"Tithing is an inescapable covenant obligation. You can’t escape poverty if you don’t pay your tithes. Rather, you come under a curse because God says ye are robbing Him (Malachi 3:5). The tithe is God’s. So no matter how much you give in other areas, if your tithe is out of place, you will still come under a curse, because you are robbing God. It is the master key to enjoying financial fortune" - Bishop David Oyedepo
I am not trying to cause a chasm between you and the beloved Bishop David Oyedepo but now that you have watched the above YouTube video and read the double inverted commas by him, what honestly, truthfully and sincerely retrospectively have you to say about them.
I have another video, that I believe the Holy Spirit made Bishop David Oyedepo make but he was oblivious of the message in it
Just like you, I too used to be responsible for totalling up tithe & offering giving but after seeing the light, I stopped religiously doing tithe giving and started cheerful giving many moons ago, that is to say a very long time ago, and I have never for a moment ever lacked anything, be it health, financial, wisdom, material or otherwise. Glory be to God, in leaps and bounds, it has been blessings, divine assistance, favour, breakthroughs and the miraculous all the way through to date.
You quoted Malachi but said Oyedepo said it?
Sir. I am not a Pastor follower, i am a Bible studying believer, so you can't sway me when i'm convicted of a thing.
He never laid a curse on anyone, he simply quoted the Bible. There's notthing he said there that i can't find in the Bible. Good, you give cheerfully and receive, i pay tithe and also give cheerfully and i get dangerously blessed too. The most important thing is we receive when we give. As long as i live, i will pay my Tithe to my Eternal High Priest. Whether i give it to the orphans, or widows, or begers, so long as it is my 10% income, i give it to Jesus. But i'll more likely give that in the Church and give Cheerfully to others.
Goshen360: Please make a more convincing debate from scripture and
2, Why do Pastor Adeboye makes it look like Sinlessness is the or a requirement for casting out demons
Let's first establish that Sin is the seed of Satan, just like Love is God. If you live in sin, satan has a hold over you, hence you can't command him. A servant cannot command his master.
So, I think what Pa Adeboye means is, it takes Spiritual maturity to live a sin free life, then exercise authority over unclean spirits.
Again, one may be spiritually mature, as in, over come sin, but lacks Knowledge of who and what these spirits are, how they operate, so needs knowledge and with this knowledge comes Sanctification.
Again, when you still meddle and share in the table of demons, you and them are on the same side, automatically, you loose your boldness before them. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1 Corinthians:10:21.
A man who lives in sin is spiritually weak and vulnerable, hence, has no authority to cast demons out.
Let's see what The Lord Jesus said ...how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. Matthew:12:29
What this means is that, for you to cast a demon out of someone, you must be stronger than the demon.
And Jesus asked a question in Matth 12:27 'Can satan cast out satan?'. The answer is no. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Sin is the life and nature of satan. If you live in sin, of what power will you cast demons out with? The Power of the Holy Spirit you disobey?
Again do you remember the Sons Sceva? They lived in sin yet attempted to cast out demons, what happened? The demons demanded to know their identity and authority to cast them out.
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? Acts:19:13, 15
Question is, why will the demons obey Jesus and Paul but not these Men?
So, yes, i will go with Papa, that SinlessAgainwhich breeds growth (Faith and courage/boldness), and Knowledge of the Believer's authority puts him in a position to cast out demons
samijay8: For me religion isn't a negative stuff but in Africa it's over negative. I don't think I remember hearing Ben Carson at same age as this boys preaching around the city
You shd go to YouTube boys as young as 4yrs and are doing it. White kids o. Not even blacks.
CodeTemplar: Thank you sir. Christians invented electricity and virtually all good things we see today but our gods have upgraded from demanding pepper soup sacrifice to human ones and some confused souls want us to go back to that system of backwards life. No wonder our politicians who serve these gods secretly have finished us with corruption.
No be small o. All our Politicians are in Ogboni. And, Ogboni is the physical congregation of The African Traditional Religion believers.
CodeTemplar: Isaac Newton, not Isa Newton. Micheal Faraday, not Mukaila Faraday. Thomas Edison, not Tiamiu Edison. Nicolas Copernicus, not Nasir Copericus. Johannes Kepler, not Jubrin or Jubril Kepler. Galileo Galilei, not jelili jemila. Albert Einstein, not Aboubakar Einstein.
Black man and follow follow attitude. Their fore fathers who advanced their society to 99% of what we see today were practicing Christians and not followers of some corner corner gods demanding pepper soup ingredient as sacrifice every Saturday like they are spirit of enjoyment.
lolzzzz@ Corner corner gods demanding for pepper soup ingredient'.
ScotFree: The Stupidity of the African Man!! At this early age, they are already calcifying the brain of this child and killing his reason. He'll grow up indoctrinated and without a mind of his own.
Let the child grow up as a child, learn, study, explore and do great exploits in reasonable and profitable ventures of life. Not this religious shit. Look at his father there, still looking poor after the many years of street preaching. Nothing to show for it. Yet he is bringing his child to be just like him...a loser. Meanwhile, the pastors that sent them into the streets, are at home chilling and enjoying the millions in his coffers from the collective contributions of their poor worshippers.
When will Africa be truly liberated. The whites aren't breaking scientific and economical grounds with religion.
If he was dancing sheku with a stick of cigarette, you'd hail him abi?
Demons hating on Christ from Adam.
You Who is not preaching the gospel, how many scientific and economic grounds have you broken?
Aren't you sleeping at Betting centers hoping you'd used 100 naira to win 100 Million Naira? Present your achievements as an atheist. Lazy Yoot.
Derbiy: if the video was of a little guy dancing the latest zanku moves, you will he hailing him. but he is preaching the gospel and everyone is spewing rusbbish. I wonder what generation you want to breed
Its not them talking actually, it's demons which take their bodies as hosts. Satan hates to see Christ magnified. They are attacking the child because he is a Christian, if he were a Child suicide bomber, you won't get this reaction.
See how they attack pastors, but watch them attack politicians you won't see. Demons are on one side.
MuttleyLaff: I am glad you aware of what religiously believers truly are expected to do
Biblically speaking, "Giving Cheerfully" means, you, decide in your heart yourself, how much to give, and you never give reluctantly or in response to pressure. You don't feel sorry that you must give or feel sorry that you cant afford to give. You dont, out of necessity give, you dont under compulsion give. The reason for all those, being that God wants people to be free spirited and give in good and not troubled spirits. God has set every believer free, to be independent and not be limited by human traditions or constrained by convention
Now tell: 1/ Is the tithe you give an imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving? 2/ Is this 10% you religiously give, so decided in your heart and you are not coerced, being forced to give, aren't getting threatened with fear of curses, calamity or misfortune if not participating in this imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving?
1. Tithe is not imposed on me because no one demands to know if i pay my tithe or not. And, many people don't pay tithe and it's not a criteria for membership in my Church. There's no register to note who pays and who doesn't.
I would know if there is, because i count offering in my Church.
2. I saw 100% in the Bible and i also saw that i give to Jesus my Eternal High Priest, not to a man. And, no one threatens me with curses of calamities. I have never been coerced to give. The day I hear Bishop Oyedepo threaten people with Calamity to pay Tithe, i'll leave Living Faith. If you have heard him, pls let me see.
3. And i monetize my tithe because i live in the city, i am not a farmer. And i get blessed abundantly for tithing, if it's obsolete why then am i being blessed?
Especially in my health. You don't want know what my health was like before i became a faithful tither.
I shall rebuke the devourer works for me like fire. Do you know how much medication was taking me before now?
Pls bros, you don't do it, it's okay. I see it's benefits i will keep doing it.
Life, both in Heaven and on earth is ruled on giving. If you give, you'd receive. So long as your motives are genuine, you'd receive.
frosbel2: "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth" - Matthew 13:41-42
I thought your Op is about the present world government?
This boy is high on cheap glue.
If you want us to talk abt your fate in the AfterLife, we can do that, but now it's abt now.
Hey, go and sleep off that cheap glue you sniffed.
frosbel2: How do I know, you are the expert. Tell me !
You were a Christian for 20yrs. You shd know. You boasted and said you know scriptures inside out. So, go ahead prove that the Catholic Church acted based on the teachings of Jesus.
paxonel: he is not! seriously, there are no scriptures having God teaching any of his creation how to be sexually involved, we all learn that by our natural attraction to the same species or kind, and detate by ourselves how to go about it
Why are you opening your big teeth if what you're saying is true?
Does thou shall not commit adultery whether physically or by looking to lust in your heart in your Bible? Do you even use a Bible?
paxonel: The phrase pre-marital sex is confusing people. There is nothing like pre-marital sex in reality, why will you have sex when you are not ready to be committed in a relationship in the first place? Anyone who has identified and take a partner should take him or her very seriously like marriage, there is no other time for marriage but that moment the relationship commences.
As for masturbation, lets seperate religion from nature and reality we all have our decisions to take when it comes to sexuality, God is not interested. it has been proven by enthomologists that even insects masturbate which is a characteristics of the animal kingdom, are humans not higher animals too? Why is religion fighting God and nature?
Masturbation should be temporary, Having a partner(wedded or not )should be permanent
So it's not a sin to have sex with an unwedded partner? Is your God by any means Jesus of Nazareth?
paxonel: The phrase pre-marital sex is confusing people. There is nothing like pre-marital sex in reality, why will you have sex when you are not ready to be committed in a relationship in the first place? Anyone who has identified and take a partner should take him or her very seriously like marriage, there is no other time for marriage but that moment the relationship commences.
As for masturbation, lets seperate religion from nature and reality we all have our decisions to take when it comes to sexuality, God is not interested. it has been proven by enthomologists that even insects masturbate which is a characteristics of the animal kingdom, are humans not higher animals too? Why is religion fighting God and nature?
Masturbation should be temporary, Having a partner(wedded or not )should be permanent
So as a Christian if a man proposes to me and i know we shall get married because the arrangement is on going i can have sex with him?
So, because animals Masturbate (What did i just read?).
Pls what is Masturbation and how does animals do it? And, if animals do this, we shd also do? Why did God give us Wills, Volition, Wisdom Free Choice which He didn't give to animals?
You wld rather degrade to an animal or upgrade and animal to you if you can?
MuttleyLaff: Aunty, no one is saying do not tithe, but that when matters come to financial giving, this isnt fixed or set in stone as a regular 10% or tithe and nor is it to be in the form of an imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving. Also for your information, what you are expected to religiously do is showing empathy and/or being compassionate, as in show compassion, and not religiously tithe, as you put.
Here is something to try out, let me know how much you tithe every month because for the next three months, I want you to stop religiously give tithe but instead be doing cheerful giving by deciding in your heart, the amount you are comfortable to give, it could 5%, could be 0.01%, could be 50%, could be 75%, could be 95%, could even be 10%, in a very strange or unusual manner, could even be 0%, then if after the three months period, if you dont benefit from having a better and prosperous good life, divine blessing, breakthroughs and favour but calamity, misfortune, loss or decrease in financial standing befalls you then I will reimburse your loss with interest and you can go back to what you previously were doing. Are you game?
I hope you already know what i do with the orphans? So, it's not the case of me tithing but not being compassionate to those who need me. Nevertheless i will do as you say.
But, again, to me, it makes no difference who collects it, ultimately, i am giving to Jesus, The Eternal High Priest. So, a beg can collect it, an orphan, a widow, or a pastor can collect it, but they are not the ones i see when i give, I see Jesus.
So, where am i going to let you know how much I'll be giving out? Here or outside of here?
Remember what the right hand gives shd not be known by the left hand.
And, when you say 'Giving Cheerfully', is my tithing not done Cheerfully?
MuttleyLaff: What is today called alBHAGDADI? What was yesterday called alBHAGDADI? Those names of the day are borrowed ideas from whom and where alBHAGDADI?
Do you now see, what an ignorant and a shameless hypocrite you are, huh? I have more but it just that I dont kick someone when they are down, so I'll leave it just at that, just continue reading on, to learn more and gain proper and correct knowledge on tithing, OK?I already knew you didnt first know we are singing from the same hymn book
Christians and believers can tithe if they so decided in their heart and are not coerced, being forced people to give, aren't getting threatened with fear of curses, calamity or misfortune if they don't give an imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving. As long as specified financial demands aren't forced on people, it isn't a prob. If people willing and on their own initiative give tithe, that's OK
Let's just go there. There really is no percentage on giving for believers. All God requires, is a cheerful giving, that you decide in your heart without being forced or coerced to give. As a matter of fact, it is any amount that you're comfortable with and be in accordance to the level of grace you've received, only that there is a caveat that whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously
The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, to tithe and so when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility to tithe, is no longer required or needed It was under that or those then present circumstances, that people like alBHAGDADI dont understand, that Jesus says to tithe, and not the thereafter
People like alBHAGDADI and others, dont want to recognise that the only tithes used to be given to God were: 1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to God via the priest (e.g. Levite) and 2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to God, via a priest cum king (e.g. Melchizedek) - see #3 below
Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) also given are: 1) At pagan temples to priest(s) (note alBHAGDADI extra biblical references will be provided upon your request, same with #3 below) 2) Upon the king's demand's (note alBHAGDADI bible references also will be provided upon your request) 3) To a local ruler cum priest of a god or God, worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war slaughering enemies
Now this is breaking it further down for easier understanding for the likes of alBHAGDADI and others 1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe) 2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law (i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income) 3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time) 4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)
Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe, The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law. For the attention of Horlufemi, this one, this so called "voluntary tithe" happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing, as a form of contribution or donation toward's any Kingdom purposes, aid or means. In fact, the beauty and tithing subtle difference, is that, it is NOT obligatory or imposed
Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and titheinterchangeably. So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means, I technically have given a tithe. Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead voluntarily giving it
All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing because the giving could be more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing
The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above
Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money (i.e. voluntarytithe, voluntarily giving 10%) Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself How much you give, changes according to the amount or percentage, you willingly over the passage of time, decide to give
It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully. This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory. Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things
You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure. (i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give) "For God loves a person who gives cheerfully." - 2 Corinthians 9:7
It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe
It is imposed tithing, it is dead with the law and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing
What alBHAGDADI and others he is in cahoot with dont want to correctively preach, is that the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do
2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed, as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9
alBHAGDADI and anyone can go check out Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9 to find out that God is doing a full circle with this give as you determine in your heart without being under compulsion cc Goshen360, OkaiCorne, OKcornel, openmine, Anas09
Bros, I'm done haggling over this issue. I pay my Tithe religiously and i'm not going to stop.
NPComplete: I have been ignoring u since and I still wanted to ignore u because u guys can be very dishonest. The mere fact that u want to group all Abrahamic religions together into one so as to suit ur narrative is funny enough.
But let me indulge u. For one last time. Since it seems u have left the discussion and purpose of my initial argument on this thread and u are just rambling instead.
This thread is about Pascal's Wager. Shadeyinka came in here and started lying like u Christians always do. He compared Pascal's Wager to a pot in the middle of the road with a supposedly deadly snake and the possibility of a reward if u don't stick ur hand in the pot. That is where the initial Christian dishonesty started. In doing so, he has completely discarded opposing views among religions, discarded all the various sects in a religion and discarded all the commandments u have to keep. His argument was like saying believing in a god is enough to guarantee a good afterlife. He conveniently forgot the technicalities. To be clear, in his analogy, the pot is not god. The person who is giving the reward is the god. If u don't understand this, why are u on this thread arguing.
In counter to his analogy, I gave another more accurate one. In mine, I actually put the reward inside the pot. Hence the pot contains 100kg of gold. Then I correctly pointed out the fact that most of these religions also claim that the other way will only lead to less than optimal outcomes. Hence the claim that other pots contain poisonous snakes. In my analogy, the pot is the defined way of getting the reward. That way can be one religion or a sect in one religion. It doesn't matter. As long as two sects in the same religion don't agree on the exact way to get the reward, those are 2 different pots.
Since Deeper life claims wearing earrings will lead u to hell, and Christ embassy doesn't mind, it means that following Christ embassy puts u at risk of hell if Deeper life turns out to be right. 2 different pots. If u are still not getting it by now, I can't help u.
Pascal's Wager is about reward not about gods. The existence of the god is moot. But the reward is there. It tries to help u maximize that reward. But it oversimplifies by assuming just believing in a god is enough for the reward. Whereas there are many other factors to consider.
I am not even an atheist but the fact that u guys can't even bring a better argument than a dumb theory like Pascal's Wager is the reason why u keep losing the argument against atheists and skeptics. It is the reason u keep losing your fellow Christians to logic.
Yes, Pascal Wager is not about gods but rewards, why then did you bring in the 500 others religious gods? Remember no one mention gods but you.
If you can go back and read again, it was because of you mentioning gods that made me ask you how many of your gods promises rewards in the AfterLife. But, You have craftily evaded that but are everywhere shouting dishonesty.
frosbel2: What about this new testament teaching ;
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - Luke 19:27
And this came from him who claims he was a Christian for 20yrs. lolzzz. That is Jesus telling you what will be the fate of those who will choose death over Life on the Last day.
If you insist that the Lord Jesus means what He said there literarily, then you and all the evil doers who reject Him should have been killed. Are you dead?
With all your evil intents and all you have done against Him, do you think you'd be alive by now?
frosbel2: I remember yes - it ushered in the dark ages, the inquisitions and mass murder.
And you can sincerely with all honesty say what the Catholic Church did then was precept upon precept, word upon word, instruction upon instruction from Jesus?
frosbel2: Let us assume that EVANGELICAL and PENTECOSTAL Christians in ALL of Europe, Americas , 1/2 of Africa and parts of Asia gain total and complete political and economic power, do you think this will be a good thing for HUMANITY or NOT ?
For those of you who do not know what Dominion theology is, this is how Wikipedia defines it ; 'Dominion theology (also known as dominionism) is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation governed by Christians based on their personal understandings of biblical law.'
- Will Christians fight against each other, or will they be united in ONE BELIEF and ONE FAITH - What part will the CATHOLIC CHURCH play in all of this , or will they be sidelined ? - Will JW and Mormons be welcomed into government to rule as co-equals ? - Will they allow Atheism and Agnosticism to continue running rampant - What will happen to Christians who leave the faith - Will Muslims be allowed to proselytise as they are apt to do - What will happen to the rights of women or will it be once again strictly fashioned according to the bible - Will Christians be given preferential treatment above all MEN and WOMEN - Will free thinkers be allowed to continue with their strong criticism of the bible and of so called MEN of GOD
Your thoughts !!
Frosbel, you need not assume, it shall happen very soon. Jesus shall down here and for 1000yrs the Christians shall rule this earth. But, sadly, you shall not be here to witness it.
I thought you said you were a Christian for 20yrs, how did you miss this?
This is becoming boring. Guy, the last time i checked every Christian sect believed that... 1. Jehovah is the Only One True God.
2. That Jesus is His Only begotten Son.
3. That the Holy Bible is His Word.
That Jehovah created the Heavens and Earth and put Adam and Eve in Eden.
That, Adam and Eve sinned and brought damnation.
That Jesus was born of a Virgin
That Jesus died and resurrected after three days.
That He ascended to Heaven and He is coming back.
So, name a Christian sect which holds an opposing view from this and i will tell you that it's not Christian.
NPComplete: So my analogy holds. If one person says God hates people wearing earnings and they will go to hell fire and another person says otherwise,
Your analogy is like pouring water on the back of a duck.
So you believe that the denomination which forbids wearing ears serves a different God from the one which allows it? Have you ever heard of the word 'Doctrine?'. That is what it is, Doctrine. and doctrines do not determine New Birth (Regeneration in the Spirit). See how your analogy sags out?
NPComplete: since we have no way of knowing which way actually leads to God, we can classify them as 2 unverified gods who have distinct tastes.
You mean, 'Since YOU have no way of knowing the way to God?', because i do. Here itOne Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John:14:6
NPComplete: Nope not all beliefs. Some believe that should u do evil or fail to live up to expectation, u will be reincarnated as something lesser than human. Like grass or something. There are different incarnation based beliefs.
Good. So you believe that to those who believe that if one lived below expectation (of who exactly, i mean which God?), in the previous life, they can reincarnate as a lizard or a flower right, now, will that then mean that being reincarnated as something lesser than human is punishment? And, this world which they reincarnated back to, as their AfterLife?
To these your devotees, what did they say abt their Paradise? Or is it only being reincarnated to lesser creatures they talk abt?
Now, haven pointed this out, have you seen that you shouldn't group YHWH with these your gods?
YHWH states clearly what you shd or shd not do. There's reward and Punitive measures IN THE AFTERLIFE. My point is IN THE AFTERELIFE.
NPComplete: These people and dishonest arguments. So we should group all Abrahamic religions together now, right? Later it is u that will still belligerently claim u don't serve the same god as Muslims do.
Yes, YHWH is not Allah. I stand by this, but Allah promises the Muslims His paradise if they obey him and YHWH did too. This is why i said group them. But if you feel you can't, then by all means start mentioning these other gods allah included.
NPComplete: So u think your religion is the one with one of the most barbaric punitive measure and for that it deserves a special status in the comity of religions. LMAO. It doesn't. It is a joke to the rest of us the same way other religions are a joke to u.
This is not about the religion with punitive measures, it's about the religions which advocates Paradise and Condemnation in the afterlife. Go ahead and mention the 500 religions you talked abt.
NPComplete: As long as there are opposing views in Christianity, then Pascal's Wager cannot be analogous to one simple pot on the road.
See? This is the reason why i don't engage you, you are inconsistent. Is this argument about the Opposing views in Christianity or about you bringing in 500 other gods which had no reason being in this discuss? This is not abt the different Christian sects, it's abt you and these other gods, for this is the only reason i came into this thread.
NPComplete: That is the whole point of my argument on this thread. Shadeyinka is trying to make it seem like it is just a simple case of believing in a god or not. But we know it is more like believing in one of many gods and then believing in the right version of that one true god and then keeping the commandments of that god to the letter.
Listen, i for one does not believe in many gods hence, when i talk, i stand by the God i believe in and i see that that is what Shadeyinka did. This thread is about a warning which is left for us to either obey and get a reward or disobey and be reap the consequence of it disobedience. Now, my God, whose name is YHWH/Jesus, teaches that Obedience will lead me to His paradise and disobedience will land me in the Fire of Hell. I expected you to remain in within this premise because hardly does any other of these 500 gods you brought in talks about the AfterLife, rewards and punitive measure there.
But, you being the real atheist that you are, tried to rubbish the point by trying to bring in 500 gods and make it seem like we Christians are trying to seem like our God is the Only True God, (which by the way, He is).
So, go on and present these your gods and their ideas of the Afterlife.
NPComplete: The probability of that is close to not believing in any god at all.
Guy, the only reason i came in here is because you tried to shift the Goal Post. Get back inline.
NPComplete: Pakistan, u will probably be arguing for Islam and Mohammed with the same vehement close-mindedness u currently exhibit.
Yes, if i was born in Pakistan i will probably be a muslim. And, i will believe in Allah who promises Paradise or Hell in the Afterelife.
But, this is not the argument. The point is your 500 gods. Go ahead pls, i'm waiting.
Am I back to NL? No! I just casually walked in...when I have too much time on my hands.
Shalom
Good morning Saint of God.
And Happy New Year and Month.
Actually, that is exactly how it is with me, NL is my last resort. If i have nothing in my hands, i just casually walk in here, browse around and leave.
This place is dead. All the names with the brains are gone.
Christianity Etc › Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Anas09: 12:31am On Feb 04, 2019
