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tintingz: again Jesus is not the only prophet that has the word of God in him, all prophet has the spirit of God starting from Adam(as)
there is no where Quran called Jesus 'son of God' God strongly condemned begotten a son
Joseph was earthly father of Jesus tho he was born of a virgin mother Mary(as).

The title messiah was for him because he was the chosen one sent to the Israelites, God choose him to come back for a purpose, he will deny what christians called him, he will proclaim Islam as his faith, he will fight the anti-christ beast(dajjal) and gather up the faithful muslims for judgment day.

tintingz: every prophet before Jesus have the word of God and his spirit
One thing is that the boss is far greater than the staffs even if the son is among them...but if we go through the bible there are many people refer as son of God not only Jesus(as), they are all servants of God.

dyfatai: On this thread, some pple have said that born again CANNOT sin, but they av in one way or the other commited sin.

One has said, they can sin but needed 2 seek for forgiveness ceaselessly(seems dis youngman is a catholic)

Others av competely sidestepped d question, reason being that they call themselves born again but they couldnt resist d occasional bottles of Alch, bleepin of girls, d clubs, cheating, backbiting etc................... This group, to me, are being realistic

The final group are working relentlessly to defend wot dey believe in. Agreeing d@ born again can sin will be a slap on christianity and make dem unlike 'christ'. .......................These are potential theologians.

Even Anaochuku1 started with long epistle abot infallability, but Alhamdulillah, @ some point, he agreed d@ he got blood running thru his veins .

All in all, i expected a consensus of answer from u gentlemen because d idea of salvation is d most fundamental teaching in ur religion. If by now, u are still aving a difference of opinion, dont u think dere is something wrong somewhere??

Pls, ponder on dis points and reply with wisdom.

Thanks.

tintingz: Confused people Jesus is a servant of God because God sent him and again he's God and again he's the son of God? abeg make una stop all this crapy stuff about Jesus(as). He's a servant/slave and a prophet of God nothing more, he even addressed himself has 'son of man' the bible is clear on this.

italo: Bidam has called himself perfect.

My point is that a "born-again" can sin...and you agree.

Shikena!

italo: Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

Why the long epistle?

The questions were:

Are you born of God?

Have you ever committed a sin since you became born of God?

JMAN05: IT IS BY GRACE WE ARE DECLARED PERFECT/RIGHTEOUS. ON YOUR OWN, YOU CAN NEVER BE PERFECT. REMEMBER, YOU ARE DECLARED, NOT THAT YOUR CONDUCT ALONE MADE YOU PERFECT.

tintingz: Acts 3:26 NKJV
To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities."

italo: To simplify the matter:

Are you born of God?

Have you ever committed a sin since you became born of God?

dyfatai: exactly my point, by dis ur standard and judgement, we av less born agains in nigeria dan serving governors. ME NEVER C ANY CHRISTIAN THAT DOSEN'T SIN. The closest av come 2 seeing is dis wonderful personalty i met in high school, Still, he cheated wit us in WASSCE. So, so far, u are d only self acclaimed 'Sinless' person ive 'met'.

JMAN05: simple: A born again can sin, but his is not expected to make a practice of sin.

Your confusion is understandable, and it stems from the wrong translation of that bible portion. see how it should read:

6. "Everyone remaining in union with him does not practice sin; no one that practices sin has either seen him or come to know him."

9. "Everyone who has been born from God does not carry on sin, because His [reproductive] seed remains in such one, and he cannot practice sin, because he has been born from God".

The italize bolded words carries the proper sense. He does not practice or carry on sin (indicating a progressive action). For eg, before one becomes a christian he may be a deliberate fornicator, but on being a Christian, he is not expected to live in that sin anymore. Though, he may have occasional relapse as he battles an addiction, he no longer deliberately keep fornicating. a relapse is just cos we are imperfect/addiction (which he subsequently prays for forgiveness), but he is not expected to deliberately live in that sin anymore.

This does not however, mean that he will not be punished for going back to fornication simply 'cos of imperfection, no. But it does not mean he is condemned eternally 'cos of relapses, he can ask of forgiveness remorsefully and be certain that God will forgive him.

Emusan: ok



Like someone has said "Be ye holy as I am holy" particular this verse is meant for the real born-again not people like me who still praying for the real born-again in which God and I will be commue together.



This verse actually meant for every human on earth before being born-again but once you're TRULY born again the above verse is for you



No condemnitaion in Christ.....




The rate you people harmering on the word HOLYSPIRIT this day is just to say God have mercy



Simple they are not TRULY born-again whereas all these are the works of the flesh.



If they are not truly born-again is not yours to conclude with that percent
@bold-that's why we have an Advocate with the Father the man Christ Jesus 1 John 2:1 for those who can quickly realized their error.



And Christians never make a move of making trouble with you either.



Shalom!

chukwudi44: every one of us are prone to sin even the spirit-filled christian.However unlike the unbeleiver the xtian strives to avoid sin to the best of his/her strenghts and immediately asks for forgiveness when he sins

dyfatai: i apologise 4 taking 2 long 2 reply, i refrained because u didn't really answer my questions and pointing dem 2 u over and over will just make me look silly. All ur explanations are geared towards d fact d@ being born again will avoid sin but d question was nt if it wld be easy 4 born again 2 commit sin, but that are dey impervious to the sin? If yes, u contradict 1 john 1:8, if no, u contradict 1 john 3:9. And if ur answer is born again are sinless, wot happens 2 all d sins and attrocities perpertrated by christians all over d world (other religion sin 2 ooo, dnt get me wrong). So, will u say all dis christians aren't born again?

Thanks 4 understanding

dyfatai: ^^^
I seem to understand ur point, but u dnt understand mine. Been born again makes it hard to sin has u av put it, for fear of argument, i agree. But 2 say dere is 100% full proof against sin is wot im trying hard 2 comprehend.

dyfatai: if i get u correctly, born again are not expected to sin, but dey can commit SIN. Did Christ sin 'UN-WILLFULLY'?

dyfatai: is it possible 4 a born again 2 sin?

chloride6: Mr Anochuko or what ever you call you self. What make you better than some one who pratices witch craft.

I am a christian but i salute this guys who have the courage to continue their traditional belief system amidst western intimidation.

tintingz: We don't need to pray for conversion thingy...Allah guide whom he please, we preach, writes to enlighten the world about Islam(not boko haram ideology)
In Islam we look up to God ONLY not a man our salvation is from God alone, I'm born a muslim in a muslim home, my dad a muslim my mum an ex-christian, I'm in the right path from birth just that I was ignorant about Islam before now I understand islam
Chrst Jesus(as) was not killed he didn't die for anybody sins.
Yes they might not be born again christian but they choose Islam as their new faith.

kheart: The problem with xtians is that u ple dnt know ur religion much yet u use insults as a way of spreading gospel, where re d wise ones among u? Does bible encourage xtian man/woman 2 marry a non xtian? Islam permit a muslim man 2 marry a woman 4rm ple of d buk bt does nt permit a muslim woman 2 marry a non muslim. Ur faith shld supercedes all. ALLAH s all wise n knws best.

tintingz: Do you make sense at all, what about the igbos that just converted to Islam recently


18 People Converted To Islam At National Mosque Yesterday
www.nairaland.com/1519446/18-people-converted-islam-national

And this...

Imo Traditional Ruler Converts To Islam
www.nairaland.com/1159945/imo-traditional-ruler-converts-islam

...do you think muslims use money to entice people to converts like your private jet pastors do? You better look for salvation from God cuz Jesus is no salvation he's just a man a prophet to the Israelites he will deny ya'll.

Deen4me: Hypocrisy of the highest Level

Christian and Muslim marriage

If the two of you get married.

By the standards of both religions One of the partners is going to spend an eternity in Hell.

This is where i am lost how can you claim you love someone ,have children with someone, spend a lifetime with someone and you both know that the other is going to Hell in the next life.

Love Indeed !

Awon oni iranu

BTW Islam does not recognise as marriage a muslim woman to a non muslim man,

As far as Islam is concerned they are committing fornication

tintingz: keep deceiving yourself