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Why look for histoical evidences of Jesus while at the mention of Jesus name millions have been healed,delivered,saved.Possessed,addicted,armed robbers,prostitutes freed.Several dreams,visions,revelations and plain physical visitations from Him or His angels from millions overtime.Also all the prophesies in the bible are being fulfilled in precise accuracy especially the ones regarding the events in these last days.These are more than enough and better evidences to me.

Yes, its a sin equal to stealing in secret.They rendered you the service and it wasn't for free.You relied on the conductors error of omission to keep your money.Besides your thread title is misleading.It should be titled the conductor "FORGOT" to take money and not "REFUSED".

EstarKeys:
When you cant speak in tongues,does it mean you dont have a full salvation in christ?

You have full salvation in Christ once you reject sin and begin to live a righteous life and not when you speak in tongues.Most people that claim to speak in tongue today live the worst Christian life I have ever seen.Genuine speaking in tongue comes after the genuine old time holy ghost baptism.There is fake holy ghost baptism which is evident everywhere today.

gatiano:
it shows that you are not confident with what you are saying, you are a mischief maker, you don't read, you follow just what others say, it may be that in the end, you are a heaven candidate but just because you are follower of what you are not sure of, you would follow the devils to hell. call out your friends, come in hundreds, i'm all here, show me where quran says spill blood.

When your cover has been blown you folks resort to insults.I'll not descend so low to join issues with you.Since you are bent on insults the discussion should end here.But I'll leave you with this.Go and check the relevant verses that your type in Iraq,Palestine,Iraq,boko haram and ISIS are quoting to justify their bloodshed.

OLAADEGBU:
The bible warns us to beware of your likes who rely on their brains instead of on the Word of God.

Bros Olaadegbu,I like the way you always beat that joker to pieces whenever he surfaces with his puppet surbordinates.It reminds me of how Christ after beating the devil to pieces declared "it is finished".

gatiano:
bring on the verses brother, bring it on, let us settle here and now, i haven't read the whole of Quran, not even 30%, but i'm very sure that you are very wrong. bring it on if you are true. throw out the verses where in it says kill without a reason.

Now I know you are probably seeking prolonged arguements because you and I know that so many threads and posts have been made on this matter on this forum.I'm not in the mood for that sort of thing now so you can easily use nairaland search tool to find the relevant posts and threads.

usermane:
Because this penalty for theft is unethically excessive. It violates the moral and scriptural principle of equity and moderation in handling criminal. Amputating a thief is just as good as burning down a car simply because the driver violated parking rule. It fair well as a deterrence, but it falls short of justice.

To ensure equity and balance in dealing with thieves, the value of the item(s) stolen have to be considered. That is why our first inquiry on learn of a theft is; "what was stolen?". Shari'ah failure to take this into account lead it to decree amputation for any thief, whether the stolen good is a gallon of gasoline or a motorcycle. Of course, a thief is a thief, but to penalize one who stole a piano and one who stole a van equally by amputation is injustice and disproportionate.

In the end, having lost academically, Shari'ah advocates begin invoke the scriptures.

Sharia also misses it because they'll cut off the hand of a poor petty criminal that steals a motor bike but will ignore a thieving government official that steals millions or billions of government funds with his pen.I've never heard of a rich man that ever got amputated in sharia regions yet many of them looted to wealth.You only get to see poor,wretched folks being amputated.

gatiano:
You made a good point, the question is what happened to Islam? The Quran is a perfect book, You won't find it lacking, it is so clear and balanced that i consider it it best of all books.

I don't agree that the quran is a perfect book.Many verses in it clearly promote unjustified bloodshed and slaughter.You cannot claim to know more than all the multitudes of Islamists and Islamic scholars in Iran,Iraq,Saudi,Pakistan that live by the quran alone and are breathing slaughter against harmless,crimeless,innocent people all because they are infidels.

gatiano:
Sharia is good, it is a law that put people in check, the problem is how it is applied. for example a sharia personnel must be a scientist, he must have studied a whole rage of subjects for not less than 25 to 40 years. example. a good sharia personnel would not say, kill prostitutes, no he won't, he would address first the work and duty of the woman in the society, he would ensure that the men in the society keep their responsibility to the society and their family. when all that is proper, then any protitute and her customer and love-vendor must be brought to justice.
A good sharia personnel will not suddenly stop a man that drinks 8 bottles of beer everyday, that is killing the man, the purpose now will be to save the man by helping him spiritually to stop drinking by reducing the beer, like, make the man start drinking 6 bottle for a whole month, then reduce to five, then to 4 till he can do without the beers, it might take 6 to 9 months. this is how sharia can clean up a whole country, plus also remove officials stealing public funds. sharia is science and mathematics.

According to you and not according to Islam and definitely not according to your quaran or hadith.Also not according to the general practise of Islamists in Iran,Pakistan,Saudi & worldwide that know Islam more than you.
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Moreover you think its right to kill a prostitute after scientifically trying to address the cause of the prostitution & she continues.Are there not more mild punishments like imprisonment.Why must your religion always be about death,slaughter,beheading and blood letting.Did the prostitute shed blood?

This is the doctrine that gave birth to these new generation churches wilfully living filthy lives because since they were once saved and Christ has atoned for them,no amount of sin can remove that forever.I agree with the nairalander that mentioned awhile ago that Its the same doctrine that has given birth to gay churches and proudly gay pastors and clergy.Its a doctrine that has the ability to create another Sodom and Gomorrah in modern day.

torchwave:
Therefore their IQ is great whose skins are white, even though they preach Jesus Christ all over the world, right?

Proof of God's existence? Like God is a tangible personality you can see or touch just like matter. If the numberless testimonies of people who have encountered God in death (with medical proofs of their deaths), the countless testimonies of healings, miracles and deliverance from darkness by many who are now witnesses through experience of the reality of God, if the testimonies of little kids who have had an encounter with God, who had no previous knowledge of His Word or any other religion do not suffice as proof enough of God's existence, if the earth and all that are in it, if the universe with its planets and moons, sun and stars do not suffice as proof, if the birth of Jesus Christ (God in human flesh) does not satisfy your doubt, if all these things and more which point to the fact that God exists do not convince you, then, my friend, it's no one's fault that your blindness is so hopeless.

EXCELLENT!! Its best you dont bother yourself bros.I've long concluded that there's no atheist existing anywhere on Nairaland.What we have are individuals that hate God who deliberately ignore infallible evidences as are in your post just to create excuse to mock God and fully satisfy their sinful cravings without being bothered by conscience.

OP Just incase you are being honest,fasting and night vigil for the rest of your life doesn't mean you must do it every single day.I understand it to mean you have to regularly do it at intervals.Choose the most convenient days of the week to fast or do night vigil.You can skip vigils on the day you fast & vice versa.If you fast or do vigil today,you can rest the next day.

true2god:
According to frosbel:

1) All churches are fake.

2) All preachers are fake

3) Don't attend any church, stay at home on sundays.

4) Don't spend your money\resources for the gospel, the pastors are thieves that are after your money.

5) Except frosbel, any other person cannot understand the bible or correct him where he errs.

6) Nigerian christians\churches (except frosbel) are charllatans who have no knowledge of the bible and are being deceived, etc.

Straight....and Direct....expecially number 5 & 6. This is one person that is quick to find fault with Churches and pastors when his own life is riddled with so many glaring flaws.You can easily tell that he isn't bearing any fruit of single soul won for christ.A fruitless christian(if he's one at all) full of criticism and bitterness.

Can someone clearly highlight the ones that haven't been fulfilled.Its very important cos many appear to be fulfilled already though we can't conclude on some that seemed to be too opened ended.

lastchild:
I fought a demon for 6 years,a demon that almost killed me,a demon that almost brought me to going around begging food,a demon that made me almost take my own life,I was in bondage all the while

Now I finally got delivered after 6 years of battle,I was placed on daily fasting and midnight prayers,I've been excited all these days while waiting for the day I'll quit the fast and the midnight prayers(which is the most difficult)

But sadness took over me this evening that my pastor informed me that the midnight prayers has to be part of me forever,this is a bigger bondage,sleep that I couldn't trade for any other thing in this world

Is this actually a deliverance or just an exchange of sleep to demonic torment?

whoever will believe your story.If only you were honest.

@OP. Malvisguy212 God bless and reward you with wisdom and excellence.I've always seen these ungodly wicked atheists and even so called christians accusing God of wickedness and It pained me a lot that there's none among the faithful on this forum that can prove to them that those people and nations were extremely evil in their ways despite Gods warnings.

You'll always see in the bible where God still gave them a lot of time while in their extreme wickedness and bloodshed saying their cup is not yet full or their time is not yet come.Yet the evil people on this forum are quick to label God as wicked.

true2god:
Aside from criticizing christians\pastors\churches on NL, it will be good for Mr 'solomon' frobel to share with us the contribution he is making lately for the propagation of the gospel.

How many people has he preached christ to in his neighbourhood? When last did he go to church and which church does he attend? Which pastor, by frosbel's standard, is preaching\doing the right thing?

I'm no pastor chris fan or follower, but frosbel's attack on all pastors\christians\denominations made be conclude he is a satanic agent bent on subtly fighting the people with the pretext of 'exposing' them.

Instead of channelling all your energy fighting christ and the church, why dont you spend the same time preach repentance and righteousness.

PERFECT!!.....TOO PRECISE!!....I disdain the methods of them Pastor Chris and lots of these new generation preachers but the billion dollar question is of what use is this Frosbel fella to the body of Christ.He is only fully bent on pulling down all ministries & General Overseers both the true and untrue and the imperfect who are yet making effort.
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These men transverse the planet making effort to win millions of people to Christ even in their severe imperfections.But Frosbel can never show any single testimony of a single soul he has won for Christ whether in nairaland or outside it.

Youngsage:
I thought you guys had a section all to yourselves? What is the meaning of this? Why then post this here?
Now who is going to ban alisha4u

Someone is exposing the defects of islam and you are whinning.So even non muslims hate the truth about Islam.And how do you know she's muslim.

Religionsection:
Is it the boredom virus ravaging your wilderness section that makes you to come here and post something that's doesn't concern us?
Be wise, madam..
Nairaland.com/islam

Someone is saying the truth about Islam for the first time and you are busy antagonizing her.Can't you read?

omonuan:
Yep, there you go! When you are losing an argument resort to name calling. This is a time tested last resort for losers- -ad hominem attack. Why not present your point rather than name calling? You are the one that is in a cult, the cult of personality of Paul.

Therefore you see no evil and hear no evil about him despite all the evidence that abounds.

I suspect these Paul Antagonists are nothing but occultists and satanists vested with the authority to twist & discredit the scriptures and cause confusion and disharmony by using such means as deliberatly misrepresenting paul & such like.
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Its nothing new to me.They even said Jesus was married & had kids and another group stated that Jesus went down to Egypt and acquired occultic powers which was used in His 3 year ministry.

OP this thread fully agrees with you unreservedly:-
https://www.nairaland.com/1834437/saw-worrisome-reality-it-made