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I support Israel 100%.So you murderous blood thirsty bigots what will you do now.
Israel has no problem with Palestinian christians.They have problems with the droves of muslims that will pretend to be christians and infiltrate the ranks of the palestinian Christians to penetrate Israel to wreak havoc on innocent people as their religion always instructs them.I would do the same thing to guard my country if I were Israel.

All the blood thirsty terrorist bigots that will quote me, may your terrorist bombs blow you and your accomplies to pieces as you hunt innocent people.

AfricanApple:
I saw him on a praying ground last week Friday

Well it isn't difficult to believe considering the preferencial treatment muslims recieve and the way christians are hated and marginalised.

So because people love unclothedness then its hypocrisy to shun what they love because its morally wrong.

Therefore since human beings by nature love vengeful murder they should fully support it or else they are hypocrites.

Immoral depraved women ever seeking excuse to go naked.

The Op is an age long advanced Islamic tactic to make them look like the oppressed even when they oppress.

AgentOfAllah:
When I was a Muslim, I wrote an article thanking Terry Jones, that American pastor who threatened to hold a mass Quran burning rally, for putting more money in the hands of Quran printers. Crucially, I never for once, imagined the pastor's inciting threats represented the views of other Christians. So even if Sameera claims she'll react violently, I don't see why that should be an objective gauge of Islam anymore than Terry Jones should be an objective gauge of Christianity.

Maybe the question you really should ask is: What point is anybody who threatens to burn a religious text of another religion trying to make? It comes across as exceptionally hypocritical when you claim you're a pacifist.

I'm targeting fact in this question and the simple fact remains that the most peaceful muslim on earth is ready to shed blood to protect their holy book or their prophet from being desecrated.99% of muslims will do this whether peaceful or extremist.
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This speaks volumes about the peace claim of the said peaceful adherents if we want to be honest.
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Only if you really want to be honest acknowledge the subtle inbred violent trait and find ways to peacefully deal with it.Only then will the world acknowledge that you fellas are serious about peace.

Sameera025, I want to challenge the stand of some of you that want to be identified as peaceful muslims.
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Here's the trick to determine how peaceful any religion is:- What will be the reaction of a peaceful adherent if their holybook is burnt or prophet insulted?
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Ans:
Muslims: The most peaceful muslim is sure to breathe violence and slaughter to the pepetrators plus spill over to innocent people.
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Christians: Christians will most likely ignore or at the worst invoke curses but there's definitely not gonna be any bloodshed.
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So dear Samerra025 what will be your honest reaction should someone defiantly burn your Quran or insult your prophet? Honesty pleaseeeee!!!

frosbel:
All I see here is emotional tantrums and religious fanaticism.

Anyone with an objective mind will see through your rant as a desperate attempt to fight back at what you PERCEIVE is an attack on your delusions.

With the number of business centres churches in Nigeria, if only 1.5% of the members exhibited these traits you highlighted , the country Could have been a heaven on earth ;

"..it takes selflessness,discipline,self denial,virtue,integrity,suffering,sacrifice & many times love to avoid sin"

On the contrary to your statement however , what we see among your 'holy group ' is selfishness ( avoiding sin for reward , not for the love of others ), indiscipline, self aggrandizement especially by your so called MOG, vice, no integrity whatsoever, suffering ?? is this a joke, and sin aplenty .

You know why ? Because you guys don't know what Love means and the compelling reason for church attendance, tithe payment etc is for SELFISH REASONS. That's why Pastors sleep with their members and especially wives, that's why there is no difference between the level of sin in the 'world' and in the so called 'church' etc.

Read 1 John and 1 Corinthians 13.

Keep deceiving yourselves !!

Empty as usual.

Frosbel will use every crafty tactics to attack the person of Christ,to attack christianity,to attack the jews,to attack pastors,to attack the church,to nullify the validity of the bible,and now to attack the subject of sin.People may not know your disguised intent but I think I'm beginning to figure out where you are going & who you are.
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N.B: For those that listen....it takes selflessness,discipline,self denial,virtue,integrity,suffering,sacrifice & many times love to avoid sin.So please avoid it no matter the available reason.Avoiding sin for God's reward IS NOT WRONG!!!

Highly misleading info from the poster.Standby time is 1 month doesn't mean no charging for 1 month if you use the phone daily.It only applies when you didn't use the phone at all for 1 month.Phone talktime is only 20 hours meaning that if you use the phone for calls on a stretch, it lasts only about 1 day and not 1 month.

honourhim:
Young man much as I agree with most of the things you said here, the question remains-

1. Are you righteous?
2. Are you not arrogant and judgmental on issues as we see in this forum?
3. Are you making positive impact in this country?
4. Do you support the poor?

Its one thing to preach and another to live by what you preach.

Thank you.

EroticAngelina:
I agree with u. Nt all religions are perfect.

When i say muslims are violent, they say im insultive.
No offense to muslims, bt islam z a violent religion! Islam brought terrorism! Boko shekau said that the quran said they should kill to make heaven, what sort of thing is that? Its so bad. Even upon all the christians they've killed, we(christians) dnt fight bk!
Thats why buhari should never be voted into power!! Coz if he becums president, this country z DOOMED! DOOMED i tel u! and im nt saying this coz i hate muslims, im sayin this bkus its true! islam z a violent religion, and they want nigeria to be islamized!
But if muslims can becum peaceful, naija will prosper.

gejtill2019!

You're probably in the wrong place.I don't thing we're discussing politics here.

My consideration has been on why Islamists choose to enforce their religion by violence while they have a lot in their religion that can attract people without the use of force.A lot of virtues they teach that can easily conquer the world with its beauty.I don't negate the fact that their are a few repulsive contents like under-aged infant marriage to adults but other religions also have their sour areas that aren't bloodshed.
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They resort to violence when they see their religion declining and Christianity rising in numbers by christian aggressive evangelistic efforts or when their beliefs are threatened.
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My conclusion is that Islamists use violence partly because of (1.) gross and total laziness that has led to failure to aggressively evangelize their religion as Christians do.(2.)As well failure in the area of living shinning examplary lives that can attract the hardest sceptics.They now resort to the lazy mans way out which is violence and bloodshed.
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The bottom line is that Violence makes Islam greviously repulsive.

malvisguy212:
Muhammed die of posion, even when he recite the incantation of the quran.it dint work;
Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Number 5440:

Aisha reported that when Allah’s
Messenger fell ill, he recited over his
body Mu’awwidhatan and blew over
him and when his sickness was
aggravated I used to recite over
him and rub him with his hand with
the hope that it was more blessed.

THE DEVIL IMPERSONATOR,GABRIEL PRAYED BUT IT DINT WORK;

Ibn Sa’d, page 265:

The apostle of Allah fell ill and he i.e.
Gabriel, chanted on him, saying, “In
the name of Allah I chant on to ward
off from you every thing that harms
you and (to ward off you) against
every envier and from every evil eye
and Allah will heal you.”


Let us analyze the prayers of this
“Gabriel.” He stated very positively that
Allah “will heal” the Prophet. He said,
“In the name of Allah Who will cure
you and Who will heal you from every
malady.” Muhammad had every reason
to believe, because it was this very same “Gabriel” who brought the messages of the Qur’an from Allah to him. Yet, the prayers of this spirit were not answered by Allah. So how could this spirit be so sure that Allah “will cure” Muhammad when he actually did not? Can this “Gabriel” be trusted? Can the Qur’an, which was transmitted through this same deceiving spirit, be trusted? If this spirit lied about the outcome of the sickness, could he not have also lied about the divine claim of the Qur’an? Are not these clues as to who this spirit really is?

Why did not Allah prevent “Gabriel” from delivering a false promise of hope to Muhammad? If Allah could permit “Gabriel” to make a false statement regarding a matter that concerns the life and death of his Prophet, could he not have also
permitted other false messages to be transmitted to. Muhammad? Can
the other messages delivered by this
“Gabriel” be trustworthy? According to
Islamic theology, “Gabriel” is the “Holy
Spirit” (Ruh Al-Qudus). Can the “Holy
Spirit” be wrong about the outcome of
Muhammad’s illness?

You have finally and permanently defeated that religion.Non of them can ever reply this.

frosbel:
You guys trolling a former brother because he abandoned your myths ??

I apologise if this has caused you guys considerable pain but allow me share my experiences of religion and the way it is practiced in Nigeria .

And as for the LIE about this being my first thread that has ever promoted righteousness, you need to take a step back and perform due diligence before you spout of these half truths.

Now back to the point , it is clear to even a child that enough light will gradually and eventually push out darkness. Children of God are supposed to be children of light and the more they are in number , the less darkness there should be by common logic.

With 30m believers in Nigeria , is it too high an expectation to see considerable parts of the country blossom with righteousness and peace. On the contrary, the more your mushroom pentecostal cults multiple, the more wickedness and mayhem reign. There is something not right with this picture.

Of course I didn't expect anything more that your usual display of brazen arrogance.So go on and and ever remain OYO.A sure guaranteed formular for a fruitless christian(if ever you are a christian).

frosbel:
...........if you continue to be a stereotype Christian who is arrogant, judgemental and condescending in attitude, you are OYO, which is to say you are on your own....

You seem to be clearly describing yourself here.
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And why do you still quote from the bible while you've made everyone on this forum including muslims and atheists to see the bible as a fraud.
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Anyway let me overlook your excesses for a moment for the reason that this is the first thread ever you created that ever exalted righteousness.
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A word of advice: Preach righteousness and leave the ego of the men of God for God to handle and deal with your own ego and failures.That's the only time your message will create impact and bear fruit.

paulGrundy:
This seem like a full copy and paste from the watchtower book- what does the bible really teach.

And Much more a full copy and paste from Frosbel by Frosbel himself.

http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=15146

(Israel)—Addressing the Foreign Press Corps today, following news of the European Union's decision to recognize Palestinian statehood, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin had this to sayPhoto via Facebook)
Today we witnessed a series of examples of European naivety, and may I add, hypocrisy: the decision of the European court in Luxembourg on Hamas, the resolution of the EU Parliament in Brussels on Palestinian statehood, and the call from Switzerland to investigate Israel for supposed violations of the Geneva Convention. Now all these point in the same direction. They point to a spirit of appeasement in Europe of the very forces that threaten Europe itself. Too many in Europe are calling on Israel to make concessions that would endanger not only the security of Israel, but also paradoxically, the security of Europe itself because Israel is the forward position of European civilization. Israel is the bulwark of European values. Israel is a pluralist, vibrant multi-party democracy.

http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=15146

frosbel:
Impossicant, God is real and so is Christ.

But what advice do you want to give me as a former brother, should I stop all research and quit listening to these ex-christian pastors who are also professors ?

Should I ignore glaring contradictions and accept them by faith as the truth ?

Please give me some advice.

Carnal head knowledge of spiritual matters without the wisdom,unction,inspiration and "revelation knowledge" of the spirit of God will lead to destruction.

2 peter 1 :
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Your problem has always been that "I too know" spiritual pride that propels you to the read the sacred writ with your university degree intelligence.First from that scripture those men are 'holy'.When you read about them you understand that they give themselves to prayers,fastings,total consecration before God gives them the "revelation knowledge".You lack all these.

frosbel:
I want to correct some charges that have been brought against me by many religious people on this forum, suggesting that I am an atheist for debunking their myths and contradictions.

I am not an Atheist.

Of course there is God but I am sincerely beginning to doubt that he is the God of the Christian religion.

I have found out that almost 80% of what I learnt as a Christian is either an outright lie, a frabication or a heavy dose of scripture twisting.

Most of you know how fanatical I was a few years ago , fighting for the trinity , hell fire, Virgin birth etc , well ever since I embarked on a crash course on bible history , it is only God who has prevented my faith from crashing.

No one who reads the truth will deny that there are fundamental issues with a lot of bible stories and scripture. To suggest otherwise makes one a liar and participant in the misrepresentation of God's truth.

I agree with he overall message of the bible ( for there are many truths therein ) , but I cannot agree that it is word of a God when taken as a whole. This is just plain fallacy. Yes , God through his Spirit speaks to us and agrees with the truths he has revealed without which almost everything will become suspect.

I am still learning and now reading a book titled ' the authentic gospel of Jesus ' by late Geza Vermes, Professor Emeritus of Jewish studies at Oxford university. He was a former catholic priest. I am also an avid reader of articles by Bart Ehrmn Professor of Religious studies at the University of North Carolina. Bart was a former Evangelical Pastor.

What I have discovered is shocking and not for the faint hearted.

To be honest , I don't know where my quest and thirst for more knowledge will take me , sometimes I am scared, but this search will continue and my results will be shared wth you my good friends and of course enemies on this forum .

In summary , I am not an atheist and can never be one , not in this life or the next.

I am now an unfundamental thinking believer.

I pity you.Even a blind man can guess the direction you are going.Gradual progression with a certain end just as its been predicted several times on this forum.

frosbel:
I don't know where my quest and thirst for more knowledge will take me

asalimpo:
i dont support gayness like i dont support fornication and adultery.
But hav u ever seen the bible sanction religious polices? No.
Everybody is free to live out what is in his heart and that's how God wants it. He'll judge our behaviour and motives. It's not for man to judge.
To qualify my point. The only time man's actions are to b curtailed if it results in ill being of another human being and if it objectively morally gross.
E.g shud a murderer b free to go kill unstopped, no.
Shud prostitutes b allowed to legalise their trade? No . Its objectively morally gross.

So being gay is not objectively morally gross? I shudder.

UTTERLY SENSELESS THREAD.
I'd rather belong to a religion that has sword written all over their holy book but in the present reality will not hurt a fly than belong to a religion that has no sword written in its holy book but in reality breathes the highest level of bloodshed,beheadings,slaughter,hate,bitterness,aggression ever known to mankind all over the world.

asalimpo:
this is wicked! Gayz hav their right to choose their orientation.

I don't believe this is coming from you.I marvel.Must the mind of everyone be subverted these last days.

Abuamam:
I guess they want the Australian Government to bring their soldiers back home from Iraq. What else?

BTW, you double posted.

Are you their spokesman? please where do you belong.

frosbel:
One Spirit, right ?? Then why over 40,000 divisions ?

Lets even start with you.Are you perfectly united with your puppet subordinates that will soon begin to emerge on this thread as they do in all your threads to urge you foward even when they don't have a clue.

akagaba:
While I was working in a muslim mosque as an imam, as a parish priest, I preach in my parish that Jesus Christ is not God, for me, God was only Allah, and I believed Allah never got married, so no sons for Allah. So I preached there that Jesus is not God. Then somebody ask me, who is Jesus?’’ from the crowd. Maybe a muslim, but he asked me, who is Jesus?’’ I was preaching he is not God, but the question is who is he? To know who is Jesus? I read the entire Koran once again: 114 chapters, 6666 in the Koran when I read it, the name of prophet Muhammad. I found it in Koran 4 places, but the name of Jesus I found in 25 places. There itself, I was a little confused. Why does the Koran give more preference to Jesus? And second thing, I could not see any woman’s name in Koran: the Prophet Muhammad’s mother’s name, or wife’s name, no, in the Koran, there is only one woman’s name that i found is Mariam, the mother of Jesus no other woman’s name. And in the holy Koran chapter 3, the name of the chapter is family of Mariam,’’ and holy Koran chapter 19, the name of the chapter itself is ‘’MARIAM’’ one chapter is ‘’MARIAM’’ so I was very curious to know why does Koran says all these things about MARIAM, holy Koran chapter 3 verse 34 onwards says that Mary was born without original sin, she never committed any sin in her life, she was ever virgin.
Koran chapter 50 verses 23 say that she went to heaven with her physical body. Even the assumption is writing in the holy Koran and then about Jesus, when I read chapter 3 verses 45 to 55 verses, there is 10 point which the Koran makes about Jesus. The first thing Koran says (kallimatulli) the arabic word which means ‘’the of God’’ and second thing is ( ahimokuli ) which mean spirit of God and the third (isa masi) which means Jesus Christ so Koran give the name for Jesus WORD OF GOD, SPIRIT OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST. And then Koran says that Jesus spoke when he was very small, like 2 days old. after his birth he began to speak , Koran says that Jesus created a live bird with mud. He took some mud, he formed a bird; when breathed into it, it became a live bird. So I think Jesus can give life because he gave life to mud, clay, and then Koran says that Jesus cured a man born blind and a man with leprosy, e.t.c
Curiously, the Koran says that Jesus gave life to dead people; Jesus went to heaven; he is still alive and he will come again. When I saw all these things in the Koran I taught of what Koran says about Muhammad, according to the Koran, prophet Muhammad is not the word of God, not spirit of God he never spoke when he was 2 days old, he never created any bird with mud, he never cure any sick people, he never raised any dead people, he himself died, and according to Islam he is not alive and he will not come back. So there is a lot of different between these two prophets. I didn’t call Jesus, God, you know my idea was ‘’He is a prophet but he is a prophet greater than Muhammad; so one day I went to my teacher, the one who taught me 10 years in Arabic college, and I ask him, teacher, how did God created the universe? Then he said God created the universe through the word,’’ THROUGH THE WORD. Then my question is: ‘’WORD’’ is creator or creation? He must clear this, my question is whether the WORD of God is creator or creation. Koran says Jesus is WORD of God. If my teacher says word of God is creator, which means Jesus is the creator, then muslim must become Christian suppose if he says the word is creation he will be trapped. You know why? He said everything was created through the word. Suppose if he said the word is creation, then how did God created the word? So he cannot say that the word is creator, or creation, so he was quite angry he push me out of his room and said word is not God, not creator or the creation you get out of here, ‘’he said
The reason why Muslim doesn’t accept to be Christian is because they are blinded with the wrong teaching of their priest, Imam. They said that the word is creation they try to prove it wrongly…… they say the word is not creator, not the creation, but not God. And no creation also. They don’t equal with God, that all their problem. So when he said that I told my teacher, word is not the creator or the creation.’’ So, that is why Christian says the word is son of God. Then he told me if there is son for God, I must show him the wife of God. That without wife no chance of having a son then I showed him a portion from the Koran. Koran says that God can see without eyes, God can talk without tongue, God can hear without ears. It is writing in the Koran. I said if that is the case, so God can have a child without a wife. I took my Koran, I put it on my chest, and I said ‘’Allah’’, tell me what I should do because your Koran says Jesus is still alive, and Mohammad is no more. Tell me whom should I accept.’’ after my prayer I opened the Koran, I didn’t asked anyone, I asked only my Allah. When I opened Koran, I saw chapter 10 verses 94. You know what Koran says? It says if you have any doubt in this Koran which I give to you, go and read the Bible, or ask the people, those who read the Bible. The truth is already revealing that.
I beg all muslim to give their life to Christ because he is the only way to the kingdom of God. Please don’t perish like other muslims that is serving the god they do not know. I welcome you into Christ Jesus as you change your mind to accept him today. God bless you.


Former Imam
Musa Magaji.

Islam finally defeated.....by no one else but its own sacred book.

Too nice..really.Even though I don't understand few of them.

Fine.Just pray for forgiveness and put the equivalent of that money in the offering bag of a genuine righteousness based church to return it back to God who in turn will return it back to the owner however He deems fit and also reward you.

Congratulations because your conscience is still alive in this world of multitudes with dead consciences.

asalimpo:
There are no objective atheists , the replies to this post prove it.

Thanks for coming to that conclusion early enough.Infact I long ago concluded that there is no atheist on Nairaland.What we have are deliberate haters of the Idea of God just so it renders them immune to accountability.

Besides, multitude of genuine christians for generations since the time of Christ have proved by their mode of worship that God can be worshipped without any form of image representation whatsoever yet roman catholics are hell bent on pushing their man made(maybe devil made) image worship model.Lets not talk about their goddess Mary which for them is a concluded matter whether God likes it or not.

OP, You didn't clear the air.You stuffed the air the more.You are giving idol worshippers excuse to keep their images and you are deliberately scripture twisting to pave way & create good excuse for catholic idolatory.
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Exodus 20:4 and 5 states plainly:-
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

#idols)
And DesChyko states thus:-

DesChyko:

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He has, by no means, banned the creation of all religious images.

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Jesus has answer for you here:-
Matthew 5:1-6 >>
6............ Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

#idols)

And God himself replies you here:-
Ezekiel 14:1-4>>
3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?
4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God ; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the Lord will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;

OP your numbers 9 and 10 are absolutely wrong.Many inaccurate descriptions among some of the other numbers.