₦airaland Forum

freshcvvs:
Na, i have issues with both cos i aint for any. if i didn't know what happened to me pre-existence, i care less what happens to me post-existence.

Do you believe in God? If you don't, why are you here? Leave us alone to talk about our God.

freshcvvs:
Threatening to me? okay oga, what happened to those who died because Christianity and Jesus came around? what "hell fire" are they going to hell, heaven or where according to?

Wonderful....

God will judge them according to their consciences, for the law of God was writen in their hearts.


Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Romans:2:15

Athiests are crying agaiant helldire why? Himosexuals are crying against hellfire why?

raphieMontella:
heard of the rainbow church?
Even closet gay pastors who were exposed.
Christianity ehn

Are you gay? Is that why you hate God so?

PastorAIO:
Men, it seems like you can't even read and understand a simple passage.

Okay, let me teach you some basic english comprehension.

Look at my post again:



Ques 1. Who is the man who is gleefully waiting?

Ques 2. What will God do in the text?

Ques 3. Is God the Man that is waiting?

Jozzy4:
woman, where exactly did he claim to be the founder ?

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Are u denying your leader now?

hopefulLandlord:
I guess those other animals seen engaging in homosexuality "became that" too?

You and animals who shd copy who? because animals are gay you justified to hump a fellow man? Chai

hopefulLandlord:
Is it natural or not?

NB: I'm not homosexual

Are you sure you are not? Your advocacy for it apeaks volumes.

Lennycool:
That doesn't answer the question, why did he create them?

I need you to tell us how many homosexuals you know who love God. Let me help you. Those born blind dont hate God for being born blind, why do all the homos and lesbians hate God? Or do u know those who love God?

firestar:
What is your question Anas09?

He asked you a question but u won't answer because, according to you "he was rude", so i apologize in his stead. So, now pls answer his question, it" ll enlighten us.

oneolajire:
What a pity! The modern day JWs can't even read through archives and discover the faulty foundations laid by their leaders. They just swallow all errors passed to them line hook and sinker.



READ 16 TERRIBLE LIES OF JWS


JW is the only true religion/christian: JW claim to be the only true religion/christian, so other Christians are false Christians. However, JW is a lifeless organisation that teaches falsehood and cannot withstand cohorts of principalities and powers of the devil. The reason why they are preaching to you because they believe all what you hear in church are false and they have the monopoly of God's truth.


2. Those who go to church follow false doctrines: JW'S claim that churches are shrines as they are not recognised by God and that God only recognises only one organisation called JW organisation. That is why the six letter word CHURCH (Matt 16:18) is not written in the so fake bible (new world translation of the holy scriptures) of the JW'S but replaced with 'organisation'. Church is got from a Greek word 'ecclesia' which means, gathering of God's people, called out out ones, people of Christ (Act 8:3, 1 Cor 1:2, 1 Pet 2:9).

3. They are following the command of Christ to announce God's kingdom: JW will never preach to juju people, ritualist, ogbonis, babalawos because JWs doctrines is powerless. Ask them of the number of worship centres they have in Iran, Iraq, 
Afghanistan and other difficult places. Does it mean these neglected people don't need God's kingdom? The truth is that they only preach where christianity has been established. They confuse those who are on the way to heaven because they have little knowledge of God's word by promising them a kingdom on earth.

4. Man is not a Spirit Being. They claim that man is a composition of two things, clay and breath from God. 1 Thessalonian 5:23 makes us to know that man is made of Spirit, soul and body. Act 7:52, shows us that Stephen's spirit was to go to Jesus. Paul said 'I go to be with Jesus when I die', he didn't say he's going to the grave. We fellowship in the spirit realm (John 4:24), means (human) spirits communicates with God(spirit) or other spiritual beings. Heb 4:12, Rom 12:2, soul/mind in the intellectual (reasoning) part of a man. So man is a Spirit being who has a soul, the intellectual realm while we only live in the body.

When people die, they go somewhere, Philippian 1:21-24, Act 7:59, Luke 16:20-31, just because they are spirit beings who live in the body

5. Jesus is not worthy of worship: JWs always denigrate the person of Jesus, they will never sing our church songs nor pray with us because we worship Jesus. Heb 1:6 Jehovah says Jesus should be worshipped. Rev 5:8-14, Matt 2:11 also supported the worship of Jesus. JWs are only fighting a lost battle for being angry to worship Jesus. The JWs fake bible replaced 'worship' with 'pay obeisance' wherever people worship Jesus.


6. There is no hell/lake of fire. JW teaches that God cannot send people to hell as he has made the earth for mankind. They claim those who don't believe in Jesus Christ would not resurrect or would have an abrupt end.  Anyway, the Bible teaches eternity in heaven (for those who follow the teachings of Jesus and eternity in hell (Rev 21:15, 22: for those who do otherwise. If there were no lake of fire, the rich man wouldn't have tried to prevent his relatives from witnessing same torment (Luke 16:20-31)



7. Jesus is an angel, precisely Angel Michael. JWs claim the statements 'sons of God' (Gen 6:2) refers to angels. So Jesus is God's firstborn son and Michael is the Arch angel, therefore Jesus is angel Michael( 1 Thes 5:16). JWs are wrong. Angels are spirits, servants of those who inherit salvation (Heb 1:14). Heb chapter 1 & 2 were written to the Hebrews (and to us) to purposely educate them (us) that Jesus is not an angel.


8. Nobody is in heaven: John 3: 13, Jesus told Nicodemus that 'nobody has ascended to heaven'. 
This place is quoted out of context. Jesus was telling Nicodemus that He is the only one who has being in heaven and come down to earth, and nobody has gone up there and returned to earth to tell us heavenly things. JW's don't want to know where Elijah went. Ascention means lifting up of a bodyly being but believers go to heaven in spirit form (Act 7:52).

9. Other Christians worship three Gods (polyetheism)  as they worship only one God (monotheism). Bible truth goes thus:  EMMANUEL means JEHOVAH WITH US (Matt 1:23). Jesus is God in human flesh John 1:1&14, 1Tim 3:16. In Rev 1:6-8 Jesus is all that Jehovah is, the ALMIGHTY. In Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is the everlasting father. Philippians 2:6 tells us Jesus is a form of God-in human flesh.
God is a Spirit in John 4:24, in Rom 8: 9, Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ were interchanged, which also is the Holy Spirit.
You can see that we worship only one God (1 Cor 8:4) who relates with man in three forms. This is uniqueness of Christianity.

JWs made a terrible mistake in their NWT (fake bible) in Matt 3:3, Mark 1:3, Luke3:4, John 1;23. John prepared the way of "Jehovah" and Jesus was the "Jehovah" whom John prepared his way.


10. Man will live forever in this earth. Matthew 5:5 is their favourite verse. JW's claim that the garden of Eden lost by Adam would be restored on earth (eternal life).

JWs can be so ridiculous, they want to inherit Dangote's cement factories as well as his refinery under construction.
They want to enjoy the wealth of Bill Gate and Mark Zuckerberg.
The creator of heaven and earth says they will pass away, JWs are saying no to God's word. Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:31. They will be burnt by fire 2Pet 3:7and 12. They will give way for a new heaven and earth, not a panelbeated, renovated or recycled heaven and earth.

JWs claim they want to inherit the earth Matt5:5. People could be moralist, idol worshipper, agnoist, atheist and still be meek despite rejecting the gospel. If meekness is what it takes, Jesus didn't need to die, he would only have concentrated his teachings on meekness. Meanwhile, there is nothing to inherit in this earth

Matthew 5:5 is only saying that those who are meek will enjoy their stay on earth during their lifetime (befo


11. Participating in competitions e.g. sports, debate, etc are sinful 2 Cor 10:12. They misinterpreted the bible. Though their members have so much passion for competive sports, yet they are hypocrites when it comes sticking to this doctrines of theirs. 1,Cor 9:25. Even Paul told us that those who run run to win prizes as he would have condemned competition in this verse while he would have categorised competitive sports as sin in several places of the scriptures. When we excel in competitions, it brings glory to God as his children.


12. Accepting blood transfusion is sinful: Act 15:20 also misinterpreted. JW's can't prove with the bible any account of blood transfusion in the bible, so how does 'abstain from blood' means 'reject blood transfusion'? However, if we should follow the word 'abstain', then we should run away from blood of fish, goats and other animals as well as injured people and women giving birth. Unfortunately, they do not have any bible record of blood transfusion prior to the time of the first Apostles to justify that their claim.


13. Marking or celebrating days is unbiblical. JW's don't celebrate easter, christmas and new year. They refused to see what the bible says that those who keeps a day should keep it for the Lord Romans 14:6. Philippian 4:4. Unfortunately, the celebrate wedding anniversary, what an hypocricy?


14. Participating in secular governance and politics should be avoided. They hold on to 1 Cor 4:4 where bible says that the devil is the 'god of this world'. So they claim being part of the world government means being ruled by the devil. They claim to await God's kingdom on earth to be ruled by Jesus (theocracy). They neither say the national anthems, pledges nor salute flags because of these reason (they also refer to them as worship). Bible teaches that God appointed rulers over us Rom 13: 1-7, Titus 3:1 God would have told is if he doesn't want us not to be part the leaders. The truth is that the devil had been in operation before the nation of Israel, so David, Hezekiah, Daniel and other faithfuls wouldn't have been permitted by God if truely God doesn't want us to part of government.


15. Being in military is wrong. JW's claim they are not for fight but for peace, because God's kingdom is for peace. In Act 10, we see how a senior army officer (and his household) got born again and got baptised in the Holy Spirit. Peter would have compelled Cornilius to resign from the Italian regiment if being in the army was sinful. Moreover, Jesus healed the servant of another senior military officer (Matt 8:5-11) without Jesus saying anything negative about his participation in the army.


16. Jesus is a created being Col 1:15. JW held tight to this verse and misinterpreted it. Jesus was the creator who entered creation to save mankind. Anyone who will enter this world must take the form of creation before he can be born Col 1:16, Philippian 2:5-8.


WHO ARE THE JWs?

1. They are people who use human wisdom to interpret God's word. They lack spiritual understanding as the natural human wisdom cannot receive God's wisdom (1 Cor 2: 12-14, John 14:26)

2. They are people who lack revelation of GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT (Eph 1:17-18)

3 They are spiritually DEAF.  John 10:27, they don't hear God's audible voice speaking to them, so they want you to join them so you'll become spiritually deaf.

4 They are empty in the spiritual realm, so powerless a doctrine. No healing, miracle, vision, prophesy, all because they lack the Holy Spirit and that is why they cannot confront juju power and the likes.

5. They don't preach salvation from sin, repentance, sanctification and righteousness, as a prerequisite for God's kingdom. They only tell people to come and study and start preaching heresy.

6 They lack revelation of heaven: In Isaiah 6, Act 7: 55-56, Rev 4, God's people saw the revelations of heaven and God is still showing Christians what heaven looks like, but none of the JWs has ever seen heaven. Christians can see where we are going, jws cannot see their end.

7. They are followers of a man named Russell Charles Taze. He made lost of false predictions and teachings.

http://thewatchtowerfiles.com/did-charles-taze-https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies-predict-1914-as-christs/

http://www.bible.ca/Jw-Prophecy.htm

Read more of him on various encyclopedia as well

JWs doctrine looks attractive to you if
1. You have a shallow knowledge of God's word
2. You live in sin (lying, worldliness, sexual immoralities e.t.c.)
3. You don't allow the Holy Spirit to teach you more of God.
4. You don't go for evangelism

While Christians evangelize unbelivers turning them to Christ, JW evangelizes Christians to turn them to Watch Tower.

freshcvvs:
The hell fire is not real fire this man or would you say the plucking of eyes he said too is the real eye-removing?

God didnt create hellfire for man, it was for satan and his angels, here is what Jesus Himself says ...

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew:25:41

Any human who ends up in hell did that by choice, the choice of rejecting the Life of Christ which brings rebirth into the human spirit.
So, if you lie down at night xonvincing yourself that Hellfire is not real, you have been lied to.

The word of Christ Himself "Everlasting fire".
I dont know what your Bible translates that verse of the Bible, but that's what it is.

Get this Jesus Christ the Son of God, talked about hellfire more than anyone else in the entire Bible. The reason for which he came is to save man from hellfire. But Charles Taze Russell seeks to subvert that message.
Charles calls Jesus a liar and wicked by saying people will go to hell. That is what it means.

freshcvvs:
So If God wasn't going to "destroy" the earth, you wouldn't have been a christian?

People should repent because hell is real or because God's worth worshiping willingly?

Wait... You have a problem with hellfire but not with Jehovah destroying people in Amagedon?

Listen, Jesus talked about hellfire more than he talked about heaven in the gospels. If you choose to see his teachings as metaphors, thats you. If you reject his love and life, you wont have the rebirth which takes place in your spirit man, if your spirit is not alive when u die here, you can't proceed to where Christ is. You'd be left outside and that outside is what is called hellfire. If it sounds threatening to you here, wait until you die..

freshcvvs:
So If God wasn't going to "destroy" the earth, you wouldn't have been a christian?

People should repent because hell is real or because God's worth worshiping willingly?

Wait... You have a problem with hellfire but not with Jehovah destroying people in Amagedon?

Listen, Jesus talked about hellfire more than he talked about heaven in the gospels. If you choose to see his teachings as metaphors, thats you. If you reject his love and life, you wont have the rebirth which takes place in your spirit man, if your spirit is not alive when u die here, you can't proceed to where Christ is. You'd be left outside and that outside is what is called hellfire. If it sounds threatening to you here, wait until you die.

truthislight:
The word Eternal and everlasting is Futuristic and not necessarily concern with the past.

For instance, God said he will give humans Eternal live/Ever-lasting life, does that in any way suggest that the people that will be given this Eternal life had always existed?

If No, why are you concluding that calling Jesus Eternal/everlasting father implies that he had always existed?

Again, have you ever wondered what Adam would have been had he not sinned against Yahweh? Well, he would still have remained as our father to this day and for ever. What then would we have been calling him? Answer = He would have remain as our Eternal father.

But, as it is, Jesus bought over what Adam lost, hence, took over his place of being our father. So, Jesus became our Eternal Father.

If you look closely, you would notice that though Adam would have remained our Eternal father, that does not mean that Adam had always existed either.

So, Jesus being called Eternal/Everlasting Father, does not mean that Jesus had always existed.

Please, do not confused Eternity with eternal.

Have you ever seen were humans are being promised ETERNITY in the bible?

It is only Yahweh that is called King of Eternity

Peace.

Speculations, speculations, speculations. Stop speculating spirituality. Drop scriptures.

Jozzy4:
when you think you are wise , you become a fool !

from the link

" Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower , he [Russell] was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.— Colossians 1:18-20 "
* bracket mine

didn't you see the bold ?

So what did he find, if not a religion? Isnt JW a religion?
Okay wait, who wrote that excerpt? Isn't it a JW?
I asked a JW once who started JW organization, he said Righteous Abel who was killed by cane. I laughed. Now you are here trying to lie. Like i expected that a JW will say the truth.

Jozzy4:
This liar again , @ bold Show me where Russell claimed to be the leader of Jehovah's Witnesses ?

Ohhh, is he not your founder?

PastorAIO:
Lol. You're equating yourself with God now.

How did i do that?

JMAN05:
I don't read his post. So I don't know his claim. Am barred from discussing with an apostate. 1cor 5:11.

Do you think if Jesus took this your stance Peter would have been restored back faith?

kevoh:
Your post reeks of hypocrisy, self-righteousness and promotion of hatred. Very typical of christians of the pentecostal stock! Your so-called pastor is not one of worthy emulation either. He should be promoting peace and not teaching people to utter hate comments. No one is better or worse than anyone.
From my experience, I'm ready to transact businesses with JWs without much fear of being scammed than transact with someone who calls himself ''Pastor''. Once you mention ''Pastor'', I stay more alert!

Leave pastors out of this, lets talk here. U cant talk without mentioning pastors?

firestar:
I don't tolerate rude behaviour Emusan.
You will be addressed as one lacking courtesy in manner of speech.

You of all people should discern that if you require answers, at least be polite.

Okay. No vex. Sorry for his rudeness, Oya answer the question.

firestar:
Commendable work you're doing JMAN05.

Really?lolzzz

JMAN05:
How will quoting it out show whether it is within context or not? Read it and tell me what you understand to the contrary.

Oga, if you are making a point using a scripture to back it, the aensible thing to so is to post what it says, not just the book and chapter, how do u expect me to ooen a Bible wen am not at home?
Wen i see what u posted i'll know if the Scripture supports your point. Somany quote scriptures out of context to decieve.

JMAN05:
I don't agree, even the apostles had wrong expectation. Act 1:6. Christians in Thessalonians had wrong expectation too. 2thes 2:1-2.

Pls quote your scriptures out. Lets see wat they say if there are within context.

JMAN05:
I don't agree, even the apostles had wrong expectation. Act 1:6. Christians in Thessalonians had wrong expectation too. 2thes 2:1-2.

Pls quote your scriptures out.

raphieMontella:
lol..i love reading this girls comment..
Hahahaha.

You don't exist in my turf.

Ranchhoddas:
So for all we know Hard Mirror might just have been spiritually careless or persecuted, have you considered this?

Yes i have. But a backslider still has a redemptive experience nah. Thats all am asking from him. How was God giving rhema to him?

Ranchhoddas:
So for all we know Hard Mirror might just have been spiritually careless or persecuted, have you considered this?

Yes i have. But a backslider still has a redemptive experience nah. Thats all am asking from him. How was God reveal rhema to him?

Janeyinspires:
Women should recognise their place and duty in the home-submission being the principal one.

Now,in a bid to be submissive to the husby,allowing him to have the final say;is a woman considered to be wise when she agrees to an open relationship as introduced by the husby into their marriage,Anas09?

P.S.An open relationship is where both parties agree to have a relationship outside their marriage.

Will you sincerely call that union marriage?
On a normal day, there is no man who allows another man come close, much less touch the one they call their wives. Polygamous men still keep their wives away from other men. It doesnt matter how many women a man misbehaves with, when even the girlfriend they call theirs, dares allow another man in, its finished. She becomes food sacrificed to idols.

Men are conquerors, wen they conquer, they secure, if they dont secure you as a woman,know you are pick and drop. U dont mean much to them.

Theres nothing like open relationship in marriage dear.


And pls, the Wise woman who does the above is a Christian woman married to a Christian man who is also submitted to God as his head.

PastorAIO:
Thus speaks the man who gleefully awaits the day when God will burn in a great lake of fire all those who have a different opinion from himself.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Maybe i have not asked you this before, so allow me now. Pls show me where God said He will gleefully roast people in hellfire.

You for one, have chosen where to spend your eternity wont it be unfair to deny you your wish? God is a Just God. Choose ye this day...

hopefulLandlord:
you're the best comedian I have on Nairaland, I can't help most times but chuckle while reading your posts

I hope that's your intention

If you expected me to take you serious, you misfired.