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|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 11:18pm On Aug 13|
I got questions for you.....
" Like them, the one who is
victorious will be dressed in white. And I
will never blot out his name from the book
of life, but I will confess his name before MY
FATHER and His angels."
** @Rev 3:5 , Jesus Christ is in heaven and calls his God "my Father", what's the Jesus "biblical meaning" of "my Father" ?
@2) Who gave Jesus the title "Lord?
Who exalted Jesus with a name above other name? Who bestowed glory on Jesus ?
Who resurrected Jesus?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 11:23pm On Aug 13|
Maximus69:After we have analyzed the Lord's prayer. Verse by verse. You first. Just tried it and see how Jw will be exposed.
Lolzzzzz. JW ans rheir evading tactics.
You started what you can't finish?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 11:35pm On Aug 13|
Maximus69:And what they are said to have committed is not verifiable?
So far, everything that people have accused watchtower organization has proven true or you want to argue with facts?
I am not going to be dragged into some arguements.
You brought up the Lord's prayer and how only the JW physically practicalises it, and how the world is seeing it's efficiency.
Now, Mr JW, pls physically analyze the Lord's prayer let's see what the Lord means physically and see how efficient it is.
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 11:39pm On Aug 13|
@Maximus69. Begin from 'Our Father', 'who is in heaven', hallowed or honour, be your name...
Let's see if Jehovah' witness honour the name of Jehovah.
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Maximus69: 11:45pm On Aug 13|
You know that prayer nah!
So tell me the benefits and leave the rest to me, JWs have taught me their own Theories, the Practical Applications and i'm seeing the Benefits Sir!
For your information, i've traveled to strange places and yet people i never knew in my life welcome me as their brother into their homes all because i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses like them. So it's evident that this group have formed one happy global family.
But if you're now accusing them, it's OK let's assume there is no one guilty of the same accusation in your own religion, right?
Just present the benefits of being a believer so that i go back and read my Bible to see if there is anything i'm missing as a believer. Period!
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Maximus69: 11:50pm On Aug 13|
Nah wah o!
E be like sey arguments just sweet your belle like die, abeg if your Jesus no get any benefits, it's better to stay with my JEHOVAH o!
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Dafemich(m): 12:52am On Aug 14|
Janosky:So because the Father is superior means they are not the same. The fact that the Father is superior, doesn't mean that they are not one and the same.
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 2:15am On Aug 14|
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 9:13am On Aug 14|
Maximus69:Just Negodu!!!!!!. You jumped on my post when you are empty.
I didn't say we won't talk about the Benefits of being a follower of Christ, I said let's finish up what you started, you dey run around dey make noise.
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 10:02am On Aug 14|
Maximus69:You said this ^^^^, and I said Since only JW can prove to observers the efficiency of Jesus prayer physically, let us, you and I analyze it. You do so Physically and I wld do it Spiritually, let's see the message it has for your so called observers.
What the bolded signify is that, JW are men-pleasers. They carry bags and argue scriptures unendingly for their observers to applaud and say, weldone, only you are true Christians. Sadly, only JW's tell themselves that. lolzzzzz.
Maximus69:No, I don't know how physical portrayal of the Lord's Prayer can be efficient in the life of a Christian, this is why I want you to tell me. Pls don't assume I know.
Maximus69:After we finish the Lord's prayer.
Maximus69:Correct!!!!!!!!. This is the typical picture of what JW is about. That is your own definition of Love abi?
JW claim you follow Jehovah, Abraham did too, but he entertained people he never knew whether they worshipped his God or not. Lot did the same, wld JW do the same except they know it's their own?
Wld they have accepted you into their homes if you were a Catholic or an Evangelical? Is this the kind of Love Jesus preachd and passed down to us?
Do you even have the slightest idea of what 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself' means?
Let me give you a little story. I grew up seeing my father who was a Catholic Knight hosting an Assembly's of God pastors in our house until they built a parish for their pastors.
My Dad after building his house, gave out a room to Assembly's of God for free. The pastors were cared for by us. Not that Assembly's of God members didn't have good enough houses to host their pastors, but it was my Catholic father who did.
Can a JW do that for a Catholic Church to house their Priests? Can a JW open their doors to a hungry traveling Catholic Priest or a Pentecostal Pastor?
Clap for yourself for this SELF-ish analogy you just gave.
Maximus69:What did I accuse them of?
Do you even remember we're still talking abt Trinity here?
You JW see Jehovah as being a different entity from Jesus, and the Holy Spirit does not exist sef, and I said you guys do this because of your physical portrayal of the Word of God. You jumped on me. Now you're claiming i accused JW. How did I do that?
Maximus69:Lol. You don't call the shots here Maximus69, you don't. You jumped on my post without even understanding what I meant, so you'd follow sequence. We are not done here.
Maximus69 how can a physical portrayal of the Lord's Prayer affect a Christian's life positively?
When the Lord said, 'Our Father', did He mean that Jehovah is a father only to the Jehovah's Witnesses? Pls tell me.
I wish you'd try analyzing this model prayer and see how Jehovah' Witnesses heresy will be exposed.
Oga Until you treat this, you won't go further to anything else. You can run off tho.
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Emusan(m): 10:46am On Aug 14|
There's a single interpretation of Trinity, it's people like you who always give it different interpretations to fight against it due to lack of knowledge.
I don't still understand why the Bible will imply 2 beings when talking about the father and son by saying: "He (son) is the exact representation of his (father) very being."
Only if you can understand it through the lens of "human being" you're using as reference here.
Your Dad is a person and You are a person too, then can we say you're a exact representation of your Dad very being?
Mind you, "Being" here refers to common word as "human being"
In fact, this is one of the verse that supported the deity of Jesus.
God's "being" is different from Angel's "being" from human "being" likewise Angel's "being" if different from human "being" from Animal "being"
So the test proves that The Word who was revealed to us as Son existed in the very "Being" of the Father.
This was also reemphasise by Apostle Paul in Phil 2:6 "who though he existed in the form of God..."
Which God was it referring to here, the Father or who?
according to modern dictionaries every human creature is a human being because he exists. Every person is a being because he exists. The word "being" simply means "to be in existence." Based on this I cannot see how the son and the father can be 2 persons but one being.
You didn't get it, the word "HUMAN" is what distinguished our being from other "beings"
You are a being, your Dad also is a being but two of you are HUMAN yet different persons.
"Being" is the form in which person exists.
This is my major objection to Trinitarianism. It depends on a distinction between “person” and “being” that is not articulated in Scripture.
It's well articulated in the scripture just that you couldn't pay attention to grab it.
The Father is a person, the form/Nature the Father exists is called GOD.
In man terminology there are different beings in the universe:
So the Word was the exact representation of the Father Being...
Also i believe that one of the biggest problems with the orthodox doctrine of Christ is that it is unintelligible and results in a person who is both A and non-A at the same time.
Your failure to understand that spirit being are different from human being and that spirit can dwell in the human flesh is what result to this poor reasoning.
The example you gave was about TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL FLESH...Whereas, the incarnation simply means the Divine person(who is a spirit) DWELLS in the Physical body born by Mary.
You have a physical body
You also have a spirit
Non-Trinitarians such as myself and others don’t necessarily reject the idea of believing in something that one might call “mysterious” but we have a problem believing in that which is logically impossible. Well, reason is part of the image of God that he stamped upon us to enable us to determine what is true and what is not true,
Trinity is to solve the complexity of the question you asked below which I'll explain.
and I can’t imagine why we’d discard that attribute when asking the most important question of all: Who/what is God?
If not for Trinity doctrine the New Testament writers would have greatly projected a polytheistic view of God for Christianity which is really contradictory to the concept of God revealed in the Old Testament.
According to the question you asked: "Who/what is God?"
In man's understand and concept of God.
God is a self existence person, very powerful, the CREATOR of ALL THINGS.
Now having know these attributes solely belong to entity/being called God...it will be contradictory to find this same attributes being applied to anotherbeing/person.
Reading through the scripture you'll see these attributes being applied for both the Holy Spirit and The Word of God which we know as Jesus Christ.
So that's why the concept of Trinity was brought up to solve this.
Unless you want to deny that in the Bible you carry:
>Holy Spirit was not described as self existence person (even people like JWs know this that's why they can only deny the PERSON of the Holy Spirit...
>Holy Spirit was not part of the creation process...
Likewise The Word of God (Jesus Christ)!
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by PrincewithGod(m): 11:28am On Aug 14|
Why are we going up and down on this issue of Trinity when the answer is in us? We are made in the image of God, so we are trinity: Body, Soul and Spirit. So is God: Father, Word and Spirit (1John 5 : 7). The Word was made flesh (John 1 : 14) whom was named JESUS, The CHRIST.
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by jubianose(m): 2:05pm On Aug 14|
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Maximus69: 2:06pm On Aug 14|
It's the Benefit that matters now Sir!
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 2:09pm On Aug 14|
Maximus69:For the first time, a JW runs from a fight.
Go in peace, and remember not to jump into discussions if you don't understand the content of it.
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Maximus69: 2:09pm On Aug 14|
Let the Benefits speak for Trinity Sir! Matthew 5:14-16
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Maximus69: 2:12pm On Aug 14|
We are Jehovah's Witnesses, our understanding of the scriptures is PROGESSIVE not stagnant Sir! Philippians 2:14, 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by jubianose(m): 2:13pm On Aug 14|
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by jubianose(m): 2:16pm On Aug 14|
Hi dear Ana,
My dear take am easy oo
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Maximus69: 2:43pm On Aug 14|
Instead of saying for the first time a true Christian perfected the Practical Application of what's written in the Bible! 1Timothy 6:4, Philippians 2:14, Titus 3:9
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 3:21pm On Aug 14|
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Peacefullove: 7:17pm On Aug 14|
If God was manifest in flesh , Does that not mean Mary is the Mother of God ?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Peacefullove: 7:23pm On Aug 14|
U fail to think before you type this garbage
Since animals have Body, soul, spirit , Can we say they are in the image of God ?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Peacefullove: 7:25pm On Aug 14|
Does Gods being refers to Gods nature ?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Peacefullove: 7:27pm On Aug 14|
In what sense are they the same ?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Peacefullove: 7:38pm On Aug 14|
Son would indicate a beginning , Father exist before son, agree ?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 8:03pm On Aug 14|
jubianose:Hello dearie. See as that guy jump enter my space like mosquito?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 8:05pm On Aug 14|
Maximus69:So why didn't you display your progressive understanding of Scriptures by analyzing Our Lord's prayer?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Shepherd00: 8:11pm On Aug 14|
Peacefullove:Before I answer this your question, pls explain what you understand by that scripture.
What does it mean?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Shepherd00: 8:13pm On Aug 14|
Peacefullove:Pls can you show where God says animals have body, soul and spirits?
|Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Anas09: 8:36pm On Aug 14|
Maximus69:A master of arguments is avoiding argument? No, you know you'd be crushed if you dare, hence you ran off claiming you are avoiding arguments. What have you been doing since you registered your account in Nairaland if not arguing?
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