₦airaland Forum

Lagusta: Badagry dudes are not yoruba... They have a different language entirely called "egun" or "ogun" and it is similar to "fon" in benin republic...

I am yoruba and I don't have a tribal mark...

I am yoruba from Badagry Awori/Ogu

Note it is not Egun or Ogun but Ogu

reason why Ignorant people like you call it Egun is surprising. Ahu that is Egun for you

seunfly: Although i don't support discrimination in anyform but it seems Op here his just liying also it is a private company why can't op go to alaba and ask all ibo traders there to employ non-ibo, why can't he ask the reason why ekeledilichukwu never have non-ibo drivers, why is it that orange drugs has more of anambra in the company, why Bua company has more hausa at top level, why Dantata has more hausas at management level, why all ibo boyz always go to thier village to take assistant instead of taking from the town and city whare thier shops is located. In bussines the decision is yours but many nairaland ibo peaple just like to preach hatred against yoruba without knowing that every things they say ibos are more guilty than anybody. Example thier is not state in the west that you will not see ibo in civil service but it was Abia that first sack non-indigens, to if any state try that ibo peaple will be crying foul.

+ 1000000

stillwater: Before I go further, let's make one thing clear, don't put me in the ilk of my tribe is better than yours, and address me as me and retract the statement of 'blaming others', otherwise post a comment where I'm blaming you for my woes that is if I have any. Thank you.

People who have read the book concludes it is a warning on another Biafra happening again in Nigeria, not Yoruba people are 'bad' people as illiterates are apparently propagating. Every literature student knows to read a book in its entirety before making over the top statements and crying all over the net.

Ok, Igbos started it, I agree, will you also all agree that present day Nigeria it is your people and the Northerners that have reduced Nigeria to sh.it it is today?

SMH do you mean their were not Igbos in our government from post civil war till now ?

T9ksy: And what exactly was Awo suppossed to have apologised to the ibos for?

Just apologise for the sake of the died ones. Awolowo has already done that and that is the responsible thing to do. He can't just turn a blind eye to it even if it was not his fault.

Crayola1: Who knows if he did? Its hard to tell when you don't have a copy of the book.

And Awo was only pro-Yoruba, the rest could sink for all he cared if we are being honest here.

Because if he did, others would speak out just as the yorubas are doing. If a man writes on how bad Ojukwu was because of his Igbo people, would Ohaneze not try to defend him ?

Crayola1: Once again a comment on Awolowo and not Yoruba people. Find me something that shows Achebe saying that Yoruba people agreed or Awo was doing the bidding of his people you might have a point.

You are quoting a comment from a book which has to be read in the context it was written to understand the reason behind it and I'm the one quoting out of context

We are now crossing into that ironic territory where the same folk in here that are having a fit over Achebe would not miss a beat claiming that all Northerners are a member of Boko Haram, because obviously they speak for all Northerners and since they are pro-Muslim (which a mjority of the North is) Northerner clearly support their actions.

Its come full circle

What ! A world recognised author writes a book that A man (Yorubas hero) was driven by an overriding ambition for his yoruba people therefore leading to the death of biafrans and you are telling me he did not involve Yorubas but just AWOLOWO ?

stillwater: An excerpt from a book means Yoruba people were secluded?

Yes he secluded the yorubas as if they were part of the main actors in the Biafran war. He should also have put emphases on groups like Ijaw, Edo etc in such a way that it would generate controversies.

aryzgreat: so wots d fuss about awolowo if he balanced his book with ojukwu and zik's story also? You yorobbers think u can keep throwing lies up as truth because u control d media? Dats a futile dream. The truth must be made known weda awolo-devil is affected or not, d only thing u can do is rant and that shows u guys have some skeleton to hide thats why this exposure is hitting ur nerves like bad, if not tell me why u guys are doing everything to cover up awolowo's crime against humanity? Awolowo is more deadly than osama bin laden and ALUU community!

First of all, I would correct your accession. The so called media is not controlled by yorubas, that is all you Igbos delusion. Out of 11 media houses, about 6 is controlled by the SS, 3 by Igbos, 2 by yorubas and 1 by the north.

You see yorubas are not being clandestine here, if Awolowo did any wrong people would say it, it is a just a shame that you fail to realise the fault of your so called leaders and move on.

Crayola1: Then you should stop by a school once in a while because at the rate you are going a serious F is in your future

From the quote I would say he wanted power for himself and his people. That's all you can infer, you cannot say that Yoruba people were in agreement or it was through Awo Yoruba people plotted to get power, because none of that is there in the quote. The critique in the quote was on one person, Awo, and that is it.

How are Yoruba people implicitly involved? Unless there was a Yoruba committee set up and Awo was to follow some plan created through consensus by all Yoruba people. If Obama bombs Nigeria tomorrow for the benefit of free oil, does that mean that because I am American and I benefit from free oil that I am complicit in the bombing? Or that I agree with the action? Obama did it for the political goodwill he would get and for the benefit of Americans, whether Americans appreciate the efforts is a different thing all together.

My brother you are just quoting things out of context here. Achebe implying that he wanted power for his people suggested that not only Awolowo was involved but HIS PEOPLE SUPPORTED HIM in this so called evil you all claim he did.

for more here is Achebe's quote

"However, Awolowo saw the dominant Igbos at the time as the obstacles to that goal, and when the opportunity arose–the Nigeria-Biafra war–his ambition drove him into a frenzy to go to every length to achieve his dreams. In the Biafran case it meant hatching up a diabolical policy to reduce the numbers of his enemies significantly through starvation — eliminating over two million people, mainly members of future generations.”

so as to help his yoruba people ? How does that sound to you ?

If you are a naive kid and you are asked to read this what would you think of Yorubas ?

What Achebe did was not only wrong but has really drawn a dividing line to the East West politics incase you do not realise. He has not only painted an bad picture of Awolowo and his Yoruba people but also showed the world everything wrong with Nigeria.

Tribalism has no place in the world incase Achebe does not know, I hope you tell him.

chosen04: Stop living in denial. Bigotry (no offence intended) was rooted in your spirit.

Oh well, this whole awo this, yoruba that started with the formation of Nigeria which was Nnamdi's fault

Do you agree ?

aryzgreat: Just like GEJ won didn't make him the best presidential material, Pat utomi didn't win election, does dat mean Pat is incompetent? Yorrobber rascals, amala ati ewedu is not good for una head!

+ gbegiri oh lala

the issue is clear, his novel was full of lies which is meant to generate worldwide attention but did not get the attention.

Imagine is likes of Soyinka wakes up one morning and writes crap about nnamdi/ojukwu and their Igbo people, would you not lose all respect for him ?

chosen04: If your forefather is the likes of the RAT POISON LOVER . . . .Then I can now undrestand his mindset when he ranted:-

"If the Eastern Region is allowed by acts of omission or commission to secede or opt out of the cursed entity (nIGERia), then the Western Region and Lagos must also stay out of the federation"

And did the eastern region secede ?

gerald28: @ Alj Hareem, I am beginning to like you, for some time now, you have shown yourself to be a very mature,detrabalized and decent man, I am really impressed, please keep it up.

Thanks bro, it's nairaland that made me tribalitic at the first place.

aryzgreat: Ewure! please go and read the book b4 exposing ur tribalistic yorr0bber gene here. The book was wholistic in nature, Achebe wrote about ojukwu's stubborn trait too but u yorrobber animals have gone haywire bc ur mini-god was discussed. Yes Awoloawo was desperate for power, he is a muderer! hang urself or write ur own version.

write my own version do you think am a writer ?

I could careless what he wrote on Ojukwu, what I care about is what he wrote on a man and "his" people that were neutrals.

If you did not see that about Ojukwu already, then too bad

Crayola1: Because it emphasizes what we already know, Awo was Pro-Yoruba, which means damn near everything he does will be to the benefit of "his people", depending on the context, it might have been the first time he signified Awo's ethnicity and he thought it was best to kill two birds with one stone.

Its hard to judge when you don't have a copy of the book in hand...well for normal rational people at least

I don't need to have a copy before I can decipher a quote which clearly indicated that he is being bitter about the whole issue not only on awo but on "his" yoruba people

Crayola1: Yes Awolowo is the subject, please point to me where its says Yoruba people were driven by an overriding ambition etc etc...?

I will wait. Or any place that he says Yoruba people are "x", unless the actions of one man speak for millions of people?

No wonder Nigeria is being outpaced by places like Gabon, simple reading is a damn challenge.

I have no opinion on whether Awolowo was obsessed with power, but are really arguing on the fact that Awo was Pro-Yoruba? This is pretty much accepted by all sides that he was Yoruba first and the rest last, which is what the later part of the quote refers too.

I know, I know, I no go school but the little I know is what I am telling you. His overridding ambition for himself or for yorubas ? In which context did Achebe put it ? Of course for Yorubas thus the benefitary of the so call evil you people claim awolowo committed was to benefit yorubas right therefore directly or indirectly "his" yoruba people are involved

chosen04: . . . .And what has been the result since your fore father started trying to make the cursed entity work?

Who's forefather ? My forefather is not Nnamdi but likes of Awolowo who did not want this entity. So in reality the creation of this entity is not my "forefather's " fault but yours, am just trying to live and work around it so as to get the best from the situation.

Crayola1: I personally do not see anything tribalistic in that excerpt, unless saying that Awolowo was Pro-Yoruba, which is a fact, is tribalistic.Sarduna and the rest were pro North, am I tribalistic for saying that? He didn't say that anything Awo did was a trait of Yoruba people or that all Yoruba people agreed with what Awo did or anything else here. Unless you guys have a different version of that quote.

The point is why did he seclude Awolowo and "his" yoruba people. Did he not write Ojuwku/nnamdi were driven by the over riding desire to over rule Nigeria ? Common, you are just being bias here

Crayola1: And so what? Even if he never wins the prize only the most tribalistics idiots would not admit that he is considered one of the greatest novelist of all time.

And he said nothing about Yoruba people just Awolowo, unless Awolowo had the ability to reproduce asexually and now represents all 20 million plus Yoruba people

no kill pesin

here is the quote

Achebe wrote, ”It is my impression that Awolowo was driven by an overriding ambition for power, for himself and for his Yoruba people."

In reality I was never tribalistic when it comes to people like Achebe but I guess if an old icon like him could go that low then he does not deserve the respect he was going

Crayola1: Here's what a Kenyan has to say:

Kenya: Chinua Achebe - the Laureate-in-Waiting
Tagged: Entertainment, East Africa, Kenya
By Kamau Mutunga, 20 October 2011

but he didn't win. As a Nigerian I am meant to support him but with the low mental tribalistic crap by talking about awolowo and "his" yoruba people, he has cut his merits with a sharp knife

[quote author=Mr. Globe]taaa gbafuo there ahj with your cunning self [/quote] cunning ke, But in reality, ndi yoruba o yoro ngbaghara.

That is strong Igbo for you lets stop this biafra awo crap and focus on the current issues even if we do not agree at least it is more productive than 1960 issues

jidestar: Mimiko is in a tight corner. ACN is serious about taking Ondo.

But would lose

ACN has no real plan for Ondo, they are just beating around the bush.

Oke is the best candidate for Ondo

Mimiko is a waste of time cause I went to ondo last week and apart from the round about in akure, the place was eye soring. From Ikale , owo etc

[quote author=Mr. Globe]which your stoopid first republic? is it by force to stay together!! I thought you love your fellow Yoruba people why not go and form your own oduduwa repulblic. We have nothing in common with amala nurtw rascals and boko haram people, thats why we want out. chikena. if you want any apology, you can join your mentor with the latest rat poison.[/quote] dere ndo nwannem

chosen04: Who did they sympathize for? I guess for the cursed entity called niGERia?

whether cursed or not, we are in the entity so better you start working around it. So ndi Nigeria gu ko ngozi gi

gerald28: @ Alj hareem, Do you think it is easy to forgive Evil act of such magnitude do you know that there is no family in the whole igbo land that did not lose their loved ones in that war.

Yes I understand yes it is difficult but let me use you here if you don't mind.

You were not born during the war, neither did you see the your loved one die as a result of the war so why are you inparticular angry ? Yes the only reason you are angry is because of the stories you read and told by your elders. They told you Awolowo and Gowon are evil people etc but have you search deep to find the situation they were in and how YOUR own leaders could have helped you ?

gerald28: @ but putting things in place to make sure igbos are fully incooperated into the society. The federal government has to start fixing the federal roads in all South eastern states and make sure there is Federal presence in all the region, they should map out like say 20 billion naira for total construction of the whole south-east, that is how it is done in a sane country.

What makes you think Igbos are not incooperated into the society ? It is a common Nigerian saying that if you go to a place and don't find an Igbo man then it is unsafe for people to live in their. From this saying couple with other multinational, governmental and private organisations having Igbos in large numbers in them, I guess it is safe to say they igbos are adequately represented in all spheres of the society unless of course greed wants to set in. But compare to the Yorubas, Hausas and Fulanis, Igbos are more represented.

20 billion !!!! The amount spent on the SEern region alone in a year is more than that so in fact 20 billion is too small. The problem lies with the government officals also from the SE IN THE SE. There is not much the FG can do.

The only issue remaining is probably SE wants the capital to be based in their region. Yes I think some years down the line that would be done.

gerald28: @ That igbos statered to have some sense of belonging in this hell hole called Nigeria is because Jonathan is in charge.... had it been a Yoruba man or Hausa man, things will still be the same as it used to be, what did Obasanjo the evil man did for the igbos, what did Yarua Dua did, though he was a nice person, but his kins men wouldn't let him be. igbos needs to be rehabilitation, that is the only way Ndigbo will forget all that happened, they shouldn't be sidelined in the scheme of things, else peace,harmony, progress,love,unity will continue to elude Nigeria. Thank you my brother.

I think compare to all the past government, OBJ and Yaradua did well for the Igbos. If you disagree, then I would bring out facts to show you that the north is also being abandoned by GEJ in this admin and Yaradua abandoned the SW.

We are all humans, we can't be perfect but only try to be. If you are the president today which I hope to see, you would focus on the SE more than other regions from the way you are talking. That is not how to run a country like Nigeria, you just have to try your best and pray that God helps you out.

Yes some things need to change but it is a gradual process. The process would be fast if we focus on the issues affecting this nation like you pointed out not what a yoruba man or hausa or igbo man did. Achebe the man I once respected was wrong by doing the opposite.

if ACN loses Ondo, then next election they would lose other states.

Oke is not bad

chosen04: ^^^^^^^^

You mean signs of regret for the evil done by those men is now an apology?

Not a sign of regret but a sign of sympathy. You can call them all you like but at least they have done the honourable thing, not cuz of biafra but cuz of the civilian causalities.

so now that the did is done, would Igbos move on or would they continue witchhurting people doing their civil duties.

yarodin: LOL, chei Yoruba manu are still rioting on NR? Please don't lynch me oooooooooooooooh because I will be buying the book. On a serious note I believe the great one's new book should be made mandatory to be read at all institutions of learning. So Yoruba manu, shove your hate where the sun does not shine and go buy the book.

trust me you dont want that ! It would only generate hate and mistrust for Igbos

Imagine a class in Lagos and students mixed ethnicity reading the tribal rant ? You guess is as good as mine

One idiot would make fun of the other etc the rest is history. Not really a bright idea from Biafrans

T9ksy: And who has been apologising to biafrans and for what reason?

Apologise ko, Depologise ni!!!

;Dbros people have been apologising. It might not be directly but surly they have been ever since after the war.

From Gowon to Awolowo etc.

But how many times do people apologise to Igbos/Biafrans

Frankly Yorubas and other Nigerians are tired of apologising and have decided to move on

I guess you all including the man I once respected Achebe do the same.

Forget Nairaland, even though Igbos are at fault or not, Yorubas have given including Awolowo unreserved apology for something they did not do cuz of the bond and love. It is time for Igbos to soften their stony heart and accept our apology as brothers would do.

[quote author=Chyz*]The book comes out today. I've pre-ordered it. Can't wait [/quote]Why brother

Do you support tribalism ?

na wa oh. So upon all the hate and controversy, e still no win am.