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@elizabetta

Is there anything to gain in this world?there is absolutely nothing,life is vanity.so think of where your soul is going and don't lose it.

Yet you shout "Blood of Jesus" or "I REJECT IT WITH FIRE!" when say Armed Robbers threaten to take you away from this SINFUL world to HEAVEN!

@joshjosh

you guys crack your heads over things that should not bother you too much. did you see anything about an african church or black majority church there?

What's your point?
While this trend should not bother us really, IT SHOULD BOTHER YOU!
I'm telling you that the Oyinbo[/i] that led you to the church has seen the light and has since begun to abandon you. You should be worried. Remember the story of the fly wey follow dead body reach grave, [i]

@molola

@alphazee

What some of us do not and refuse to understand is that any man/woman who goes about trying to find fault with other peoples biliefs is in his/her own right trying to cover up the inadequacies of his/her own belief. christians accept Christ for who He is and in the same vein Moslems accept The Great Prophet for who he is.why judge another man's belief? doing that is a sign of weakness. If you believe you are in the right path, live your life in such a way that others may want to eemulate you. So far based on your comments you have proven that you are not worth emulating. You also need to be careful of what you say and when you say it because you never know what might happen.

I only quoted the Bible - and the Bible alone - to butress my assertions. If you are not comfortable with the verses quoted, why not delete them and publish your own version (Omolola Revised Standard Version) of the Bible, as did King James and the others?

@joshjosh

a joke. quoting 1995 figures.

Joshjosh, this is no joke. I only used 1995 statistics to show you that the sign of the churches' impending death emerged years back and from the very source that brought the religion to you .

Ofcourse if you need more current data, I've come across millions. Try these:

A Chapel Converted int Modern Apartment:
The decline in church attendance over the last several decades has meant that countless churches across the Netherlands have lost their function. They are crumbling, are demolished, or are put to new uses,

source: http://freshome.com/2008/01/22/a-chapel-converted-into-a-modern-apartment/

State of the Canadian Church in 2008:
Church attendance in Canada is declining rapidly. Atheism is rising. Christian moral values are being replaced by secular ones. Canada is no longer a Christian nation, and Canadian Christians will soon be a persecuted minority

source: http://www.canadianchristianity.com/nationalupdates/071206state.html

Statistics are now confirming something common sense already told us; most people stay home on Sundays rather than attending church worship services.

source: http://rebeccabarnes1..com/2006/05/how-to-address-church-attendance.html

The decline in Church attendance recorded over the past 40 years of Sunday Mass
Attendance Censuses has brought out an enormous response from people in opinions, plans
and actions to strengthen our Catholic faith.

source:http://www.maltachurch.org.mt/Press/2007/Falling%20Church%20Attendance.pdf

Episcopal Church’s lost 50,804 members in 2006 while attendance fell by 21,945, the Episcopal Church’s national offices reported last week.

source: http://geoconger./2007/11/10/more-pressure-to-postpone-lambeth-conference-cen-110907-p-6/

I can go on and on

@therationa and joshjosh

therationa:
Well, if I had my way, these churches should be left to die out naturally. They do very little but promote ignorance to poor, simple and sometimes credulous people.

joshjosh:
thank God you will never have your way. the church of God is always marching on and the gates of hell never prevails against it.

Joshjosh, don't be too quick to thank your God on this issue. Without realising it, Therationa has had his way, way back and the momentum is still gathering. Those who exported the Bible to us have already SEEN the LIGHT and are retracing their steps. Today, fewer and fewer people (mainly the aged) in the Developed & More Enlightened Societies attend churches and the tithe seekers are already desperate

Below are just two, out of hundreds of self confessions by church organisations:

1.

Church attendance across denominational lines has suffered a five-year decline and has sunk to its lowest level in two decades, according to research by the Barna Research Group of Glendale, California. "From the early '80s to the early '90s, there has been a definite change," said Bruce Hose, who was director of Sunday school programs for the 1-million-member Alabama Baptist Convention from 1985 to 1995. "Not only has attendance gone down but it is a graying culture, a graying congregation."

Details @http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_n26_v113/ai_18720688

2.

Mount Pleasant church cries for help. Years of decline in attendance has wrecked havoc on programming, finances, and morale. , Mount Pleasant is not alone. 70% of churches in America are plateaued or in decline.

See http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=2751&id=8750

@4him

the Christian doctrine does not apply to you. By all means continue as al'lah's slave.

Does it really apply to you? Check these:

Matthew 10:5-6

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

For Emphasis, read Matthew 15:21-25

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.

22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25 The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26 He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

Considering the fact that you are DEFINITELY not of the lost sheep of Israel, in which category does the last quoted verse above place you?

So isn't it better to be a slave to even SANGO? At least SANGO would dignify you as HUMAN!

@Dafidixone

If I may ask you kunle, Do you beleive the word from Malachi is truely form God?

You have just succeeded in supporting what we have always belived: that your Bible contains so many contradictions, absurdities, injustices, irrationalities and inconsistencies that it definitely could not have come from God    
You are my Man of the Year 2008 .

However, your motivation (to REJECT WITH FIRE, some of the words from your Bible) apparently came from the realisation that your cheap source of income is being threatened, for you sound like those Con Pastors who underdevelop gullible people by collecting 10% of their hard earned gross income in the name of tithe   .

@debosky

lets for one second even forget about Adam's sins. . . .the next question is this: Have you Alphazee sinned or not?

The on only reason I pray at all is to show gratitude to MY GOD for all His blessings on me and to forgive whatever sin I must have committed (knowingly or unknowingly), not because I inherited any sin.

Assuming I agree that Adam, created by God had committed sin on my behalf and the same God (who created Adam, the sinner) had sent someone (Jesus) to die for me because I unjustly inherited Adam's sin, is the equation not balanced? Why then would I need to pray?

@dafidixone

But Christianity is a way of life of Jesus Christ that He (Jesus ) Commanded.
Shallom!

If the above is correct, then there are hardly any Christians in Nigeriangoing by what Jesus had commanded:

[Mat 19:21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        [Mark 10:21] Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

The Pastors or Church leaders are more of CON MEN out milk the populace (both rich and the poor) in the name of the Holy Spirit, in order to build or buy Mansions, Estates, Private Jets and send their children to choice schools at home and abroad.
They are quick to quote the Old Testament (OT) when it comes to tithes and offerings but when it comes to other issues, they'll tell you the OT is no longer valid!

As to the rest of the flock, I'm yet to see those willing to sell their properties and give the proceeds to the poor.

@4him
When you brought up the issue of sickle cell anaemia, I only tried to point out that it is a lesser evil compared to the concept of Original Sin. That the former gives some room for escape, while the latter is a total trap. I didn't justify the creation of sicklers. Hence I wonder your target of attack when you wrote the following:

Thanks to genetics, 50yrs ago there was no warning for people carrying the AS gene.

Who created the people with the AS gene? Me

That means we've had centuries of people dying from sickle cell disease without warning.

Who created and killed the sicklers for centuries? Me

Isn't that unjust too?

Whom do you blame for the INJUSTICE? Me

My dear . . . one of the attributes of the enemy is to deceive and twist scripture.

But as in Adam, ALL have sinned. Total condemnation!! Plenty of warnings! ONE OPTION.

It is up to you.

No. It is up to you! I WASN'T BORN A SINNER, because I believe

Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin. Deut. 24:16

I didn't twist the scripture. I quoted verses as they are in your Bible (although I don't know which VERSION you read)

In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the cross of Christ.'' -An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (London, 1962), W. E. Vine, p. 256.

So the Cross was adapted from pagans!

@4him

This is the fundamental aspect of christianity and i'm not surprised that mus'lims, atheists attack this so virulently. For as long as they REJECT this they will likewise perish!
The origin of sin is very similar to genetics today . . . if your parents are both AS one of their children will be SS . . . now was that the fault of the child . . . infact that is so unjust that I also reject it . . .

Pls note that when 2 people have the sickle cell trait (AS), they are forewarned and don't have to marry or procreate. Therefore they will have no kids with sickle cell anemia (they have an option).

Even when they go ahead procreate, statistically, each child has: a 25 percent chance of inheriting two normal genes; a 50 percent chance of inheriting one normal gene and one abnormal gene; and a 25 percent chance of inheriting two abnormal genes (only 1 in 4 may be a sickler).

But as in Adam, All Have Sinned. Total condemnation!! No warnings, no options

@imhotep

Good question. But you are guilty of this same thing you are complaining about.

Examples ->
1) One Hausa man in your class in not interested in his books. You conclude that ALL Hausas must be poorly educated.
2) One Yoruba man dissapoints you somewhere. You conclude that ALL Yorubas are unreliable.
3) One Igbo man cheats you in the market. You conclude that ALL Igbos must be cheats.

Do u feel me

No I don't feel you at all! In what way am I guilty? You only exposed your own prejudices about the Hausa, Yoruba and Ibo. Why attribute them to me? I'm not as narrow-minded

This biblical verse sounds logical:

Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin. Deut. 24:16

I ACCEPT that. Does that make me a believer?

On the other hand, Christianity emphasises and relies so much on the concept of "Original Sin" :

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,, "Rom. 5:19

"For as in Adam all die, , "1Cor. 15:22 [i][/i]

This is so unjust that I REJECT IT!!

Did I create or could I control Adam? How could I, for no fault of mine be condemned right from birth?

The concept of Original Sin is to merely to justify why Jesus had to be Murdered by being hung on a tree

Does that make me an unbeliever?

@mmomwuba

it rather very ridiculous that we talk the issue of religion like this. I wouldn't want to start taking points ut of earlier threads but the issue is @poster what do u know of the religion u follow, i suppose the answer is going to be "i am an atheist" but how and in what form did u become made, don't forget atheist before you, on their dying bed, confessed Jesus Christ to be Lord. Don't be fooled.

Your religion was founded based on injustice:

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,, "Rom. 5:19
"For as in Adam all die, , "1Cor. 15:22
(Did you create or could you control Adam?)

For no fault of yours, so you were condemned right from birth. So are your children yet unborn

On the other hand, the religion I follow is a just religion: I wasn't born a sinner but if I sin, I'll pay
Your Bible even supports me:
Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin. Deut. 24:16

The concept of Original Sin is to merely to justify why Jesus had to be Murdered by being hung on a tree

@bawomolo

doubt it's still considered a tree after it's carved into a cross.

Alphazee, u should check my contradictions thread for some more ammunition

I will, thanks for the tip

@JeSoul

here's a free tip alphazee:

if you can tell us what the crosses they hung people from were made of, I promise it'll open up a whole new world of insight you previously didn't know about  

  Option A: trees
 Option B: wood
Option C: I refuse to accept trees or wood as the answer for no good reason.

A cross can be made from a tree alright, but does that make the cross a tree?  

Just like Milk can be derived from a cow, or a goat; if I tell you I bought  "milk" will you tell your friends I bought a cow or a goat?

@JeSoul

here's a free tip alphazee:

if you can tell us what the crosses they hung people from were made of, I promise it'll open up a whole new world of insight you previously didn't know about

Option A: trees
Option B: wood
Option C: I refuse to accept trees or wood as the answer for no good reason.

A cross can be made from a tree. Does the make the cross a tree?
Just like "Suya" can be derived from a cow, if I tell you I bought "Suya" will you tell your friends I bought a cow?

@4him

and?

so why use the cross as a symbol of Christianity?

Jesus was actually hung on a tree.

Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree"

I can tell you authoritatively that Jesus was hung on a tree.

Acts 10:39 "whom they slew and hanged on a tree"

Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree"


Acts 13:29 "they took him down from the tree"


1 Peter 2:24 "who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree"

@PLC

The same person quoted some passages in the same bible she does not believe to justify her position.

therationa has already spoken my mind

Now, this is breathtaking. She quote the bible passages not to shows she believes in the bible bUT to demonstrate the contradictions and inconsistencies in the bible.

These are some of my quotes:
To your atatement "but with God, nothing is impossible", I only pointed out where your Bible said otherwise:

.
But your Bible says a tag team made up of God and Judah could not defeat some lowly creatures because those creatures had SUPERIOR FIRE POWER!! JG 1:19

When luvus refered to horus and others as apes,

hi horus aka ape + other apes
has your great grand parents (apes) being able to read at all?

, I only pointed out to him what his own bible said: that horus (and the other apes) are carbon copies of the Biblical God. My quote:

Blasphemy!!! Didn't you know God created horus in HIS OWN IMAGE? Genesis 1:27

But while reacting to my post, I noticed that you tactically dodged my reference to JG 1:19

@PLC

Yea, but with God, nothing is impossible.

But your Bible says a tag team made up of God and Judah could not defeat some lowly creatures because those creatures had SUPERIOR FIRE POWER!! JG 1:19

Please, let us be. You cannot change Christianity.

I don't think the intention here is to change Christianity.
Rather it's to plead with you first to be “open to reason” (James 3:17 RSV); once you become reasonable, we should then “reason together” (Isaiah 1:18) because “he who hates correction will die” (Proverbs 15:10)

@PLC

Yea, but with God, nothing is impossible.

But your Bible says a tag team made up of God and Judah could not defeat some lowly creatures because those creatures had SUPERIOR FIRE POWER!!

@luvus

hi horus aka ape + other apes
has your great grand parents (apes) being able to read at all?

Blasphemy!!! Didn't you know God created horus in HIS OWN IMAGE? Genesis 1:27

@stillwater

"He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read

What really did He read? If He could read, it's logical He could write. Why is there no single word written by Him in the Bible?

@therationa,

Matthew 10:5-6

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

What an Impartial God!

Matthew 15:24
21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

Do the DOGS read these verses of the Bible or are they just content WAGGING their tails while awaiting the elusive Bread RESERVED for the Daughters (and Sons?) of Isreal? Or will the CRUMBS suffice?

Please start BARKING!

@zukkie4eva

Why not ask Him??, im sure He'd answer you, if u really want to know . . .

You all have always defended His messages and teachings. Why not answer this question on HIS befalf?

@therationa

There are two occasions in the bible where Jesus is seemed to imply that his "messages was meant only for the lost tribe of the house of Israel"

"Once Beaten, Twice Shy". So what happens when you're Beaten Twice? As far as I'm concerned, if the above quotation can be remotely traced to Jesus, then He did not come for the rest of us  The closest a "Jesus" came to us in Naija was the "Jesus of Oyingbo"  

people seem to confuse optimistic thinking with prayer. a positive attitude means u believe in YOUR OWN abilities. prayer means putting everything in God's hand. how do u get answers from your prayers??

Why do you think the Colonial masters built us Colleges of Theology while back home they built Colleges of Technology?
So that as they underdeveloped us, we paryed!
They said we should put everything in the hands of God.
Remotely they took over the control and began to manipulate our thinking faculties
Gradually we lost faith in our own abilities

We have prayed for NEPA, So much so that it got transformed to PHCN - The result? Intensive Darkness
We prayed for INEC - What we got was Isi Ewu Iwu Abracadabra
We prayed for PDP - We got a Do-or-Die Election
We prayed against armed robery - They invaded one of the Prayer Supermarkets [b][/b]at Ota recently

Therationa asked a simple question:

Is anyone aware of any instances where amputed limbs have regrown thanks to prayer?

Please stop being evasive. Answer the question or shut up!

toluxa1
Jesus was not born of Joseph. He was born of God through Mary. Thats why the account of Luke points to the family of Mary.

But God [color=#990000]swore[/color] to Joseph that "of the fruit of his loins according to the flesh" he would raise up Christ (Act 2:20)

Halleluyah! Many happy returns

@Millena

Jesus was a Man APPROVED by God (Act 2:22)
Jesus said " I do nothing on my own authority but speak as the Father taught me" (John 8:28)
Jesus said on the Cross, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34)- Was he speaking to himself?

", the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him" (Deut. 4:35)

", for there is none like thee, neither is there any god beside thee" (2 Sam. 7:22);

"I am God and there is none like me" (Isa. 46:9).

Or Don't you agree?

Longman83 wrote:
More plagiarism from our resident Bible scholar:

I have neither claimed being a Bible scholar nor authorship to anything. Check what I stated in my first post, from which others, including this, follow:

Alphazee wrote:
Re: Bible Quiz For All. on: January 29, 2008, 01:44 PM
, , I was researching to answer the quiz when I stumbled on materials that got me confused. Please can any one help!!!!