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WINDSOW:
Don't bother me. It's a past subject. Follow the thread to read mine & other people's comments.

I wanted you to answer me personally because i am one of jw

freshboi88:
That's what you want to believe. It doesn't make it true. Scripture dnt contradict.

Your interpretation of firstborn to mean first created is a direct contradiction to John 1:3-4.

If the world is to apply the logic u used to interpret firstborn then

According to

Jer 31:9 They will come back shedding tears of contrition.I will bring them back praying prayers of repentance. I will lead them besides streams of water,along smooth paths where they will never stumble. I will do this because I am Israel’s father;Ephraim is my firstborn son.’”

Ephraim seniors Jesus ryt.....cos Ephraim is God's firstborn son

God made this statement in harmony with what jacob(isreal) did at gen 48:14 where he gave ephraim the blessing of the firstborn,so it had nothing to do with jesus and as for john 1:3,4 it still supports my point that without jesus nothing else was made.

sonmvayina:
The Bible use spirit.. I don't know what is life force.. "send forth your spirit and they are created, take it and they die" psalm 104.

Ok let me ask you,that spirit that goes out of our body when we die what is it?

Kobojunkie:
I don't follow

Well you said that this promise likely applied to the ancient Israel so was it ever fulfilled in their time?

Dtruthspeaker:
Many many beautiful things and good good things which He did at the beginning (Adam and Eve enjoyed Him and it well well).

1) There would be Fairness and Equality and Just -is (balance).

2) Wickedness and Evil will Not Be Allowed to have a ground to stand (He even said that Evil, Death and Hell would be kept in Eternal Prison Forever, so no Problems from evil).

3) it is His Job and Duty to Provide Food (I love food ) Shelter. There is nothing like insecurity because everyone and everything Must Do Only Good, even animals will not hurt.

4) All the things you Hate in this world, which was not good, will never be done for He had earlier Given man, Laws to prevent the doing of these evil things, but man did not use His Laws but instead made their own and deceived people that it was "good", while they killed people who told Everyone that their laws are a fraud and evil.

So All those bad and evil laws, will not be there eg Crazy Dowry Payment, rubbish letters of administration to take my father's money in the bank, no banks and insurance companies to steal our earnings, no wicked employer who would not pay us earnings or even cut it short after work done,

5) Fair and Just Courts etc

Shelter for all, work for all, food and drink and wine for all.

And oh, the Ground would yield up her increase, no sickness and diseases. Isaiah 65:21-25

So what do you think we can do to be part of this kingdom?

Kobojunkie:
Because the man who wrote it, was an israelite and eventual king of Israel. He wrote several other psalms about His beloved Israel and the promise.

And did this Israelites possess the whole earth or just a small part of it? or did they live forever?

Kobojunkie:
There is no evidence that psalm 37 vs 29 is in anyway linked to the Kingdom of God as it is more likely linked to the promise of the land of canaan to the people of isreal, a promise made forever.

That said, the Kingdom of Heaven and the promise of it, came with Jesus Christ, not just for the people of Israel but for all nations.

So how do you know it is linked to the peopl of isreal ( I need scriptural evidence)..

WINDSOW:
Because they are hypocrites

Really! How?

Kobojunkie:
The promise made to Abraham as regards that land was for a period of forever.

So are you saying the promise at psalms 37:29 was made to Abraham

Kobojunkie:
That scripture can be assumed to speak of the land of israel as well. So no, it says nothing concrete in the sense of the Kingdom of God

Well did that ancient is real live forever on this earth?

Dtruthspeaker:
For practical purposes, the kingdom of God simply The Firm and Complete Absolute Rule of God Over the Affairs of Men which is the direct opposite of when God Allowed Men themselves using His Laws, which has now failed.

Therefore, He is taking back the Rule of Men from them and Placing it in Himself.

He shall be in Control of the Judiciary and the Executive Organisations. He was Already in Control of the Legislature and was Always in Control of it-All Laws on Earth (Natural Law which is Always Good), come from Him as different from the Wicked and Evil laws which men made for themselves which you see).

I really love your answer but what do you think this government will do for us?

HITsquad:
Money, money again,money again... And then sacrifice, Have I mentioned money?

True money is important but there is something more important and it is found at psalms 1:1-3

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry but I hate the practise that is picking verses from here and there to bolster one's point, any point. For that is the very same thing those who do not believe do.

Ok I respect that but it doesn't change what that scripture is saying
And for the record I am a Christian

xamuell:
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

So are you saying that there is hope of them coming back to life?

bigiyaro:
depends on your definition of "good" but, its only those that have Jesus Christ as their personal lord and saviour that will go to heaven.

And should I remind you that people like David did not go to heaven

sonmvayina:
Man is made up of two components.. Body and spirit.. The spirit animates the body... The body returns to dust at death and the spirit returns to God who gave it... Ecclessiatics 12 :7 and psalm 104:29-31

I hope you know that the spirit you're referring to is just our life force so it is not really us (what I mean is that it doesn't include our personality,memories,behaviours and so on)

Is it money,love or something else

Kobojunkie:
So where will those who do not make it into the kingdom of Heaven be? Will it not be in a kingdom of sorts?
Or will all be in the same kingdom?

Now that you asked that question please read psalm37:29

freshboi88:
You are right if u take first born literally. But the problem is if u do that u contradict colossians 1:15-16.

The bible doesn't contradict itself. So to appear not contradictory u surreptitiously include all other things. But that is not wht the verse says.

It's uses the words Everything and Nothing . So the right thing should be all things not all other things and that's how 95% of bible translators translate that verse.

Like I said taking the word firstborn literally has some issues. For example?

Exodus 4:22 You must say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord has said, “Israel is my son, my firstborn.

The use of firstborn should we take it literally here too?...was Isreal the first nation God created?

Jer 31:9 They will come back shedding tears of contrition.I will bring them back praying prayers of repentance. I will lead them besides streams of water,along smooth paths where they will never stumble. I will do this because I am Israel’s father;Ephraim is my firstborn son.’

Here again, are we to take firstborn literally?.....what do u think firstborn means in this example verses?

Psalm 89:27 I will appoint him to be my firstborn son, the most exalted of the earth’s kings.


What does firstborn mean in these verses?

In Colossians 1:15,16 firstborn means that Jesus was the first thing Jehovah ever created

Kobojunkie:
Discuss? What knowledge did you bring to the "discussion"?

you clearly did not bring any either

MASTERCHIEF0847:
Na you dey follow me. Na so life do your papa.

Pele. it is not that deep.

Kobojunkie:
Daniel 2 vs 44. is not a clue to God's Kingdom.

Read the Gospels to learn of God's Kingdom. Jesus gave enough Hints about His Kingdom in His sermons and parables.

it does say that it will put an end to other kingdoms,doesn't that tell you something the kingdom will do?

Kobojunkie:
Daniel 2 vs 44. is not a clue to God's Kingdom.

Read the Gospels to learn of God's Kingdom. Jesus gave enough Hints about His Kingdom in His sermons and parables.

it doer say that it will put an end to other kingdoms,doesn't that tell you something the kingdom will do?

MASTERCHIEF0847:
You're sick.

My brother life is doing you just ignore the topic if you don't have anything useful to say

MASTERCHIEF0847:
How did i insult you? Read again and show me?

Stop digressing and comment on the scripture (that's if you even read it)

SocialJustice:
I don't have time for pointless argument. Take it or leave it.

What have I said that is pointless to you?
That scripture tells us that we also have to know Jehovah and Jesus in other to gain everlasting life so it's more than just believing in Jesus
And BTW I'm not trying to argue we are only reasoning together

MASTERCHIEF0847:
The truth is in a psychiatric hospital, head there asap.

Why not just comment on the scripture instead of insulting me

kingxsamz:
And if one doesn't repent?

Read Romans 6:23

SocialJustice:
John 3:16, it's that easy.

Have you also considered John 17:3

MightySparrow:
Are you afraid of hell fire? Why such topic?

No I just want to reason with people what the bible actually says about hellfire

freshboi88:
There's no part of scripture that supports this. In fact scripture refutes this lie from the pit of hell.

The book of John testifies that “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, the same was in the beginning with God, ” and, “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made” (John 1:1-3).


It says nothing was made without Jesus @ bolded.

You say something (i.e Jesus) was made without Jesus.

Who is lying, u or the bible?

If you have a bible handy please read Colossians 1:15,16
It clearly states that jesus is the firstborn of all creations and by means of him God created all other things both in heaven and on earth

MASTERCHIEF0847:
Religion thrives on fear. Without the fear of hellfire churches will empty and people will not pay tithes.

Yes but the truth can be discerned at Jeremiah 7:31