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jesusjnr:
Hi Amy!

I know you've seen somethings that has made you have a rethink concerning me, but I don't think you still fully grasp why I have gone the extra mile for you in this respect?

Maybe something someone said concerning this supposed tussle would make you better grasp why.

For the person likened this supposed tussle to that of two people fighting for a wife, Amy.

And my response was "no be small thing oh, for Amy na hot cake".

So this is just a testimony to your quality as I don't believe people would want to fight so hard over something that doesn't have much value.

So do not take this wrongly for I would hardly go to this extent for many Christians here, but something you did made me know you were different, which you've or course confirmed, therefore I thought it would be unfair for you not to be a part of what God was doing with me here in Nairaland.

So i'm sorry for calling you an intruder, please Amy forgive me, but that was because I was really hurt by that agreement because it came from you.

A least you can see why I refused to let go of you without a fight, because of the kind of heart you have Amy.

So God bless you too.

Infact, I'm just short of words here. jesusjnr please what is the fight all about and who is actually fighting with you? I'm not even worth fighting over as I'm not an angel, I'm full of my own faults. Whatever qualities you think I possess is not something that others do not have.
Let's assume I disapprove of you, does it mean God has disapproved you? You are serving God not man, so strive to be approved by him, not me. Okay?
please let's focus on what we are here for, to win souls for God, and not to fight for anyone's attention.

Zither:
Really? I have made my explanation quite lucid to any reader.

Zither you don't really need to engage these atheists in argument because its mostly a waste of time. Even when you answer their questions, they will twist it the other way round. It's just God that can arrest them.

jesusjnr:
See everything you say to me is useless unless you take back that agreement.

Because you knew what he said and you said you agreed with him so don't worry about me please until you're ready to do that.

For I can not be walking with someone who thinks that all I say is not worth the audience... just because of one thread, amy, one thread.

OK i'm going to give it to you because you've made some conscious effort to repair things, but don't just rule everything about me out just because of one thread again, you hear?

You know I like good people and that why I'd been making all the effort I could to at least make you see reason.

So I hear you sis, I hear you.

I'm only replying you because of the kind of heart I have and as a Christian that I am. I tried ignoring this message but I couldn't. How could you have told me that I had no right to intrude in the matter, whereas it was because of me you reopened that thread and called my attention to it, and now you are telling me I dont have the right to intrude in the matter as if I'm an outsider to it.
And you still said everything I say to you is useless until I take back my agreement.
What is the much ado about taking back agreement and not taking back agreement? If I accept you verbally without really accepting you in my heart, will you know? Or will it benefit you anything? If your only problem now is just for me to say that I don't agree with what Zither told me about you, then you don't have a problem, because like I said before, I know better now than to be the judge of any man's work. God is the Judge and He knows those that are truly His and those that are not, so I will allow Him do His work as the Judge.
And I don't need to bear any grudge against you because we are still brethren and friends. God bless you

TheRevivalist:
Wonderful one . may God increase His Anointing upon your Life in Jesus name amen.

Amen! Thanks

Zither:
True words. The majority of folks who are guilty of this also usually mention changing times and fashion as justification for their immodest appearance to the fellowship of believers. They willfully forget that the Word of God is unchanging, it is eternal. Passage of time can never alter the message in God's Word. Sadly, there are churches or houses of God that have compromised this standard in exchange for increased membership. Nevertheless, true Christians are known by their actions and by the modesty of their dressing because our dressing either glorifies God or glorifies the devil. Thanks for being a reminder of the timeless message of the Word of God. God bless you, Amyblessed.

You know many have really misquoted this verse of the Bible and used it as a cloak to satisfy their flesh of the hunger of indecent dressing, and I just decided to say something on it. Thanks for your comment and God bless you too.

Zither:
Wise words, Amyblessed. If you have noticed I have not returned his verbal attacks in kind and will not. He displays his calibre of maturity to the world that leaves much to be desired. I have no grouse with him even if his hyperactive imagination has led him to believe I do. Anyway, thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it much.

You are welcome. Let's act like mature Christians that we are and let bygone be bygone. Take care and God bless you.

jesusjnr:
Amyblessed please you don't have any right to intrude in this matter.

For the so-called unbelievers were watching when he came to you and told you that my sayings were not worth the audience of any christian... and you said you couldn't agree any less. Imagine that?

So why are you giving any audience to any thing i say when you have not taken back that your agreement?

Wow! I don't have any right to intrude in this matter because I have not taken back my agreement? And what will my taking back my agreement add to your life and ministry? Am I God that should approve you? That agreement was made as a result of my own negative thought then. But I know better now than to judge anyone. Everybody is answerable to God, not man.
I'm sorry for intruding into your thread, forgive me.

jesusjnr:
Lol! I thought you had repented?

Nah!

I saw your reaction when someone here touched something precious to you(Anas09), so I expect you to understand that when you come for Michelle who has just started the journey of faith, you came for me, and I wasn't going to hold back one single bit.

Because it's like you're taking advantage of the fact that she was yet tender and hadn't matured spiritually yet.

I mean imagine if she goes astray because of you, do you know what God would do to you?

But you have shown the measure of a man to accept that you were wrong, and that shows me that you were not as bad as I said after all, so at least that I'd admit.

I think you ought to give me some credit for going to the extent I did to prick your conscience, and hence making you see where you went wrong, because I don't think you would have seen the need to do this.

As for my those my provocative threads which brought about these manner of results they remain the same, why change something that proven itself so effective?

In fact brace yourself for even more fire.

But all in all, let's realize that we can disagree but that doesn't mean that it must lead to acrimony.

Zither and jesusjnr. Please I think we should end all these accusations and counter accusations. The unbelievers are watching, and as the Bible says, we are a living epistle, they read our character just like you read the Bible.
Let no one seek anyone's approval. If you are truly a Christian and you are sure you are working for God, forget about man's approval of you but instead seek to be approved of God. Once you are approved of Him, forget about anybody's approval because your reward is not tied to any man's approval, but God's.
Only God knows those that are truly His, and He's the one to judge, not man. So let's stop judging one another here. Let's act like the brethren we are.
If any of us writes anything that is inconsistent with the Word of God, and you point it out and he or she refuses to be corrected. That is no longer your business. But that should not make us enemies, or make us taint or destroy each other's image, otherwise, what are we teaching the world watching us?

Zither:
Jesusjnr

Trying to make yourself out to be righteous by smearing my name at every opportunity you get will never solve the problem of the inconsistency of your teachings with the Word of God. You have not relented in villifying me because I stated an obvious truth, one that any Christian with sufficient knowledge of the Word of God would detect without help from anyone. The truth of my opinion has become a source of perennial bitterness in you leading to your renewed effort to malign my name by quoting my comments which have absolutely nothing to do with the hocus-pocus you presented as evidence as regards the motive behind my comments. If you invested some of the effort you have expended in traducing me to study the Scriptures diligently you wouldn't find yourself in a desperate need for attention, and approval of your heresies.

Zither and jesusjnr. Please I think we should end all these accusations and counter accusations. The unbelievers are watching, and as the Bible says, we are a living epistle, they read our character just like you read the Bible.
Let no one seek anyone's approval. If you are truly a Christian and you are sure you are working for God, forget about man's approval of you but instead seek to be approved of God. Once you are approved of Him, forget about anybody's approval because your reward is not tied to any man's approval, but God's.
Only God knows those that are truly His, and He's the one to judge, not man. So let's stop judging one another here. Let's act like the brethren we are.
If any of us writes anything that is inconsistent with the Word of God, and you point it out and he or she refuses to be corrected. That is no longer your business. But that should not make us enemies, or make us taint or destroy each other's image, otherwise, what are we teaching the world watching us?

Zither:
That is because God ordained that man should walk in faith. As it is written, the just shall live by faith. Faith doesn't wait to see before it believes but it is the evidence that the unseen is a reality. The question is why faith? Why don't the angels have the benefit of faith while we do?

1. Without faith it is impossible to please God or have any relationship with Him

2. Through faith in Christ we are given the power to become sons and daughters of God

3. By faith we receive and walk in God's righteousness

4. We receive forgiveness of sins and answers to prayers

5. We receive justification by faith and

6. We are saved by faith

There are other reasons why faith is important but these should suffice.

If you had been created to see God and dwell in His Presence as the angels do then faith no longer applies to you. The Devil had no excuse to sin because he had no tempter. He sinned willfully. He willfully made the choice to rebel knowing the consequences, and also knowing that he would never be forgiven. Faith only applies to you when you are still alive. It ceases to apply to you when you die as there is no repentance in the grave. At that moment, the spiritual world, the angels, the devil, God has become a reality to you come to know through death, rather than through faith.

God wants you to make the choice through faith before you actually see the reality itself in death.

You have really said all that needs to be said about this. God bless you

LordReed:
So the god made me to operate by faith but put me in a world in which nothing operates by faith?

Most of everything we do is by faith. If you dont have the faith that you will come back when you are going out, you wont tell people you are coming back, or make arrangement of what you will do when you come back. Faith is that believe that you will come back. Likewise when you sleep, you have the faith that you will wake up, etc. Now, that is the faith God wants us to approach Him with, though you haven't seen Him, but you believe He exists. And He will manifest Himself to you.
God manifests Himself to people in different ways, the way He manifested Himself to me may not be the way He will manifest Himself to you.

LordReed:
Very well, here's another question: if the devil who supposedly has seen the god rebelled why are we not afforded the same courtesy to see the god before we decide whether to believe or not? This tale of the devil's rebellion indicates that seeing the god does nothing to affect the exercise of free will. Why does the devil supposedly have more evidence for the existence of god than we do?

Zither has already done justice to your question, but to add to it, the devil has more evidence of God's existence because he has been with him before he was thrown down. He's actually laughing at those that say there's no God because he has succeeded in deceiving them. And when they leave this world and find out there's God, it would have been too late to believe.
We are not meant to see God physically before we know He exists. We are meant to believe in His existence by faith, and faith is believing that what you have not yet seen exists. If we are to see God before we know He exists, then we would have left this world because no man sees God and live. We only experience Him in our spirit when we yield our lives to Him.

UceeGod:
God bless you for this post. Modern day congregations allow indecent dressing because they think God only views our hearts and not appearance, forgetting that we are created to glorify God in all we do. Christians nowadays make Jesus their Saviour and not the Lord of their lives. If your appearance doesn't glorify God, then you're living for yourself not for God.

That's just it. Thanks and God bless you too

Truly God does not look at the outward appearance of a man, what He really looks at is the state of the heart. That is what endears Him to any man. But what appearance are we really looking at here? Is it the appearance of how one dresses which is the popular interpretation of the above phrase? Surely not. God told Samuel "...Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature...for man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart" (1 Sam 16:7).
When Samuel saw Eliab, Jesse's first son, he wanted to anoint him as king because of his physical qualities; how huge and handsome he was. But God made him understood that in choosing someone for anything, He does not look at how handsome, beautiful or ugly, how tall or short, how huge or thin, how poor or rich, how educated or uneducated a person is, but He looks at the heart of such a person. He wasn't referring to how Eliab was dressed.
But today, the above verse has been used as an excuse by Christians to dress indecently even in the church, and if you say anything, they will tell you that God doesn't look at the appearance but the heart. But is the heart of such an indecently dressed person pure in the first place? Certainly not. Of course he or she had something negative in mind for dressing that way.
The popular saying that how you are dressed is how you will be addressed also applies to God, He cant see you dressed as a prostitute and call you a saint. And you cant claim your heart is pure because the thoughts of our hearts manifest both in our words and actions, including dressing. However, covering your whole body does not make you a Christian if you don't live the life God expects from you as a Christian.

LordReed:
How is a question argument? Let me restate my question in another way since you didn't answer it, did the devil have free will or it was acting as an agent of god in heaven where it rebelled?

Well, if the devil didn't have free will, there would have been no possibility of him rebelling against God. Rebellion comes out of free will. Since there was obedience and rebellion, that means he had the right to choose either to obey God or to rebel against him. So he actually had a choice and he chose to rebel.

TheRevivalist:
Thanks for acknowledging that brother

It's actually a sister

jesusjnr:
Amyblessed sorry but i thought you needed to see this:



This was a product of the my saying and here is Zither's saying:



But here is Zither who told you that nothing I say is worthy of the audience of any christian following the Word of God, contradicting his own saying, and exercising his toothless and savorless spiritual prowess with respect to a product of my saying that he say was not worthy of the audience of any christian here... to which you agreed:







But then he suddenly realizes that i was involved in this, and that this was a result of my sayings which he had hitherto condemned, and here was the comment he made to someone who just converted from atheism to Christ only last month:



Sorry for bugging but I just felt I had to this so that you would know the kind of people you are truly dealing with, but this is the last time I would bother you concerning this.

Well, I'm really short of words here, I must confess. jesusjnr, one thing you have to realize is that I'm not saying you are not a Christian or that you are not genuine. I followed your thread for sometime, and you always made sense, but all of a sudden, you made a thread that was completely different from what the Bible teaches. This the the thread. www-nairaland-com.0.freebasics.com/5014147/allahu-akbar-now-joined-list?iorg_service_id_internal=1646953538912597">https://https-www-nairaland-com.0.freebasics.com/5014147/allahu-akbar-now-joined-list?iorg_service_id_internal=1646953538912597%3BAfpo70KebU9Pvmds
After reading it, I started thinking within me, can a real Christian actually say this kind of thing? I was still pondering on it in my heart when I came online and saw Zither's comment on my thread about you. That collaborated what I was thinking in my heart. I went to that very thread and confronted you with bible passages that contradicts your position, but you did not take note of those scriptures, instead you argued the more, based on what you said was revealed to you. And I was like, "what other prove do I need, since he doesn't even recognize the scriptures I quoted which is the view of any true Christian". That made me had a second thought about you. But it's not as if I have written you off, because I can still see some sense in your threads. Am not actually endorsing or rejecting anybody because God is the only one that knows those who are truly His, and those that are not.
But I cannot see any teaching that is against the word of God and accept it because the person involved is a true Christian. Once it's not the word of God, then it's not, no matter who it is coming from. Remain blessed bro.

LordReed:
Ok so the devil was not a pencil in the hand of the creator or it was a pencil turninoninown?

Sorry, I'm not in for further argument on this. If you haven't gotten anything from our previous answers, then you wont get it even if I answer your question.

1Sharon:
Why calling humans tools? Aren't we children of god again?

Have you ever used anything to illustrate something before? what about parables, you haven't heard of it? Please this is an illustration. God bless you

great664:
Everyone ended up absolving the almighty (Artist) from any blame of the wrong drawing. He alone knowest all but still went ahead to create his greatest adversary (the satan) to destroy the beautiful things he made and then turn around to punish innocent human like us and threaten us with evalasating fire if we don't follow his path, I don't think the satan or devil ever threaten anyone to follow him, People do willingly, so if i may ask who has giving FREE WILL

God never created the devil as devil, satan was an angel in heaven, it was only due to his pride and rebellion to God's authority that he was thrown out of heaven.
Now he decided to deceive the man that God created to also rebel against God as he did. Now hell was originally prepared for the devil and his agents, not for human beings. And God gave man choice to either follow Him or follow the devil.
And He told us where each road will end, if you decide to follow God, you are heading for a life that will never end with God in heaven. And if you decide to follow the devil, you are on the other hand heading to a life that will never end in the place prepared for the devil, and that is hell.
It's very simple, God doesn't threaten anyone to follow Him. He just set two options before you, and told you the consequence of each one you choose. Its left for you to choose between the two, between God and the devil, between life and death. That is where the FREE WILL comes in.

JohnieDaniels:
I am an atheist, and therefore I consider it wrong to praise something non-existent for the work that you did yourself. For all books, songs, paintings, etc. you need to thank their creators, not fictional characters. Anyway, I don’t like all these religious topics, I like to read normal books. For example, Stendhal's novel "Red and Black". I bought it on the site https://kisslibrary.net, they have good prices, fast delivery and excellent quality.

Since you are an Atheist, you should have done well to keep off this thread, it's not meant for you but for those that know they have a Creator which is God.

MrPRevailer:
Why should we not use the Bible as reference? When you want to write educated article are science research journals not cited? If not, the article will be non-credible.
This is a spiritual matter. And the Bible is the highest source for spiritual matters. So I'd say go and read the Bible. Because science doesn't have the slightest answer to this your question. Niether do we, except what is learnt from the apocrypha books, of which Bible is the most credible.

*The miracles Jesus performed in Bible are real and still happen today (check my recent posts)
* All the historical regions and locations the biblical characters passed are still existent today with lots of biblical footprints/evidences, despite ungodly attempts to erase them all. Unlike some books mentioning non-existent islands such as Atlantis that only tickles your fancy.
*Satanists, occultists, idolaterers carry out a lot of human rituals, which is a physical telling sign that their master is evil. You cannot see such in Christendom.
In the Bible God told Israel, don't join yourself to people of baal who offer human sacrifices. Moreover, armrobbers, ritualists get powers from spiritist doctors (who serve idols/demons) to fortify them selves while they waste human lives among other evil deeds.

And plenty more.

Thank You MrPRevailer, nice one

jesusjnr:
First of, I think I think it's very wrong to blame Satan for any wrong or bad thing that has happened to man, for Satan would never have been able to have inflicted any damage on man without man's consent or approval.

Therefore I absolutely put all blame on man for everything wrong that happens or had happened to him, for no one would have been able to cause any damage or harm to him without his approval.

And this mindset is one that defines my orientation, for I believe that i'm absolutely responsible for every action I take and decision I make, and nobody else, not even the devil.

For though he may have played a role, or even the woman, or the serpent, as it was in the beginning, but the bulk stops with me, as if I say no, it is no!

Then next up is the illustration of the pencil, and the artist, as man and his creator, which I don't think completely does justice to the relationship that both share, for something left out the illustration is man's freewill or the ability to make choices of his own as a living soul.

So i think that maybe adding some breath of life to the pencil, to make it a living pencil would do more justice to the scenario, as the living pencil can decide if it want to follow the direction to which the artist is taking it or not, as man is with respect to his Creator.

So in that respect the artist is not responsible for all the pictures that is drawn by the living pencil, but He is only responsible for the picture to the extent to which the living pencil is willing to allow Him draw with it whatsoever He desires.

Nice answer jesusjnr!

Zither:
Great664

I shall begin by stating the fact that God created both light and darkness. He created good and evil. The question is why would He do that knowing the extent of destruction evil would perpetuate on His creation? The answer is simple — God is a JUST God — and He gives everyone the RIGHT to choose what they want to do with their lives. He hates evil but being a just God He lets evil co-exist with good for a period of time. In the end, no one will accuse Him of denying them the right to choose whether to serve Him or not.

He knew He must give each one of us a choice to make knowing the choices we would make.

He, as the Great Artist, knows the individual purpose He designed for each life on earth, and works to achieve them only in partnership and agreement with us. When the drawing is beautiful it is because we let God use us for what He created us to fulfill. When the drawing is anything but beautiful it is because we have exercised our will to follow the path we want, and God being a just God lets us have our way....to think we know the territory better than the One who created the territory is completely ridiculous.

Thanks for coming to my rescue first, and you all did justice to the question.

great664:
Nice write-up at the beginning though I didn't finish it before some questions start pumping into my mind....

Since we are nothing but just pencils that means all the good deeds are God's doing?

So why evil and wrong acts are now being attributed to the devil/Satan?

Somehow it feels we are the one judging Satan and God and we (believers) are very impartial in so doing.


Our mind has been made up that bad equals Satan and Good equals God, so they will not be anyway we can judge partially...

But if we are nothing but pencil in God's hand (artist) both wrong and right drawing should be the artist fault and not shifting the blames when the drawing goes wrong and accepting praises when it goes right...

I need clarification please but rationally don't use Bible reference as evidence as it will always support one party GOD.

Let's discuss

Cc:
Amyblessed
Jesusjnr
Zither
dollytino4real

Hahn, CAPSLOCKED,
HopefulLandlord,
JujuSugar, IAmSabrina,
1Sharon,
HellVictorinho, MrPRevailer

If I mentioned you wrongly, sorry I just copied it from a post, I am on the verge of learning.

Wow? we have all answered well. From Zither, to jesusjnr, to MrPRevailer. Your answers are all superb. Thank you so much.
To go further in answering your question, the truth is that NOT EVERYONE is a pencil in the hand of God. The Bible said that to whom you yield yourself, he's your master.
Those that are really pencils in the hand of the Creator are those that have really yielded their lives to Him, he uses them to do whatever He wants to do, as God cannot come down by Himself and do anything, He has to use those that are His own.
On the other hand, anyone that has not yet given or surrendered his or her life to Jesus is a tool in the hand of the devil. That person can do any kind of evil you can think of. In fact, the devil uses such a person to work just like God uses His own children to work.
You should know that there are people that have dedicated their lives to the devil, and so he uses them to perpetrate evil just like God uses his children to do good.
So, my post is actually directed at those who have yielded their lives to Christ and are being used by Him to heal, deliver people and do miracles since He Himself cannot come down and do it. I'm only telling us that whatever God does with any of us His children, all the glory and praise should be returned to Him and not to we the tool He uses.
Hope you got my explanation?

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I didnt even know what was going on on my thread, have been busy since morning I will get back. thanks

Zither:
Illustrations to accompany the topic...

Very well illustrated. Thank you so much

Zither:
You're welcome but I think your message far outweighs any importance my illustration may achieve in impact. In truth, we drink from each other's cup of insight to our delight but I relish the significance of your posts. Always a pleasure.

May God increase His wisdom in us all, and help us to be doer of His word. Remain blessed

Zither:
It is like sweeping dirt under the carpet thinking it has been taken care of where the wise thing to do is to dispose of it in the trash bin. We think it is safely hidden under the carpet but dirt cannot remain hidden for long; it inevitably becomes exposed, giving away its unsightly presence and offensive odour. This is an analogy of anyone who tries to hide their sins while masquerading as saint where the wise action they should have taken is ask God for forgiveness and sincerely repent of their errors. The person's so-called carefully hidden tracks of sins are exposed to the sun. God sees all things. Nothing is hidden from Him.

Thanks, Amyblessed, for the wonderful write-ups. Each helps me to explore a truth further and rewards me underlying gems of truth just waiting to be discovered. Stay blessed always.

Thanks Zither. Your response always illustrates the points better that I end up learning from it too.

jesusjnr:
Because I think you are my Master's sheep, and hence that you deserve to be a part of it and not view it as an outsider.

So even though you disagree with some of the things that I say, do not use that to disqualify me, for I assure you that you'd eventually regret it, and for me you don't deserve to be a part of all those who would.

You're different from them Amy, that's the only reason why you'd endorse my "God is like a little child" thread when most Christians here denounced it.

So that's why.

Point of correction, Please I'm God's sheep, not the sheep of any other. And please dont tell me I will regret it if I disqualify you or whatever. Why will I have a reason to regret anything when I know am standing on the word of God. Dont I have the right to reject any teaching I can see clearly that it's not what the Bible teaches?
That I liked your thread, 'God is like a little child', I didnt really avert my mind to the topic. I read through it and saw what you meant, which is that we need to be like a little child in order to enter the kingdom of God, which is what the bible teaches.
It was actually the content of your thread that I liked, not really the topic which I know is the reason why people reacted negatively to that thread.

jesusjnr:
See Amy do you know why I fighting hard to make you a part of what God's doing with me here on nairaland?

Really? I dont know o, tell me.