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Thank You all.

krattoss:
sir, how bout capturing few alive, torture them till they give out sensitive info and snitch on their ops, location, targets and wherebouts.

Then make them watch their selves die slowly

Amnesty international is reading

We do capture injured bokoharam. The terrorist know this and they try running with their fellow jihadist. When this is not possible, they execute them at close range themselves.

bidexiii:
Have you been ambushed ambushed in the night; that's totally another different scenario..

Night ambush. It is easy to detect the incoming fire direction at night. So what I do is get on the radio, the convoy knows what I need them to do already. Put the vehicle on reverse with the gunners loading fire power on the terrorist position. Many things come into play here such as the nature of the ambush, if you've taken casualty, is any car disabled etc.

We all look up to God to fight us through it.

jakeporeshenko:
Are you with the army or Air Force ?
When you said armored hilux I immediately thought about proforce.

Air Force. Proforce yes.

jakeporeshenko:
The kind of fire power we need against those Boko Haram AA mounted gun trucks or modern IFV with 20mm unmanned turrets.

Here is what we need. Just came out from repelling 45mina plus ambush. No casualty. Convoy made up of NA regular/ NAF rgt. 11 BHT dead and no casualty on our side.

I think having your own tactics makes you turn around an ambush. As an officer, I have never taken casualty during an ambush. Take cover, identify the situation and see the best strategy. Once you start loosing guys, your firepower capability goes down.

BHT opened fire on our convoy, we spaced out to id location. Moving on could have been dangerous as ambush at times do have IED traps ahead.

Spaced out, two armored hilux came in to cover position with soldiers taking cover with the vehicles. Gunners launched a suppressive fire on the location but as a wide area, we had to prosecute on foot.

7 bht sent to their 72s.

joshingjosh:
Have anyone seen those innosons vehicle (Nigeria's Humvees ) been used in the North East or for patrols?? Cause am yet to see one

They are being deployed here for combat. They seem better than the Toyota in this raining season.

Since the last 72 hours. Series of ambush keeps coming in both from the US to the terrorist and them to us. The NAF can do just little during ambush against own troops at most cases as collateral damage will be extremely high.

Surgical strike is not possible. We can only communicate with droops to give them situation awareness and position of the terrorists as they are always surrounded in most cases but unfortunately we do take casualties too.

The guys need to be aware of everything going around the position to turn around ambush. Locating gun shots fire is another problem as the bush are getting thick due to this weather.

We shall triumph. We're making progress but we need to be able to work on not taking any casualty during ambush. No matter how many terrorist we send to their 72s, lossing a single soldier and brother is painful.

I haven't seen this on media yet. No media is reporting on the heavy casualty poured on BHT by the military.

Jamming of network communication is still on.

nemesis8u:
U posted exactly what I had posted some months ago in one of these threads.

Interesting

We have blocked all communications in the affecting sides. During this, an ambush was conducted on a large BHT position with casualty going to over 120 I can confirm.

Taking out communications is extremely effectively.

Xbee007:
I find this very difficult to believe.

That the DSS operates covert ops or have strike teams trained in ?

Did you hear about two men who were be.hea.ded by BHT after infilt.rating the gro.up? A DSS led ops that.

Odunayaw:
Yes,this was website that mentioned it, I understand you can't talk much. I de come join una soon.

Meanwhile, wanted to know if you have come across Intel agencies(you know them) in the theatre. I always have the feeling they are docile. Also, do the QRF/SF people recruit service wide or just straight from Regt.
Do not mind me, am inquisitive

The DSS also has an in telli gence team with SF grade tr.aining. They operate deep into BHT territory. Dress like a te.rrorist, eat like a terro.rist, talk like a terroris.t and mingle with terrori.sts then str.ike when ne.eded.

Things like that.

nemesis8u:
It's a collection , processing and dissemination centre.

utilizes feed from multiple sources , collaterates and analyses collected info into actionable inputs / recognizable picture

Yes, and more than that.

Odunayaw:
Thanks for your reply, its appreciated

Yes I have heard about it (only news). Do you mind telling us, if it won't get you in trouble

https://theeagleonline.com.ng/minister-inaugurates-dias-fusion-centre-receives-briefs-from-theatre-commander/

It's a critical asset so I can only make little disclosure. It's a command center that houses DHQ Intel network In the north east. It's a counter terrorism center where everything on the battlefield is being monitored. It also features some capabilities which I can not mention.

jakeporeshenko:
NNSBS

Still the most dangerous asset Nigeria has which is known to the public.

GeneralFeezy:
Boss abeg I've been waiting for Nigerian Army DSSC form for ages. Please can I have a private chat with you on this matter?

I am with NAF and I have few information about that but you can @ me with your email address. I will forward it to a friend who will contact you.

QuietMynd:
It's Algeria

Thanks for this.
The media has taken Algeria out of Africa and then concentrate on Nigeria and South Africa.

Algeria has a very large reserve. I see why they have no issues with military procurement.

Odunayaw:
This question is in regards to your exposé on 72MSF

-Is that unit still active or it has been merged with AHSG

-Since AFSF & AHSG are top level units, why not the higher ups designate equipments permanently to them

- I do not understand NAF's SOC, I expect a squadron or two of Helos &/or UAV to be domiciled within the command specifically for special missions

72MSF is still active. I think they now operate with men of the 7th division. I don't have much idea about their current state as I am about air ops here. Most times we need to roll out, it's with the AFSF. We do back up a team in distress if we're the nearest to them.

The operational areas in the north east is very large so AFSF & AHSG are being deployed to various places. You can't field all units with high tech equipments. They also have the phantom with then to monitor their surroundings.

To be precise, AFSF operational area is large that you need huge money to equip them well. That's a normal thing with SFs all over the world but here in Nigeria, we don't have the money. We have non SF unit in the NE and they need the attention too. These boys are doing very well too. Coming under several ambush in a day and not knowing if you'll see the next.

ON SOC

They're working very well. In this war, many things are involved and at times you wonder why? But the answer lies up there. It's a game. We don kill bht, bomb bht, but then no dey finish. At times, ISR don't lead to immediate execution. You need to monitor for days.

Have you heard about the FUSION counter terrorism center? The heart of the Nigerian counter terrorism / insurgency intelligence center.

abiodunalasa:
You superiors will soon force u outta this thread when you are revealing too much... just like they have done to other officers on this noble thread.
Keep your contributions short and rare. And go under the radar every now and then. ... lest DIA will p*imp your phone.

The rule is not that strict on we officers in as much as we don't give out operational informations or details that when observed can act as a potential information to anyone out there gathering information.

RevenGeMission:
Maybe if you read it upside down you'll get it ?

Yes, I understand now.

Thanks.

RevenGeMission:
That typical mentality , You are too blind to note that your brothers and sisters are the ones condemning everything progressive this administration has done ? suddenly you turned to accountants, investigators , mathematicians , scientists e.t.c

Who gives a shyytt how much it cost ? what does it matter how much it costs , it's great achievement for Nigeria and Nigerians and we all should applaud it , why must you complain ??

The thread on the Tuscano Jet purchase was about 7 pages long and it's full of hate , anger and all sorts of slandering this administration they asked why should it take long to deliver, why should it cost $500M when a unit costs $45M , turns out that cost is standard configuration and they didn't factor in weapons, delivery , spare parts and aviation contractors who would be training our pilots


When we talk , you accuse us of tribalism but in reality you and your types who see the madness and refuse to condemn it are the hypocrites

When a national newspaper editor goes on record to call a tribe sophiscated mowrons over a well deserved award then you know it's not a joking matter

Are you saying the A-29 procurement does not include training, ammunition and facility?

Where did that lie come from?

nemesis8u:
UAV UCAV utility in my opinion is overblown thanks to western media.

I have witnessed sudden temp fluctuations leading to moderate cross winds forcing UAVs to kiss the ground.

UAVs cannot take off if wind conditions r unfavorable etc etc

only high capability high flying UAVs r able to deliver the required performance most of the times and importantly not all the time.

Even minimal optimal Aerodynamic stability in all weather conditions is a big ask for most of the UAVs

Also in real world maintening LOS links with the UAV is like a poker game of sorts . Atmospheric fluctuations more than often plays spoilsport.

UAVs must be utilised but in a complementary role, main emphasis should be on platforms which we can control more effectively and r immune to external uncontrollable factors.


Let us not fall prey to perceptions , real world is a unforgiving place for man and machines

100%

bidexiii:
I don't know why the Airforce did not use drone to maximise the kill percentage

The UAV May not be readily available. A fast response was needed so an available jet was sent in hit the target.

Xbee007:
More than five times.
If you have seen an Alpha Jet in action before, you would have known that you can hear its noise at least four to five seconds before you see it.

If it were a drone that hit them, it would have had over 90% kill rate.

The area would be straffed with canons and rockets.

72msf mattered alongside other front line units is one thing. Saying they didn't matter at all is another.

72MSF In my own opinion was an advantage to us for the fact that we had more SF unit trained to combat BHT. The equipments at their disposal was what made the difference. Anywhere 72MSF operates, then you have the PMC contractors with them. They did not come here to die so they had technological advatange in the northeast. Their Intel was top notch with two choppers always at their disposal. The choppers do not belong to NAF so they performed ISR on their own too.

What I have been trying to explain is that 72MSF was not unique because of tactics, training or manpower but because of equipments at their disposal. So instead of bringing in any PMC again, the government should procure similar gadjets for strategic units in direct confrontation with Boko Haram.

Why has the government not done this?
1)Our defense budget is small
2) Boko Haram alone isn't what the military is into
3) operational areas in the north east is very wide. Equipping all strategic units with this will cost alot.
4) There are other things the military need to procure.

@doziex

krattoss:
why not invade that village called chad

Diplomacy. We have a nice and gentle government. Tell the Chadians you have an intelligence report on BHT in their territory and the next moment, BHT changes location.

You need to strike without their approval. Our current capability will need ISR to fly in and F-7 being deployed due to speed to return back Into the Nigerian airspace but can the ISR make it before time runs out?

Eeben was not the most effective unit on ground during his presence.

72 paratroopers bn, 7 Infantry Division had proven to be more effective and hence always had 72MSF back. These two were the ones into direct confrontation with BHT While 72MSF comes in.
During the take over of baga, 72MSF was never in a direct fight against BHT alone. You can't attribute the success to them. There was a blue fire from I think 7 infantry/103bn on 72MSF ( this shows how close 72 MSF was always operating around the circle of other units and Bn deployed there).

Where do you put the deadly 103 bn in the fight against terrorism? 72Msf was just like every other unit out there but benefited from publicity and this is what you should understand as it is publicity for the PMC . There was nothing special there.

The decision makers know there's no need for a PMC as its replicating already available capability. We sent bht parking out then because new hardware were procured and we intensified aerial combat due to election.

Jelal0007:
bidexiii please visit eeben barlow's blog and do a thorough read up on it. as for you dumb 1diot (SternProphet ) who claims to have a high iq but keeps speaking trash, learn to disagree without resorting to insults. how much equipment did eeben barlow, his team and the 72msf have (besides mraps,aa guns and limited air support)when they dealt deadly blows to BH b4 they left in 2015? something is amiss here.

Boko Haram are more heavily armed right now. They field military hardware from Chad and Niger.

doziex:
Also wanted to add RIP to all the gentlemen and women we lost. All expensive, sorry for those you lost.

Thank you. Hoping to see improvement from the Senate. We need more strategic equipments. Capabilities need to increase as this is the pride of the nation.

Loosing friends can be painful. On the field, you can't predict the next few minutes.

doziex:
So after an entire battalion just gets decimated at our nations border. Folks are still too proud to admit that nigeria is a counterinsurgency lightweight that could possibly learn from the experience of others?
Shekau and his group might be dwindling, but al barnawi with Isis tutelage in growing fat on Nigerian, nigerien and Cameroonian military supplies.

This group has us outclassed and outmaneuvered and folks still want to show case naija pride. O ya pump out your chest while other people's children die and nigeria gradually disintegrates.

I would continue to raise this issue, as my purpose is to influence someone who might be connected to our authorities. And hopefully some humility would dawn on some of our more jingoist bloggers.

We are in the dark groping for answers. We should be willing to listen to folks that has been there before. And have the requisite skills and dogma.

Stern prophet, what you excuse as a weekend mishap, signifies a dearth in the counterinsurgency best practices in our military leadership.

So how ever many well trained counterinsurgency special forces we have, the generals are prone to misapply their skills. Unless the generals are retrained in counterinsurgency concepts or have the benefit of advisers.

I never said Sttep or Eeben was only PMC out there. Stan michrystal and general petraus come to mind. Prior to Iraq, they authored the US army's concepts and best practices on counterinsurgency.

MPRI is a PMC that marries struggling armies like NA, and generals like Petraus.
Countries like Thailand, Philippines, Columbia, Mexico and Croatia have utilized their services. But I guess you know something they all don't.

Of what difference will any PMC make except they come with their own weapons. You still don't understand. Troops are not lacking skills or less battle capable but some units lack that offensive capability.

Except the PMC is coming with their own air platforms, weapons, IFV etc there's nothing they can do. You're outgunned and out numbered.

Mind you this won't be the same in case of an external aggression by a neighboring country. Coin warfare is different from defending your territorial integrity.

You need to understand that some things are politically motivated. We went to The Gambia prepared, deployed gun trucks, APC and new weapons were given out.

We performed RECON and aerial coverage on our troops location. This is the same thing any PMC will do if they come here. They have only few things to look after and Carter for.


Even if the barrack had T72s stationed there, it would have been a bad thing.

Here's Boko Haram's tactics.
1) Fast and rapid deployment of troops
2) Fast mobility
3) Spread out.
4) Long range weapons and sporadic shooting.
5) Come in large numbers.

Now let us examine this on 700 soldiers.
1) Artillery comes in consecutively..
Action: Everyone takes cover.
2) Boko Haram combines AA, howitzer etc in multiple directions.
Action: Soldiers trying to figure out the best way to repel the attack while manning defensive position and gun trucks moving into position.
Reaction : Artillery lands on troops vehicle since the guns and projectiles are being fired in multiple direction. You start taking casualty. After about 10 minutes, suppressive fire wasn't working and bht damage radius starts increasing.

Available options.

Deploy Mortars very fast to prevent them from advancing. Keep firing IFV, rockets on bht position ( we field rockets deployed on light skinned but not widely used.)

You can only match them with similar fire power and not soldiers with riffles.

Odunayaw:
Am glad you see things this way!! So glad
Are you a Regt personnel?

Yes but not active on the field. Training and advice.

The above post of mine has a clear picture on what happened but some info there are wrong.

You can pick up yours from it.

Exclusive! Untold Story Of Recent Boko Haram's Deadly Attack On Nigerian Troops

PREMIUM TIMES has obtained exclusive details of how insurgents ambushed a detachment of Nigerian troops and hours after overran a fortified military base, inflicting maximum damage.

In an assault that has now created fresh complications for the military operation in war-ravaged North-east, suspected Boko Haram insurgents last weekend attacked troops in Borno and Yobe states, killing soldiers, plundering equipment and supplies and torching even larger quantity of equipment and supplies.

The terrorists hit a convoy of officers, soldiers, informants, local vigilante members and hunters in the first attack on July 13. The early morning ambush, which occurred in Bama Local Government Area, Borno State, initially left five officers and 60 soldiers missing. But most of the troops later found their way back to base by the next morning.


The following day, insurgents swarmed 81 Division Task Force Brigade in Jilli, near Geidam, Yobe State. Three Nigerian Army officers and 28 soldiers were confirmed killed in the attack, military sources who examined the aftermath of the attacks informed PREMIUM TIMES.

Sources disclosed that one officer and 24 soldiers who survived varying but serious degrees of injuries during the attack are currently undergoing treatment at medical facilities in Maiduguri, Borno State, and Damaturu, Yobe State.

Two members of the Civilian Joint Task Force (CJTF) were also killed in the Jilli attack, while three of their colleagues who sustained serious injury are at the hospital in Maiduguri. Four CJTF members went missing in the attack, while the fate of five remained undetermined.


An officer and two soldiers were acknowledged missing in action in the Bama attack by the Nigerian Army 7 Division Headquarters in Maiduguri. But multiple military sources told PREMIUM TIMES that three officers and nine soldiers were still missing in action as at July 16.


In both attacks, insurgents suffered at least 10 casualties, but were able to cart away military equipment and supplies, both ranging from assorted gun trucks to food items in storage facilities.

The Army downplayed the degree of troops’ setbacks in its reaction to initial news reports about the Bama attack, saying in a July 16 statement that only one officer and one soldier were injured.


Texas Chukwu, a brigadier general and Army spokesperson, completely ignored media enquiries and reports about the attack on the military base in Jilli.

How attack unfolded

For days, PREMIUM TIMES explored multiple channels to uncover behind-the-scenes details of the attacks, which occurred over 200 kilometres apart and which security analysts have linked to the Abu-Mus’ab Al-Barnawi faction of Boko Haram. The group is known to target military interests rather than soft, mostly civilian targets.

Our sources, well informed about the events, explained how the attack unfolded.

The first attack on July 13, they said, involved six officers, 63 soldiers from 21 Brigade in Bama and 22 Task Force Brigade who were moved from their base in Ilorin and stationed in Bama as part of the ongoing war against Boko Haram.

They were joined by eight military informants, one member of CJTF and two hunters. They left Bama around 9:40 a.m. in seven gun trucks, two Toyota Hilux trucks for a planned operation in Kwakwa, a community in the same local government.

Military sources said the troops recorded initial successes in clearing villages of Boko Haram remnants along the way. When they arrived in Kwakwa, they also managed to flush out some insurgents lurking in a part of the community until they advanced to other parts that had become muddy as a result of heavy downpour in recent days.

At about 4:00 p.m., the men found it difficult to move with their gun trucks due to the impassable terrain and decided to disembark and proceed on foot to clear other areas of terrorists. It was at this point that Boko Haram fighters suddenly emerged, formed a ring around them and opened fire.


Most of the soldiers then dispersed in different directions. The rest managed to escape in two gun trucks. The remaining trucks and equipment were abandoned at the scene, PREMIUM TIMES learnt.

By the time air support arrived the next day, only two empty trucks were left, insurgents had made away with five anti-aircraft gun trucks and all the bombs and ammunition in them. The Air Force was unable to tow the remaining two empty trucks away and decided to demobilise them to make it impossible for Boko Haram to remove.

Most of the troops returned to their bases between the first day of the attack and the second day, but one officer and two soldiers were still missing as at July 18 with chances of their return becoming increasingly dimmer by the hour, military sources said.

At least 10 Boko Haram fighters were killed in the attacks and about four AK-47 rifles were also seized from them by troops, sources said.

Abdulmalik Biu (brigadier general), the acting general officer commanding of the 7 Division in Maiduguri, arrived at the 21 Brigade Headquarters in Bama hours after the attack. He interacted with many of the personnel on ground, including those who escaped the onslaught and those who participated in rescue efforts.

At the 81 Division Task Force Brigade in Yobe, which is a key base for the Operation Last Hold, Boko Haram elements caught the soldiers completely off guard, military sources said.

In the July 14 attack, three officers and 28 soldiers were killed, and unknown number unaccounted for as at July 16, two days after.

One officer, 24 soldiers and two members of the CJTF were severely injured and taken to hospitals in Damaturu, Geidam, and Maiduguri.

The brigade commander’s Hilux truck with all the communication gadgets was taken away. The insurgents also took away an ambulance, arms and ammunition, food supply for the period of July 15 to 31, petrol, oil and lubricants, as well as newly-issued military uniforms.

They destroyed stores, offices, church, two Sino trucks, one Mack truck and water tanker in the attack, PREMIUM TIMES learnt.

Mr Chukwu did not respond to PREMIUM TIMES’ requests seeking comments about the contradictions in his statement and what actually transpired in the attack.

Instead, he demanded to know who our sources are, saying he is on ground in Maiduguri and has a better understanding of the attack.


Defence Headquarters spokesperson, John Agim, also declined to comment on the specifics of the attacks.

He however said the Chief of Army Staff, Tukur Buratai, a lieutenant general, is on ground to assess the situation and that there might be more information for the public thereafter.

Onyema Nwachukwu, colonel, and spokesperson for the 7 Division, said enquiries on the matter should be directed at Mr Chukwu.