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Afrojuju2017:
Age of consent across Nigeria is 16 or 17 I believe

18 in the south. Maturity in the north.

Part of the illegal precedents we inherited from years of military dictatorship. That’s why a lot of people think it is cool for a retired CNS to deploy soldiers to obstruct FCT officials from carrying out their official duties. We have a lot to do to entrench our democracy.

moshoodn:
Then, what should befall our brothers residing north of the Niger?

What befell the Team Lead, Lord Yerima?

Clowning!

Penal code is applicable in the north while criminal code is applicable in the south. So, they can marry a girl under 18 legally if she has all the basic features of a lady. Down south, we can’t do the same as it is against the criminal code.

Quest7777:
Not a fan of Ned, but it's not a crime under Sharia.

Another reason Sharia should be abolished in favor of The Nigerian Constitution.
Operating 2 legal codes in the country is a recipe for confusion, aside fueling insecurity by Extremists.

The marriage took place in the south of Nigeria and not the north. It is statutory rape to sleep with a girl under 18 years in any southern state of Nigeria based on the Administration of criminal justice. The sharia law you are talking about is only captured under penal code as applicable only in the northern states of Nigeria.

The above notwithstanding, Ned cannot be held liable even if Regina was 17 when he married her because Regina presented herself as a 21-year-old lady to him. Her voter's card which was obtained in 2018, a year before they met and got married put her age at 21 in 2019. So, Regina is the one that should be held accountable for lying to Ned and not the other way round.

Fintiri has no other option than to defect to APC. ADC is already breathing down his neck in the state with heavyweights like Atiku and Binani while his own PDP is completely lifeless and just waiting to be pronounced dead. So, the only option left for him is to quickly move to APC with all his supporters.

Truths9ja:
Wike don lose the case already. He just disgrace himself yesterday niii.

So tell us, can you build duplexes on a land allocated for parks and recreation?

fergie001:
You want my attention, now you will get it.

Listen and listen attentively, the powers of the C-in-C is not transferrable. Every Minister has administrative and policy control over his/her Ministry, but not operational control. Even the Vice President of Nigeria cannot order that soldier to stand down. Should I repeat myself?

When Jonathan was Acting President, he could not even fire the COAS because whilst you have policy control, the powers of the C-in-C is not transferrable, it vests only and only with the Commander-in-Chief. You can never have 2 C-in-Cs at any time. You dodged the thread where a CSP refused to obey Sanwo-Olu's order, I didn't see you there. You know why? He said he was under orders from the IGP.

Go and read the Armed Forces Act, only the CDS or CNS acting under the instruction of the President can order Lt. Yerima to stand down and they didn't.... You reason the matter yourself, how a CDS decided to ignore. This is because he will have to investigate a lot of things.

Even the Minister of Defence cannot order that soldier to stand down except from the orders of the President. We are talking about the operational control and command of the Army you are talking about a man who disgraced himself. Do you know how proud Lt Yerima's brass are proud of him? If Wike likes, he can go there a million times, he won't be allowed past that spot unless the President so orders ...any other question?

I can see you clearly dodge the main issue of obstructing the FCT officials from carrying out their legal duties only to hammer on command and control. Pray tell, which section of the Armed Forces Act gives the former CNS the power to deploy soldiers to a construction site to obstruct government officials from carrying out their duties? Which law gives the military the power to deploy soldiers to fight over land matter?


Talking about obeying command, below is an extract of the judgement in the recent case of Onunze vs. State (2023) 8 NWLR (Pt. 1885) 61 at 108 SC, the Supreme Court held emphatically, per Ogunwunmiju, JSC, thus:

“My Lords, the obligation to obey the orders of a superior does not include orders that are palpably illegal or manifestly unjust. Every military or police officer swears an oath upon commissioning. The Oath is not to obey all orders, it is to “preserve”, “protect” and defend the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria against all enemies, foreign and domestic. When an officer obeys palpably illegal orders, they become personally liable for their actions and would be expected to face court martial or official sanction for the wrongdoing.”

A soldier cannot hide under the excuse of obeying orders to obey illegal orders. He will be held personally liable. Soldiers swear allegiance to the Constitution and not to any superior. In saner climes, Yerima, the former CNS and all the soldiers on that disgraceful mission would have been arrested by Police officers by now.

Well said by the senior advocate. It’s good that very knowledgeable lawyers are coming out to quickly attack the ignorant views that a lot of people have shared on the matter.

One of my biggest shock yesterday was reading the opinion of Fergie001 on the matter. I pointed out the exact sections of the constitution that the SAN referenced in this piece in my response to fergie but he quickly disappeared from the thread and failed to respond.

It’s just unfortunate that people can’t put aside their emotions when reacting to issues. How can military officers be deployed to obstruct FCT officials from carrying out their duties? How can soldiers be deployed to protect the personal construction site of a retired officer? How can a soldier block the Minister of FCT from accessing land vested in him by law?

What’s the electoral value of Ekweremadu to Tinubu? Some of these funny Twitter people with very senseless opinions.

udemzyudex:
Ministry of work is not own by the a top military officer.

All lands in the FCT are owned by the FCT administration and vested in the minister of the FCT. He’s the only one that can allocate and revoke titles. He can even revoke the title of Aso Rock if there is a public need to do so not to talk about the land of a retired military officer.

Heffalump:
Your last paragraph was quite interesting. That's where you nailed it.

Following the law is what matters. For the FCT minister to come out himself to challenge a perceived land intruder is akin to self help and violation of protocol, denigration of his office. He took the matter personal as if he has a vested interest in the land. Any unholy thing could have happened during the altercation. What stops him from approaching the courts for a redress?

In a matter like this, you allow the institutions to handle the situation and not by resorting to "gragra" the way Wike did. The reason I saw this happened is because we are in a lawless society and Wike himself is a law breaker. That could be the reason why the military officer also deployed his men there to checkmate any threats to his interest.

The law has vested the use of force in the hands of state actors. When a citizen encroaches a land use legally, the law allows the government to use force to take it back and even demolish any illegal structure.

So, what happened yesterday was an act of obstructing officials of the FCT from carrying out their duties. That is expressly illegal. If every citizen hires soldiers to prevent government officials from constructing roads, building hospitals, enforcing tax compliance, mining federal resources, administering polio vaccines, clearing drainages etc, we will end up not having a country but a banana republic.

Government owns the land in question and not the firmer CNS. If the former CNS is not satisfied with the decision of the owner of the land, he is the one to go to court and not government. He has no legal title and no amount of soldiers deployed to the land will give him a legal title.

LagosOrigin:
Is ministry of works owned by the Nigerian army?

Thats a bloody civilian structure that the bulldozer pulled down .

I love how the young 3 star general disgraced Wike and tinubu yesterday .

Millions of Nigerians loved it...
Even the defence headquarters are solidly in support of what the young officer did so who are you?

When the officer is disciplined and the building pulled down, we will be here to listen to your cries.

franugo:
Alright then....if you watch the video, you'll see where the naval officer clearly states that the land documents are in order and have been sent to the minister's office. Laslas na Tinubu go resolve the wahala

Is it the land grabber that will device if an allocation document is in order or the FCT administration? Do you guys even think before posting some of these weird stuff?

phoenix45:
Yes former CNS that laid his life for the country for 35 years is who you are vomiting foam in your mouth just to validate Wike (APC) tiger habit of revoking people's land and reallocating to his crooks

Shame no dey catch una.

Do you know how many years I’ve also put into the service of my country? Is he the only person to have served the country? So, should everyone that has served also deploy soldiers to stop government officials from carrying out their duties? Do you guys understand the gravity of the lawlessness you’re encouraging?

Lifestone:
Are kidding me. Who thought you all these,you should go and know more about stuff you discuss in public space

Unfortunately, a lot of you are poorly educated and that’s why you don’t understand how government works. The military is 100% under the control and authority of the civilian administration. They take orders from government officials and not the other way round.

adams123:
An army officer cannot obey a civilian minister (including the FCT Minister) if the order conflicts with his military superior’s instructions unless that minister is the Minister of Defence or the President (Commander-in-Chief).

The FCT minister is the chief security officer of the FCT. All security arrangements and deployment should be reviewed by him. On no condition should soldiers be deployed to any part of the FCT without his knowledge.

DonEd:
As versed as u are, aren't u aware of the discredit that wike has heaped on himself as regards to land revocation and reallocation to friends and family? Wont you protect ur property knowing fully well that justice won't be served accordingly?

Make una wake up for this country o! This partisan affiliation is too much.

Resorting to illegal self help is not how to protect yourself. You protect yourself using legal avenues. The land in question will be revoked and there is absolutely nothing the former CNS will do about it.

franugo:
Dey speak English, Wike should go to court. He's a lawless man who only obeys court orders when it pleases him

You can be rest assured that bulldozer will pull down that structure and the former CNS will either go home to cry or go to court. This is a battle he can’t win. El-Rufai as FCT minister ordered the demolition of the headquarters of Ministry of works and even the personal house of the then PDP national chairman. So, who is a former CNS that thinks he’s above the law?

Sorry but we are no longer under a military dictatorship. In a democracy, the military is subjected to civilian control.

Nobody has the power to deploy soldiers for an internal operation without the approval of Mr. President. So, it is illegal to deploy soldiers to go and be protecting a private land of a retired soldier.

Again, it is illegal for anybody to obstruct FCT officials from carrying out their legitimate duties. If we allow just anybody to use access to military boys to stop government officials from doing their jobs, then we are creating a banana republic.

Finally, all lands in the FCT are vested in the Minister of the FCT. He has the power to allocate and cancel the allocation. If the former CNS is dissatisfied with the decision of the FCT minister, he should approach the court and not resort to self help. Obstructing FCT officials including preventing the minister from accessing the land in such a rude and unprofessional manner is unacceptable. Those soldiers should be made to face disciplinary action immediately.

Jagabanfromcali:
Fake rubbish Ai, Prof Sachs never gave this interview, it is part of the afon misinformation, yes we know and u can ban me but just to let you know that we know the game u playing

It is not AI. It is an authentic and verifiable video posted on YouTube.

I’m not sure Buratai will be so irresponsible to say something like this.

AMINDA:
Lol. He's welcome to try. He's merely using his position to settle an old score by revoking a title of an Admiral that has served this country at the highest level. Did you notice Wike spoke to the CDS on phone but nothing changed? There are levels to this thing o. The military is an hierarchy and is fully regimental.

Why do some of you keep taking irresponsible and dangerous position on national issues? Is everything about politics to you? Tomorrow when a private soldier molest Atiku, you will come here and cry about it.

Abuja is governed by the FCT minister irrespective of who he is. When FCT officials go out on official duty, no one has the power to obstruct them from carrying out their official duties. The military are under the absolute authority of the civilian administration in a democracy. They take order from the civil administration.

Again, on no condition should soldiers be deployed to guide a private property of a retired soldier not to talk of using them to obstruct official government duties. It is only the president that can deploy the military in such manner. Whoever deployed those boys there will be fished out and disciplined.

You see that land, it is gone forever. Even if the former CNS has a valid title, it will be revoked. And you see those soldiers, they will face disciplinary action for professional misconduct.

Nextjs:
We are talking of people killed in hundreds.

Villages burnt down

And trump said he wants to send airplane to bomb the terrorist.

And u guyd are protesting in northern Nigeria

Listen to the damn video. Trump doesn’t care about Nigerian Christians or Muslims. He’s simply using the insecurity as a pretense to blackmail FG into accepting some of the request America is making.

Anither563:
Prof. Sachs is a highly respected intellectual and economist. I look forward to hearing the views of others on his perspectives.

The NL authority won’t put this on front page.

Leonardo4:
The minister can just go about accessing private land because he is a minister. He has no right. If he had presented a court order then he should have presented it. You can't go to someone's private property with police because u are minister.

Who told you the military officer owns the land? The FCT is responsible for allocating land and no one else. If FCT officials say the guy has no authentic allocation paper, then that’s final. They own the land. Nobody has the power to use the military to stop officials of the Federal Capital Territory Administration from carrying out their legitimate duties. In fact, those naval boys should be arrested and prosecuted immediately.

fergie001:
Military Na beans?
That place is not funny @ all. It takes some guts to be there!

Forgive De Joe, we know him already, we really do not take him serious over here.

Does the CFRN recognise a Minister of the FCT as Governor?
Does he have a House of Assembly?
Is he elected by the people?

You are wrong Sir!

Section 299. The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly -

(a) all the legislative powers, the executive powers and the judicial powers vested in the House of Assembly, the Governor of a State and in the courts of a State shall, respectively, vest in the National Assembly, the President of the Federation and in the courts which by virtue of the foregoing provisions are courts established for the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja;


Section 302. The President may, in exercise of the powers conferred upon him by section 147 of this Constitution, appoint for the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja a Minister who shall exercise such powers and perform such functions as may be delegated to him by the President, from time to time.

press9jatv:
he's never a governor here but a federal government minister. I hope you know there's state fct minister too.

The president is the elected governor of FCT and he has vested the power of the governor in the minister of the FCT.

press9jatv:
Omo so Wike is constituted authority? 🙄🙄🙄

He’s the governor of Abuja and all land in the FCT is vested in him. When he gives an instruction over a land, every Abuja resident should obey.

press9jatv:
Omo werey lafi wo werey. The officer no carry last.

Who gave them the land in the first place? Those military officers simply grabbed the lands and used military force to maintain ownership. Wike is here for all of them land grabbers.

He should be disciplined immediately for professional misconduct. His behavior was completely disgraceful and unacceptable. In a democracy, the military take orders from the civilian government and not the other way round.

The land in question is vested in the minister and no one else. That place is not a military barrack. It is a land that is governed by civil authority. Immediately the FCT minister ordered him out of the place, he has no reason not to comply. Preventing the FCT minister from accessing the land is the height of irresponsibility. It should never happen again.