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Righteousness89:
Emphasis should not be about the Name of a Church..

Emphasis should be that the Church in Nigeria and all over the World Should Preach and Teach the Raw World of GOD.

Matthew 6:33 is the Standard..
Not the Reverse as is being done..

JESUS CHRIST Came to seek and Save the lost.. This should be the Primary call of all Churches..

GOD BLESS HIS CHURCH

Right now in Nigeria, there's no Church that seeks the lost like Winners Chapel. From 2015 till today, Operation Wonder double has been running. Replicating and doubling of souls is paramount in our minds, why won't anyone condemn that?

Winners members are everywhere preaching and reaping souls into the kingdom, yet what a religious fanatic will see is how New Converts dress to Church.

How does New Converts dress to her Church?

The good news is that, those dressing indecently eventually starts dressing well when they see they look odd in the midst of well dressed brethren.

Lyon4953:
All the teaching about soul winning, evangelism...you did not hear about that, is only prosperity you can pick..

Im a full member of winners chapel. The emphasies on materialism over spirituality is just alarming especially in large congregations.
What helps my christian journey are my early years in Deeper life where l was baptized.

Some guys and babes can even attend services with their sin partners without an oita of guilt cus what you often hear centers on prosperity.

This isnt implying those in other places of worship are automatically saints

For me, l live Deeper life and practice Winners cus applying their teachings to your daily hustle will help u succeed.

Though l love winners. But their teachings need be balance so we dont gain the whole world and loose our soul in hell.

How long have you been a winner and which Unit do you serve as a worker?

Can you sincerely say Winners Chapel members (Not New Coverts) dress indecently to Church?

How many Pillars does Winners Chapel draw their monthly Prophetic teachings from and how many of them teach prosperity?

Why didn't you remain in Deeper Life?

Maximus69:
Avoiding ARGUMENTS!

Instead of saying for the first time a true Christian perfected the Practical Application of what's written in the Bible! 1Timothy 6:4, Philippians 2:14, Titus 3:9

A master of arguments is avoiding argument? No, you know you'd be crushed if you dare, hence you ran off claiming you are avoiding arguments. What have you been doing since you registered your account in Nairaland if not arguing?

Maximus69:
@bolded

We are Jehovah's Witnesses, our understanding of the scriptures is PROGESSIVE not stagnant Sir! Philippians 2:14, 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9

So why didn't you display your progressive understanding of Scriptures by analyzing Our Lord's prayer?

jubianose:
Hi dear Ana,
My dear take am easy oo

Hello dearie. See as that guy jump enter my space like mosquito?

Maximus69:
It's the Benefit that matters now Sir!

For the first time, a JW runs from a fight.

Go in peace, and remember not to jump into discussions if you don't understand the content of it.

Maximus69:
I guess that's why only Jehovah's Witnesses out of all religions claiming Christians could Physically prove to observers the efficiency of Jesus' prayers!

You said this ^^^^, and I said Since only JW can prove to observers the efficiency of Jesus prayer physically, let us, you and I analyze it. You do so Physically and I wld do it Spiritually, let's see the message it has for your so called observers.

What the bolded signify is that, JW are men-pleasers. They carry bags and argue scriptures unendingly for their observers to applaud and say, weldone, only you are true Christians. Sadly, only JW's tell themselves that. lolzzzzz.

Maximus69:
You know that prayer nah!

No, I don't know how physical portrayal of the Lord's Prayer can be efficient in the life of a Christian, this is why I want you to tell me. Pls don't assume I know.

Maximus69:
So tell me the benefits and leave the rest to me, JWs have taught me their own Theories, the Practical Applications and i'm seeing the Benefits Sir!

After we finish the Lord's prayer.

Maximus69:
For your information, i've traveled to strange places and yet people i never knew in my life welcome me as their brother into their homes all because i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses like them. So it's evident that this group have formed one happy global family.

Correct!!!!!!!!. This is the typical picture of what JW is about. That is your own definition of Love abi?
JW claim you follow Jehovah, Abraham did too, but he entertained people he never knew whether they worshipped his God or not. Lot did the same, wld JW do the same except they know it's their own?

Wld they have accepted you into their homes if you were a Catholic or an Evangelical? Is this the kind of Love Jesus preachd and passed down to us?

Do you even have the slightest idea of what 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself' means?

Let me give you a little story. I grew up seeing my father who was a Catholic Knight hosting an Assembly's of God pastors in our house until they built a parish for their pastors.

My Dad after building his house, gave out a room to Assembly's of God for free. The pastors were cared for by us. Not that Assembly's of God members didn't have good enough houses to host their pastors, but it was my Catholic father who did.

Can a JW do that for a Catholic Church to house their Priests? Can a JW open their doors to a hungry traveling Catholic Priest or a Pentecostal Pastor?

Clap for yourself for this SELF-ish analogy you just gave.

Maximus69:
But if you're now accusing them, it's OK let's assume there is no one guilty of the same accusation in your own religion, right?

What did I accuse them of?
Do you even remember we're still talking abt Trinity here?
You JW see Jehovah as being a different entity from Jesus, and the Holy Spirit does not exist sef, and I said you guys do this because of your physical portrayal of the Word of God. You jumped on me. Now you're claiming i accused JW. How did I do that?

Maximus69:
Just present the benefits of being a believer so that i go back and read my Bible to see if there is anything i'm missing as a believer. Period!

Lol. You don't call the shots here Maximus69, you don't. You jumped on my post without even understanding what I meant, so you'd follow sequence. We are not done here.

Maximus69 how can a physical portrayal of the Lord's Prayer affect a Christian's life positively?

When the Lord said, 'Our Father', did He mean that Jehovah is a father only to the Jehovah's Witnesses? Pls tell me.

I wish you'd try analyzing this model prayer and see how Jehovah' Witnesses heresy will be exposed.

Oga Until you treat this, you won't go further to anything else. You can run off tho.

Maximus69:
Nah wah o!

E be like sey arguments just sweet your belle like die, abeg if your Jesus no get any benefits, it's better to stay with my JEHOVAH o!

Just Negodu!!!!!!. You jumped on my post when you are empty.

I didn't say we won't talk about the Benefits of being a follower of Christ, I said let's finish up what you started, you dey run around dey make noise.

NPComplete:
Yeah one of the days u will be jerking off the devil and remember this thread.

You can't prove anything but u mentioned me 4 times while pouring spit all over the thread and masturbäting to the thoughts of people being damned eternally lol. What was the point of all that anyway since u don't have proof? Oh I remember u are starved of attention so u just wanted to register your sadistic presence on this thread. Lol. I have noticed u. Now run along.

You wish I can dive down into the gutter with you, but Naaa. Go on in your slime. The end shall tell.

@Maximus69. Begin from 'Our Father', 'who is in heaven', hallowed or honour, be your name...

Let's see if Jehovah' witness honour the name of Jehovah.

I'm waiting.

Maximus69:
@bolded

I think you're at least part of them Sir, because i've not come across any other religious group receiving attention on social media like JWs!

It's either they committed this or that, and the funniest part of it is that there's no religious organization that can stand out to say "we're completely blameless with regards to the accusations levelled against the Jehovah's Witnesses"

So why focusing on JWs if not that all eyes are on this one and only unique group that's totally different from them all?

And what they are said to have committed is not verifiable?
So far, everything that people have accused watchtower organization has proven true or you want to argue with facts?

I am not going to be dragged into some arguements.

You brought up the Lord's prayer and how only the JW physically practicalises it, and how the world is seeing it's efficiency.

Now, Mr JW, pls physically analyze the Lord's prayer let's see what the Lord means physically and see how efficient it is.

NPComplete:
This hag has started polluting my mentions with her foul personality again. What sort of cow piss did u drink again today?

The old gorilla is telling us she has seen a lame walk but if we ask her for evidence now she will cook up 21 stories. Abeg I no get your time. You talked a lot of sh!t and still didn't show me anything worth talking about. I guess when Jesus wanted to heal the man with a legion of demons he asked how the man conducted himself. Lol. Clown.

Give us verifiable proof of the lame u have seen walk instead spewing your rabies-carrying saliva around the thread. Your sanity seems to have degenerated faster than Ur body so u don't even know how to lay down your arguments again. Your first act on this thread should have been evidence instead of anecdote.

And leave demons out of the discussion they are not the reason why your life is the wreck it is. If u had a better personality u won't be where u are today so stop trying to bring demons up in everything.

I know u don't have anything again in this life and are just looking forward to death. You think death will grant u a reprieve from the shame your life now seems to be despite all u have done in the name of God so that fortune can smile on u. But God isn't smiling. He is not fooled one bit.
You are a husk of a human being and this my conversation with u will probably be one of the most meaningful thing that will happen in your life this week but please don't be so much in a hurry to die. With your kind of personality, there is no way u still won't get sodomized by the devil after u die. Don't be in a hurry to get there. We need you here for comic relief.

Lolzzzzz. I shd leave demons out od it but I shd give you proof of the lame I saw walked. Wow, NPComplete.

I don't proof anything to satan your master, who are you to demand proof from me?

Don't worry, one if these days you shall stand before your Maker and you'd remember this thread.

Maximus69:
The OP never mentioned the name of any group, he only presented his opinion on the topic, and some of you started pointing to the same religious that might not even be noticeable if not brought to light! I think something is unique about this group but if you're saying they're false fine!

But Jesus prayed {John 17:20-23} and i believe his prayers must have been answered by someone up there.

Please Sir, just tell me the benefits that needs to be observe in order to be certain that what Jesus prayed for is happening amongst so and so group and leave the rest to me!

After we have analyzed the Lord's prayer. Verse by verse. You first. Just tried it and see how Jw will be exposed.

Lolzzzzz. JW ans rheir evading tactics.

You started what you can't finish?

Maximus69:
Jesus admonished his TRUE followers NOT to waste precious times arguing with unbelievers [/b]Sir. Matthew 10:12-13

And i strongly believe that you're a born again Christian that completely submitted to whatever God's son says. John 3:16

[[b]So why not just help me by presenting the [b]Benefits of being a Christian[/b] {Matthew 19:27} as analysed by Jesus himself and leave the rest to me! Mark 10:29-30

God bless you Sir!

@bolded. But that is what JW do from inception. From when did you stop arguing?

Besides, I didn't say lets argue, I said, let's analyze (as in discourse) the prayer. While you are at it, I won't interject until you're done.

Since you say its efficacy or abi na efficiency is seen or derived in its physical portrayal. Let's do it.

@Second bolded.
One after the other. You brought in the Lord's prayer, I didn't. All I'm doing now is take you up on your leads. Before we go to rhe benefitz of being a believer, let's analyze the Lord's prayer you brought up first

You don't want to argue abt the Lord's prayer but wants to argue the Benefits of being a believer. Lolzzzzz. See your JW tactics? Wen you are cornered you play tricks.

Maximus69:
I guess that's why only Jehovah's Witnesses out of all religions claiming Christians could Physically prove to observers the efficiency of Jesus' prayers!

You are making my point for me. There's nothing physical about the Lord's prayer. And, anyone who tries to make it carnal, will lose all the underlying power in it.

Maximus69:
Jesus prayed to Someone that his TRUE followers be united as one happy global family of peace-loving worshippers {John 17:20-23} and all the Christians were doing so in the spirit therefore nobody can see it happening in there midst because they're done SPIRITUALLY!

Yes, He did. And until you drop your literal portrayal of how the literal Bible present Him to be, you can never see that the same Bible calls Him God.
Why don't you at least explain why Jesus took all the attributes of YHWH?

Maximus69:
Whereas Jehovah's Witnesses who are seeing the scriptures PHYSICALLY were able to Physically PRACTICALISE it for everyone to SEE! Matthew 5:14-16

Who are the everyone? And what are you practicalising? lolzzzzz.

Maximus69:
@bolded

I guess that's why only Jehovah's Witnesses out of all religions claiming Christians could Physically prove to observers the efficiency of Jesus' prayers!

Jesus prayed to Someone that his TRUE followers be united as one happy global family of peace-loving worshippers {John 17:20-23} and all the Christians were doing so in the spirit therefore nobody can see it happening in there midst because they're done SPIRITUALLY!

Whereas Jehovah's Witnesses who are seeing the scriptures PHYSICALLY were able to Physically PRACTICALISE it for everyone to SEE! Matthew 5:14-16

You garrit Sir , you fucking garrit!

I knew the reality of what I wrote will fly over you as always.

Can we, you and I step by step analyze the Lord's prayer?

You go first. Verse by verse.

Niflheim:
@NPComplete,

That your reply na bad ass!!!

Oh, how I pity you. Pls try not to kill yourself one of these days.

NPComplete:
Lol. We know u Christians are liars but please lie with dignity na. Millions are healed yet all the mad people u know are still mad. All the blind people u know are still blind. All the lame people u know are still so. The only people getting healed are the people on your TV whose claims we can't verify. Keep fooling yourself.

You are always so slow. Do you know what causes madness? Are the mad people mad as a result of their faith in Christ?

If you, for instance become mad this night, wld anyone expect you to automatically be healed becos Jesus heals people?

Do you know that madness is demon possession? How did the mad folk conduct themselves before demons found their bodies as a hosts?

Trying to aound smart, you turn out sounding so Stu.pid.

I have seen the lame walk. So if this is why you serve satan because they are mad people, blind people and lame people who haven't been healed by Jesus, then enjoy your rebellion, it won't be long anymore, death shall settle us all.

jidenna21:
The best thing that can happen to any human is to lose this fantasy called faith...embrace common sense. I'm glad more people are coming forward... #ReligionIsOutdated.

No shakes man, death is waiting for you and your common sense.

LilMissFavvy:
This is bad news for me. As far as I'm concerned, this is the best gospel musical group in the world. The only gospel group whose songs I can listen to all through the day.

Hmmmmmmm. Read your Bible dear. Most of them join Hillsong to make a name for themselves, not because they are indeed for Christ.

Do not be dismayed, Jesus remains Lord forever and His Kingdom is from Everlasting to Everlasting.

NPComplete:
The truth is that he isn't the only one losing his faith. He is just the only bold one. Most of the others are too. But they have invested too much in the facade and can't muster the courage to come out in the open.

Yes NPComplete, We expect more to come out and deny Jesus, for if they don't, then the Lord's Words will fall to the ground and make him a lair. but alas, If He had said it, it shall come to pass.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, ~~~except there come a falling away first,~~~ and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

We shall continue to see many who have been hiding in our midst pretending to be part of us when a the whole time, they belong to Satan.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Many of them are homosexuals. Now the world is open to accept them, there's nothing to fear any more. Why shd they be hiding their proclivity inside the church when they can live free and have sex with even their dogs?

Wait for him to proclaim his Gayness.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

You actually thought we'd be surprised at this, yeah? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Listen, even if Bishop Oyedepo or Pastor Chris Oyakhilome who are my inspirations decides to recant Jesus tomorrow, my faith in Christ will even be strengthened more. because their salvation is not my salvation.

Niflheim:
Not surprised!!! He himself has realized the pathetic nature of his religion!!! But when will the Nigerians eating their expired amala and adulterated ewedu follow suit?



FULL STORY:


Marty Sampson, a prolific worship music writer known for his work with Hillsong Worship, Hillsong United, Delirious and Young & Free, revealed he is losing his faith and [/b]believes Christianity is “just another religion.”[b]

“Time for some real talk,” the Australian writer wrote in a since-deleted post on Instagram. “I’m genuinely losing my faith, and it doesn’t bother me. Like, what bothers me now is nothing. I am so happy now, so at peace with the world. It’s crazy.”

“This is a soapbox moment so here I go … How many preachers fall? Many,” he continued. “No one talks about it. How many miracles happen. Not many. No one talks about it. [/b]Why is the Bible full of contradictions?[b] No one talks about it. How can God be love yet send four billion people to a place, all ‘coz they don’t believe? No one talks about it. Christians can be the most judgmental people on the planet—they can also be some of the most beautiful and loving people. But it’s not for me.”
The "All I Need Is You” writer said he’s “not in” anymore and desires “genuine truth."

"Not the ‘I just believe it’ kind of truth," he wrote. [/b]"Science keeps piercing the truth of every religion.[b] Lots of things help people change their lives, not just one version of God. Got so much more to say, but for me, I keeping it real. Unfollow if you want, I’ve never been about living my life for others.”

Christianity “just seems to me like another religion at this point,” Sampson said...............................


FOR MORE DETAILS. PLEASE CLICK ON THE FOLLOWING LINK:.............................https://www.christianpost.com/news/hillsong-writer-reveals-hes-no-longer-a-christian-im-genuinely-losing-my-faith.html

So, what has he been writing and singing about?

So, he has been faking his conversion and lying all this while?

So, what convinced him from the start that Jesus was Lord to make him compose songs of praise to Him?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Idol worshippers invoking satan into Nigeria.

EnthronedbyGod:
Why are you so interested in knowing what the Jesus looks like when you aren't ready to accept Him as your Lord and personal saviour.

If you really want to know what the Jesus I saw looked like, go and read my thread on my visions of heaven, heavenly beings.

Stop trying so hard to discredit me.

No, I think he shd go and read the book of Revelation. Apst John described him there better.

MiddleDimension:
i think the point of his question is: what does the jesus you saw look like?

Why do you care?

BIBLESPEAKS:
It really is a mystery because it is illogical.

1cor 14:33 tells us: "God is not a God of disorder..."

It cannot be that his very identity will be mysterious to his children.

Jesus also taught complicated bible truths in simple terms and all were able to understand. could he also not have simplified the trinity to our understanding? Yet, in a prayer this is what he said about God's identity: "Father....this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." - John 17:1-3

Why do you think that the Truths of the Bible were complicated that needed the Lord to teach them in simple terms for us to understand?

This is the same complexities shrouding the Trinity that you consider disordered hence reject.

Let me explain something to you. people like the JW who do not subscribe to the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit always think physically (as in with their eyes) when they read the Word or reflect on it. They cannot see beyond what they see literary, hence portray God in their physical senses.
But, people who read and reflect on the Word of God Spiritually and think about God only on the basis of His essence think Spiritually. These class think of God base on His Essential attributes like omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternity, love, wisdom, mercy, grace, and so on.

They also acknowledge His emanating attributes from His divine essence, which
are the functions of creating, conserving, redeeming, saving, enlightening, guiding and instructing.
If we read the Old Testament, we see all these Attributes in YHWH, in the New Testament, we see them in Jesus and in the Holy Spirit.

All who think about God on the basis of how he is portrayed by the literal presentation of the Bible, come up with three gods, because they say, ‘One God (The Father) is the Creator and Preserver, the second (The Son) is the Redeemer and Savior, and the third (The Holy Ghost) is the Enlightener and Instructor.’


On the other hand, all who think about
God on the basis of his essence come up with one God, because they say, ‘God created us. God also redeems us and saves us, and he also enlightens and instructs us.’
“This is why people who think about the divine Trinity on the basis of how it is portrayed, (literary) and therefore think physically, cannot help coming up with three gods instead of one, based on the images in their physical kind of thinking. Nevertheless, contrary to their own thinking.

It'll help you if you can explain why Jesus whom you consider to be another Essence from YHWH, took all the divine Attributes of YHWH, like Father, Almighty, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, infinite, eternal, Light, Life, Love, Wisdom, Mercy, Conqueror, Alpha, Omega, Beginning and the End, Lord, Savior, Redeemer, Just Judge, Judgement. King of kings, Lord of lords etc.

When you are able to unravel these, you'd then know who Jesus truly is, but until then, you'd remain physical, seeing with your eyes not with your mind.

uboma:
The Trinity is not a biblical teaching.

How?

Bodydialect57:
Even if he has demons at his beck and call, God will surely thwart all his powers. He is just raging in vain.

Sure.

VRDroid:
Easier said.

The pervasive delusion is evident

You can say what you want. But, when we meet in the spirit realm the difference will show who is delusional, whether you who live a lie or I who believes the truth of Jesus.

Keep it up.

Bodydialect57:
Haba! Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass when the Lord hath not commanded it'? Lamentation 3:37?

Just don't mind dey marine operator hiding under the name of Jesus.

If the Lord Jesus deals with us thus, which of us shd've been saved?

He is just throwing threats everywhere like say na him go carry them out.

VRDroid:
Ofcourse, you are a slave of Lord Chronos.

I don't serve demons. They are beneath me.

The Law of Karma in Christianity?
No sir, the law of Karma is New Age and functions with reincarnation.

If you want to preach about retributive justice, call it 'The Golden Rule', not Karma.

Do not serve me the Way the heathens serve their gods. Says YHWH.

Deut 12:4.
You must not worship the LORD your God in their way.

12:31
[b]You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates.

They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
12:32
See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

Don't copy their language or terms. Karma works hand in hand with reincarnation, and we don't do reincarnation.