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hensben:
So in order to sack Tuchel Lukaku had to do interview and you call that intelligent from him. You see how we played from the front against liverpool, the game was entertaining. Mark Henry need to be sold. I nor know Wetin Dey worry Marine to sign him in the first place. That’s how they destroy conte’s second season with wrong signings; you have Matic and Kante, after winning the league and then sold Matic to get bakayoko and drink water. Mumu.

I added that we may have not seen the end of things and also that I am not speaking to his play style or skillet. The interesting thing is, if TT gets fired this season and Romelu is still here under a new coach, who do you suppose got the better of the mind games?

Havertz10:
that was because fans have been attacking lakaka

Before the Aston Villa game?

Tochex101:
The Brute, more intelligent than Tuchel?
Get a grip man.....

The brute speaks a gazillion languages and generally communicates like a thoughtful, calculated and introspective person. I don't speak to his athleticism or adroitness though.

Even though I support TT on the Lukaku issue, I think we haven't seen the end of it. TT is really intelligent, however, I feel people underestimate how intelligent Lukaku is. I personally think he is more intelligent than TT and it makes me all the way suspicious that Romelu had factored this event in his grand scheme. If that is the case, it makes me suspect that TT's position in Chelsea is not stable and Lukaku released this interview to set that in motion.

Ibime:
What is 15% of 55,000 seats. That's over 8,000 people. City is the only club you see such nonsense.

That is a wide disparity. You can't tell me 8,000 people will buy ticket and be indisposed on that day. Yeye dey smell.

Ibime:
The guy I believe showed wide disparity between Police numbers and club data. There is often wide disparity between both. Clubs have every reason to inflate matchday attendance as they sell advertising board/ big screen slots/naming rights and the more eyes they claim saw your project, the more advertising revenue they generate.

We cannot even rule out that Sheikh can set up ticketing agency to buy up unsold tickets at the last minute to falsify revenue

The highlighted is legit though but it is supporting my overarching point, which is that City is not as dependent on Sheikh money as it used to be from the yesteryears.

Ibime:
The guy I believe showed wide disparity between Police numbers and club statement. There is often wide disparity between both. Clubs have every reason to inflate matchday attendance as they sell advertising board/ big screen slots/naming rights and the more eyes they claim saw your project, the more advertising revenue they generate.

the difference was 15%. City reported 98% but Police reports said 83% showed up.

Ibime:
Police reports are the most reliable. They are based on the actual number of people that are counted at the turnstiles. The turnstiles count the people going in as they clock through. UK Police don't play with the accuracy of those figures because that's how they allocate resources. They even know how many people in each stand. They don't play with that since Hillsborough tragedy.

Police reports will match the EPL data and City data. That is why the case the other guy tried to bring up was not the scandal he hoped it was. The data showed that City sold the number of tickets for that game to the number they reported but the number of people who showed up for the game having purchased the tickets was slightly less.

Ibime:
What did the tweet say?

I meant to type Instagram**

AnfieldFan:
I've given you the facts...Your refusal to accept them reflects on you not me Sir.....
Those are official police reports, stop Strawmanning...It's getting tiring...

Yah. Official Manchester City figures, Transfermarket or EPL are flimsy but police reports will do the trick because police go to stadiums to count fans?

Ibime:
I believe he thinks he was ready to play 90 mins after injury but TT only held him back for 3 games to build match fitness. Those 3 games were even over the space of a week so you naturally won't flog his body that many times in a week when he's just returning from injury.

If he can loose guard so easily for just being eased back in from injury which all managers do, I wonder what he will say when there is real problem.

I support TT fully. Just pointing out that they fell out due to what you explained above. I even think Chilwell is in camp Lukaku because he gave a cryptic tweet when Lukaku scored that goal and got that penalty against Aston Villa. Summary is Lukaku knew exactly what he was doing but that is not to say TT did not sign him. He was just the 2nd choice behind Erling.

AnfieldFan:
No other Liverpool fan said anything of sorts....You're basically making things up to replace arguments you brought that couldn't hold up...

This is the season we got Virgil, Salah, Robbo and Chamberlain..

See the net spend?

You are showing me market value and at the same time telling me about netspend lol. You should try to be more creative with your argument. Netspend majorly favors a badly run club. No Liverpool fan said what?

AnfieldFan:
We don't need hypotheticals , how much has Pep spent since his arrival?

Your arguments don't make sense. Manchester City sign players not Guardiola and I don't do Guardiola arguments by the way.

Ibime:
Jermainr Jenas said the fact that Lukaku is not happy with the tactical system shows he's a board signing rather than a Tuchel signing. That if Tuchel signed him, he would know what tactics he wants from Lukaku and will surely adapt tactics to suit Lukaku if he signed him.

Did TT and Romelu not speak before he was signed? R9 was trying to be petty. The interview and commissioning of its release was to get at TT for refusing to start him after he returned from injury. TT signed him.

AnfieldFan:
If you believe this, you might as well believe the Earth is flat (I'm messing with ya)...

Good morning; if you're in Nigeria
We argued football into the morning...
Time for me to get some shut eye...

Sure, Transfermarket were deceived as well. Imagine me quoting them instead of doing a head count by myself or better yet taking your word for it.

AnfieldFan:
It's no longer Virg and Allison aren't from Cou money seeing as you've been proven wrong on that, you've moved on to Naby??
I said we operate as a business and reinvest what we earn, City do not because the Sheikh adds his money...Is this concept so difficult to understand...

I did not want to bring other Liverpool fans comments about Coutinho money. You made a valid point that I should deal with you on the merits of your own point. I did. So City did not make 100M to buy Grealish? 63M to buy Rodri? Humor me. Or that was Sheikh's money as well?

AnfieldFan:
I'm pretty sure I said since Pep's arrival...You can't use a single season to invalidate the argument...
Here are City's and Liverpool's transfers for 2019/20 season...

City comes first in the pictures....
As you can see, we didn't even come close...

So if City spend 400M in 2017/18 to completely overhaul the core of the team, but then spend 100M for each of the next 3 seasons it infringes on them because that totals 700M whereas another team is allowed to spend say 150M each of the 4 seasons in question? These are hypotheticals by the way. Sorry I meant 2018/19 for Liverpool. Were City the biggest spenders in 2018/19-2019/20?

AnfieldFan:
Not my article, Official police reports...

Ibime has addressed you on that too with his own personal experiences...

Emptyhad for a reason...

Are we conflating banter and fact or did Transfermarket not say they got their own figure from official EPL data base? I have a feeling you are not happy that City in the past 3 attended seasons averaged more attendants than Liverpool.

AnfieldFan:
First off, Liverpool didn't claim add ons based on 100 appearances...No Liverpool journalist reported that..

Secondly, you didn't answer my question, how much did Liverpool sell the debt to the debt company for?

Thirdly, nobody and I mean literally nobody has claims Oxlade, Jota, Naby came from Phil.
Don't add misleading statements...

I just did the math for how much that debt was. If Liverpool claimed they got all their money for Coutinho which is 142M but Barcelona figure shows they owe Liverpool 15M which in principle belongs to the debt company. That means that is how much Liverpool sold the rights to that debt company. Q.E.D. Okay. So Naby and co are not from Coutinho money. Which means your FSG reinvested or no?

Ibime:
Etihad tickets are always available bro. I have been a few times and can book match without stress fairly easily. Even before their stadium was extended, I used to go and see empty seats, talkless of now. I have bought even UCL tickets against Barcelona and Bayern Munich directly from their website with no stress and still saw people queuing at the ticket office to buy ticket few minutes before the game. You can't get that with any other big club,.not even West Ham who fill 66,000 seats comfortably. To get ticket to Anfield, you can't do so officially, someone must give you their ticket to go. The waiting list to get season ticket for Anfield is almost 30 years. Some people turned to skeleton waiting for season ticket at Anfield.

Champions league attendance for City and EPL attendance are not the same. For e.g, City do not report 53000+ attendees on UCL nights. They are traditional minnows in the competition and do not have many fans beyond mancunians due to their relatively puerile history in that competition. That is not to say they are slouches in the EPL as the figures show.

AnfieldFan:
I was amused, everyone knows even Newcastle fills up their stadium much more than City...I just humoured him and proved his claims wrong.

You proved the data I showed you from transfermarket wrong or your article just claimed that sometimes City reports the attendance of tickets sold for a game and not necessarily fans that actually turned up?

AnfieldFan:
City has outspent Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, Leicester,maybe even Chelsea ever since Pep's arrival....

City spent 100M this season. Just off the top, Chelsea and Arsenal spent more. I am pretty sure Liverpool outspent City 2019/20 as well. Just off the top. Or you mean cumulatively?

AnfieldFan:
How much did Barca pay Liverpool?

Post a pic to them owing us 35 million and us selling 35 million at a loss price of 11 million, you don't have to paste the link..

Barcelona paid 106M pounds. The 35.5M left was based on add-ons. Liverpool claimed they sold the debt for that exact figure to purchase Alisson and VVD but when Barca's financials leaked last year that they owed Liverpool 20 M euros (15M pounds not 11M like I wrongly said) Liverpool said it was for add ons based on 100 appearances that will be directed to their debt company. Well, another tabloid debunked that such add ons based on appearances were included. So Liverpool did not need Coutinho money for their purchases. Enter Oxlade, Naby, Jota etc that every fan keeps claiming was from Coutinho money.

AnfieldFan:
Ok, the add ons weren't part of the main fee right, so how much did Liverpool get and how much did Roma and Southampton sell?

How much did Liverpool sell at to the debt company?

You paid 142M pounds for Alisson and VVD but Barcelona still owe you 35.5M pounds for Coutinho. Only that you sold those rights 11M pounds.

AnfieldFan:
If Arsenal made 10 dollars total, use 7 for general operating costs and expenditures, 1 dollar as profit and use 2 dollars solely for player acquisitions the next season
WHILE
And City makes 6 dollars , and uses 5 dollars for player acquisitions....
It doesn't add up...Arab money though can subsidize for them since they don't care about profits, they inject their money for operating costs and expenditures while City outspend every other team...

Yea. Only problem is City only outspent everyone in 2017/18. But the story is sweeter to call them big spenders so let's go with it.

AnfieldFan:
Smith owes Neo 10 dollars that he is contractually obligated to pay...
Neo uses his 10 dollars to buy Trinity a necklace to be balanced when Smith pays..
If Smith defaults, they courts force him to pay up...If he's bankrupt, the system pays Neo...

Good analogy. Shame Southampton and Roma have nothing to do with it. Liverpool simply sold those rights for cheaper because there was no guarantee that Coutinho would eventually get those add-ons. It is like Martial and United, and the balon d'or add-ons.

AnfieldFan:
So how come City are able to outspend all these teams so easily ...Do they have another revenue generation means we don't know?

It's simple, Arab money... Similar to Abramovich loaning Chelsea Capital without Interest rates...

No, I am saying whatever is made, the owners redeploy it into the team/club but other clubs do not.

AnfieldFan:
Yea, the rights have been sold to a debt company... Which is why I said they don't owe us....

But those rights were not sold by the time you got Alisson and VVD. That is my point.

AnfieldFan:
Every financial transactions are published at the end of each financial year.. Liverpool's financial synopsis for May 2020 ending is available...So are some other clubs, I don't need to explain City being dependent on Arab money to you.... Even Pep himself knows...
But if you don't want to acknowledge this, I leave you to your beliefs...

Happy new year Sir....The interaction was nice...

Happy New Year but a final word. Yes, everyone knows that City group reinvests. They don't scoop away the profits like some other billionaires do. That is the point I am making. That has been the accusation against FSG for e.g. Lebron does not care about Liverpool winning anything. He just wants to make money. That is the difference.

AnfieldFan:
Barca doesn't owe me for Countiho...
Is there a question here?

They do. lol. Barca still owe 12 Million GBP for him but Liverpool had sold the rights to those add-ons to a third party. Would give links but nervous of anti-spam.

AnfieldFan:
I posted before completing my statements... Sorry for that..

When I have the time I will provide traceable City money. Shirt, Stadium, Winnings etc but I have a feeling you would some how conclude that they are inflated because sunnews.co said so. That is not to say City makes more than traditional biggies like United, Liverpool and Arsenal, but City makes comparable figures easily - devoid of oil money. Like I said before, the overbloated sugar daddy talks are haterganda.

AnfieldFan:
This is your alternate...

I logged out for the night, but I just logged back to respond to this..

Actual police reports confirm City inflate their attendance records...That's why I used a more reliable metric...(Stadium income generated)..
Those are audited records..


I could show you pictures if you ask for them...

Let me get this straight, income at the stadium -which includes merchandise sales and Etihad naming rights per year cannot be inflated but attendance can be from 84% to 98%? Let me guess, it was Coutinho money that Liverpool used to buy Alisson and VVD but somehow Barca still owe you for Coutinho when you don't owe Southampton for VVD or Roma for Alisson?