father) was a bini prince - after all Rotimi Amechi is not Yoruba yet bears a typical Yoruba name - this practice is a very old one.

[quote author=Igboid post=50588083]No such thing happened, as all thing rooted in antiquity in Ogbaland are all Igboid, it's unlikely Akalaka name changed over time. Nothing whatsoever on ground to support this hypothesis.

Thank you for saying unlikely and not impossible because by doing so you have admitted that there is indeed a possibility even from your own Igbo-centric point of view. And how do you know "nothing on ground support this hypothesis."? Are you on ground in Ogba? Are you a member of this tribe? Or are you are comparative researcher who specializes in Ogba culture or at the very least Nigerian culture? So there is no way for you to know with 100% certainty that "No such thing happened..."

Igboid:
No Bini Prince would be going by Igbo name, it can't happen in Modern Bini, it sure as hell couldnt have happened in Ancient Bini.

Are you sure? Human beings will go to almost any length for self preservation and even sometimes self advancement. It won't be the first time someone changes his/her name. Be careful of making universal statements like the above bolden they are almost by definition wrong on 'arrival.' In addition, we still have the possibility that his original Bini name is lost to history.

Igboid:
Bad example. Amaechi surname is Amaechi and his first name is Chibuike, his language is also Igboid, it takes no much rationality to notice that "Rotimi" is an anomaly, and to conclude that he is non Yoruba.

Amaechi senior who name his son Rotimi after the great SAN will disagree with you.

Igboid:
To run this hypothesis, you would have to present another Bini Prince in history with Igbo name, who isn't Igbo speaking.
Seeing as Rotimi is not Yoruba speaking.

Yet Victor Moses (a full-blooded African) is English-speaking. Try another argument.

Igboid:
Akalaka is not just an Igbo name, his Ogba clan is Igbo speaking.

What if the name is Igbo because his clan (as you call it) is Igbo speaking? How does that negate his Bini origin story?

I am no fan of Davido but I have to admit the young man is hardworking - I wish him all the best.

Why is it that not a single Nigerian politician accused of fraud has ever said "You know...it is true...I stole that money...I was wrong but I have already spent it..." Why is it that a 100% of them accused of fraud COMPLETELY deny it? So someone tell me does this make sense? If everyone is innocent then WHO THE HELL IS STEALING THE MONEY?

gidgiddy:
I dont care if Ogba people claim to be decendants of king Henry the 8th of England. What I would like to know is how their names changed to Igbo? If they can remember that they are from Bini, they should be able to remember how their Bini names became Igbo

How does a full blooded African bear the name Victor Moses? Can you understand that?

steppin:
Yoruba man will always try to twist a tale to Favour him.
They have bini ancestry, yet their names, culture and language are from Igbo.
Oyibos colonized us, but we still have our culture, language and every other thing.
How come they lost theirs just because of the civil war?

First of all, we can discuss this issue without anyone resorting to cheap tribal 'insults.' Get it?
Now, to the issue at hand - Yes, there are instances in history were a group of people COMPLETELY assimilate the culture of a dominant group. This is not unheard of so you might want to consider another argument.

Igboid:
The possibility is Zero. Here are why:

1, Ogba father who was said to have left Bini during the time of Oba Awurrae 1, according to Ogba history was named "Akalaka". Akalaka was said to be a Bini Prince.
Akalaka is an Igbo name, not a Bini one. What are the possiblility of a pre colonial Bini Prince answering an Igbo name, bearing in mind that the Binis are a very proud people.
Akalaka would go on to name his two sons, Akpa ohia( yet an Igbo name) and Ogba.
This is a supposedly Bini Man.

Now, what if the name Akalaka changed over the years to sound more Igboid and less Biniad? Have you considered this possibility? Also, Akpa ohia might be an Igbo name but that does not negate the claim that Akalaka (his father) was a bini prince - after all Rotimi Amechi is not Yoruba yet bears a typical Yoruba name - this practice is a very old one.

Igboid:
2. There was no Igbo empire to force down Igbo language on hypothetically Bini speaking Akalaka and Ogba people.
Ogba people claim that their original Bini language was corrupted by Igbo language of their Igbo speaking neighbors who happened to be ( Ukwuani and Ndoni people) two groups who are still suffering from various degrees of Igbo denial themselves and then Ohaji/ Egbema.
But if we for a moment assume that Ukwuanis and Ndoni are proud Igbos, the question arises: Is interaction between Ndoni and Aboh enough to convert an originally bini speaking Ogba into Igbo speaking, without first making them bilingual in Igbo and Bini and then Igbo speaking with evidence of a dead Bini language?
From what we know of human anthropology, the answer is Zero.
This becomes emphasized when we realize that right in the heart of Enu ani, the Yoruba speaking Odiani( Olukumi clan) still speak a Yoruboid language, despite being entirely surrounded by Igbo speaking neighbors, they only became bilingual in Igbo and Olukumi languages.
In Ebonyi state, we have Kele people in Ntezi and Effium, They are entirely surrounded by Igbo speaking tribes, but still speak kele, in addition to Igbo language, ie they are Bilingual.
In Anambra, we have the Igala speaking Olumbanasaa communities, who only became bilingual in Igbo and Igala because of decades of interaction with Igbo speaking neighbors.

Cultural assimilation is very complicated. It appears you do not have a full grasp of it. While it is true that groups like the Olukunmi were able to maintain their language (notice I did not say culture) - the reality is that throughout history MANY groups assimilate language-wise while others maintain most of their language. So the assimilation of the Ogbas would not be outside the realm of possibilities.

Igboid:
In the final analysis, the idea of Ndiigbo influencing Ogba original Bini language, so much that it became entirely replaced by an Igbo one, with no trace of Bini is impossible.
The rational understanding, is that Ogba have always been Igbo speaking since antiquity, rendering the Bini story irrational.

Are you sure this is impossible? Languages do go extinct and are replaced by the dominant language. Also, are you sure that there are no traces of Bini language in the tongue spoken by the Ogbas?

SlayerSupreme:
Absolutely no basis for that claim. It is infact ridiculous.

What makes it ridiculous?

Heaven and Hell are real places

Igboid:
Eze means King in Ogba as with all Igbo speaking realms. Even in Far away Igbanke( Edo state), Isobo( Cross river state) Eze still mean King and not chief.

Oba has no meaning in Ogba language, it is a recent import to suit the "We be bini" story. Which sounds ridiculous, seeing as they are yet to import Bini language and throw away the current Igbo one they speak.

Have you ever considered the possibility (however remote from your point of view) that these people's ancestors were really Binis and not Igbos?

Kingsley1000:
nigeria is retrogressing from 3rd to 5th world country.....some laws ought to be amended,they are just there to restrain and control the poor.....

EXACTLY!

Kingsley1000:
my brother....what about our corrupt politicians,looting is it not a crime?

You can add them to the list - Nigerians are just a bunch of hypocritical people

Yorubas and great achievement...where is the Zuma pic?

Nigerians are hypocrites. This stupid anti-gay law is nothing but religious over-reach. I don't care about what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes. How can you punish this young woman, when tens of millions of Nigerians commit adultery every single day without repercussion. YOU CAN'T JUST CHOOSE AND SELECT WHICH PART OF THE BIBLE AND KORAN YOU WANT TO ENFORCE. THIS IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. USELESS COUNTRY. USELESS PEOPLE.

macof:
I prefer it with Ewagoyin

No Yoruba and Bini should ever fight each other - we are cousins. UNITE AND SHINE.

Good write up - space it a little bit though

Yorubas and brain power like hot Agege bread and butter

Igbos please STOP 'developing' the Brown Roof Republic

The interviewer fine pass am - who get the number?

Fabulogy - sha ma wa wa lo...sha ma wa wa lo...olodu...sha ma wa wa lo

chibuzorAbia:
Na true! I apologise on behalf of my people. That Lagos dey give my people serious headache. Make una reduce your development nau. Na him make we hate Tinubu so. I take Okeke Obama beg una.

Ibos envying the great Yoruba race since 2000 BC

Yoruba people and brain power - like Benson and Hedges

Nigerians like to copy copy white people like mugu. Anything white people do u na go follow like mugu. After if dem call u na monkey u na go de vex

RIP BUT Ibos and fake kings - like agege bread and butter

LecciGucci:
Everybody who didnt bliv what u bliv is ibo abi?..

Kid!... grow up i just dropped my own opinion.
Im not u and ur likes dat indulge in shameless e fight.

e pain am - useless ibo bigot

IPUNTTOPROFIT:
Do u listen to music at all...so its songs like fada fada or shakitibobo or pino pino that is MAMA standard ...I laff u ....no doubt tekno had a good year ,but wizkid is far above him

No mind am - comparing tekno to wizkid, the guy must be smoking something. When wizkid was making hits tekno was in his village eating akpu. They might be equal in age but wizzy is babanla won

Another gay Ibo boy