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jcross19:
in some part of India they see pre- marital sex as indecent state of life, but these people are not even a christian still they maintain such custom because of their ancestors believed it as sin against their nature due to how their conscience spoke to them it turned to be custom. there is nothing like hell fire please God knows how to judge His creation .

There's definitely a HELLFIRE, The Lord Jesus never minced words about it.


You don't believe it, won't change it. If there's no Hellfire then, there's no heaven too.

Where will God put satan when He judges evil? Or there's no Judgement too?

I do not want to derail this thread.

paxonel:
you dont know what fornication means according to these scriptures you quoted.

Fornication can never be the same thing as not paying pride price ,there is no way you can explain it that it will correlate
you just twisted scriptures, it shows you dont know the meaning of fornication
its not me that said so.
I cant be God himself to say that.

My own is, i am not in position to condemn homosexuals if God is not raining fire and brimstone on them this modern day.

Okay.

jcross19:
adultery and formication are not even the problem but the love of God and your neighbour which come first on the law of God are missing in our society today what we are talking about is sexuality .why?

Well, bros, that is the Op. I didn't just come up here talking abt this. I'm responding to a question.

Long time. Happy New Years.

paxonel:
did you quote it from scriptures to acertain it was the laws of God?

No you did not

So you have never come across where we are warned against fornication in the Bible?

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1 Corinthians:7:2

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts:15:20

You can hail yourself or tell that your friend to pad you on the back when you're done twisting the Word to suit you.

One of these you'd say Homosexuality is accepted and approved by God.

paxonel:
prove this from scriptures i will agree with you that paying bride price and inviting family is a must before one can say they are husband and wife .

When Adam called Eve the flesh of my flesh and the bone of my bone who were their parents?

The last time i checked God brought Eve to Adam and called her wife and Adam husband.

Look, this is getting too Childish. Wow.

Enjoy your immotility, but note that even satan will not agree with you that fornication is not a sin.

Carry on.

paxonel:
the last time i checked this is what my dictionary gave me.

SEXUALITY
: the quality or state of being sexual:
a : the condition of having sex
b : sexual activity
c : expression of sexual receptivity or interest especially when excessive.

How do you explain b above?

I think your problem is comprehension. Read what i posted and what the dictionary says

tartar9:
wawuu,touching.Anas09 you too can do it

I'm just seeing this. I too can do what?

budaatum:
Because I wanted to, Anas. The person I responded to got my message.

Whatever.

amyblessed:
�So many jim jim brothers and sisters have been reduced to a piece of bread through sexual immorality. Will you allow sexual immorality sap your spiritual strength and ruin your relationship with God?
�So many glorious futures and destinies have been ruined and exchanged on the altar of sexual immorality. Will you allow sexual immorality ruin your destiny?
�So many beautiful dreams have been shattered on the altar of sexual immorality. Will you allow sexual immorality shatter your dreams?
�Many young men and women have lost their joy and happiness, and are in pains and regrets because they could not hold themselves from a few minutes pleasure. Will you allow sexual immorality take away your joy or happiness and put you in regrets?
�Many people have destroyed what they have laboured to build over the years on the altar of sexual immorality. Will you destroy your labour over the years in a few minutes of pleasure?
�Many people have had their budding lives plucked untimely by sexual immorality. Will you allow sexual immorality pluck your life untimely like an unripe fruit?
�Many people have found themselves in hell because of sexual immorality. Will you allow sexual immorality take you to hell?
Don't allow sexual immorality ruin your life. Guard your life and future jealously from the destructive fangs of sexual immorality.

Sexual immortality is not the only sin which kills the spirit. Pride is most damning.

paxonel:
So,what if the couple cannot afford the bride price and ceremony, marriage will be suspended till anytime they can afford it?

That is ridiculous tradition

I asked if you were a Christian, you said of course, but here you are calling the laws of God ridiculous. Hmmm.

Your Speech is betraying you big time.

[quote author=budaatum post=75442027][/quote]So?

frosbel2:
Just thank God I don't have as much time as I did last month.
I will be back - not long

I'm Shaking with fear. Be sure to meet me here, and pray i have time too.

MrNipplesLover:
no mind dem. make dem dey act all holy/saint.


I hail u, bro.

You'll hail him to hellfire.

paxonel:
the truth is, they have ultered what was suppose to be from the beginning by their traditional and religious beliefs.

When someone is already 18+ why treating him or her like a child. Why are they preventing people from freely expressing their sexual desires saying until they are wedded?

Bible says whoever finds a wife finds a good thing, not whoever weds a wife wedded a good thing.

Read all the posts, only you mentioned wedding. This is about sex before dowry is paid.

If you ask a woman to be your wife, you take your parents to her family and a token is exchanged witnessed by your family and hers, if it's accepted, marriage has been covenanted.

In the absence of this, if you go into her sexually, you have committed fornication.

Wedding is not marriage.

MrNipplesLover:
problem with some of these preachers in this thread is that they wanna look like God in the eyes of the OP.


someone is feeling hot, she's not married yet, so what should she do?

make the pastors preaching since morning should answer the question.

Don't be afraid to mention someone directly.

If she is a Christian, she shd have come by this word 'Selfcontrol'. It's not written in the Bible for fancy.

If she cannot control herself, then let her marry.

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1 Corinthians:7:2

Marry or get busy with service to God and humanity, the urge will die down.

MrNipplesLover:
op, I'm quoting you cos it is you I am replying to, not these people acting all saints here.
don't be surprised that SOME of those quoting Bible verses could be masters of masturbation and fornication when it is quiet (though, I don't judge people cos I ain't God).


my own for u is that, whichever one u find pleases u, is what u should do.
I don't see masturbation as a sin, but, as it is widely known, it is not good for your body when it becomes to much.
pre-marital sex is ur choice. but, best done with ur partner if u are a religious person.
look, when u start accepting that what you are doing is a sin, then it becomes a sin. so, you stop it. cos ur heart is what God has business with (these religious people are ignoring this).

God doesn't judge the way people are addressing it.

example:
someone who is a fornicator/prostitute, according to the Holy books, if he/she doesn't deviate in time, he/she shall perish. but if he/she repents and deviates from the act, God shall Forgive him/her and accept them.

if this is true, I don't know what these pastors or Alfas have been saying here since morning.

You just kicked yourself both sides.

You just condemned fornication but at the same time recommended it.
We are religous people, we may slip, fall back into it, but we know that it is a sin.

If you are irreligious, do her a favour and don't muddle her up by telling her to commit sin but don't see it as sin. Whether or not she sees it as sin, when she stands before God and her book is opened, if fornication is written there, it wont be excused her based on her ignorance.

She didn't create the world, she didn't make the rules, she can't choose which one to accept or reject.

Oh, well. she is free to choose to see sin as not sin, but she is not free from its consequences.

paxonel:
it is better you point where you did not understand o.
When i said sexuality i wasnt referring sins people commit like fornication and adultery.
I was referring to what people do during sex such as kissing, masturbation, intercourse.

We all know that if anyone commit adultery he has attracted punishment from God.

But husband and wife kissing and romancing? God is not interested.
Even me as a human if i see a man kissing his wife i will pretend as if i did not see and walk away, i am not interested. how much more God?
Do you think God is there to pognose on people matter?

Your explanation of Sexuality here means you don't know what it means. Sexuality has nothing to do with intercouse or pre-intimacy.
Sexuality is a state of being. A condition. Your habits or desires with regards to sex. e.g for example, homo, lesbians, pedophiles, Necrophiliacs, and those who love to have sex with animals, and those who prefer masturbation only.

paxonel:
sexuality that has to do with gay and lesbians?
Thats not what we were talking about.
We were talking about masturbation.

And moreover, how many gay and lesbians today has God rain fire and brimstone on them from heaven?

So you see, what God will do in time past he will not do them today. he killed someone and took his wife which was wrong, it has nothing to do with his sexuality

God does not need to rain Fire on anyone any more, the white Throne Judgement is awaiting them.

This New covenant speaks differently from the old. But, don't think that evil will go unpunished.

paxonel:
it is still subjected to your choice. If you like dont have sex until you are wedded, it will be wrong for the guy to make you do otherwise beyond your wish.
But if some other girls are convinced enough to have sex with their spouse please dont condemn them.
exactly!
Is it what i wish or what the Master wishes? See, this is why i asked if you were a Christian. Becos, a Christian is a servant who does what his or her Master wishes.

So, again, are you a servant of Christ?
[quote author=paxonel post=75414673]A lot of us dont understand that we have the power and rights to decide for ourselves.

Power and right to decide what to do or which commandments to obey abi?

paxonel:
The only institution God has approved is your heart
christianity was not even practiced in the old testament when God was endorsing relationships
i dont no, it can happen unconsciously
sooner or later, you will realise that.
my guy, satan na small small boy
that is not issue at all.

WTH is this? How does this relate to Fornication?

paxonel:
when you love yourselves there are no situation you two cannot overcome together. All you need is the will.
You know what scriptures says?
Perfect love cast out fears

In other words the institution of Marriage does not exist in your dictionary?

frosbel2:
How old are you ? 2 years ??

Yeah, am a 2yrs who is kicking your behind. You shd be ashamed.

budaatum:
Frosbel, I think we need to fight this sort of Christianity that claims to desire to eliminate you o! After they finish eliminating you, they might come after me too and only those they manage to force to accept their version of Christianity will be allowed to live.

Saying that, thank God we are already fighting them already except we perhaps mistakenly call them boko haram!

Why did you quote me yet addressed Frosbel?

budaatum:
If it isn't, why advocate it

Am i? How?

paxonel:
of course yes, i am a christian.

Okay. Pls what makes a person a Christian?

paxonel:
I understand that christianity is not on earth to change the system of things but to change the person. Because when the person is changed the system of things will be changed as well.
But if our target is to control and change the system of things and ignore the person, we will miss the point.

I like it when you say 'I understand Christianity...'. That is your personal understanding and it'll be safe to keep it that way. Humans builds the system, so the system is not an entity. And i don't see the relevance of this.

paxonel:
Wedding is a system of things that are generally accepted. Personally i love weddings, but wedding alone does not guarantee a successful marriage, a changed couple do.

This is not about Wedding, but marriage. Marriage is a Covenant, but wedding is a ceremony.

In marriage there is a token, which is Dowry, an exchange involving two families becoming as one.
Marriage can take place without a wedding ceremony.

If the Dowry is paid, as in the case of Isaac and Rebecca, marriage is covenanted.

paxonel:
If only we are changed enough to see every relationships(be it bf and gf or whatever) as marriage, marital issues in christianity will be reduced to the minimum.

Changed from what the Bible teaches? Is there anything like Boy friend, girl friend before God? You want us to see Boyfriend and girlfriend as marriage?

paxonel:
But if a christian man says i will not be faith until i pay her bride price or wed the girl, or the girl says i will not be faithful to the guy afterall he is yet to wed me or pay my bride price. Both of them are just being foolish.

Pls will you be angry if i asked if you are a teenager?

Wow.

paxonel:
hmmm! Asexuality
You are right anyway

Not Asexuality, that was a miss type. i meant to type Sexuality.

jesusjnr:
Sex was intended by God the creator of Man to be the exclusive preserve of married couples(husband and wife), hence any sex outside marriage is a sin.

And i'm of the opinion that if two people, man and woman, have truly decided to become joined together as one flesh and married in that respect, that trust themselves enough to be committed to that union till death do them part, then they can begin to have sex, and it would be applicable to the way God made it to be.

However there's the danger of possible abuse arising from commitments as such that are not binding, so when that is factored into the equation, it perhaps makes a strong case for the formal procedure of marriage to be followed first, before the couples can begin to have sex.

So definitely sex outside of marriage is definitely a sin, and can be equated to adultery in the respect that every man or woman that has sex with any member of the opposite sex that they do marry, is the husband or wife of someone else in advance, so it could be said to be adultery in advance.

But when it comes to masturbation, it is also a sin, but only in the sense of lust, and of the heart. For even though the person concerned may not have physically slept with someone else's marriage partner, present or future, the person has already committed adultery in his/her heart in that respect according to Jesus, and so to that extent has sinned.

So although it may not be a sin at the level of the laws of righteousness, it is a sin at the level of the laws of perfection that applies in the Kingdom of God which Jesus brought to humanity, which are intended to make humans perfect even as God is.

So bottom line both are sins at different levels, so even if one finds him or herself having to decide between the two, hence go for masturbation which is a lesser sin of the two, it's important that one does not settle for such, for it's a sin of the heart, according to Jesus and hence it's not perfect, because it involves lust.

And so such a person should aspire to come to the level of that saying of Jesus where they are obedient to God even at the heart level, for with God who gave that commandment it is possible.

See? You heed my advise and took your meds. Your sense don dey correct. Keep it up.

paxonel:
i did not say sexual life, i said sexuality. They are two different things

I hope you know that 'Asexuality' is not the same thing as sexual act?

They mean different things

paxonel:
it is natural to be excited when it comes to sexuality
adultery in bible days was cheating on your spouse whether you people are wedded or not, check your bible

You said 'In Bible days'. Meaning it no longer apply together?

paxonel:
it is natural to be excited when it comes to sexuality
adultery in bible days was cheating on your spouse whether you people are wedded or not, check your bible

Pls help me with the Scriptures.

paxonel:
in summary, anything you do that has negative impact on you and other people is sin.
I still dont get it, how does a couple not wedded and having sex becomes a negative impact the couple themselves and other people?
Do you realize that Isaac and rebecah did not wed but it was recorded that isaac to her in the moment he saw her and she became his wife?

Pls answer me yes or no.

Are you a Christian?

paxonel:
you can do that based on trust. Not with a guy you know is not trust worthy.
Marriage is based on trust and not on wedding ceremonies.

But of course. For me to accept his proposal and begin marriage preparation, i must trust him nah.
So, i can have sex with him abi?

Okay, sir, from which stand point are you giving this counsel? From Jehovah's or yours?

You mean sex outside or before marriage is not a sin, but Jesus said 'Thou shall not commit adultery not even by thinking it in your mind? What is sexual immortality?

paxonel:
you have the free will not to do it, but dont condemn those who are still doing it, it is natural thats what i am saying.

So, it depends on what i want, not what He who instituted marriage says?

Do you realize that this Op asked this question from the Christian perspective not nature?

paxonel:
whether you like it or not, the moment you find yourself stimulating your genitals at any point(whether you are sleeping or conscious) you have masturbated. Everyone do it

Wait, you stimulate yourself while asleep?

And, what makes you think everyone does it? I don't do it, so pls speak for yourself and stop generalizing.

Guy, it's obvious you do not know what SEX is. Marriage is a very serious covenant and what binds it is Sex. Sex unites and seals soul in the Spirit realm.

You don't know what it is, but satan knows, that is why he makes people commit fornication freely. If you know what happens in the spirit realm when you fuse your soul with another's. You become Distinguishably One. Distinguishable, but not divisible. And these two shall become One flesh You inherit whatever is the lot of the other. If he is cursed, you become cursed, if she is blessed, you become blessed.

Oh, Lord help these people.

No wonder people are so conflicted and damaged. Multiple sex partners with a long line of curses they inherited and transfered.

MuttleyLaff:
What you read in the double inverted commas quotation are exactly Bishop David Oyedepo's words verbatim and from the horse mouth

What is my own to sway you.
If a crooked stick is before anyone, you need not convict them how crooked it is. Just lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done. Explain the truth, and the error of the way will be put out

1/ You seem obsessively attachment to 10%, so please can you give me an authentic and biblical reasons why you strongly are fixated to giving this particularly specified regular without failing 10%?
2/ Also what is the rationale for sticking to 10% and never doing another other percentages?
3/ Is your adherence following an Abrahamic style of tithing or it is a Levitical style of tithing?
4/ I took a leap of faith, I stopped giving tithe and hadnt had cause to look back in regret ever since I took that decision, can you or are you scared of something if you too do?

My brother make we lif dis mata. notin go change.
Jesus is my High Priest, i shall pay my tithe to Him and i do this in freedom, not compulsion.

Goshen360:
Let's first understand somethings hopefully we agree:

Sin as used in scripture is a noun and also a verb meaning, as a nature or as an act. So when you quote a verse you should endeavor to understand what the context is saying.

Yes agreed that Sin is both an essence or an underlying reality which is a Nature, and also a manifestation, which is an Act.

Without a Manifestation of a thing, then that thing is not real. That said, the fact remains that anyone who walks in sin, 'i mean after being redeemed', is exposed to be vulnerable, hence looses his/her position to command satan or demons and be obeyed.

Goshen360:
2. What happened to...."in my name, they shall cast out demons..."?

Who was the Lord directing this to? The diunbelieve? Those who take his Words with levity or those who live in reverence to His words and ways? My answer will be the later.

Everyone around today makes demons and commands demons in the name of Jesus, but how many of them get results? Why is the name of Jesus not working for them? Could it be that their authority is compromised by secrete and unconfessed sins?

Goshen360:
3. The event in Acts you quoted was actually dealt with in the video....I don't know if you watched the whole video. The verse you quoted explained itself....those people couldn't cast the demon out not because Jesus name wasn't powerful but because THEY HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD JESUS

Aren't you consenting to what Papa said? Can you say a man who disobeys the Word/Teachings of Jesus by taking side with His enemy and adulterating the covenant is in a relationship with Him?

Can two walk/work together except they agree? No.

A relationship is a covenant, and every covenant has it's terms, and if those terms are flaunted by one party, there'll be a bridge. A sinner or someone who lives in sin is against the Divine Design which is Jesus Himself, hence cannot be in a relationship with Him. So, yes, the Sons of Sceva were sinners who did not have a relationship with the Master, so missed it.

Goshen360:
4. The Disciples of Jesus couldn't cast out demons too BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF but they have relationship with Jesus. Jesus said it was unbelieve in them not their sin (act or verb)

In the case of the Disciples two things were involved.
1. Lack of adequate information.
2. Spiritual growth.

Point 1. From the response of the Lord when he came, we gather that, demons are in different categories hence we need to know how to handle them. He said 'This kind' goeth not out except by Fasting and Prayers on the part of the Apostles. The question is, 'Which kind' was He talking abt? Probably a Principality who took the host with the permission of the host or a parent.

So, the Apostles lack adequate information to the fact that not every demon comes out by just commanding it.

Secondly, I talked about knowledge and understanding of the Believer's authority. If a believer knows who he is in Christ, he will know what Jesus did to demons. He will know power has been given to him to dominate and command those foul spirits and they'll obey.

In Luke 9:1 we see that the Lord gave his Disciples power over the unclean Spirits and sent them out to preach the gospel and heal the sick and cast the demons out.

In chapter 10: 17 this is what happened. And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luke:10:17. Why weren't the demons resisting arrest here? Power.

Again, pls note that, the case of the Disciples is not the same case with us now. Or, the Disciples before Pentecost were no longer the same after Pentecost.

When this happened, the Lord was still bodily present with the Disciples. The Holy Spirit which emboldens had not yet taken residence inside of the Disciples. After Pentecost, did we ever hear of a demon resisting arrest? No, why not? Growth, Power, authority and the Knowledge to apply them.

Goshen360:
5. It is was an issue of sin (act) Adeboye himself will not be qualified to cast out demons and sin (act) is not greater than the finished works of Christ because CHRIST dealt with the sin nature or noun.

Yes, Christ dealt with the issue of sin. But, if a believer lives in sin, Yes, we can't call him a sinner tho, but wouldn't his spiritual authority be compromised? Can he have the boldness to tell satan to get lost when in his hands he bears the items belonging to his kingdom?

And, i also said there are other factors that can keep a believer from casting out demons. But basically its either compromised authority or fear which comes with ignorance.

And i hope you know that fear is a sin, and ignorance is not an excuse?