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bidexiii:
#THROW BACK

It was a success then but I lost a friend.

doziex:
I beg to differ oga bidexiii bringing Eeben and his crew back would be what the doctor ordered, but we will have to pay ten times as much if he takes the contract.

What buratai and co need the most is advisory work and of course standing up some more aggressive units such as the mobile strike teams. They just need to select from our existing special force units.

I believe our lawmakers will be more apt to release the purse strings, if they are professionally briefed on the needed strategy and expenditure.
Our military leadership is still fighting a conventional war of numbers and clearing terrain. Which is the WRONG tactics. We are finding out that we cannot out recruit the bhts

It is about FFFF Find, Fix, Flank, Finish. Over and over again.

Intelligence and ISR platforms help us to find and fix the enemy. Then we have to close in or flank in difficult ambush rich terrain.

Here horizontal envelopment with Mobile Strike Teams in appropriate mraps and apcs NOT hilux death traps. This muscular patrols helps troops survive ambushes and fight thru them thereby increasing troop morale.

We should have enough transport helicopters to vertically envelop troops on to the target.

Technology such as drones, ISR platforms night vision equipment would also be needed.

So who protects the chibok and dapchi s of the war zone ?

Please, NA empower the CJTFs with real weapons to take the initiative and clear their own communities. Anything else is just a waste of time and resources. After all, they should be forming the vanguard of nigeria's future community policing.

Any mopol and police in the region should be equipped as regular soldiers i.e. Gun trucks,Gpmgs and RPGs

Our commanders could use advise and mentorship from real counterinsurgency professionals. Regardless of the training the British and Americans are offering.

There is no need for his presence here. We have units capable of replicating what he did. When eeben was in Nigeria, 72Msf was given priority by the government. Air backup was on ready alert, he had the weapons he wanted, he had ISR always (he knows everything around him 24/7). 72MSF is good but the Belarus / Russian trained guys are better. The Pakistani trained guys are now embedded with 72msf to increase their capability. They developed a new doctrine that works in the north east.


The problem here is we cannot provide ISR for every unit like we did for Eeben, now that the foreign hand is out of it, the guys do not get the desired fire power they want as there's no fund for it. AFSF, AHSG, and the SBS guys are the most deadly unit out there. Their ops lead to much casualty On BHT side but they're always at disadvantage when operating with regular troops. The guys prefer working alone as the regular troops give them a hard time. You don't want to be in a fire fight and at the same time telling someone what to do. Once you have a man down, the game changes.

I have only been in a couple of ambush and not in a direct offensive against BHT. What we need in Nigeria now is real equipments. @nemesis made mention of COMJAM which would have helped. Once the enemy communications is blanked out, their coordination will be out. We need proper IFV not even tanks. We need to deploy more mortars.

80% of the fight against Boko Haram has men going against AA guns, BHT ARTILLERY with just riffles and gun trucks with limited range. At times, multiple rocket fire will disable our vehicle since they're coming in large numbers and we'll spread out. Proper hardware and gadjets are important. Some BMPs are in SS, e need them here.

Eeben will change nothing here.

Jelal0007:
bro would you recommend we bring sttep back to nigeria considering their excellent record in decimating bh? to help train more units like the 72 msf and help re organise our military doctrines.

Makes extremely no difference.

nemesis8u:
The COMJAM ones ?

Yes but they're not in wide use.

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There was an argument earlier on, on this topic.

doziex:
Yeah no set up here. I watched the bht tape of the attack. It was a full frontal assault on a battalion size nigerien camp with some Nigerian liaisons.
Those that stood and fought died a gruesome death. Most broke and ran for it. The munition of the base was captured in its entirety.

What if NAF headed some of our calls and purchased the Russian/ex Indian Air Force SU-30ks, that our oil rival Angola eventually purchased. They would have been able to strike a base like bosso at will and neutralize the captured weapons before they could cause further havoc.

18 of those sukhois were going for as little as 150 million US dollars. Just what NAF needed but GEJ and co were still partying themselves stupid in Abuja then.

Nothing stops PMB and co. To go to Russia and try to replicate the deal. But they think bhts would hand them a cheap and easy victory.

NO WAY

I have said this and I will repeat it till I die. Nigeria will lose this war unless we smarten up, bury our pride and ego, and hire A reputable, effective PMC to guide our defense establishment out of this current mess.

We have excellent quality troops and special forces, but what is the quality of their leadership. What is the quality of their equipment? What is the quality of the current civilian leadership executive and legislature?

It's time to get aggressive but do we have the capability without causing an external aggression on our neighbors. Bht operates mostly from Chad and we cannot always cover the border for now.

If we do like Isreal and attack Boko Haram settlement inside the Chadians territory, this will do us extremely well. At times, there are intelligence report of bht with military hardware but we cannot strike in the Chadians airspace without provoking them.

Look at Isreal, they'll come into your country and destroy any hardware capable of affecting their nation.

nemesis8u:
U guys employ jammers during combat ?

In the videos the BH can be seen running around with radios /wts

We do. However, we field limited jammers.

jakeporeshenko:
But Boko Haram doesn’t control any territory, and Nigeria isn’t that large a country, if a super Tucano takes off from any of the NAF bases in the NE theatre it can hit any BH camp within our borders with pin point accuracy, More effective than an fast jet we can get our hands on.

Yes

Odunayaw:
700 soldiers armed with only rifles!
Do they learn anything at all? No gun nest for HMGs? No Mortars.

Gun trucks were available and machine guns but limited range when compared to the fire power brought in by BHT.
They have been firing from over 2km away with howitzer and others.

jakeporeshenko:
[b]But Boko Haram doesn’t control any territory, and Nigeria isn’t [/b]that large a country, if a super Tucano takes off from any of the NAF bases in the NE theatre it can hit any BH camp within our borders with pin point accuracy, More effective than an fast jet we can get our hands on.

They actually do in someway. They change location regularly after attack. The field howitzer, AA guns etc and they're being kept in camofluaged area to avoid detection by ISR platforms.

Once they carry out an attack, they have forest where they stay. That's what I meant by their controlled territory.

nemesis8u:
Wrt fast jet aircrafts utility in coin is low.
Best option is low speed coin optimised aircrafts.

Other than operational advantage , the economical advantage is huge which actually helps to blunt the economical attrition enforced by insurgency.

War is kind of about economics
It is the single most important aspect which is often ignored by everybody.

If costs escalates beyond ones capability , u r forced to bargain and end up in peace talks. Most insurgency success is attributed to their ability to enforce economic attrition successfully.

U guys ordered targeting pods ?

Till date as per my info all bombing runs in the home country has been done with the lasing being handled by targeting pods ( sniper pods ) aboard accompanying F16.

Organic capability ( final official certification ) to utilise onboard targeting pod is still unknown.

While BVR capability was claimed since long only recently was the official certification for BVR capability issued.

So need to wait for official confirmation.

No idea concerning the targeting pod. The only information I have is we are getting a JF-17 which can perform ISR at the same time. I think the top brass met with a Turkish firm last year on it. I just checked online and I have noticed alot of things are actually missing online concerning the military here.

The Tucano will be our dedicated coin aircraft while the JF-17 can be used to strike targets deep into heavily controlled BHT territory. We've been able to make good use of the fast F-7 for coin so I'm sure we should do good with the Jf17 too.

jakeporeshenko:
3 JF-17s won’t change the tide of a COIN war bidexiii, we need the army to do its damn job, that’s what we need. The Air Force and navy can only do soo much to support them.


What targeting sensors and smart bombs are we getting with our Jf-17s?
the super tucano is a more potent COIN aircraft.

3 jf-17 will do much. With accurate bombs, we can take out huge amount of BHT, drop bombs at high range, fire rockets from a long distance without taking hit. A-Jet do take hits at times from BHT fire as they do camofluage AA guns in various directions. This is why the jets go on immediate maneuver after during on BHT position.

Now, doctrine and tactics are being subjected to current capabilities. Ground troops alone cannot win this war except if we're readying to change alot of things starting from our light skinned vehicle, mounting surveillance and sensors on vehicles, proper offensive with ISR sweep around 50km radius of ground troops etc.

The cheapest option now remains equipping the Air Force.

Xbee007:
Which of the attacks do you think he was talking about?
AFAIK, Air Support never came during the Jilli attack where we lost hundreds of good men.

Air support was sent for Jilli when we repelled the attack. The barrack was never in total control of bht. Guys were held down as Boko Haram came in with AA guns. Troops were armed with assault riffles and could not hold the barrack for longer time as Boko Haram came in heavily.

Uniforms were being distributed to soldiers during the time of the attack so I'm sure there was a mole. Now let forget about the mole, it's a usual thing and that's why we have counter intelligence and things places in place. Lack of situation awareness around the barrack caused this. If they had known of an incoming BHT attack from at least 10km away from a military facility housing over 700 soldiers then air support request would have reached us and we would have responded faster.

A maximum response time of 10 - 15 minutes and we would have been there before much damage could have been done. During the attack, avoiding blue fire was necessary as it was already a danger close call when the jets arrived. Soldiers were running everywhere. Differentiating between BHT and own troops was hard so we had to wait for a SF team to coordinate the attack on expelling bht from the barrack.

One thing lacking is how these guys retreat during attack. You don't scatter anyhow as we will have a tough time providing air support. The SF Guys know this so we have an easy time providing back up for them. As you can see when our mi-17 had an issue and landed into the enemy territory, an A-jet was around ready to fire with a hind watching on our troops SIX. The guys retreated tactically and the A Jet fired on immobile military hardware which claimed some terrorist lives.

bidexiii:
In the last month there have been four high profile incidents in which policemen have been murdered, and their weapons removed.


As a result of the ongoing #BokoHaram insurgency, the data that makes up this infograph excludes killings in the North-East geopolitical zone.

This data covers the period from January 1, 2018 to July 16, 2018.



In total in the states covered in that period, 78 members of @PoliceNG have been killed, and their weapons, removed.

Please provide a link to this.

There's a guy on twitter called Edward. He's filled with epitome of false news. He claimed air support never came during the attack which hurts my soul to the core. How do you go online to spread such barbaric and wrong information?

Israel gives Hamas till Firday to stop arson attacks on Israeli farms. If not stopped by then, a large-scale #military operation is being planned to begin in Gaza soon after.

This is how you fight terrorism when you have the money and equipments.

sconp:
Then you make them see it. Create a problem for them and be the solution at the same time.

A senator's family had just been kidnapped. You mean deny them to the government intelligence and tracking equipments. Tell them the security agencies lack this and that lol.

bidexiii:
In the last month there have been four high profile incidents in which policemen have been murdered, and their weapons removed.


As a result of the ongoing #BokoHaram insurgency, the data that makes up this infograph excludes killings in the North-East geopolitical zone.

This data covers the period from January 1, 2018 to July 16, 2018.



In total in the states covered in that period, 78 members of @PoliceNG have been killed, and their weapons, removed.

I have seen a similar data before. There's a proposed solution and capability for the military which will reduce this alot. For me to find it fascinating, I am sure my seniors and decision makers should also find it to be so.

That's no problem. We find alot of solutions fascinating and sure of them working but we hardly proceed with them. I just hope we do this time around.

Lives matters alot.

bidexiii:
2020 is a very long year bro; men are dying.

Why can't we have the 1st 3 batch of the jf17 at least.

Why not pick up some upgraded mig-29 which will have similar maintenance facility with the jf-17. The Mig 29 uses same engine with the JF-17 so we should be able to pick up used and upgraded one within 6-9 months time frame.

Sensors matters alot in the fight against terrorism. Delivering accurate fire power on BHT would have done well. Apart from having joint naval drill with bigger countries, we need to have an Air Force drill where we can make the north east a test bed.

The last time, a Portuguese P-3 Orion and our NAF performed a reconnaissance during a pirate attack .

The exercise, I would have suggested to be between MNJTF but the Chadians Migs are not in good condition. I think one of the reasons DHQ doesn't consider them as a threat . The problem here is that if serious, they can put them back to life very fast.

A MNJTF air campaign comprising of ISR and follow on attack on BHT strong positions should be identified and hit. We're doing good presently but with our current capability, intense offensive will find our aircrafts being sent for reactivation AND maintenance extremely fast.

Odunayaw:
If they try to play politics, the MOD can use the media to strong arm/demonize/blackmail them into doing the right thing. We are not helpless at all, these guys are just doing too little

Take a look at the Tucson. With the deadline, they were not ready to release funds.

The United States congress is very passionate about their nation's military capability. Why it's different here is what I have no idea about .

SSGN:
Nigeria is punching far below its weight. Nigeria should be up there with the ranks of Egypt. Lets not forget this is Africa;s richest economy. Lets not forget this is the country with Africa's second biggest external reserves in dollars. Lets not forget this is a country that has the advantage of having an option of not wasting her precious foreign reserves by paying for weapons with commodities. Lets not forget this is a country that has been in a defacto state of war for 15 years. There are times i believe Nigerian leaders are Manchurian puppets....some of the things going on in this country defy human comprehension. TEN years of war....TEN YEAR...nothing to show for it..except a couple of helicopters and super mushank trainers. JF -17...the deal was reached upon 2015..its been three years we are still waiting for THREE aircrafts for test an evaluation. At this rest it will be 2045 before Nigeria acquires a squadron of the aircraft..thats if they do at all.

The ineptitude, non-chalance and stupidity of Nigeria's Military leaders stretches the capacity of the human brain to comprehend.

Nigeria currently has the largest foreign external reserve in Africa. Wetin you yarn na true.

I made mention about something similar here especially while talking about the tethered blimp. Nigeria lacks some little capabilities that are even expected of it.

This is not an issue of money but something being influenced politically. The CNS wants frigate, corvette etc but politically you need to find a way to make them approve of this. It's not the military or president's fault.

We have the funds but then maybe politicians are being intimidated by military capability. A complete threat assessment for the nation should be done and an executive order should be signed by the president to release funding for the military.

ugo4u:
Boss no vex abeg... Do you have any clue concerning recruitment this year for officer cadre? Its 2years now and nothing seems to be happening in that direction. I hold the notion that the army is grossly short of manpower, if algeria with a population less than half of ours has a strength of over a million soldiers I wonder why that of Nigeria is different putting into cognisance our treacherous landmass. Some of us can't wait to join the party in the NE.

Nigeria has issues with funding when it comes to the military. The president and military chiefs want more capabilities but the legislative body of the government and other political actions keeps disallowing this. We're really understaffed but money is needed to accommodate more personnel.

I will get some information concerning your request and tag you immediately I get a response.

Field0Marshall:
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Am not sure and authoritative...but I think scout snipers would do well to inform the base of any imminent threat if placed 10km away from the base.... The scout snipers won't be noticed since they won't be engaging the enemy... Just saying

Scout sniper won't do much around the military barrack. Terrain and others matter.
As sternprophet as mentioned, sabotage is something too.

Reading nemesis last response on this thread, it's similar to the capability to be employed soon. I would not want to disclose too much. Boss man got we military personnel on watch. The use of social media by troops here in NE is being controlled not to release too much information.

Dishing the capability out will also give me away. I can assure you that you'll find hint on media soon.

nemesis8u:
No offence , do u guys issue tenders / conduct competitive bidding ?

The problem lies there IMO and I will leave at that.

This pics below is of a tethered mil grade drone

In a tethered drone prima facie the main factor is the capability of the EO pod.

Also off topic recently where I am the impetus by the new companies is now on replacing mast mounted radars and optical sensors on vehicles with tethered UAV mounted radars and optical sensors on vehicles.

To cut down deployment/ pack up time , increase efficiency , decrease manpower , increase performance , increase survivability etc etc

In the future tethered drones will replace almost all mast mounted systems.

No idea on the procurement details.

Tactics keeps changing everytime so the technology needs to be able to evolve with threat everytime. This is what we're lacking.

Xbee007:
BTW, where is Tdayof

@allexpensive, do you really understand what a tethered drone is? cos I have never seen any with Nigerian Army before.

Spoke to him few weeks ago. Working on a security clearance to bring in some device the company worked on.

nemesis8u:
Seriously DJI ?

They come tethered ? I don't think so ( maybe I am wrong here correct me )

We too use DJI drones but as expendables on the LOC , no point in wasting the expensive and capable ones.
And since enemy uses the same ones we use the same to sneak in close for some close ups undetected. And if they shoot it down they can keep it.

For VPA / base surveillance u need to go for capable drones. DJI r commercial drones after all without military grade capabilities.

And really I am flabbergasted
for dead zone surveillance DJI drones r ok
But base defence I am not so sure.

Xbee007

No, they did not come tethered. It was all bought and configured for the mentioned capability by the company incharge of the project.

My point exactly is that some of these things we're getting from the so called foreign manufacturers lack the advance technology. Imagine pitching a tethered UAV to the military only to come around with the basic capability on DJI for us to use.

We actually have operational improvements but we need something better. Foreign manufacturers are cutting down capabilities being brought to us and this is why the CAS is keen on R&.

nemesis8u:
Where ?

And who said application is expensive ?

It is a wrong assertion

One system based on its capability will cover the whole base out to a considerable distance. They also have auto trackers , no chance of loosing targets in the fog of war

Tdayof should have gone for it . It was easily marketable.

I once discuseed this with him and he insist on funds to cover aerospace projects. He once linked the current capabilities to be below par. Being in the military my self, AF. I agree with him.
Some capabilities being pitched to the military are actually working but same amount could have been dedicated for a more strategic capability on similar / same platform.

Our last discussion is that he has something for the military and will be discussing with them personally.

nemesis8u:
Where ?

And who said application is expensive ?

It is a wrong assertion

On the expensive application, I was referring to the tethered balloon / blimp.

On the tethered UAV, it's been used in the northeast. DJI is platform being used.

Odunayaw:
Not for us how?

the tech is low cost, do a little research. The other "places"? within or without


Yes,true there are missing capabilities & its mind boggling

It's a low cost technology but application is expensive.

Not only about surveillance but onboard sensors. @nemesis, tethered UAV is being used already.

Odunayaw:
What of tethered "balloons" with EO sights, that's one way of ensuring eyes over a base.

I think Nemesis has scripted something about base defence, if he can think it our officers should be able to but every one is behaving paraplegic

1) Not for a country like Nigeria. Except you're waiting for a donation, it won't be employed.
2) This same technology will be expensive to be maintained by the military as there are many places where eyes are being needed so this alone won't work.

If you've studied the military well, you'll observe some basic missing capabilities and wonder why has the military not being in possession of it.

doziex:
Yeah bro 1st I think you are mixing the narrative of the 2 different attacks.

The ambush around bama area as described by the theater commander began as a search and destroy operation till their heavier vehicles got bugged down in mud then bht like the hyenas they are gathered to take advantage of the stuck apcs and possibly tanks.
Thanks to the NAF and the suppressive fire by the AFSF, some of the vehicles have been recovered. It wasn't the 23 man missing story that was initially broadcast around the world.

NA must invest in several transport helicopters such as the mi-17 to perform a vertical envelopment of their target not the horizontal envelope net that was attempted in this case
Which are prone to get bogged down by the environment and/or enemy ambush.

Helicopter mobile assault the way to maneuver about the battle space, especially in the rainy season.

In the second story I am hearing that the base fell for a ruse as bht tricked them into thinking they were NA troops approaching, then opened fire at the gate.
If so, this is not a failure of situational awareness, as they were aware of the approach , but a colossal failure of intelligence
They should be sure of all own troop movements about the battle space.
Here I am hearing that things were not as bad as first reported.

Let's all hope NA's version of the store holds up

Good intelligence is at the heart of such preparation, as well as political and social understanding of any grievances that might be solved.

Saying they tricked them into believing they're approaching NA men Is one thing also has to do with lack of situational awareness. Standard should be upheld if the military would want to win this war.

Make a post 2-3km away from the military entrance where all incoming and outgoing vehicles are being screened. I have seen couple of vehicles rolling in and out of our barracks without these steps.

It doesn't matter if the vehicle and soldiers inside frequent the barrack. They should all be screened. Moreover, there's no way BHT would have gotten on the military radio channel to disturb the military.

kunmiiii:
Hahahaha!!! Did u just say involve in "Serious undercover work"....Pls no "Serious undercover"detective will open teeth and post for a selfie adorning the attire of their security agency, you alluded it was taken by a third party, why allow a third party take implicating pictures of u brandishing assault rifles when u know d pics might see the light of the day, why not delete the said pictures if not for show.

Though...I'm not gonna dispute their mediocre undercover work or debase their commitment to work and putting their precious lives on the line, but they are also committed to terrorising and the harassment of innocent youths and Nigerians abi the harrasment is also part of their " Serious undercover duty"

Those are IRT strike teams. The undercover unit of the team is unknown.

This is the same thing when it comes to the FBI, USSSS etc. Undercover officers(the ones performing surveillance) are unknown but some members of the tactical unit are known at times.