₦airaland Forum

pDude:
When I wrote this at first, many laughed at me. Now who's laughing now?

It is happening already.

we are still watching na

Isoko people protest in warri

[img]http://yomzie.files./2012/01/img-20120111-00338.jpg?w=470&h=352[/img]

Gerrard59:
You mind those yoruba paid ND youths? Yorubas know the amount of tank farms lagos wiil lose,by the time refineries are been built in the ND. Am fully pro-subsidy removal,i cant see why we should be paying subsides on petroluem products[which is consumption rather than production]. GEJ is doing the right thing,if he goes out,the we end the darn nation. When there was subsidy,pms was 70 naira in uyo,65 in ph,is that subsidy?

so these Isoko union people are yoruba or yoruba paid as well ?

You people are far I mean far from reality

[img]http://yomzie.files./2012/01/img-20120111-00338.jpg?w=470&h=352[/img]

more info here

http://dailypost.com.ng/2012/01/11/rumour-has-it-petroleum-marketers-fights-back-exposing-subsidy-deals/

jmaine:
Thank You too oo! Oga Harem  . . .make i go take my stand by glucose . . . Energy don waka finish 

that got me seriously cracking you be old man

na today

20 million or 25 million pounds house in austria by madueke

you think say na moi-moi

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=843992.msg9944488#msg9944488 date=1326309771][/quote]Your anger should be directed at the commissioner of police, FG, SG, soldier etc for letting this to continue without questioning

2mch:
Are you asking Chyz to forgive Beaf who was caught red handed on NL by Chyz, when he was trying to instigate a war between Hausa's and Igbo's? Wow, and they say Yoruba's are betrayers? ROTFLMAO. Only Lies the betrayer of his people.

are you minding him. Chyz is a very clever dude and I no go lie in as much as I which he was hausa/kanuri or yoruba/nupe I admire his brains among must of the igbos on NL.

Why would beaf keep insitgating hausa and igbos to fight and Eze ndigbo NL is allowing it like a cow.

Ojota earlier today

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jason123:
Okay, this is unbecoming.
Its like there is SYSTEMATIC killing of Southerners[b] ESPECIALLY[/b] Igbos. Are we back in 1966??
Why are they targeting Igbos and leaving other southerners out?? Why are they trying to "transfer" the fight to the Igbo? Are they scared of the Niger-delta and Yorubas?

I was of the opinion that Igbos should be quiet as this might be a ploy to destablise the country and use the Igbo's blood to cleanse the land but this is more or less genocide against a people! And for how long can one be quiet? Even me, as an Itsekiri, is pained by this.

There is something I have noticed within the last few days, the Igbos are a VERY PATIENT LOT! If this was happening to the NDeltan, Northerners would have found the ND to hot to live in. If it was the Yorubas, mile 12, yaba, shangisha and Sagamu would be boiling with northerner's blood.

Is someone trying to force us to a civil war?? Are they trying to lay all the blame on one ethnic group, the Igbo?? Does someone want the Igbo to fight a civil war for them??

GEJ, what are you doing about this?? I know its not easy but GEJ, you are not helping matters by your recent actions. May God grant you wisdom!



May the family of the dead find comfort in the Lord! Amen!

Dude they (igbos) are not talking and it seems they like it they way things are so abeg don't drag others to this (Niger-delta and the yorubas) OK!!.

They just prefer it this way that is why they have not asked fundamental question.

Logic Mind:
Igbos arm yourselves please!!!![/size]

Arm themselves and do what ? Kill faceless people called boko haram or kill the innocent people of the north ?

What would the arming do in this case ? if not more mistrust and killing.

smh

Onlytruth:
Chyz* nwanne m, biko hapu Beaf aka. I plead with you.
Iwe nwanne adighi eru na okpukpu.
Hapu ife belu na abani ka oburu anwu nta. I nu go?
Thanks in advance!  

why are u begging chyz to leave beaf alone. Even as you are eze ndigbo Nairaland, you cannot read simple political moves such as this.

People are planting seeds of discords among brothers but you insist to keep looking.

Ohaneze is more concern about the money they would get from the removal of fuel subsidy that to ask the commissioner of police why people are dying ?

Na wa o.

More from asaba earlier today

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[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=843992.msg9944341#msg9944341 date=1326308409]Can someone tell me why they had to mention that they were Igbo? Seems like vanguard is bent on trying to start a war and using the Igbos to do it. [size=14pt]My question is, why did the state or fed gov not send them any protection? Or did they but the soldiers/policemen are actually the bokos and the ones who killed them?[/size][/quote]Very good question. Now someone is thinking

Nice one chyz

Bliss4Lyfe:
Comment on the thread if u must, but stop replying my post? 

if I reply to ur post, come kill me

Remember it is because I love you that is why I am doing this nywanne

karl max:
Ans. I don't care as long as my LGA is getting its share of the N1.3tr government spends to subsidize it for them initially!!! Instead of me  protesting to give NNPC the N1.3tr to continue subsidizing it for  them

Nah you were never giving NNPC 1.3 trillion. but Ok time would tell

jmaine:
I understand  . . .

It better be 00h! cos me don tire  . . .

I would answer your question in two stead: -

Scenario 1:- whether they smuggle it into neighboring countries . .the FG wont be paying heavily for that illegal activity . .

Scenario 2: with the amount of bribe they need to pay all the way to those countries . . .The Low profit margin might just discourage the smugglers from taking that route often . .which ever way, we spend no cash while those who sell within would continue to make more money . . . due to population indices . . .

The fuel subsidy scam is like a festering cancer tissue  due to the high systemic corruption . .and what do you do to such tissue . .you cut it off completely . . .

If the government subsidizes production within, it would create jobs and increase the socio-economic well being of an average Nigerian . . . we would rather start importing to other places than smuggling . .unless what you export is against the law . . .

Yes, your fears are genuine but that is a worse case scenario you played . . .mind if i also play another scene by telling you that before then, we might have had our TAM completed on our refineries and also others refineries might also spring up . . .

Everyone has a doom day scenario . . . but let's leave it at that . . .

I no go disturb you again make I allow you rest

Oga Jmaine thanks a lot, I enjoyed the discussion and appreciate it. Thanks

efisher:
@alj harem, let me use a set of questions to "answer" one of your above questions.

Cars are smuggled daily from Cotonou to Nigeria. Does that have a negative effect on Benin Republic? Has the smuggling resulted a shortage of cars in Benin?

The key condition is this: When there is no subsidy (money paid out by govt), on a commodity, then its smuggling results in no loss for the nation as long as supply is guaranteed. (In fact it's a net gain for the source country).

I like the way you put the highlighted point. The answer is NO since cars are manufactured goods and are not produced in benin republic thus it has not effect on their economy UNLIKE Crude oil that is produced in Nigeria and has every effect on our economy.

My brother that is not the key. The key from the government point of view is that people are smuggling PMS to other countries of which the FG has paid subsidy for. If so, if the prices of petrol in benin goes up to 200 naira, there would still be smuggling and thus the issue has not been fixed

Yes it would affect Nigeria's economy because if NNPC can account for the amount of crude oil exported to be refined (imagine nigeria exporting oil to be refined, I weep for this country) and cannot account for the resulting liters of petrol, it means we are at the losing end here.

take a look at this example

If Nigeria export 1 billion barrel of crude oil and it is expected to bring back 500 million of PMS but brings back 300 million barrels of PMS since it has smuggled 200 million of chad. Who loses. Nigeria's economy or the other ?

think of the money expected and think of the money recovered. Yes that is right, we would be at the losing end

emmke:
i blame gej. The security of every nigerian is his responsibility. The guy isn't even trying. More like everyone is on his own. Say whatever, but dude is by far the most incompetent president we've ever had.

are you minding the ideeiots. People are dying and instead of asking the commisioner etc why their lives are not protected they would come on NL shout Hausa, aboki, Yoruba etc They think tribalsims would end the killing.

Bunch of fish brains

Bliss4Lyfe:
Unacceptable, these were bread winners for their family and contributor to the Nigeria economy. WTF!!

STFU. shebi una no want ask question for the government why Igbos are dying and everyone seem to be quite about it. Well live with it OK!!! and stop ur silly ranting here that they are breed winners. Bread winners my a55

MUMU tribalsitic person

Fhemmmy:
This is getting more scary by the day

it is, even the police men and women meant to enforce law and order are being targeted now.

GEJ should give room for dialogue and discussion with the people.

i think GEJ better chill and listen to the people that voted for him.

We the people were not meant to serve him but him to serve us. He is a public servant and should not get things the other way around.

I hope we do not have a dictator on our hands here. It is always advisable to dialogue and discuss rather than take rash decisions.

LAGOS (AFP) – Nigerian oil workers union, NUPENG, on Wednesday threatened to shut down crude production as a nationwide strike over soaring fuel prices pushed on for a third day.

“We are contemplating shutting down oil production,” said Tokunbo Korodo, Lagos head for oil workers union NUPENG, one of two unions in the oil industry which mainly represents blue-collar workers.

“We are just waiting for the outcome of discussions between labour and government today. The outcome of that meeting, if not favourable, will lead us to shutting down oil production.”

While the strike that started on Monday has virtually paralysed the country and brought tens of thousands out into the streets nationwide, oil production has not been affected so far. Nigeria produces around 2.4 million barrels per day.

The strike was called over a government move to end fuel subsidies on January 1, which caused petrol prices to more than double in Africa’s most populous nation where most people live on less than $2 per day.

Unions are calling on the government to return fuel prices to 65 naira per litre ($0.40, 0.30 euros), the level before January 1.

https://www.flytolagos.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/nupeng.jpg

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/nupeng-threatens-to-shut-oil-production-amid-strike/

the same happened in Kano where people disobeyed the government/NLC and continued protest

Logic Mind:
aboki is aboki

what does that got to do with the topic ?

By Citizen Bulugbe Temitope, Ibadan

Residents of Ibadan and environs in Oyo State trooped out en masse against the state government’s movement restriction order, to continue with the protest against the removal of fuel subsidy by the federal governmnet.

Protest continues in lbadan despite curfew impose by government yesterday. Tyres are burnt in major areas around lbadan, especially Challenge, Mokola, University of lbadan and Bere in lbadan town.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/protest-continues-in-ibadan-despite-curfew/

MINNA (AFP) – A mob rampaged in the city of Minna on Wednesday, burning political offices, leaving one police officer dead and prompting an all-day curfew, officials and residents said.

“The Niger state government has imposed 24-hour curfew on all the 25 local government areas of the state as a result of the breakdown of order in Minna,” a statement from the state government said. Minna is the state capital.

The rampage came amid nationwide strikes and protests over soaring fuel prices, but the cause of the violence believed to involve several hundred people was not immediately clear.

Attackers burnt the law office of a ruling party official, a local electoral office and a campaign office for the state governor.

State police spokesman Richard Oguche confirmed that a police inspector guarding the electoral office was killed during the rampage.

“It is true we lost one inspector to the hoodlums at the INEC office,” he said without giving further details.

A bakery was also attacked and looted by the miscreants, an AFP correspondent said. Calm later returned as security forces patrolled.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/mob-rampages-kill-police-officer-in-minna/

jmaine:
^

Am not primed for long arguments . . am the mike tyson type with  powerful stunning blows over a short period of time  . . so this might just be my last answer  . . .

Yes, not totally now . .but definitely now . . and to be candid , Nigerians in general don't have a particular "now" when subsidy should be removed . . . it's in our DNA to criticize . .

The world economy of 2005 was more stable than 2011, like Sanusi pointed which most people chose to ignore . . Economies round the world are trimming down on their socialist expences in the name of austere measures . .recently the U.K prime minister also announced some . . .due to the fragile balance of the global economy . . .

Economists work on prediction and forcast to plan for today . .and the difference is that the economic forecast for 2005 was not as dicey as the economic forecast for 2011 and beyond . . .and what was obtainable in 2005 may not be obtainable in 2011 . . . 6 whopping years, in which there was a global melt down in between

One word Difference . . .in time and even in space . .

As for the trust issues . . .I understand the fears of Nigerians cos i feel the same way too  . . . but we must have a little faith in the system or else . .our negativity would just bring stagnation rather than the risks for growth

This was rebutted by Reuben Abiatti (Below) but it's subject to more clarification  . . . Na government rebuttal sha 
http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/news/32599-jonathan-accuses-house-of-inciting-nigerians.html


With all sincerity, there has been ground work to build the refineries since mid 2010 . .at least that of the Lagos i was aware of . . . As an EIA expert, i wanted to get involved and as a business man . .i wanted to buy off some lands around the locality for future sale purposes . .Lands around the refinery location would be gold  . .so we predicted  . . . And to do an EIA of that magnitude can span more than a year if a thorough job is to be done over seasonal variations . . . before we now consider your normal bureaucratic bottle neck of analyzing the report from the experts, giving the go ahead, releasing funds, importing the machinery, and moving it to the site to commence work . . .You don't expect all this to be on the pages on the newspaper . .

If you want evidence . .go to the office of the D.P.R and you would see it  . . .

I support the bolded . . . but you cant place a figure on how much transport would be subsidized . . .but it can never shoot up to the trillions cos it's fuel utilized that would be accounted for devoid of smuggling and inflated and doctored importation papers

Diesel is just one of those numerous products gotten from the fractional distillation of crude oil and has such has other siblings . . .As far as the gasoline was heavily regulated and subsidized . .then it would make no economic sense to install a refinery while not utilizing the wholesome products to maximize profits . .they would simply be at a loss . .and no business is created to court losses . . .

Majority of the protests is against subsidy removal  . .those who went to those guyz houses were composed of 0.000001% of the grumbling voices of the masses . .why are your legislooters being hailed as heroes for playing to the gallery, asking for prize reversal . .why have their heads not being placed on the plate like the FG . .

This was too cheap of you . . .No iota of facts in them . .too hell with those Sahara junks and their useless and shameful propaganda . . this part did not do justice to your person . .

All you did here was to repeat yourself . . .I did acknowledge the trust issues as rightly pointed by you and everyone else . . .

First the removal of subsidy spanned OBJ period, so if you are to use OBJ as a comparison to GEJ, then there is a fallacy in that cos OBJ should also answer what happened to the subsidy money . . .

Yes, the subsidy money was wasted due to systemic corruption cos if there was none . .the power projects of the OBJ regime should have been lighting our homes on a consistent basis . .

Now my question . . .why did the labour Union and Nigerians generally not fight . . .guess, we thought it never affected us directly . .but chose to act now, since it is now on our door step . .sorry . .it's hypocrisy on our part . .

Your welcome but no give me too much work again    . .  I don tire  . . .

thanks Oga Jmaine but there are some things you stated that my mind can't just agree to.


One last thing oga jmaine and I would make it very short.

1. If the prices of fuel in Chad goes up to 200 naira, would the smugglers not still be benefiting ? You see it is like having headache and saying the solution is to cut the head off.

Other things the government is subsiding in the future can as well be smuggled out of the border

2. If the price of oil in america dollars then all of a sudden raises to 500 naira per liter, would we be buying the fuel at such prices even though we produce it ? Don't you think our economy has now been exposed ?

Thanks

[size=15pt]Was it not the same bakare that fought tooth and nail for GEJ to be the president ?

Hypocrite[/size]

jmaine:
Bros. You don come again . .Fine, they don't want the PDP . .but INEC booted out the same PDP in some states during the polls .

But wetin concern INEC office with protest . . . And some fools here are clearly stating shyte despite the deviation . . . So much for being saintly

Harem . I no dey refer to you ooh . . . .

No wahala bros

Ok it means burning Awaisu's house who is a PDP senator is also political right ?

IBB campaign nko ?

who is fooling who

jmaine:
Burning the INEC office has a strong indication of sour politics motivation . .next is to bomb innocent Christians . . Claiming  . . .GEJ is a christian

Yep people don't want PDP again. short and simple