₦airaland Forum

bashr8: yorubas have been claiming to be the most sophiscated or whatever do you see igbos crying about it? he compared igbos and yorubas in terms of education and commerce , what is wrong with that . we do the same thing almost everyday in nairaland . every ethnic. so if fulanis come out today to claim they know the koran more than anyother group or they control the cattle market will you come out to fight them for saying such. it can call for a debate or argument but not tribal war.

NO YORUBA MAN HAS CALLED HIMSELF "THE MOST SOPHISTICATED". They use "sophisticated politics" that SIR is a political statement not an inciting statement. How does sophisticated politics relates to superiority complex ?

No sir he did not, you cannot say one was better than the other and later say the other surpassed him. Not in this stage of our nation. That is very tribalistic on his own part.

If Fulanis talk about knowing the Quran more than other groups, They would be challenged.

This is no debate, WE CANNOT BE DEBATING ON HOW YORUBAS ARE BETTER THAN IGBOS OR HOW IGBOS ARE BETTER THAN HAUSA. It seems silly to me and any well thinking person, don't you think ?

bashr8: when you people were writing books claiming 1966 coup was an igbo coup did you see us hyperventilating instead we challenge it with facts , i expect you to do the same. even akintola in that video claimed igbos have taken ver everything, sarduna said the same thing in the youtube interview. what exactly are you mad at?

LOL Oya show me where A YORUBA PROFESSOR wrote that 1966 coup was an Igbo coup.

The reason why Sarduna said what he said was because of the quote by Nnamdi in the 50's

It is on record that a party, later known as Zik’s party, the NCNC, was actually led at inception by a Yoruba man Sir Herbert Macaulay and Dr. Azikiwe served as his secretary. It is on record that many Yoruba people were members and moved out en masse when Zik made an infamous statement to his fellow Ibo Union that God has sent Igbo race to liberate Nigeria and he started using his West African Pilot newspaper to drive the Igbo agenda. It was Zik that turned NCNC from national party to Igbo party. That despite the insultive utterances, the party was still popular in the West until Zik insisted on ruling the Western Region against common sense and Ibadan People’s Party gave their votes to Action Group to form the government. People like Achebe came up with the tribalism theory against Awolowo, and in their selective ignorance, they forgot that Azikiwe went back to the East to drive away Eyo Ita who was the Prime Minister because he was from the minority tribe. But nobody talks about that, so what do they really want from us?

bashr8: so what is wrong about what he said? he is not the first to say that , you can counter his facts with yours rather than turning it into tribal war. i dont see the north fighting tribal war when they are told they are lagging behind today in terms of literacy, wealth etc. counter his facts and stop insulting igbo people.

So you think it is healthy of me to be quoting and talking about how Yorubas are better than Igbos ? I mean how would that add value to the so called "Yoruba" and "Igbo" or even this discussion ?

I never insulted Igbo people but the ones supporting his silly statement.

bashr8: nairaland alone shows that bitterness , at the begining you showed your true colours now your trying to be diplmatic , typical chameleon.

What happens on nairaland stays on nairaland. You cannot be writing books and articules of which ethnic group is this which is that. I don't understand

bashr8: no body used the word better, theres nothing wrong with comparing one region with another, stop this your bitterness and use your brain for once. what exactly are you mad at ? you people are only proving him right .

There is nothing wrong in comparing regions so long as IT IS HEALTHY. Achebe's form of comparison is NOT healthy and is causing discord among brothers and sisters. DON'T YOU SEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can Yorubas and Igbos be fighting at this age of our nation ? DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO YOU !!! Because to me it makes no sense at all. Nwannem take a look at this trash

"He delved into history with his claim, asserting that the Igbo overcame the earlier Yoruba advantage within two decades earlier in the twentieth century.

“Although the Yoruba had a huge historical and geographical head start, the Igbo wiped out their handicap in one fantastic burst of energy in the twenty years between 1930 and 1950.”

He narrated the earlier advantage of Yoruba as contingent on their location on the coastline, but once the missionaries crossed the Niger, the Igbo took advantage of the opportunity and overtook the Yoruba.

‘The increase was so exponential in such a short time that within three short decades the Igbos had closed the gap and quickly moved ahead as the group with the highest literacy rate, the highest standard of living, and the greatest of citizens with postsecondary education in Nigeria,” he contended."

looplat: ijebu-igbo are Igbos too?
dis Igbo girl don smoke igbo walahi.
if ijebus catch Igbos, dem go kill all of una finish for Igbo land.
you no look for weak pipu to claim na ijebu una wan claim join Igbo.
i laugh in ijebu

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what is the truth ? That Yorubas were once better than Igbos ? Or Igbos are now better than Yorubas ?

Where have you seen any Yoruba man make ANY COMPARISON ON HOW HE IS BETTER THAN ANY GROUP ?

Is that your truth ?

Can a man write a similar article about Igbos without even I alj harem not fighting ?

If that is his own reality, then I guess he needs to come back to Nigeria and see the truth

OF WHAT HELP HAS EVEN ACHEBE DONE FOR IGBOS ? I am waiting

This mimifonwon of an iddeiot woud want us to believe Igbos are better than Yorubas. You must have you head in the clouds. I don't support superiority and any attempt to do so would be resisted be rest assured.I don't want to know if you are igbo yoruba or hausa. Ok I how I have made myself clear

This is not tribalism but fighting for equality. If you are not sure, I have fought for Igbos before both on the internet and real life.

looplat: egbon, she claimed egba on one thread
now she's claiming ijebu. oniro jati jati ni omo ishi yen.

LOL the girl don craze finally I remember one of her silly thread claiming Ogu dialect as Egba dialect. You know sometimes when Igbos smoke igbo they tell you how Egbas and Ijebus are Igbos originally.

looplat: Can you stop calling yourself yoruba?
Little girl, you are Igbo?
Just cos a yoruba man strayed his prick inside your Igbo mum
that doesn't make you yoruba.

you're a girl and you took after your mom.
you're Igbo. stop the nonsense!

Ashebe is still being haunted by the spirits of okonkwo,
don't take him seriously.

Thank you o !

mimifonwon: Al i have noticed something about you, you are a green snake, and sadly a tribalist. What achebe writes is true, even other historians have written it, it has nothing to do with tribe. And yes am yoruba by the way. So dont try to come at me with any tribalistic bull sh!t. I dont blame you though, i blame our parents generation that passed down these tribalistic thinking to some of us. I have read accounts from international bodies, even the colonizing body, the british affirms the same conclusion achebe is simply rehashing. The yorubas had the advantage for over 50 years for they were the first people to be colonized and get western education,while eastern nigerians, especially the igbos were the last frontier as they tried to resist everything western until they no longer can. But you have to admit ( that is if you choose to do unbiased research and read other historical accounts) the igbos in a short period of time economically surpassed their northern and southwestern counterparts, and even caught up in education in the whiteman's tongue with the west. So before you start abusing a man and a history you know nothing and looks like you care nothing about, please do your research and try and see if you can find any historical record or written work that is contrary to what achebe writes. And you cannot in honest truth not say that since the civil war that the north and southwestern nigeria have not tried to keep any igbo man from becoming a president or even vice president for the fear that he might create another biafra or even worse keep the resources in eastern nigeria to the east. Please dont come at me with, ummm north has this, southwest has that, the truth is that the bulk of nigeria's wealth has always been in the lands that were curved as biafra. Yes i understand you will point out that igbos are not the only tribe in eastern nigeria, and true, but some of those tribes that trusted in nigeria, had their traditional homeland dashed off to another country, so there are consequences to everything we do in life. My dear brother tell the truth, infact accept the truth, swallow it and shame the devil. You know sometimes good medicine can be extremely bitter, but at the end it helps cure the disease of ignorance and lies we have accepted due to tribalistic sentiments. Btw i will not be responding to any of your rude comments, and yes my mother is igbo and so what. All I have to say to you is read other outside historical accounts before you respond to things written by a credible man, who in his old age would not try to ruin his life works with lies. So please always do you research and dont let your emotions lead you, rather allow unbiased un-tribalistic reasoning to guide you. HAPPY SABBATH EVERYONE!!

Look here, you are not and would never be yoruba. All your lies are for Igbos to eat not me. Your father aint Ijebu that is a fact.

Tell me what part of Ijebu ode your father is from ? Just because you speak yorubas DOES NOT MEAN you are one ok. Yes Achebe is an ideeiot. Yes I am not a tribalist. Do your worse.

okosodo: @lasinoh, you no get sense. Who told tou that the BINIS are being marginalised? We love the quality of people in position now , as far as there delivering, why should we be complaining? Afterall we have the population to put a bini man in every postion

You see thats the problem when you start listening to likes of Achebe.

Noiseless2: Yesterday, you were fulani the other day you were kanuri in borno after being a hausa in plateau and today you are Yoruba lagosian, only you! I will be waiting for you to unleash those fake multiple ethnic nairaland ids to back your lies.

Onye Oshi, I can be anyone if feel I want to be regardless of you or nairaland. Yes even real life I can chose to be Igbo, Hausa, fulani and yoruba all at the same time so long as I look like them and speak their language. I don't care about my ethnicity but since it is a big deal on Nairaland then I chose which ever I feel like. Ok !

okosodo: @ alj harem, you dont need a prophet to tell you that hausa is dominating for example 9 out of 10 directors of nnpc are hausa, 78% of nigerian army are hausa. I have facts , you can also check online

Those are part of government. Lets go to private which is the buck of the country.

Moreover Our first and second head of states were Igbos. Any great country would know that your first leader is always the bench mark for others to work on, why did they tribalise it ?

Why did Nnamdi tribalise the government of Nigeria ? Eh ? These are the question no igbo person and igbo loving person like to answer, later they would say Awolowo cause cross carpeting. If they (igbos) were not tribalistic, what is wrong is Eyo Ita ruling the east while Nnamdi rule Nigeria ? Rather Nnamdi told yorubas and indeed Nigerians that Igbos would liberate them and removed Eyo ita.

Just because hausas and yorubas look as they deceive you people does not mean we do not know the truth.

Already thanks to Nnamdi BRIGHT IDEA OF TRIBALISM, others followed even our current president Jonathan is putting Ijaws everywhere.

okosodo: @ alj harem. Imagine the ibos being a dominating force like the hausa is , nigeria should be contesting with china and the likes, now, do you know that nigerians are not going to see change in the future? Except for hope, every body will die hoping until something is done

Hausas are not the dominating force in Nigeria. This only exist in your minds and it is called inferiority complex. In present day Nigeria I see Ijaws, Yorubas, Igbos and Hausas all in the same corrupt government stealing and looting.

In fact if their is any domination in the marketing/commercial sector it is the Igbos and what have they done with it ? Nothing.

Don't be deceived by semi-illiterate calling themselves professor. It is not compulsory to go to school and claim prof but yet not wise. Wisdom comes from God and not from School. Achebe in recent times have shown he is not an elder in our country.

How can an old man like Achebe be talking of tribes, ethnic groups, how hausas behave, how yorubas were over taken by igbos, how igbos are the best. Does that not sound a bit childish and devilish to you ? A man living in American causing hate in the country he abandoned.

What has Achebe done for Nigerians ? What has Achebe done for Biafrans ? What has he done for Baifran children. Any scholarship ? Free books etc nothing

The man is a waste IMO.

9ja voice: I love the man he spears no one.

He said an unaltered truth about igbo , hausa, yorubas, fulani weakness .

Thanks the great Igbo professor.

Africa Igbos are proud of you

How can achebe be africa greatest professor. You must have you head in the cloud. What has happened to Prof. Mamdani and Prof Wole ?

okosodo: Native americans are not sound technologically, but other tribes that are sound are employed to do it for them with no problem. But in nigeria, if an hausa man is not trouble and they are the daft ones

I guessed you have not met Hausas before. Yes some are bad ( I had a bad experience once) but just like other groups we have good ones and bad ones. In fact the only reason why yorubas and Igbos fight on nairaland is because YORUBAS WOULD NOT QUIET DOWN and let Igbos rubbish other Nigerians especially us Yorubas.

If you would like to be rubbished and treated like second class citizen in your area because of the mouth making lies these so called Igbo intellectuals are feeding you then fine. Good luck but not me and my people.

There is no sphere of life yoruba, hausa and igbo are better than each other. We just allow propaganda to be fed to us

If anyone I mean anyone or group believes he is superior to anyone please by all means you have no business in this country. This is what Awolowo fought for EQUALITY AND NOT MONACHY AND RANKING.

Just cos in the SE the other Igbos have bowed down to Anambra Igbos does not mean, let me re-emphasis that; DOES NOT MEAN others especially the Yorubas would accept such.

If you cannot view others as equals then please go back to whatever village you are from and be the king there. Not in Nigeria as far as Yorubas are in the country. Take that for a fact !!!

okosodo: Wether you like am or not, na true. It can be seen clearly. I am a BINI guy so i am speaking from a point of neutrality. Nigeria is still marginalising ibo till today, and the result is backwardness for every body because the wrong hausa goats will take their position. We are going nowhere in this country

And she is edo as well. I am a lagosian as well thus you can consider me as a neutral if you like. You uncalled hate for the northerners is uncalled for.

Everyone have their short comings and I am not removing even mine but this superiority complex Achebe is displaying here is the dum.best thing a man as Old as him would do. He has no respect from himself and the people writing his article.

Callotti: What an insult!

Wetin man go do but really when you read statement like that and you see Igbos support this lunatic it makes one really dislike Igbos at times

okosodo: . He is not my professor and he can never be mine. We here down south know truth and we know that we are speaking from the neutral point. Awo f**k up big time

[size=18pt]AM A SOUTHERNER AS WELL FROM LAGOS !!!!![/size] Awolowo would/will and forever be the best thing that ever happened to the west including Edo and delta. I don't care about the war since you don't care. You don't care to blame Ojukwu and his likes that caused a war.

Nnamdi accuse Yorubas but forgetting when he said Igbos would colonise Yorubas

Noiseless2: Mr. gworo wan, don't worry with or without ICJ, sooner or latter yourself and associates must get the gaddafi treatment.

LOOL LMAO !!!! IN YOU DREAMS. Nwannem madu na aro nro nura.

duwdu: Woah, this is precisely the sort of thinking that got Hitler and his collaborators to where they led their people and their part of the world: self destruction.

The rest of Professor Achebe's writing, as used in the said article, is essentially of the same mindset - that of the tendency to look down on other people and races, and think you're of a superior race, just like the "superior" Aryan race that Hitler so believed in, that led him to his eventual humiliation and destruction. The prof even thinks the white man is superior to his own race! In that sense, I'm beginning to think that, it's either Prof Achebe is naturally delusional, or bitter out of the war, or he's trying to shape his own legacy among his people.

Whatever, it is just sad that this is the type of thinking that the prof is passing down to his younger listeners and followers. Absolutely sad. One thing the man is further succeeding in doing with this sort of writing, though, is not to necessarily just re-write history, or re-define what truth is, but to further drive a wedge between his people and the other ethnicity or nationalities in Nigeria.

One other possibility came to my mind when I realized that Prof Achebe was in fact a Minister of Communication of Biafra during the civil war: That he is just trying to deflect from himself and the then other leaders of Biafra, criticisms of of the war, as fought by them. Such criticisms include that the leadership of Biafra ought to have been tried for acts of genocide against their own people actually, for one, because they insisted on fighting, and senselessly continued with the war, even after it was clear that that their children - on their land - were starving, while their ill-equipped soldiers were feeding fat.

I honestly don't think Prof Achebe and the rest of the war-time Biafran leadership will ever know peace on account of what they did to their own people, due to their misplaced belief of they being a relatively superior race, or even with their definition of what self-pride was.

In any case, "those that fight and run away, live to fight another day."
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thank you, the dude is an ideeiot and the funny but sad part of it all is that these Igbo people are following him like goats without a mind of their own.

Can a white, hausa, yoruba, chinese etc man say the same thing without being called to order by the UN and "war insightful statement". Thank God Nigerians are just to level headed and mature if not a another civil war would have been burring

Policewoman: Coward. Come out and say it in the open and see if your head will still be on your neck.

Hmmmmmmm I say it all the time in the open, nothing don happen to me o !!

one would agree with me that this man is an IDEEEEIOT. Take it or leave it

I usually don't insult icons but this achebe of a man is a big mumu. Ideeiot

ijaw citizen: MUSIWA, IGNORANT ITSEKIRI MAN!

ON SUNDAY WHEN I GET TO CHURCH OR EGBESU SHRINE AS THE CASE MAY BE, I'M GONNA ASK GOD WHY HE MADE YOU SO DULL AND MYOPIC

ITSEKIRI OWN WARRI INDEED

no actually Itsekiris own warri westwards

Andre Uweh: Alh Uche, don't let Eko ile see this your post lest you not be in trouble.

why ? He knows the reason why I do not like Tinubu. I share his ideas but not the same route

Rossikk: Thanks. I know my facts, and there's nothing more pathetic than those who don't know, and don't want to know. They are like flotsam and jetsam on the sea - visible enough, but worthless to the environment.

very true, kudos bros

lol I told you tinubu was a waste of time

congrats anyway

man I like this rossike. He is so optimistic and knows his facts.