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KingEbukasBlog:
God knew about Satan's aberration and the rebellion of Satan's followers .



God is prescient - has the ability to foretell future events . That includes the consequence of freewill whether good or bad . So the fruit he created allows man to express his ability to choose - a choice to eat the fruit or not .

Don't take it like God ordained man to fall ,he just had foreknowledge of it .



God does not tempt man to sin and man should not tempt God

Yep, He had foreknowledge of it, but He didnt decree their Fall.
Choice and control on the part of man.

Ranchhoddas:
I'm doing good. I see you are causing headache as usual for the enemies of Christ.

Nooo. Today i no cause no headach oo. I dey behave myself today. I want ban.

Ranchhoddas:
Why are you always told to go back to romanceland whenever you appear here, are you like the queen of romance section or something?

Hey, how are you doing?

lexiconkabir:
No i aint running away, i have dismantled and crushed all your lame claims, so you have resorted to cussing out, i won't cuss you out, but i will strike out, savvy?

Yeap, a true Muslim indeed, even when u make no sense, you still pad youraelf in the back and say "I have dismantled and crushed all your lame claims" Doesnt it occure to you that an observer shd be the one to give you that credit?

I watch Zakir Naik and i see the same trend. Muslims giving themselves credit for their senselessness.

kilo4sure:
Take Saul as an example, God put Saul as king, Saul misbehaved and then he found David. Saul was replaced with David. The parable of Jesus in which many were selected to come to a feast and they refused, with others taking their place is another example.

Yes sir, even Moses was replaced with Joshua.

4everGod:
It has already been explained here



Mathew 22 vs 14 comes to mind.

Many are called but few are chosen....The chosen are the predestined while the called are those with the freewill to say yes or no. Its simple really.

Oh my God... You know i never saw this scripture dis way? Yea, its true

kilo4sure:
The summary is that some have been chosen as elects to do the work of God, this does not make them special, but it means much is required of them, not all are equal. God cannot call everybody but God wants everybody to come to him. The reason God wants men to continually seek after righteousness is this... If we do the right things even without knowing God or Jesus, just like Cornelius we continually pull ourselves to the spirit of God who unknown to us, begins to minister to our hearts and draws us to Jesus. We then receive the Holy spirit to do the work of God.
However some may not go through this process before they believe, some may even believe for selfish reasons, they all have their freewill to do that, but those who have been chosen by God or predestined especially during the time of Jesus among the Jews he preached to, did not just believe because of freewill only, but because they have been called out. Predestination focuses on the elect. God himself taught these people to believe, because they have work to do.However there are some who were not called, but who just beleive, God also has his way of using these people. So either away the right belief even from our freewill is not an illusion, but no one could have truly believed so as to do mighty works e.g the apostles, Cornelius, Paul, etc without having been called out by God from the foundation of the world. I believe that God has a way of drawing the world to Jesus, but some have been called out ahead to do serious work.

Okay, i got a very serious and important point here
"Predestination focuses on the elect for specific assignments. But is it poasible for the elect to reject that calling? Can the elect exercise their freewill and reject the mandate?

Uyi168:
The concept of predestination invalidates the concept of freewill wch the the main-stream christianity preaches...or is it possible for one to be predestined and stil have freewill?

What if am predestined to care for the homeless, but i know the scriptures well, and base on that indecided to open a church and be a pastor instead.

God knows me and has set me to do something, but i decide not tondo that, Will God force me? No

God= Predestination=Help for the helpless.

Me= Choice/Freewill= Preacher.

lexiconkabir:
Go away girl

I heard the first time

0ubenji:
lolz...the issue is not in their rejection of the moni...but the hypocritical reasons they gave for their choice.

Na because dey pipu wey bring the money na God haters nah. Abeg keep ya money. Or better still, there are athiests charitable organizations, take the money there.
Here is a church.

kilo4sure:
In my opinion, both predestination and freewill are biblical. Choosing either extremes would be a mistake. However it seems to me that your question is on how both concepts balance each other in the scheme of things.
1) lf predestination is true, then we were already chosen by God to be Christians no matter what we do, then ultimately how is believing in Christ of our own choosing? And why are we told to believe in him as though we had a choice in the matter?
2) lf we are chosen then the others are ultimately damned due to no fault of theirs, then why does God yet blame us and how is this fair?
To answer these questions, the Calvinists in Europe exalted predestination above our freewill almost neglecting the biblical passages that indicate freewill. If l am to answer these questions however from my own point of view, l would say..
1)Predestination is indeed true and biblical, and indeed some are chosen by God in the scheme of things, just like Israel was chosen. But again to be chosen means you have a lot of work to do. The issue is every human by virtue of nature deserve to die and not rise again. God is in a process of changing this order of things and defying nature, so at some point in time he alters history and the scheme of things by choosing some to do his work. He calls them however to work with him in transforming the world (your will be done on earth as it is in heaven). This does not automatically mean others are damned as the strict Calvinists believe, but it is the will of God that all men be saved. How he does this is past finding out, and seems to be a slow methodical process from human point of view.
2) There is a form of freewill for all to believe but ultimately no one can believe( in order to do the works of God as elects) if God does not choose to teach him to believe. God himself who made all men, knows what he has made them for, he knows why he may not draw a man to Jesus in this age, for his ways are past finding out, however we must continue to preach for we do not know whom God wants to add to the church.
However inspite of all these, there is freewill to do right and wrong because in my view, God does not micromanage the world, he knows the end from the beginning but he does not control our choices to do right and wrong, though he could make good use of even the wrong choices for his purpose. Choosing to do evil continually thwarts the plan of God to save us and even leads to destruction, hence we are constantly admonished to choose righteousness.

Very succinct.

RESPONSIBILITY AND CHOICE is all that there is.

GOD KNOWS THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL NEVER ACCEPT HIM, BUT HE DID NOT DECREE THAT they SHOULD not ACCEPT HIM.

its the POWER OF CHOICE. The door ia opened to all. Enter if you may.

E.g I discovered i couldnt keep a coperate job for more than a year. For no reason, i'll be told to go. Funny enoufh, i dont even apply for these jobs, i just get a phone call to go take my CV somewhere and am getting the job. But after one year exactly, am told my services are no longer needed. This happened three times, then i remebered some yrs back i made a vow to God.

In my deaperation, i told God, If he will save my leg from amputation, i will give him that leg to use as he wishes, whereever he wantes me to be, i will go. And that i wont marry, wont raise any Children just to concentrate in his work. (DESPERATION OF A DYING GIRL)

He saved me, the doctors till today can't understand how i can use the leg to walk. But after that, i went back to Uni and forgot my Vow.

Immidiately after school, i (didn't serve), i got exempted, i got a job straight and life began.
When i started loosing the Jobs, I asked the Holy Spirit why. These people are not relieving me because am not good at what am doing,(because i am). He said "You made a Vow, This is not where you shd be" then i remembered i told God i would be a missionary.

I got ready to go to Jos for Missionary traning, but i sought counsel first from a Pastor who told me, you dont serve God as you see fit, ask him what he wants you to do.
For three days, i went to a Prayer Camp, day and night i cried out to God. "What do you want from me?" Show me, tell me. Then He did. He gave a vision of exactly what i shd do, where i shd do it.
Still a missionary Job, but i didn't need to go for any Missionary traning.

Now i know what my calling is, I now know what my destiny is. But WILL GOD FORCE ME TO DO IT? NO

He Showed the location where i should operate, IF I DECIDES TO CHANGE THE LOCATION WILL HE STOP ME? No, but will the land i choose be fruitful? No. Will i blame him if i fail there? Why i shd i?

Now that i have asked what my assignment in destiny is, and he has shown me, if i decide not to constantly consult him in the day to day affairs of doing his Work, and eventually run into trouble, Shd i blame him? Why will i?


Now He had determined that i be a certain person, gave me a certain talent and passion to be able to function in a certain vocation, If i dont enquire from him, will i in the first place know what my assginment is? No.

Now that i know, if i say, "Lord, I cant do that, am too learned to do that, and choose to do what i please, should i blame God for the outcome? No.

KingEbukasBlog:
It is not biblical and God would not create someone just to go to hell .

2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But what about the ones the Bible calls the "Sons of Perdition"?

KingEbukasBlog:
Some people are predestined to make heaven but no one is predestined for hell . The truth is not everyone has free will . Some people must follow a particular course for God's divine purpose . That' s my opinion . Objections are welcomed though .

Yes, i gree with you. Looking at this...

Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily SUCH AS SHOULD BE SAVED.
Acts:2:47

If there are "Such that should be saved", then they are those who ahould not be saved. As hard and cruel as this may sound, this where the Sovereignty of God in Salvation comes in.

honourhim:
Hello brethren, kindly give your views on predestination as recorded in the scriptures quoted below for more understanding to the readers here(including myself).

[b]Romans 8;28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified


Also

Ephesians 1;4-6, and 10-12.

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
[/b]

Does the above scripture imply that those who are born again now and those who will be born again in future are predestined for it? Which means those who are not predestined to be born again will never be no matter what? And those who are predestined to be born again will be no matter what? Kindly contribute for more understanding. Thanks.


N.B. Pls note that this thread is not intended to mock God. He is the creator and whatever he want cannot be questioned. I.e. assuming what i think about the above scripture is actually what it means.

I wish i can give you a soft copy of this book
"The Sovereignty of God", This topic is dealt extensively there.
The Chapter that talks about the Sovereignty of God in Operation deals with this extensively.

lexiconkabir:
Lol, you are away and you are still quoting me out of being butthurt right? well i wont stoop so low to your level and start cussing out(clearly thats what you want). So go away

"Butthurt" is the new word you learned in NL?

Alexandro15:
No vex o.
But I don't get your point. What do you gain by accusing someone falsely. As far as I am concerned, you are the fake-person here. You displayed a fake certificate just to accuse someone.

If you are asked to state your reasons, you will question his choice of words. He is responsible for what he says not what you understand. You are so into this freemasonry stuff that your mind is relating what someone said innocently to mean something else. Its just like talking to a sexual pervert. He will think all you are saying is related to sexual talks.

Bro, are you sure you have really left your cult? From your posts, you seem proud to have even joined freemasonry.
One more question for you. How does your accusatory posts edify any of us here. How does it glorify God ?

You are either for or against us. Contribute positively or leave

Help me ask am oo. How does all this his accusation edify anyone here.

CharlyG1:
Hello Analice. Good evening dear. I see you're having a good time in His presence.


Keep up the good work.

God bless you

God bless you Sir

lexiconkabir:
Lol, thank you for telling me now go away

You seem not to get it, am away already. U stink because of the shit

lexiconkabir:
Hush! Go away!

Am away already, you are the one in deep shit.
You believe Allah who is at Muhammad's beg and call. Can you imagine a god who is a domestic servant to his messenger, always ready to do as Muhemmed pleased.

You are in deep shit

exmuslim1:
He claimed blacks not inferior to Arabs, yet he bought and possessed black slaves. And yes I'll post the hadith- "I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks".
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin." Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256. Muhammed claimed Blacks are not inferior to Arabs- why does Islam make it alright for an Arab to sell an offspring off if he or she is from a black slave. Where's the egalitarianism here? when A'isha (Muhammad's wife) had a maid-slave who was an Arab, Muhammad said to A'isha, `Set this maid free because she is from the children of Ishmael.'" Ibn Tamiyya Vol 31. Oh, enslaved descendants of Ishmael get special treatment right. And what about Arabs and their pride and Muhammed's followers and their unquenchable thirst for blood- Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah’s Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us. Al Tabari Vol 9.
Also, Narrated Jabir bin Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve Muslim rulers (who will rule all the Islamic world)." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, "All of them (those rulers) will be from Quraish." Sahih Bukharin 9:89:329. Should this religion you love so much not give an equal opportunity to you. But no, they display their Arab supremacy openly but you still don't accept it.
The most hateful among the creation of Allah us one black man among them (Khwarij). One of his hand is like the teat of a goat or the nipple of the breast. When 'Ali b. Abu Talib (Allah be pleased with him) killed them, he said: Search (for his dead body). They searched for him, but they did not find it (his dead body). Upon this he said: Go (and search for him). By Allah, neither I have spoken a lie nor has the lie been spoken to me. 'Ali said this twice and thrice. They then found him (the dead body) in a rain. They brought (his dead) body till they placed it before him (Hadrat 'Ali). 'Ubaidullah said: And, I was present at (that place) when this happened and when 'Ali said about them. A person narrated to me from Ibn Hanain that he said: I saw that black man. Is this not racist enough.
Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks. Al-Tabari Vol 2. You still wanna argue.
It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent. Ishaq:450
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad. And yet you a black man protect these racist buttfvcks.

Lemme just stop here, because if I start posting what their scholars wrote about black people, you'll cry.

Respect, Respect, Respect.

lexiconkabir:
unfortunately for you Allaah replies that;

"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah [size=13pt]is the most righteous of you[/size]. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted." {Quran 49:13}

Why does Allah talks in the third person? Pls Ex-muslim help me here, the muslims will lie about it.

It seems someone is talking to someone else about allah. "We have created you FROM male and female? Created you FROM male and female? I dont get this.

exmuslim1:
I said Lukman was a Rasul but not a Nabiy. Please and please, stop twisting my words.

Don't expect him not to, he is a muslim

Demmzy15:
You can see that you're a worthless loser. You asked for proofs for when whites were taken as slaves not exclusively blacks and it was given to you and you still nag and shine your cursed brown teeth?

See this illiterate o, so if KKK wakes up, what na happen? I can see how clueless you're!

Must you screech? Cant you just have a discussion without name calling?

TheSixthSense:
Probably the most ridiculous thing I have seen today. Please I would like to know where you got this information?

Don't take that one serious, lies flow out of his mouth like tap water.

exmuslim1:
Wait... Hold up, seriously, a black man having a Caucasian as a slave. Go back to sleep. And now you want me to prove Abd was used to refer to slaves, what do you want? A YouTube video of 1500 years ago. So many claims, and I've countered them with books and hadiths. But no, you'll never accept. You're the sick one here.

Upon on top of that, the Blackman having a caucasian as a slave in Arabic society oo. This Muslims lie in Africa. Well.. What do i expect? Allah is the greatest deciever ever.

EyeHateGod:
Thats why U self-service on his Name Every Night?

The deep calleth to the deep.

kio052001:
they do everything "do or die" because 4m the begin of the religion, the confusion has been in existence

how can a man have sex with a bleeding woman

I learnt that a muslim man is only entitled to 4 wives but today they keep wife no 1 & 2 and keep shoveling 3 & 4, the discarded wives are introduced to anyone who cares to know about them as sisters

Women to Muslims are or were less than animals. Just recently, the Islamic Scientists in Saudi Arabia just confirmed that its now scientically proven that Women are Mammals. So all along according to Islamic Science, women are not Mammals, So can be treated like animals.

Ifeann:
MUHAMMED, HIS MANY SAD WIVES AND SHENANIGANS WITH HIS SLAVES

Some Muslims deny that Muhammad was married to more than four women at a time, merely on the basis that the Qur'an only gives permission for marrying four. Unfortunately, facts and Muslims historians disagree. Only one of Muhammad's last eleven wives died before him (Zaynab bint Khuzayma). The rest outlived him by many years. Muhammad forbade his ten widows from remarrying, even making sure that this "divine" order was forever preserved in the eternal word of Allah - Qur'an (33:53). To add insult to injury, they were all summarily disinherited from Muhammad's estate by his successor (courtesy of another divine order "given" to Abu Bakr from Allah).

So let’s begin
Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased"

Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them, his wives. Accordingly, allah was quick to reveal to Muhammad that he may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain...

Allah reaffirms Mohammed he is not to be bothered by any promises to his wives.

Qur'an (66:1-5) -"O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths "

Another remarkably personal passage of sexual convenience in a book billed as Allah's perfect and eternal message to mankind.

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Allaheven permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex withmarried slaves, suchas those captured inbattle.

Muhammad was caught sleeping with a slave woman on the night that he was supposed to be with one of his wives. Initially promising to be faithful, "Allah" tells his prophet to break that promise and enjoy sex with his slaves. His wives objected then allah revealed another message to mohammed for his wivies..

"it may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you."

MOHAMMED AND BABY AISHA:

Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha whenshe was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). Nowhere in any other the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given. The concenus by Islamic scolars is that aisha was a pubescent child when mohammed had his way with her.

Bukhari (62:18) -Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't onboard at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders and fake prophets/pastors manipulate their followers into similar concessions. Lets see what happened next;

Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

Bukhari (6:298) -Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and handle her.

Thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of paedophilia, sex with children became deeply in grained in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their men folk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world.

When it comes to child marriage, contemporary clerics warn fellow Muslims against succumbing to the disapproval of the Christian West: "It behoves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.”

The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants for sexua.l pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older). In April, 2010, a 13-year-old Yemeni girl died from injuries suffered to her womb during "intercourse".

Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as "thighing" (also known as child molestation in the West). According to a recent fatwa (number 23672),an imam answers this question: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?" by telling the man' that he may "hug her, kiss her, and ejaculat.e between her legs."
A prominent member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious council said in 2012 that girls can be married "even if they are in the cradle," then went on to explain that intercourse may occur whenever they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the man."
Muhammad's penchant for girls so much younger than him was such that at least two of his father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Omar, the first two Caliphs) were actually younger than him as well. This disappointing pattern is very much at odds with the sort of sexual discipline that one might expect of a true "prophet of God."

THIS PASSAGE GIVES US AN INSIGHT TO THE DEPRAVITY OF MOHAMMED’S MIND

Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of a child.

Bukhari (4:232) -Muhammad's wives would wash Fluid stains outof his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers.
Between Reproduction and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.

Bukhari (6:300) -Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's handling even when they were having their menstrual period.

Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.

Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives
equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.

Bukhari (5:268) -"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "

Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).

Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her-meaning that they can live under the same roof together.

MUHAMMAD SLEEPS WITH HIS ADOPTED SON’S WIFE AND ABOLISHES ADOPTION

Muhammad's pursuit of Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son is almost as tough for Muslims to explain. This is because it not only raises a similar question of moral character, but also casts suspicion on whether his so-called prophecies were really divine revelation or dictates of personal convenience.

According to one biographer, even Aisha appears to be somewhat doubtful of Muhammad's claim that Allah commanded him to marry Zaynab, wryly remarking,
"Truly Allah seems to be very quick in fulfilling your prayers."

So controversial was Muhammad's desire to marry his adopted son's wife that he had to justify it with a stern pronouncement from Allah on the very institution of adoption, which has had tragic consequences to this day.
Verses 33:4-5 are widely interpreted to imply that Islam is against adoption, meaning that an untold number of children in the Islamic world have been needlessly orphaned -all because Muhammad's lustful desires for a married woman went beyond even what the other six wives that he possessed at the time and a multitude of slaves could satisfy.

In summary, Islam's holiest texts portray Muhammad not as a perfect man, but as a sexual hedonist. Not only did he become fat from indulging in food, but his pursuit of sex was no less gluttonous. On top of it all, he used personal "revelations" from Allah to justify his debauchery to the gullible masses which, to this day continue.

Allah was Muhammad's domestic servant, doing acxirding to Muhammad's wishes.

realmindz:
Your post is quite long and colourful but filled with trashes.

wen we say religion has reduced the thinking capacity of grown men, this is an example.

let me help u make more sense, out of Noah's children, one was jewish, one was black, one was Chinese, one was Arab, one was white.
And within a period of about 5000 years they populated the whole world of billions of people.

And even somehow ancient civilisations like babylon and Egyptian civilisations over 5 thousand years ago just magically came up and could not have any single record of a world apocalypse that wiped out all humans and only their family survived. And their cities just magically became populated just after the world flood.

pls to you soul, cast out ignorance and seek knowledge. Bible stories aren't helping u THINK.


Receive Sense!!!

Anas09 pls help hold this guy so I Cast out demons of ignorance from him

Leta start by casting the ones in you.

0ubenji:
this is a 2-way question, imagine me asking u that as well....#null


i knew you'd come at me..relished the moment b4 u handed it to me on a platter.
stop doin what pls?..hmmn..and honesty is not a cheap virtue when religion is rife with bigotry...i'd advice u affix another subject pronoun to the adverb "honestly"
i hate being involved with debaters who got a confused perspective..i followed ur debate with MrMontella..and u reiterated(tho in contextual error) that the church(not some as u claim now) refused a donation to themselves(not the charity as u also claim now) from Atheists...[i]#confusion[/i]
ur pensive mood obviously took the best part of an intellectual u..please read to comprehension Sir
Must the baptist church fund a charity and disturb the public(which includes atheists) for funds?
if they cudnt solely fund a charity..why start one in the first place.
you cant gimme a blank cheque and chastise me for whateva amount i choose to request for..they gave out the chance to be humiliated by Atheists(according to u) sinx dey cudnt kip their house in order.
Daystar Christian centre(the church i attend)..championed humanitarian causes over the years..i'll list a few
1. they rebuilt schools and stocked them with educational materials.
NOTE: some of these schools are owned by the least religious ppl, sometimes pagans
2. they give out clothing, food items etc., bi-ennially to the needy(i dont necessarily mean haggard looking peeps, dudes and babes approach the welfare stands, no big deal), just approach the welfare staff in the church premises and state ur needs and u get it, provided it's available
NOTE: Atheists, Muslims(in their religious attire) approach the welfare staff and are treated the way; we, christians claim God wud love us to treat even our own enemies(sinx u seem to view non-christians as such).

Synagogue church of all Nations(Prophet T. B Joshua's)...gives food items, clothing and money to the needy occasionally.
NOTE: Most of them are not members of his church, they found themselves in the church coz of what they need, some are even pagans and the church knows this.

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I cited both scenarios above, to tell u that only a Religious Fanatic and Hypocrite Minces Religion with Humanism...
every religion preaches humanism as a highly prioritized moral standard. A good christian should know that objective humanism is a strong virtue, worthy of emulation, that cud even make an Atheist or any other religionist convert to be a christian.
bigotry, rooted in religious zealotry wud never convince an Atheist that our God is true, if our beliefs and actions are not in concomitance.
if I and some objectively reasoning others choose to condemn open religious hypocrisy, it's my prerogative and not urs to dictate as well..*chews kola*..lolz..another 2-way statement.
or are u d same Anas09 with an alternate moniker?...i wonder
parallel analogy.
he doesnt need to announce coz his profile dint give room for filling out religious views...if he created a column for religious views, u fink he wont fill-out Atheist there?...once again... plz read to comprehension
this is an educated assumption, but u never cud tel his real motive behind Nairaland u knw?. if his plan was sinister, he wont announce it.
sinx u dont trust Atheists money, why shud u trust an atheist's forum u bliv was propagated from Avarice?
avarice is not something a good christian of ur standard shud help promote by increasin his user-base(imagine u fuelling someones love of moni), why dont u deactivate ur acct here and go signup on christian forums only?..atleast the owners dont av selfish desire for money(as u prejudicially put it)....#hypocrisy
the irony here is in the fact that all dese facts exist in ur head alone..this is not a religious forum..why wud he brandish his views in d face of NLanders?.
answer: when u got an objective in mind, u dont let sentiments get in ur way or it spells u as being unfocused...#definitionOfabusinessman.

he however asserts his religious views whenever necessary..if u visit this forum as often as i imagine..u wud notice his comments here.
prejudice
..prejudice #2 u dont trust Atheist's moni but u trust his forum because u assume he wants to make moni...lolz...u made my day bro

Wait oo, na by force? ah...
You forget we are here making money for Seun.

[quote]If they cudnt solely fund a charity..why start one in the first place.
you cant gimme a blank cheque and chastise me for whateva amount i choose to request for..they gave out the chance to be humiliated by Atheists(according to u) sinx dey cudnt kip their house in order.[quote]If you have followed my point from the inception of this thread, its hinged on the above.
Athiest feel either there's no God or He is incapacitated to help those whontrust in Him, hence they bring their donatiins. And am saying I will proof to you that He is not, Go WITH YOUR MONEY.

I don't now why you are crying everywhere. Get a grip and deal with the fact that i can choose to accept or reject whatever i want from who ever.

realmindz:
yes, he shall perish in hell for eternity for mocking the ancient one of Israel....

If I mock buhari by naming my dog after him, the worst I can get is some days jail term and the whole religious folk would call for buhari's head.


But mock the all loving Yaweh and perish in the agony of hell forever and ever

You shall remember

MrPresident1:
The antichrist is not about to start ruling, the antichrist has been ruling the earth since Jesus died. Anti-Christ means against Christ, the antichrist is not a single person but a well entrenched system of individuals and organisations. Unfortunately, most people have not been given the ability to recognise who the antichrist is, God has enabled him to be hidden until the time of the end wen Christ will come to reveal him and subsequently destroy him.

2Thessalonians 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:



You still find this world and system still bearable SMDH! You mean you still find this system bearable? .
2Timothy 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

You do not want your crown yet? Anyways, I understand. The anxiety is for only the firstfruits


We haven't reached that stage yet? W are not yet in the stage described below?

2Timothy 3:1
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

You can still bear it
Lord Jesus please come now now now, don't mind Anas09 abeg.

Hahahahahahahaha. Oh my God. Make Lord Jesus no mind me? Am also expecting Him to come back even today sef.