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all4naija:
I mean this particular one, the 'Ife King Bronze head' we are told to be the most significant one. The image below:
https://images.booksamillion.com/covers/bam/0/71/412/592/071412592X.jpg

British museum

all4naija:
Where is the Ife King bronze head at the moment?

Some are owned by the British museum, and others are owned by Ile-ife themselves. In the videos it mentioned how some are owned by the oba and the others in the British museum.

even though I am christian I respect what they are doing and all for them doing the documentary

[quote author= link=topic=815140.msg9668255#msg9668255 date=1322724432]For the third time, but he's yet to win one. Well, he doesn't care about being nominated. Yes! He revealed this last year.  His first Grammy nomination was in 2003, for the critically-acclaimed album, Fight to Win. Femi kuti's Day By Day received a nomination for Best Contemporary World Music Album in 2010. And now he has received his third nomination

BEST WORLD MUSIC ALBUM
-AfroCubism, AfroCubism
-Africa For Africa, Femi Kuti
-Songs From a Zulu Farm, Ladysmith & -Black Mambazo
-Tassili, Tinariwen


Well, femi has vowed not to attend the Grammys again after losing out the first time he was nominated. Femi disclosed then that he regret attending the prestigious event.

"When I arrived at the red carpet, nobody came for me, my record company didn't come, I felt silly and so I knew I could not win. I sacked my manager, a French man, and they sacked me too. The journed back home was very long. I felt sad. Since then I vowed never to attend the Grammy Awards again.
My father never went for any awards, and where they presented him an
Read full story
http://www.jimmysonde.com/2011/12/femi-kuti-grammy-nominated-for-third.html?m=1[/quote]I understand where he is coming from, with that experience who could blame him for not wanting to go back to the Grammys. To be real the Grammy's really doesn't care for African musicians, or non-westernized musicians, it sad but obvious. I feel there needs to be a time that Africans create a Music awards for themselves like they did with the AMAA.

amor4ce:
I doubt if they were to attach crowns or bead-like decorations as such would have been excavated alongside the figurines. However, if hair were attached then it would have decayed over time underground or when exposed to the elements.

it is just a theory of mine but I know for sure those holes were used for holding something to the head, what it is we may never know unless evidence of some explanation comes up

amor4ce:
Furthermore it strongly supports the Orun Oba Ado claim:
If it was a standard practice from Ife then the heads of Benin kings could truly have been taken to Ife for the sculptors to produce the bronze replica with the hair attached and sending such to Benin. This can be verified by finding out if Benin royal bronze heads had similar holes and if any of their rulers had braided hair.

I doubt either or influenced one another when it comes to bronze sculpting, to me they had the influence from the Nok, and they separately advanced it in their own way without each others help.

amor4ce:
These figurines include holes  around the fringes of the scalp, moustache and beard. A certain Biblical anthropologist asserts that figurines excavated from the city of David (Dawodu) included such perforations in which hair from the dead (deified?) ancestor/ruler was woven. My argument was that if the hair was kinky that would pose challenges. however, the response I got was that rulers at that time had their hair braided. Previously I had thought Sango's was an exception and that the perforations had to do with the casting technique. Also, the records of Yoruba rulers we seem to have are not distant from the period of Sango's reign.

Do you know of any other Yoruba ruler whose hair was plaited/braided?
Are there any other reasons for the perforations?

https://img.artknowledgenews.com/files2010apr/Obalufon-Dynasty-and-Divinity-Ife-Art.jpghttp://www.artknowledgenews.com/2010-04-25-20-45-27-museum-announces-us-tour-of-ife-art-in-ancient-nigeria-exhibition.html

https://www.africanart.org/uploads/products/images/final_ife_frontbookcover_tiny_copy2.jpghttp://www.africanart.org/products/228/dynasty_and_divinity_ife_art_in_ancient_nigeria

[img]http://hum.lss.wisc.edu/hjdrewal/Ife5.jpg[/img]http://hum.lss.wisc.edu/hjdrewal/Ife.html

Do you know of any other Yoruba ruler whose hair was plaited/braided?
I have heard Sango or Shango did, I haven't looked into too much but Sango comes to mind though
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shango

Are there any other reasons for the perforations?
well when it comes to the little holes on the top edges of the scalp I am not sure but when it comes to the neck area, on some of the statues there is one big hole and in the documentary one of the researchers suspected and concluded it was meant to hold decorative red coral beading necklace(the ones you see in Nigerian engagements being worn or by royal families) that they attached to the hole of the statue in the neck area, I suspect their maybe a connection between that and those small holes that you mentioned in the scalp area, maybe it was used to attach decorations to but for some reason I doubt it though, to me I feel those small holes were there to attach maybe a crown though, that seems more likely to me.

Nnenna1:
I came across this interesting piece in wikipedia about the average human height per country in the world, and did a tally of the reported heights from Some African countries. See below:

                            Male                                Female

Nigeria           1.638 m (5 ft 4 1⁄2 in)             1.578 m (5 ft 2 in)

Mali                1.713 m (5 ft 7 1⁄2 in)             1.604 m (5 ft 3 in)

Cameroon      1.706 m (5 ft 7 in)                   1.613 m (5 ft 3 1⁄2 in)

Cote D'Ivoire  1.701 m (5 ft 7 in)                   1.591 m (5 ft 2 1⁄2 in)

Ghana            1.695 m (5 ft 6 1⁄2 in)              1.585 m (5 ft 2 1⁄2 in)

Gambia           1.680 m (5 ft 6 in)                    1.578 m (5 ft 2 in)

Malawi            1.660 m (5 ft 5 1⁄2 in)              1.550 m (5 ft 1 in)

South Africa     1.690 m (5 ft 6 1⁄2 in)              1.590 m (5 ft 2 1⁄2 in)


Nigerian men came out to be the shortest in this list. I find this a little strange - obviously there are issues that undermine the data (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_height). And yes, I know it's Wikipedia. But hmm, 

If you look at the source even Chinese, Vietnamese and Mexican men one-upped Nigerians.

wow I am surprised about this average height information, Average for Nigerian men are 5 ft 4 in, wow I guess Cameroon and Ivory coast take the lead

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=797242.msg9659868#msg9659868 date=1322609623]that olokun head looks very nice with the blue background.

quite apt imo, since olokun is linked to the sea.[/quote]Yeah I agree

Good Bless this man, this is Good news for Nigeria; sometimes I get tired of hearing the American media demonize Nigeria.

[quote author=baby-boy link=topic=800718.msg9658598#msg9658598 date=1322595226]Theirs nothing called african american movie industry

Please prove me wrong[/quote]true but movies made by and portraying african american culture is called that; the word doesn't legally exist but it is used to refer to movies made by the black american demographic. Tyler Perry is considered Black hollywood for example

wow nice car, congratulations to her

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=797242.msg9657329#msg9657329 date=1322583509]i could be wrong, but i think the link anthropologists of that time were looking for, was the one between ancient egypt [or africa] and the new world civilizations [ie the pyramids, calendars, religion, etc].


now, its possible the link in question was from africa, but it could also have gone through asia.

or run concurrently.


but there was a theory back then, about a proto-atlantean civilization somewhere between the west african and new world coasts.

of course, like the city of gold and the alchemists' base metal, it was never found, but there could be another explanation.[/quote]It's possible because in the video's it was mentioned that some of the people who first discovered the sculptures from Ife were racist and didn't want to believe, even though it was obvious that it was from Black africans, Yoruba's specifically. so I won't be surprised if they were finding a link besides the obvious

[quote author=baby-boy link=topic=800718.msg9655610#msg9655610 date=1322569888]Whats Black Hollywood? or are you refering to African-American movies or movies acted by African American actresses/actors? because theirs no industry called black hollywood, may be theirs a group of association called Black Hollywood but thiers no legally recognised industry called black Hollywood, because legally Black Hollywood is the name of an record Album[/quote]well the african american movie industry is called Black Hollywood, to describe their movies, actors, directors, and etc

[img]http://farafinabooks.files./2010/03/13-14th-century-seated-figure.jpg[/img]

OMG, lol