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yazach:
No you should rather pick up hamed deedat's book to liberate your discourteous

He makes me laugh "he consider shabir Ally to be one of the best Islamic scholar".
I try to know his yardstick for that
later he will spew "intellect"

What has Hamed Deedat argued that Shabir Ally hasn't? I have watched many of his debates and the themes are the same as is the same with many Islamic scholars, the denial of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ; the belief that Christians corrupted the Bible, the denial of the resurrection of Jesus Christ and so on.

I keep asking you but you are scared to answer me:

I will ask again - Your holy text:

1. Confirmed that Mohammad slept with a 9 year old child as confirmed in your holy texts but in order to defend it, you said Mary was 12 years old and Joseph was 90. I asked you to show me and you quoted Catholic encyclopedia as if the Catholic encyclopedia is the Bible.
2. Secondly, let us say the Bible and Catholics never existed - will Mohammad sleeping with a 9 year old child be appropriate? Will you give your 6 year old sister to marry a 54 year old man or your 9 year old daughter to have sexual intercourse with your grand-father?

Stop playing pretend and answer the question

yazach:
But you said the prophet did not recite the qura'an doesn't that sounds oblivious on your path. Did you see why you are not worth arguing with.

Where did I say he didn't recite the Quran - why are you lying? I responded to you the same way when you said, Did Jesus ever read the bible to prove its authenticity?. I asked the same, did Muhammad ever read the Quran to prove it's authenticity? He was an illiterate, he couldn't read

Now you are here twisting what I said and inserting words in my mouth. I never said Mohammad didn't recite fragments of what is consider Quranic - I said he never read the Quran because it was never compiled during his life time. It's evident you are having a hard time keeping up with the topic

ceometromedia:
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A www.metronaija.com reader tells another horrifying story of a robbery attack in Lagos traffic..

A friend was robbed this morning at about 5.45am or so, just by Muson Center as she made her way to turn under the bridge towards Victoria Island, 2 boys walked up to her and without asking any questions, they just smashed the 2 side windows (passenger's side) of her Toyota Corolla and made away with her handbag which contained her valuables. According to her, they robbed another lady beside her just about the same time she was attacked. She was shaken, and I could understand her fears.


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My worry about her (and other victims, particularly the ladies) is not the loss of valuables or damage to their vehicles, but the damage to them psychologically, where they now drive to work with so much fear and trepidation whenever they have to slow down either at a traffic light or to make way for another vehicle to pass. And you know what, they'll leave with that fear for a long time because they need to be at work early, and the Employer isn't going to understand that they had to wait for daylight before setting out to work.

I imagine my young friend driving to work tomorrow morning (on her way from the mainland), and having to pass by her regular route; she'd probably freak out whenever she sees any male walk by or towards her regardless of his intentions. This menace is causing damage that will require time to heal, and I say its totally unnecessary. If we know the dark spots and have been reporting on same, then why cant the authorities ensure that such areas are properly manned during peak traffic hours? I just don't get it!

Beyond rhetoric, here's an appeal from a concerned Lagosian to the Government to really act now and restore our confidence in their ability to secure us, because from where I stand, it may make a lot of sense to get armed (I mean with a Gun, not a knife please!) so that if ever you get robbed in traffic and the guy is walking away, you probably take out your piece from your glove compartment or under your seat and plant a few pellets into his fleeing backside to serve as a deterrent to others with similar tendencies. Selah!

By the way, my friend was thankfully unharmed

http://www.metronaija.com/2015/11/photos-from-another-traffic-robbery-in.html

If I say make we all get gun na, una go dey shout say this no be America. Are there other non-lethal means of protection for women or men? pepper spray, tasers etc.

emwye:
This is a pretty interesting thread to read up on. Why are you both wasting your time?

Does Alexis really think he can intelligently convince Agentofallah (or anyone for that matter) to believe intelligent design?

Does Agentofallah really think he can convince Alexis and discredit what his existence revolves around?

I answer this with a resounding NO! You guys need to chill for a minute.

In my opinion, Agentofallah makes a hell of an argument in support of Evolution and Science.

Alexis, you should do more research and not resort to name calling when arguing along these lines, its just not an intelligent way to go.

Agentofallah, i dont think it looks good on you when you exchange insults - keep it classy like you've tried too - no doubt you are a scholar and a gentleman.

My views - i believe in evolution because i haven't found scientific reason not to. Religion helps me maintain my sanity at the vanity that is life.

Wasn't my intent to call anyone names or insult anyone. Next time, I should be a bit patient. For that, my apologies to AgentofAllah and everyone else.

@emwye:

I have made my point quite clear. I believe in evolution that we can observe. The evolution my friends are talking about is that no one has ever seen it or can't be observed. It requires a BIG assumption on our part - that over millions or years, these possibilities could have happened.

yazach:
Use all means Just learn history and come back to me

I find it hard to keep a dialog with someone who insist on being ignorant. If you seriously want to see the experts of both sides of the argument, please will refer you to Shabir Ally vs. David Wood on several topics. I consider Shabir Ally to be one of the best Islamic scholars of our time. David Wood, a former atheist now Christian is one of the newest and detailed Christian apologetic of our time. I suggest you watch their debates, perhaps it will give you some insight into Islamic theology before you come here and make a fool of yourself

yazach:
Did you need a teacher to teach you history

Just type to google "Prophet Mohammed reciting the Qura'an" follow by "story of the Qura'an"

After you finish your assignment, come back to me

So I should use google now instead of the Quran abi? You are a joke. Go study some history Bros. So far, you have been successful is showing your ignorance

yazach

Your answer is yes, he read the qura'an to before he died. It was not fabricated like bible

He was an illiterate, so how could he read? Please show me the Surah and verse where Mohammad verbally uttered the Shahada. Please tell us the exact year he said it and wrote it down. He was an illiterate and didn't know how to read or write. You desperate attempt of inserting your own feelings into Islamic history is embarrassing Bros. I plead with you to sit down and shut up before you make yourself look more than a fool

Qura'an is mentioned in so many ways inside it

Dude - why do you insist of displaying your ignorance. The Quran didn't exist during Mohammad life-time. It was after his death that the task of compiling the Quran was issued by the then Caliph. The text and creed of the Quran never existed, the 114 Surahs never existed - please stop insisting and showing us how intelligently and historically bankrupt you are.

Can you show me where bible is mentioned in the bible?

Can you show me where Nigeria is mentioned in the Quran or where the word Internet is mentioned in the Quran too? Your argument is baseless and groundless. The Bible is a collection of Christian and Hebrew scriptures consisting of Jewish laws, revelations, history and writings. The same is of the Quran. To argue that the word wasn't mention and as a result, it doesn't hold any value is tantamount to saying that a word doesn't have meaning because you can't historically trace it. I take God beg you, sit down and shut up

Islam is mentioned as the only acceptable religion in the qura'an

The Bible came 600 years before the Quran. 600 years of historical and traceable evidence before Mohammad or Angel Gibril revealed anything to him. Yet he denied historical events of the Bible. He said Jesus was never crucified because an angel in a cave told him so - Roman records confirmed Jesus was crucified; over 500 eye witnesses confirmed Jesus was crucified. Yet Mohammad said it was a lie. Ignorant deluded individuals like you, will not do any objective research but will say the Quran is the only acceptable religion because the Quran said so. The Quran said Adam was 90 feet tall - I am sure you believe that too.

Show me the same thing in the bible?

My response is above

will you stop going beyond the question?

I will ask again - Your holy text:

1. Confirmed that Mohammad slept with a 9 year old child as confirmed in your holy texts but in order to defend it, you said Mary was 12 years old and Joseph was 90. I asked you to show me and you quoted Catholic encyclopedia as if the Catholic encyclopedia is the Bible.
2. Secondly, let us say the Bible and Catholics never existed - will Mohammad sleeping with a 9 year old child be appropriate? Will you give your 6 year old sister to marry a 54 year old man or your 9 year old daughter to have sexual intercourse with your grand-father?

Stop playing pretend and answer the question

yazach:
Did Jesus ever heard the WORD "CHRISTIANITY"? Did he ever read the bible to prove its authenticity?

Stop deceiving your self dude

I will ask you the same questions - Did Mohammad ever say the Shahada to become a muslim? Did he ever read the Quran to prove it's authenticity?

Do you see how stupid your questions are - they have no bearing on the subject at hand. The Bible especially the New Testament are oral events that happened and was written down for reference to record Jesus life and the advent of the Church. The same applies to the Quran. Please answer my questions I have asked? Where in the Bible did it say Mary was 12 and Joseph was 90? You will never find it because Christians use only the Bible as the authoritative word of God and it doesn't exist.

Let me ask you a simple question, are Ahmadiyya considered Muslims?

Christians are not like Muslims who use text that are hundreds of years apart of the main event that we can't historically trace them. Al-Bukhari Hadiths are at least 150 years from the death of Mohammad, that is a very long time to accurately capture what was said and done. Ibn Ishaq is the same. The Bible especially the New Testament is different, the gospels and events that happened where captured and recorded by people that saw Jesus, His disciples, eye witnesses etc.

Muslims on the other hand use the Quran, the Hadith and many other sources to form the Islamic jurisprudence that guide you today. For example, there is no where in the Quran where it says you should pray 5 times a day - absolutely no where but you guys do all the same.

So, you have poked a lot of holes in your argument and you are not intelligent enough to defend them. You have:

1. Confirmed that Mohammad slept with a 9 year old child as confirmed in your holy texts but in order to defend it, you said Mary was 12 years old and Joseph was 90. I asked you to show me and you quoted Catholic encyclopedia as if the Catholic encyclopedia is the Bible.
2. Secondly, let us say the Bible and Catholics never existed - will Mohammad sleeping with a 9 year old child be appropriate? Will you give your 6 year old sister to marry a 54 year old man or your 9 year old daughter to have sexual intercourse with your grand-father?

I dey wait for you oh

yazach:
Ogbeni pack well.
Is catholic not the founder of your religion, where were you then

So Catholics existed before Jesus Christ abi? mumuness at it's highest order. I can't force you to be ignorant Bros; you are doing so very well. Again, I will ask you - where in the Bible did it say Mary was 12 and Joseph was 90?

If you can't provide an answer, it shows how dishonest you are since you are ignoring the original question. Which of God Almighty holy prophets married a 6 year old and slept with her when she was 9? You are yet to answer. I dey wait.

I will even go further. If prophet Mohammad was alive today and you had a 6 year ole daughter and he asked that he marries her and you know he will sleep with her when she turns 9, would you do it?

yazach:
Mary was 12 years old when betrothed to Joseph

Catholic Encyclopaedia says:

“When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, “the Lord’s brother”). A year after his wife’s death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place.” [6]

One thing needs to be remembered, although they say that she was 12 years old when she was betrothed to 90 year old Joseph, most Christians of today reject this story, because Joseph would be labelled a ‘paedophile’.

‘History of Joseph the Carpenter’ also confirms that Mary was 12 years old when betrothed to Joseph. Chapter 3 and 4 states:

3. Now when righteous Joseph became a widower, my mother Mary, blessed, holy, and pure, was already twelve years old. For her parents offered her in the temple when she was three years of age, and she remained in the temple of the Lord nine years. Then when the priests saw that the virgin, holy and God-fearing, was growing up, they spoke to each other, saying: Let us search out a man, righteous and pious, to whom Mary may be entrusted until the time of her marriage; lest, if she remain in the temple, it happen to her as is wont to happen to women, and lest on that account we sin, and God be angry with us.

4. Therefore they immediately sent out, and assembled twelve old men of the tribe of Judah. And they wrote down the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. And the lot fell upon the pious old man, righteous Joseph. Then the priests answered, and said to my blessed mother: Go with Joseph, and be with him till the time of your marriage. Righteous Joseph therefore received my mother, and led her away to his own house. And Mary found James the Less in his father’s house, broken-hearted and sad on account of the loss of his mother, and she brought him up. Hence Mary was called the mother of James. Luke 24:10 Thereafter Joseph left her at home, and went away to the shop where he wrought at his trade of a carpenter. And after the holy virgin had spent two years in his house her age was exactly fourteen years, including the time at which he received her.

Catholics also believe in purgatory - which is when you pay the Catholic church enough money, then can pray for your relative that was in hell and your relative will not go to hell. That is called "Catholic traditions" - it means it's not biblical

Second, while you are at it, read the catholic 10 commandments - they left out the commandment where Christians are taught not to make any graven image and worship it. Again, this is not biblical. Christians don't worship images or bow down to them

While you can refer to heresies as Christian belief, it goes to show what you know about Christianity. So I will ask you again, WHERE IN THE BIBLE DID IT SAY MARY WAS 12 AND JOSEPH WAS 90?

yazach:
Ordinary church goer christian like you will not know

And "scholars" like you who make such claims but can't reference it or state it's source shows how desperate you are. It's true that Mohammad married a 6 year old child - that is from Islamic theology and the Hadith; that was the custom then and in many parts of the world. He slept with the girl when she was 9 years old; now that is a disturbing fact. Other cultures didn't sleep with their kids at such a young age; it was prevalent in the Arab culture which Mohammad came from. In your mind, that is somehow justifiable and instead of you to honestly address such practice; you will ignore it and run in another direction claiming Mary was 12 and Joseph was 90. The Bible is the authoritative source for Christians, every "Church goer" knows that.

I will make it simple, here is the hadith confirming how old Aisha was when she was married and when Mohammad slept with her:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Which of God's holy prophets do you see marrying children? While you are at it, please do justice by showing us from the Bible or even your Quran where it claimed that Mary was 12 and Joseph was 90

yazach:
Did you know what you deny and accept before you can post here is that not enough for you to be a hypocrite

Don't forget that marry was married to a 90 years old man at age 12

I have a simple test for you - can you show us in the Bible where it made claims that Mary was 12 and Joseph 90?

JigsawKillah:
abeg check your mail

Post your email and I will forward them to you

Jamie1360:
its been long that i've posted something in this section, so I was reading the Bible today, when something came up my mind, and I'll like someone intelligent to answer me,
I was thinking if truly Jesus was God, the period of time the bible said he died, who was in charge of the universe please no abuse

;cc

:lalasticlala

You probably have heard and read in Christianity that God is three-in-one: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (see Matthew 28:18-20). The three parts are separate personalities. And yet together, they form one being: God. Let me give you an example, perhaps it will make sense:

There is only ONE government in Nigeria. The government is composed of the executive, a legislature and a judiciary. Each of these branches have their own role but they make up and are part of ONE government in Nigeria. This is not a perfect example since we are trying to understand and describe Almighty God (In Christianity).

To your question: Who was in charge of the universe when Jesus died?. I will address your question:

1. Jesus Christ is divine and God, He took on a human form to relate to men. He died a natural death but that doesn't mean He lost His divinity. 1 Peter 3:18 puts it this way - being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit. So, it can easily be deduced that his separation from His body didn't impede Him from running the universe
2. Let's assumed Jesus died both in the flesh and spirit and for the time He was dead, He could do nothing. His Father ran the universe - that is no so hard since the Triune God concept in Christianity teaches that

I hope I have addressed your question

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yazach:
The joke is about the cancer you are developing because you want to blackmail Islam

Stop hiding behind accusations Bros. In debates, you don't play a child. You have open honest discussions. Something it appears you have a hard time doing

proxy20:
Django is a free and open source web
application framework, written in Python,

Django doesn't port your code as mobile apps across all mobile platforms

yazach:

Did you regard your response as intellectual You are too funny

You seem to be the only one laughing. I wonder what the joke is about

personal59:
Its not writing anywhere that if u don't touch or kiss it it invalidate ur hajj anyhow sha Ur opinion and understanding is urs and only urs and likewise mine and I don't force it on u just saying mine base on what I know and trying to let u see it from different perspective and so far u are bent on urs I don't think u should av mk it look like u want to rub mind at first so brother thanks for ur time am not quoting u to open ground for argument bt for us to learn bt think I got it all wrong may Allah be with us all and increase our knowledge and understanding in his deen thanks once again brother as salam alaykum waramotulah wabarakatu

May Allah open our eyes to the truth that He wants us to see - salam alaykum waramotulah wabarakatu

personal59:
Mr u are mixing the point here he kissed d stone doesn't mean he worship it get that right if u adore something it doesn't mean u worship d stuff now haba unless u have something else u want to prove o bt with this nah u get it wrong the prophet never worship it

Let me get this straight - millions and probably a billion Muslims travel from all over the world every year to one stone that is in Meccah (in the process they enrich the Saudi Monarch) to kiss a particular stone and you call that what? Kissing an object that everybody kisses is a sign of respect, reverence and worship. The idea is that you have given an object more respect than anything else. Only Allah should have our respect or worship.

If there was a certain tree in your village that all Nigerians visited every year and paid hundred of thousands of naira to touch it and kiss it and pray to it - you will call that adoration? Only Almighty God demands our adoration, no one else. The problem here is that Muslims like you will not think objectively. Thousands of Muslims die so often at this event especially at the stoning of satan that it has become a night-mare. satan is a jinn; he is not a physical being so I find it hard to understand why supposedly intelligent muslims think they are stoning satan. I am sure he has the best laugh every year because it is muslims that die in the hundreds and thousands when they go to stone him because he is never there.

Also, Allah never instructed this - never! This pagan ritual was incorporated into Islam and it hurts me because only Allah should be worship and no one else. Allah never told mohammed or anyone else to kiss the Kabbah or adore it; he expressly and explicitly forbid it. May God Almighty guide the ignorant

Kivy seems to be the write platform since you are already coding in python. Another simple platform is phonegap.com - I am sure you can write html and css code. Phonegap converts those into mobile apps that can run on most mobile platform - just another alternative

What is the significance of this thread. Why are people asking to be added to the What's up group? Do these people want to learn Python and they need help?

yazach:
Don't tell me the video did not solve your problem

This one should

https://www.nairaland.com/2291292/rebutals-library-solution-recycled-topics

People don't post videos when they engage others in an intellectual dialog. I can do the same but that wouldn't do justice to the discussion. From jump-start, you were never objective. To you Islam is perfect; to me God Almighty is perfect - a big difference! History and evidence shows that my position is more objective.

Whenever you decide to engage me constructively and objectively; we can have an honest discussion. Until then may Allah bless you because you seem to think that I am not a Muslim

yazach

This your response only expose how your shallow thinking and reasoning is and I will make it clear to you
For example:
If you meet a man with your wife on your bed in your bedroom, am sure you will switch on the fan so that they can enjoy more

That is irrelevant to the topic at had. Since you are unable to intellectually respond to me, you are running with your tail between your legs in another direction

In such scenario, average man will result to beaten up the wife mercilessly but because of this human nature, Islam deals with this situation and further explain gives limitation to how you beat her if you chose to
Question: When a christian man beats his wife, is it Islam that that also tells him to beat her?

You are not doing justice to the issue. In Islam, when a woman commits adultery, she is to be stoned. So, clearly the beating of the wife in Islam is not when she cheats. You are inserting an alternative into the text and it's very clear to see your dishonesty. Your grasp of the subject matter alarms me and shows your command of Islamic theology - it's sad, very sad. You probably have to go and learn more about Islamic theology and it's application

Please you need to know the difference between encouragement and allowed I think this is where your problem lies
With regards to other issues you raised, well I say say that; what you have under your nose is more than the mouth therefore look beyond your nose you will see more

Another ignorant reference that is not related to the topic at hand. You have refused to engage me intellectually within the confines of Islamic sources i.e. the Quran and Hadiths. All I can suggest now is you stop embarrassing yourself and do more research. Be honest with yourself and let Allah guide you to be honest.

carinmom:
He is Allah's messenger and definitely the best of mankind.

Salaam

You didn't answer me - is he greater than Allah?

personal59

Pls where do u see ur own quran nd its meaning

I read the same Quran you read

Qr 21 vs 66 suratul al-anbiya says: he said, "then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you?

Nd it is explaining what happen between Ibrahim and his family.

That is true and I am not doubting that. What I am saying is that Allah give instructions to Ibrahim first and then to all Muslims including the prophet not to worship any idol or stone. Here is the full context from Surah 21:55-66:

[b]And certainly We gave to Ibrahim his rectitude before, and We knew him fully well. When he said to his father and his people: What are these images to whose worship you cleave? They said: We found our fathers worshiping them. He said: Certainly you have been, (both) you and your fathers, in manifest error. They said: Have you brought to us the truth, or are you one of the triflers? He said: Nay! your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who brought them into existence, and I am of those who bear witness to this: And, by Allah! I will certainly do something against your idols after you go away, turning back. So he broke them into pieces, except the chief of them, that haply they may return to it. They said: Who has done this to our gods? Most surely he is one of the unjust. They said: We heard a youth called Ibrahim speak of them. Said they: Then bring him before the eyes of the people, perhaps they may bear witness. They said: Have you done this to our gods, O Ibrahim? He said: Surely (some doer) has done it; the chief of them is this, therefore ask them, if they can speak. Then they turned to themselves and said: Surely you yourselves are the unjust; Then they were made to hang down their heads: Certainly you know that they do not speak. He said: What! do you then serve besides Allah what brings you not any benefit at all, nor does it harm you? Fie on you and on what you serve besides Allah; what! do you not then understand? They said: Burn him and help your gods, if you are going to do (anything). S. 21:51-66 Shakir[/b]

The verse 66 clearly states; "Do you then worship beside GOD what possesses no power to benefit you or harm you?" S. 21:66 Khalifa

Allah has told us never to worship - "ANYTHING", no matter what it is except Him. He is the Almighty and no stone can represent Him. This is what I am trying to explain to you guys. So, except you are saying this is not the word of Allah or you are saying it's not true. Is that what you are saying?

Qr 5 vs 90 suratul Al-Ma'idah says: o you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, (sacrificing on) stone alters (to other than Allah) and defining arrows are but defilement from the work of satan, so avoid it that you may be successful

So what's d correlation with the hadith u quote which is not even completed my dear if u want to know more abt islam move closer to d knowledgeable ones and not under d tree discussion sorry if I sound harsh but that's d truth.

Surah 5:90 has instructed Muslims that any kind of worship to anything else other than Allah is the work of satan. Is Allah in the stone in Meccah? Where in the Koran did Allah tell us as Muslims to kiss or worship any object apart from Himself?

You are ignoring the Quran and the implication it has. Look at what Al-Bukhari said:

Narrated Salim that his father said:

I saw Allah’s Apostle arriving at Mecca; he kissed the Black Stone Corner first while doing Tawaf and did ramal in the first three rounds of the seven rounds (of Tawaf). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 673)

Here is another one:

Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabia:

‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said, "No doubt, I know that you are a stone AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667)

Here is Umar saying the samething - I know it's wrong to kiss and worship stone but because the prophet did it; I am doing it as well.

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you are a stone AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT NOR HARM. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it and said, ‘There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.’ ‘Umar added, ‘(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).’" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675)

Here it is again.

So my friend; perhaps you are the one that doesn't know how to read your Quran and the Hadith. Idolatry in Islam is a sin against Allah.

carinmom:
If truly you are a muslim, why are you claiming that the Prophet SAW disobeyed Allah? You know that could get you out of Islam.

Brain-washed individual. Did Allah tell us to worship any objects? Is the prophet greater than Allah?

neocortex:
It is already in her post, a woman is half as intelligent as a man - Prophet Muhamed.

Oh thanks, I was just confirming

Actually I don't want to answer you because of the fact that you are only trying to taint and blackmail Islam and by that you result only in looking for any blackmailing sites to copy from.
But you did not know that this affects you negatively as follows:
You spread lies and woe on to the liars and their helpers
You will only increase in hatred against your fellow human being unlawfully
You will always be a seconded because you will not even bother to research the truth just copy and paste
May Allah guide you to the right path!

I find it difficult dealing with people who based their religion on their feelings. If you don't want to answer me, sit down and keep quiet. If you want to counter what I have said, respond with the appropriate references. You lack of initiative to show any authoritative references makes you suspect.

LIBERATION
You want to advertise a product just expose a woman's unclothedness even if the product has nothing to do with women
A woman can chose to marry another woman or her animal
Women are free to dress the way they choose even nakedly
Your wife can go anywhere she likes even without your permission etc.
These are what you called liberation?

Liberation means freedom, the freedom to choose what you want to do. The issue here is not what people decide to do with their freedom but the fact that they are free under the law. So, stop confusing the the expression of freedom as the same with the right of freedom. You are arguing off-point.

Did you bother to read history on pre-Islamic era? Let me give you just two
a) Islam corrected the impression of burying female child(read how)
b) Islam corrected the impression of making women dancing nakedly(read history) in public which today you people are now calling back to

Yet Islam encourages Muslim men to

1. Beat their wives: Surah 4:34; Surah 38:44. In Western society, husbands don't beat their wives. If a woman respects you, she will stay with you.
2. Mohammad punched Aisha in the chest: This is an authoritative Hadith from Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 2127. Later you will claim that I don't know what I am talking about. The funny thing is that these are Islamic sources stating these things and not any other 3rd party.
3. It is true at one point that Mohammed said muslim men shouldn't beat their wives but he changed this stance when the men started complaining. Here is an authoritative reference from Abu Dawud (2141)

I can go on and on. I will not even mention honor killings of women by Muslim men or the marriage of young girls to fully grown men. Yet you will claim Islam liberation is superior to Western values. I think you are some kind of medication because you are not in touch with the real world when it comes to this matter

WOMEN TRAVELLING WITHOUT HUSBAND/MUHARAM (those that can't marry them)
Islam protects women in various ways and one of those ways is that it forbade women to travel without their husband or those that cannot marry them among males (their family).
A right thinking fellow will know that women are not created to have strength as equal as that of men, so in case of any harms, the man will protect her. If the man is not her husband or that cannot marry her is to accomplish her, the safety of the woman is not guaranteed. There might be sexual harassment and the likes or can you rape your sister?

Oh shut up - this is some of the blind ignorant religious rant that pisses me off. So a woman going to the market to buy food needs the strength of her Islamic husband. Or when she is taking her kids to school, she needs the strong arms of her husband to protect her abi? Or if she has to travel to work and be in an airplane? Her husband will enter the plane to protect her abi? These cheap excuses is why women in the Islamic world are leaving Islam and coming to the West so they can escape such prisons you call "security". Women are capable of protecting themselves, where they can't; the civil authority can step in but don't use this weak argument to support the Islamic subjugation of women; it shows you are still living in the 7th century.

WOMEN TESTIMONY
This is a portion of the verse you quoted:
(And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. And the witnesses should not refuse when they are called (for evidence).)
Can you now see that your copy paste only makes you "do as they said." The reason is widely stated but people like you will never comprehend because that is how you have been programmed directly or indirectly.

Bros, you didn't address the question. The fact is that a woman testimony is not enough as compared to a man's testimony under Islamic jurisprudence. The verse is quite clear but you want to show the climax of your ignorance and blindness; be it as it may - I will indulge you.

1. A woman inheritance is worth half of a man: Surah 4:11; 4:176. Please refute the claim that the inheritance of a man is greater than that of a man just for the fact that she is a woman. Sexism is established in Islam automatically. In the West, all people irrespective of their sex are equal under the law. Can you please reconcile Islam position on this. You haven't done justice to this case in Islam, you have so far ignored it

INHERITANCE

In your village, who provide for the family inter of spending? Please don't tell me you share it between you and your wife even if that is what you practice because it is a shame on any man with that orientation.

It might be a shame in your upbringing but not in mine. My wife works not because I can't take care of her but because she loves what she does and as a good husband; I support her. Her wages bring another source of income to the house-hold that we both build together. Again, the emphasis here is a team. Allowing your wife to be free to work doesn't take away your man-hood; perhaps it does in Islam or in your Islam but not in my world.

The inheritance in Islam is not just because one is a male child and the other one is a female child. Let me give simple assignment and it will show you what exactly Islam aims on the issue of inheritance. A man brought three (3) oranges for his three (3) children, so this man is thinking on how to share it among them. Please advise him

You are a BIG liar; please explain Surah 4:11; 4:176 then. After that, I will address your example.

You can save yourself this headache, Islam did not in any way give priority for voting be it a man or woman, we have our own way of government and you cannot tell me to leave the teaching of Islam and adopt man made law. But at that, those countries you mentioned know the importance of protecting the dignity of women and they did not allow them to vote in case there might be commotion. Did you know how you do it in Nigeria? What happen when thugs disrupt voting exercise!!!!

That is the problem isn't it - Muslims think their law is superior to others. That is why we can't reconcile Sharia with our constitution Oga. Beating of wives in Islam is somehow superior to not beating your wives. Only such logic is permissible in Islam and not in the free world. That is why women in Islam are leaving such ideas and bondage and coming to the West to live their lives as they see fit and not under the forceful control of any system; whether it was written by a 7th century god or an illiterate prophet. Secondly, sharia if sharia applied to only muslims, then I don't think there will be a problem but sharia gives one set of laws to muslims and another set of laws to non-muslims. For Islamic ignorants like you, that is proper because "Mohammad said so"

I am not arguing this with you!!!!
Yes, in the western world why will man only marry woman? A woman can also marry another woman now.
Another question:
WHO IS THE HEAD OF THE FAMILY? Maybe you need to go back to your social studies. lol

Thanks for conceding, at least you were honest about it. Another thing you don't know if that there is a huge division in the West when it comes to gay marriage. The facts are simple - America is evenly divided regarding gay marriage where up to 60% of people don't support it. There are many Western countries where gay marriage is not permissible. The fact here is simple, if a woman wants to marry another woman or a man wants to marry another man - the laws of the land allows them whether you or I agree with it or not. Most importantly, gays sexual preference is none of my business - the fact is that in the West, their sexual expression is protected as it should be. We don't kill gay people here like you do in Islamic countries. Gays in Islam run here to the West to seek refuge and sanctuary. They have the right to life even if you don't agree with their life-style

If you did not understand something, you just ask rather than having a conclusion!!!

Oh boy - sit down and park jare. Have you been reading with your eyes closed?

Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."
Please if you don't know about Islam, don't quote Islam
The prophet has explained what he meant by the deficiency in their intelligent not the one you stated or aimed. Try to digest the hadith
If you want to understand more, let your mother leave with your wife for just a year or less, you will understand more of women's intelligent


Can you see the cancer copy paste have caused to you? Did you notice the red color? You will never check and research what you read on blackmailing site all you know is that did the information blackmail Islam then you take it.
The hadith is as follows

Book 004, Number 1038:
Masruq reported: It was mentioned before 'A'isha that prayer is invalidated (in case of passing) of a dog, an ass and a woman (before the worshipper, when he is not screened). Upon this 'A'isha said: You likened us to the asses and the dogs. By Allah I saw the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) saying prayer while I lay on the bedstead interposing between him and the Qibla. When I felt the need, I did not like to wit to front (of the Holy Prophet) and perturb the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and quietly moved out from under its (i. e. of the bedstead) legs.
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Book 004, Number 1039:
Al-Aswad reported that 'A'isha said: You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses, whereas I lay on the bedstead and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came there and stood in the middle of the bedstead and said prayer. I did not like to take off the quilt from me (in that state), so I moved away quietly from the front legs of the bedstead and thus came out of the quilt.
Sahih Bukhari 1:9:493
Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annual prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."
Imagine the incident occure after the death of the prophet when some people were trying to equate women to donkeys and dogs because when those animals pass in front of a man praying, it annuls the prayer and she explain to them that she use to sleep in front of the prophet's prayer and nothing happen to the prophet's prayer. She mentioned this to clarify the matter
I hope you will understand this because there is nothing for you to gain in giving helping hands to blackmailing Islam.
Whether you like it or not, Islam will prevail because it is the acceptable religion by the uncreated creator (ALLAH)
(32. They want to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the disbelievers hate (it).) (33. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, to make it superior over all religions even though the idolators hate (it).)

All these to prove what? I stated the Hadith where Mohammed hit Aisha in the chest and it hurt her. Are you denying that?

neocortex:
You are asking a rhetorical question, the prophet was being frank
with his words , nothing to explain in that hadith.

So, what did he mean?

Proffdada:
so who is being stoned out of confusion?

satan is the one being stoned