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Anas09:
Now you see why i laughed.
Did you say he didnt perform any miracles? Well, let me remind you thay muhammed turn Camel's piss to lagger beer, divided the moon, which is why we see the moon half sometimes in the sky, that was muhammeds doing, and the other half as a symbol of Islam.

The Sultan claims to love Jesus but kills Christians. That is some love.

Miracles are different from magic

mustymatic:
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Jesus rebuts the false charge of his enemies that he was ambiguous in his claims to being the Messiah that they were waiting for. He says that he did tell them clearly enough, yet they would not listen to him,

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and you believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND.
29 My Father which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY FATHER'S HAND.

How can anyone be so blind as not to see the exactness of the ending of the last two verses. But spiritual blinkers are more impervious than physical
defects. He is telling the Jews and recording for posterity, the real unity or relationship between the Father and the son.
The most crucial verse -
30 I and my Father are one.

One in what? In their Omniscience? In their Nature? In their Omnipotence? No! One in purpose! That once a believer has accepted faith, the Messenger sees to it that he remains in faith, and God Almighty also sees to it that he remains in faith. This is the purpose of the "Father" AND the "son" AND the "Holy Ghost" AND of every man AND every woman of faith.

John explain his Gnostic mystic words:

That they all may be ONE; as thou. Father, art in
me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE in us...
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made
perfect in ONE . . .
John 17:20-22 [/b]
And according to your own bible God has sons
by the tons, can they all be gods?
Can't you see that in the language of the Jew, every righteous person, every Tom, Dick and Harry who followed the Will and Plan of God, was a SON OF
GOD. It was a metaphorical descriptive term, commonly used among the Jews.

"...Adam, which was the SON OF GOD."
Luke 3:38
"That the SONS OF GOD saw the daughters of men that they were fair...
"And when the SONS OF GOD came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..."
Genesis 6:2&4
"...Israel is MY SON, even my firstborn:"
Exodus 4:22
"...for I (God) am a FATHER to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn."
Jeremiah 31:9
"...the Lord hath said unto me, (David) Thou art MY SON: this day have I BEGOTTEN thee."
Psalms 2:7
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the
SONS OF GOD."
Romans1 8

And lastly for Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed: "Assuredly God will defend those who believe";. He confounds the plots of the enemies of Isah (Jesus)... merciful God.
And yes I'll stick to Islam... Christianity is too hard twisted for every sane person

So why did the Romans that crucify Jesus claimed that He was crucified? The Romans were not Christians or Jews, on what basis would they lie. Also, you believe the Koran's account that Jesus wasn't crucified - let's say I am not a muslim and I am not a Christian and you wanted to convince me that Jesus wasn't crucified, how will you do that outside of the Bible and the Koran?

Anas09:
HahahahahahahahahHHHHhA, yesssss. I see Jesus speaking on his cradle on the day he was born. Kwakwakwakwakwakwakwa. My beleoooo.

Wait, wait, wait. Is it that wen u become a muslim, ur brain dies or what?
U truelly believe Jesus spoke on the day he was born?

There's another wonderful, oh powerful thing i saw there.
Mary the mother of Jesus Christ, was the same person as Mirriam the Sister of Aaron. Hahahahahahahahahaha
Lwkmdoooooo

Muhammed was a stupid daft and those who patronised him were too afraid to correct his stupidity.

And you, you bounced out here without shame to post this trash?
Do u even realize what this makes you look like? Worst than stupid muhammed. At least he was an illiterate, so can excuse his blind plagiarism, but you? In the 21st Century? Am ashamed of you.

Do you know the generations that spans between Mirriam and Mary mother of Jesus?

Everything the stupid koran says you just believe without even considering the absurdity.
Gerarahia.

That is what happens when you become a muslim. You are forced to perform intellectual and historical dishonesty. Islam claims Jesus not only spoke he also formed birds from clay.

Assuming that is true - shouldn't that be a reason to believe His deity. Muhammed for everything we know about him couldn't create life or performed one miracle but Muhammed is on the same level with Allah.

ayobase:
For all my muslim friends on here, please bear with me as I unleash some Biblical proofs over some issues:

At least you accept the fact that Jesus Christ came into this world via a virgin Mary which makes a unique being among Prophets.

Can I say He was conceived without sin.

Sonship.

There in the Bible;

Matthew 3:17 says "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Mark: 1:11 says "And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Mark: 9:7 says "And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him."

Luke: 3:22. says "And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."


Those are 3 of the 12 disciples of Jesus Christ giving accounts of what seen and heard while with Jesus Christ - more like news casting.



Tell me you don't believe in those.

Now the Jesus you believe in said this, coupled with written occurences by observers;

John: 10. 30. I and my Father are one.

John: 14. 20. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Matthew: 7. 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew: 10. 33. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew: 24. 36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

John: 5. 43. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

And many many more verses to establish fathership and sonship.

My question - why do you find it difficult to accept God calling Jesus Christ His son?

I learnt Mohammed was the Holy Spirit (Comforter) Jesus Christ said He will srnd while ascending into heaven.

John: 14. 26. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

With sound mind and logical reasoning, how can Muhammad of all Prophets with many scandals be the comforter!

Muhammed did not get an inch close to Jesus Christ to being a Comforter, let alone of being one himself.

Muhammed is con artist, he had ideas of the Bible which he was able to pick and manipulate verses to suit himself. We now have the Sunnis and Shites a result of his unresurrecting death.

Jesus Christ performed miracles while on earth coupled with His merciful disposition.

Muhammed is not close to being Comforter - that hooligan is far away from it.



Until you tell me the Bible has been compromised long before now, then those quoted verses remain valid.

It's called circular reasoning. Muslims will only quote verses of the Bible to prove their point but they will later turn around and claim that the Bible is corrupt.

Auki:
The Jesus (peace be on him), I know, whom I love as a Muslim, came to confirm a simple message-No brain gymnastic.

1.There is only ONE God, whom all depend. He begets not, nor is He begotten; And none is like Him.

2.He Jesus (peace be on him), like all messengers, was a prophet send only to convey the message of glad tiding to believers and warning of dire punishment to unbelievers. He never ascribe any divinity to himself, as either GOD, Son or operating partnership with God( trinity).

Later scribe exaggerated and invented Jesus divinity. Do your research it is actually worth doing.

Peace be on you(the reader)[b][/b]

It's a flawed logic to use the Koran to explain the Bible. The Bible especially the New Testament is 600 years older than Islam. To prove Jesus, let us go outside of the Koran and the Bible - let us use history.

You will find that history confirms Jesus existed, was born and most importantly, was CRUCIFIED. If you deny that fact - then there is no need to continue this conversation with you

mustymatic:
Can you please quote where he said he is God?
Then we know you follow him

I believe you are a Muslim and you follow the tenants of Islam. I can answer your question. However, I want to pass the same logic over to you. You pray 5 times a day as a Muslim (perform Salat). Can you quote where Allah or Mohammed said muslims should pray 5 times a day in the Quran.

Once you answer that, I will answer your above question.

Seun:
Muslims believe that Jesus didn't die on the cross because someone else took his place. They love him as a prophet of Islam. They believe that his message was Islamic but it has been corrupted by Christians. On this basis, a Muslim can claim to love Jesus.

So Islam goes against history to claim that Jesus was never crucified. Even if one doesn't believe in the Bible, it's impossible to deny history. Romans that crucified Jesus have it in their historical records that Jesus was crucified yet a "holy" Book that is supposedly perfect and came directly from "God" can't get basic history correct. This is one of the reasons, I left Islam.

minifuworld:
that is to tell you that jesus christ did not come with new commandments but he came to testify to those commandment that has been given to those prophets before him. Matthew 5 v 17. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. And this is the believe of we muslims that all the prophets of God are one because they came for thesame purpose and they are all way to the kingdom of God

Since you are quoting the Bible, I will assume that you believe in what you are quoting, that is you believe in the Bible, is that correct?

mustymatic:
Yes you are right, but let's view the commandments, muslims still follow them more often than christians

What commandments?

minifuworld:
we accept jesus christ and we follow his teachings but we did not accept him as God or son of God or lord and personal savior because he never teaches that

How will you believe that when you claim the Bible is corrupt. Christianity existed 600 years before Islam, before Muhammed or Allah came on the scene. The deity of Jesus was never questioned.

Muhammed came 600 years later and said "Angel Gabriel" told only him when he was in a cave that Jesus is not what Christians believe He is. That Christians got it all wrong over all those years and only Muhammed got it right. That is where the problem lies

minifuworld:
Every muslims accept jesus christ as messager and prophet of God just as will accept every other prophets including prophet muhammed. So we dont have problem with that. May peace be unto them all!

If every Christian believe that, then there will be no Christianity. Islam has relegated Jesus to be "only a prophet" going against history. I really don't care what muslims believe but it's not objective to claim that Jesus in the Koran and the Bible is the same.

iLiquidator:
A rule of thumb in Islam is that a Muslim must believe in Jesus. Any Muslim that reject Jesus is not a Muslim. Our difference is that we Muslims believe him to be a prophet born by virgin Mary. He isn't a God.

The "Jesus" described in the Koran is not the Jesus described in the Bible. The Jesus in the Koran was never crucified, the Jesus in the Bible was. Not only that, historical Roman records prove Jesus was crucified. So, you can believe in the Quranic Jesus, and believe everything the Koran tells you but never get it twisted that the Jesus in the Koran and the Bible are not the same.

FriendChoice:
For all Christians and Southerners who are in support of their activities, I urge you to provide land in the East or West for them to build their shrine. So that they will be able to perform their religious activities without fear of being attacked as Nigeria guarantees freedom of worship nation wide. They will also have freedom to protest and block roads.

Southerners and Christian are very pisful. Oya Shiites you hearam carry your black cloth go Enugu or Ekiti.

The same clueless reasoning is the cause of the Palestine crisis today.

babs01:
All of u guys spewing trash, Muslim this muslim that. The best thing to have happened to anyone is being a muslim only if u can understand. The pastor and the Alfa are fighting for their pockets nd nt for God.

Tell that to the numerous who can't drive in Saudi Arabia. Tell that to the countless women you are murdered in the muslim world because of honor. Nobody cares what you believe in, you can believe in a stone for all I care; just don't throw it at others

tellwisdom:
U.S don destroy the world. Imagine 300k Liberian currency to 35$??...Ahh

The incident happened in Guinea. Liberians currency is the Liberian dollar and it is at a rate of $1 USD to 90 Liberian dollars. I hope that helps you read the entire post before posting ignorantly

mikolo80:
o no
Of course I knew there will be other pacs and groups
Just that the nra is the most visible

You stated earlier:

who else lobbies. Educate me or you're just making stuff up

The NRA is the most visible because it has alot of money and influence and that is because it has been around for quite sometime. However, there are other groups that oppose the NRA but fight for guns right and they are gaining alot of traction.

mikolo80:
but I think the nra is number one by dollar amount

No doubt about that. The NRA is the 10,000 pound Gorilla when it comes to gun rights and lobbying in the US.

mikolo80:
ok you win

It's not about winning. Good thing that you are aware now.

mikolo80:
who else lobbies. Educate me or you're just making stuff up

Education time

1. http://gunowners.org/ = Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a non-profit lobbying organization formed in 1975 to preserve and defend the Second Amendment rights of gun owners. GOA sees firearms ownership as a freedom issue.
2. https://www.saf.org/ = The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is dedicated to promoting a better understanding about our Constitutional heritage to privately own and possess firearms. To that end, we carry on many educational and legal action programs designed to better inform the public about the gun control debate.
3. http://www.grnc.org/ = http://www.grnc.org/home/about-grnc'
4. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/

There are many private and state gun organizations that support the bill of rights and the 2nd amendment. I hope that helps

mikolo80:
I never did
effective range simply means that that is as far as the human eye can see a target unaided
most assault rifles can still kill at 6 to 800 yards/metrs with a scope
maximum range of the ak is actually over 4km altho by then the bullet cant do much damage if any
and I did not learn that online BTW
Trained by the army's best

Since you didn't, then I assumed wrongly

mikolo80:
the law was made for man
not man for the law
all laws can change
unless the few decide to put their money where their mouth is to change or defend said law
without the NRA uncle sam would've almost disarmed you guys

What does it mean the law was made for man and not man for the law as related to this discussion? Laws can't change what is stated in the constitution. Congress can't make laws that go against the right of the press or the right to bare arms. It can happen in Nigeria but not here. I have tried to tell you that several times.

If you think the NRA is the only group that lobbies for the right to bare arms then it's apparent you need more education when it comes guns ownership

Origin:
Some people will just talk anyhow. Label Nigeria all kind of bad name, not knowing they are also bearing the name.

One of the city with the highest rate of murder cases is in the US. Yet America will blacklist Nigeria and say the whole of Nigeria is a hot zone. We all know that's not true. The foreigners that come here all refuse to go.

Google is your friend. But when you lose so many opportunities because you are willing to be called a bad name through generalisation then blame only yourself.

High murder rate doesn't determine if a place is safe or not. The rule and implementation of laws and justice does. America has one of the highest homicide rate in the developed world. It is about 15,000 murders for each year for the last 6 years give or take. What you are not told is that 50% to 65% of that number is suicide. Suicide is considered murder in the US. You and I consider murder as the deliberate and intentional taking of another person's life, suicide doesn't fall into that category. As a result, the murder statistics are mis-represented and everyone has a skewed understanding of the details.

Removing suicide, the annual murder rate in the US is around 6,000 out of 300 million people where most of the population have the right to bear arms. I consider that figure pretty good. Unfortunately, we don't have statistics in Nigeria to determine the same but I am pretty confident that the murder rate in Nigeria is much higher than 6000 per year. That excludes how many people Boko Haram has killed which is over 15,000 currently. Also factor in ritual killings, cult killings, religious killings, robbers and assassination. In America, 200 girls can't be kidnapped and for over 2 years there are no answers.

When you are comparing these things - please get some facts before you play the relative moral scene; it's elementary.

mikolo80:
how is effective range 2 things

What did you explain effective range as in relation to the AK 47?

mikolo80:
without the nra the 2nd amendment would be history by now but yes thank goodness for the founding fathers wisdom

The constitution was written in 1778, the NRA was formed in 1871. Laws can't change what are stipulated in the constitution especially amendments. For example, the right of abortion wasn't in the constitution, it was a case law determined by the supreme court and as a result, women in the US can have abortion. Even on a higher level, the right to bear arms and the right of the press and right to practice your religion can't be compared to that of abortion which means they exist similarly like the right to life as stated in the constitution. The constitution protects the right to bear arms, the NRA lobbies for that right.

mikolo80:
google what effective range means

I assume you know little about guns because you are referring to one thing and explaining another.

mikolo80:
thank goodness for the nra

Thank goodness for the 2nd amendment and the fore-bares and founders on the United States

italianjob:
omg,u are very wrong.according to 2015 survey,blacks are more victim of police abuse.every 1 in 4 blacks are victims of police attacks

Can you give us the official stats please. The survey in question, can you tell us what percentage where blacks and whites? When you are done, I will give you the official government stats so we can compare

efelusi:
show me or tell me which country in the world that does not experience these security concerns as Nigeria. The US have serial murderers taking place, police killings, natural disasters etc... the UK, knife deaths, road accident, France terrorists attacks... Its every where.

Yes we may have challenges dealing with these crimes, but Nigeria is reasonably safe.

I don't think natural disasters count as insecurity. I can make the same argument for Nigeria; it has serial murders and cannibals. It has police killings, the only difference is that it is not documented; in America, we document and follow the rule of law. There are road accidents everywhere as well as far as their are people driving cars. The point is simple - does an individual feel safe in Nigeria. To answer that question, there are several variables to consider:

1. Is there rule of law: Are you confident that the laws in Nigeria or America guarantees your life, property, safety and happiness. I contend that it is far better in America than Nigeria
2. Access to education: Every single child in America has access to education up to high school free. I can't say the same for Nigeria
3. Access to jobs: As an individual without disability; you can get a job in America as compared to Nigeria. Even if it is minimum wage.
4. Freedom: Any American can live anywhere in America without fear of persecution, religion or ideas. Try that in Nigeria
5. Welfare: The US has a system where the disadvantaged, poor and unfortunate can live even if they don't have the means. I can't say the same for Nigeria
6. Healthcare: I wouldn't even go there
7. Wealth Creation: America is the pioneer

There are so many reasons to consider why living in America is better and SAFER than Nigeria. A simple fact would be to compare which of these two countries then to migrate to the other.

italianjob:
to me its safer Dan America,cos I ain't walking on d street and being shot down by cops cos am black

More white people are shot by cops than black in America. There goes your theory!

papaejima1:
Take one orijin bros. You keep impressing me with every post

I know a few things about guns here and there

Jakumo:
You have brought up a very relevant point, Alexis, and it is good to hear from a fellow hunter. I happen to own a 12-gauge Winchester Model 1200 shotgun that I retrofitted for use firing slugs, which for those unfamiliar with the term, are SINGLE lumps of lead, as opposed to the numerous pellets that comprise the payload of a standard shotgun cartridge. I bought that rifled barrel to properly equip myself for buffalo and wild pig hunts, since those species need to be killed on the first shot, lest the hunter becomes the hunted.


The conversion of shotgun to slug gun could be likened to the conversion of a scatter-gun to a rifle. The after-market slug barrel I purchased contains internal grooves, or rifling, that imparts a stabilizing spin to the single projectile, so that it flies straight and true for far greater distances than standard shotgun pellets, before impacting the target and deforming into a very wide mushroom shape that creates gigantic wound channels capable of dropping a buffalo or an elephant in its tracks, if that impact occurs within say 150 yards, before the energy of the round tapers off to non-lethal levels.

While some slug guns have smooth barrels similar to a regular shotgun, the greatest level of accuracy is best obtained by going with a rifled barrel, as I did with my Winchester that I also fitted with a scope, to better serve its role as a tool of negotiation with BIG and MEAN critters. Interestingly, the slug barrel I purchased turned out to be noticeably shorter in length than the stock smooth-bore barrel that came with the gun when new, in contrast with the slug barrel that you mentioned having used.

Aloha

You buffalo hunt? You must be rich man .

In between, I think slugs are great. Like I said, I almost got the ksg. Each barrel carries 7 rounds. One of my buddies had one where he put load a slug and then 2/3 buck-shots and another slug. The idea is what the slug always bunch a whole in the wall, and the buck-shot does the damage

Jakumo:
You have brought up a very relevant point, Alexis, and it is good to hear from a fellow hunter. I happen to own a 12-gauge Winchester Model 1200 shotgun that I retrofitted for use firing slugs, which for those unfamiliar with the term, are SINGLE lumps of lead, as opposed to the numerous pellets that comprise the payload of a standard shotgun cartridge. I bought that rifled barrel to properly equip myself for buffalo and wild pig hunts, since those species need to be killed on the first shot, lest the hunter becomes the hunted.


The conversion of shotgun to slug gun could be likened to the conversion of a scatter-gun to a rifle. The after-market slug barrel I purchased contains internal grooves, or rifling, that imparts a stabilizing spin to the single projectile, so that it flies straight for far greater distances than standard shotgun pellets, before impacting the target and deforming into a very wide mushroom shape that creates gigantic would channels capable of dropping a buffalo or an elephant in its tracks, if that impact occurs within say 150 yards, before the energy of the round tapers off to non-lethal levels.

While some slug guns have smooth barrels similar to a regular shotgun, the greatest level of accuracy is best obtained by going with a rifled barrel, as I did with my Winchester that I also fitted with a scope, to better serve its role as a tool of negotiation with BIG and MEAN critters. Interestingly, the slug barrel I purchased turned out to be noticeably shorter in length than the stock smooth-bore barrel that came with the gun when new, in contrast with the slug barrel that you mentioned having used.

Aloha

I am not a shotgun fan, truth be told, I almost bought the keltec shotgun:

http://2koxr21v8cz72s8ohk24upp8.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2015/04/ksg1.jpg

I can't really say much about shotguns apart from what I know and what I have used. I use my remington 700 VTR in .308 calibre for hunting. I have hit a dow at 547 yards with a clean shot from the driver window of a pickup. I target practice regularly at 600 yards.

I boar hunt with my AR 15 which works like a charm