viruz007:

@freecocoa i admire your decision. Am not going to criticize any denomination here but ama point out a couple of things to you and offer you an invitation to were i worship.

My best friend is a witness so i know what they do. One issue they have wrong is the issue of the Holy Communion. They take it once a year meanwhile we are instructed to take it upon every 1st day of the week which happens to be Sunday. You can check the book of Acts 20:7.
"I have read thru that portion of the scripture because you quoted it, but I cannot understand that the food mentioned there is the one Jesus instructed us to observe. Please help me to understand this better."

I agree with them on the non-celebration of Xmas and Easter as those dates are not significant to you as a Christ follower(Christian). Xmas is said to be the DOB of Christ but if you do your research you would find out that period falls during winter and the bible states that Jesus was born when the shepherds were out tending to their flock, something not possible in winter. The occasions we are asked to celebrate Christ id through the Holy Communion to remember his death.

Witnesses have said the world will end in 1914 yet nothing happened and that belief that 144,000 will only go to heaven is total BULLCRAP.
" where did u get that from? why do people like telling lies against JWs? which JW told u that the world will end in 1914? or is that what your pastor told you to make you persecute the JWs? have you read in any of thier publications that the world would end by 1914?
Sincerely you need to check yourself and possibly whoever had told you that. As for the 144,000 stuff, pls believe what you shall read in Rev 7:2-4 and Rev 5:9,10, and not what anyone else says.The GOD i know gave us steps to live and make heaven and i list 'em here below:

- Hear the Word
- Believe the Word
- Repent of your sins
- Confess Jesus as your Lord and Personal Saviour
- Be Baptized i.e your fully immersed into a body of water not being sprinkled water or anytin that the call baptisms this days *sighs*
- Go to a bible believing Church were you get to hear the Word of God, give of your means, break bread and drink the cup and fellowship with your brethren in sweet wonderful fellowship.
- Live a life worthy of emulation. Be conformed to the likeness of Christ and i assure you your well on the way to making heaven,

I attend the "CHURCH OF CHRIST". Lemme knw were you at and i could get you the address of one so that you can visit so that you can clear the doubts in your heart. U can contact me personally @ 30530CCC. datz my bb pin or mail me @ darksaint007atgmaildotcom

viruz007:

@freecocoa i admire your decision. Am not going to criticize any denomination here but ama point out a couple of things to you and offer you an invitation to were i worship.

My best friend is a witness so i know what they do. One issue they have wrong is the issue of the Holy Communion. They take it once a year meanwhile we are instructed to take it upon every 1st day of the week which happens to be Sunday. You can check the book of Acts 20:7.
"I have read thru that portion of the scripture because you quoted it, but I cannot understand that the food mentioned there is the one Jesus instructed us to observe. Please help me to understand this better."

I agree with them on the non-celebration of Xmas and Easter as those dates are not significant to you as a Christ follower(Christian). Xmas is said to be the DOB of Christ but if you do your research you would find out that period falls during winter and the bible states that Jesus was born when the shepherds were out tending to their flock, something not possible in winter. The occasions we are asked to celebrate Christ id through the Holy Communion to remember his death.

Witnesses have said the world will end in 1914 yet nothing happened and that belief that 144,000 will only go to heaven is total BULLCRAP.
" where did u get that from? why do people like telling lies against JWs? which JW told u that the world will end in 1914? or is that what your pastor told you to make you persecute the JWs? have you read in any of thier publications that the world would end by 1914?
Sincerely you need to check yourself and possibly whoever had told you that. As for the 144,000 stuff, pls believe what you shall read in Rev 7:2-4 and Rev 5:9,10, and not what anyone else says.
The GOD i know gave us steps to live and make heaven and i list 'em here below:

- Hear the Word
- Believe the Word
- Repent of your sins
- Confess Jesus as your Lord and Personal Saviour
- Be Baptized i.e your fully immersed into a body of water not being sprinkled water or anytin that the call baptisms this days *sighs*
- Go to a bible believing Church were you get to hear the Word of God, give of your means, break bread and drink the cup and fellowship with your brethren in sweet wonderful fellowship.
- Live a life worthy of emulation. Be conformed to the likeness of Christ and i assure you your well on the way to making heaven,

I attend the "CHURCH OF CHRIST". Lemme knw were you at and i could get you the address of one so that you can visit so that you can clear the doubts in your heart. U can contact me personally @ 30530CCC. datz my bb pin or mail me @ darksaint007atgmaildotcom

Desire Kene Obi:

My dear, it sounds so much like you have made up your mind  to join them because you think they know the bible. As far as you are concern they are the only holy people who do the will of God, other churches are bad, and sinners who interpret the word of God to suit their goals. You have already judged and pronounced your verdict, but let me tell you, you are wrong. Jehovah's witness as you call them is considered a cult by many, if you like, join.
The reason why you think they know the bible so well and interpret it correctly is because you don't know the bible.
  How well do they interpret the bible when they teach that heaven is full and nobody can go to heaven, when Jesus said he is coming to take his people to heaven so that where he is there his people will also be.
When they come to preach to you tell them to pray first b/4 they start the teaching, you will see that they can never do it because is against their cult rules.
Bros, please consider the Jesus' guidelines in Matthew 6:1-8, before you start passing your judgement.
You said that they are holy, that they live by the word of God, ask them to tell you when they eat holy communion last, you will be shocked to know that they have not done that for a long time, ask them why they will tell you they're not qualified cos they are sinners(untrue).
I have so much to tell you but no time, am ready to be challenged by any of them. They bible says that this present earth will be destroyed by fire, they said no way, and you're telling me that they interpret bible well.Bros, if God destroys our planet earth, how will he fulfill his promise in  Psalms 37:9-11. Jesus said that we should pray for God's Kingdom to come, so that His will shall be done on earth as it is done in heaven Mathew 6:9-12. Does that make any sense to you?.
I use to reason on my own, if God was to destroy our planet earth, why hasn't he done that since Adam & Eve rebelled against him, and settle it all rather than prolonging and waiting on his creatures to be arguing whether he will do so or not? God has better plans for our planet earth than just destroy it, as a matter of fact he plans to destroy those ruining the earth(Revelation 11:18).
Please open your eyes o  

LagosShia:

i can see so much have being discussed and the thread is more or less a discussion among differing christian sects.as a muslim,it would be totally out of place to try to bring in my beliefs or propagate what i believe about JWs as i do comment on them randomly on this forum in particular.when it comes to beliefs and practices JWs are highly programmed and they hold many half-truths and fallacies and have based their religion on them.for the unsuspecting and the ignorant ones,it is very hard to untangle the webs the watchtower has spun.

i would stop short anyways,as i earlier mentioned that a thread was opened before this where i made some contributions:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-4050.288.html

for the die-hard JWs,it may be of interest for them to look at the site below and examine it.many accounts from ex-JWs are given.hope they do not hesitate to do that under any religious pretext which aims to imprison their thoughts and thinking:

http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/

niviso:

Pls what is required to remain in an approved condition before God? Is it the faith you had when you repented or is it the your effort at remainng pure? What is that effort you put? What does Mat. 24 :13 call for? Just faith? Pls lets think.
Pls who has other translations of James 2:4. I want to see them pls, pls.

ibukun obi:

Mr. Yakubu,
It will be better you end this discussion with people like pelezico and 1stcitizen, these guys have hardeened their heart. They know the truth but they have decided to follow the work of their father. This is exactly what their father did to God that led to what happened in the garden of eden, their father want to question God sovereignty.
My Joy is JW name has been vindicated on this thread and on this site.
Let them go and sort out their numerous problems and confussion with Islam, with paying TITHE or not, with Christmas, with Hell and the rest.
These guys just want to sylishly learn the facts from us.
They even said earliar that we are cult,
now they have seen the truth
it is left for them to choose.

pelezico:


10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Anu Yakubu:


''For we are a product of his work and were created in union with Christ Jesus for [b]good works, which God prepared in advance for us to walk in them.''[/b][i][/i]

pelezico:

Very simple - its all Gods effort and Gods alone. Its is the faith that you had when you repented. Your efforts aside from true faith which appropriates Gods is totally useless.

Remember when using scripture you interpret based upon WHOLE revelation. When you isolate verses you will invariably end up in all kinds of trouble. Its not that difficult if you are saved since as 1 John puts it you are given an unction or anointing of the Spirit to know truth.

pelezico:

@Anu Yakubu
The condition for SALVATION is FAITH and FAITH alone Ephesians 2:8 New Living Translation "God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. 10For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago."

Since Jesus said that the word of God cannot be broken James therefore is not saving that your works will save you but it is the EVIDENCE of SAVING FAITH. No works no faith. However SAVING FAITH or JUSTIFICATION by which God treats a repentant sinner as he would his SON yet treated his SON by pouring his WRATH on him as is meet for a sinner (substitutionary grace) saves us.

James talks of SANCTIFICATION - works after salvation as opposed to works that justify which is contrary to Biblical teaching. This is what separates Christianity and idolatry. We are saved by Gods merits and not ours.

Remember when trying to understand the Bible your context is the Bible and not just verses taken out of context. The Word of God is explored as a whole and not random verses here and there

Ask God to help you understand it because many trip over this because of our twisted SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS. That includes me by the way


I pray this helps

4reigningqueen:

do you vote? If no what happens to those who do?

pelezico:


As i said before JW is a work based religion (must do this must do that must do this must do that and if im not doing i cant be a real JW).

Why not surrender those tiresome works (Matthew 11:28) and receive Christ by faith for by faith you are saved and not of WORKS lest any man BOAST.

1stCitizen:

@Anu Yakubu and Ibukun Obi

Thanks for the response above. Just what I expected.

In recent times transfusions are not just of whole blood but of one of its primary components: (1) red cells; (2) white cells; (3) platelets; (4) plasma (serum), the fluid part. Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that accepting whole blood or any of those four MAJOR  components violates God's law."—The Watchtower, June 15, 2000, p. 29

So NOW you are inferring that the prohibition from accepting its constituents above which are based on MAN's research ARE NOT FROM GOD so why did your leaders ban such medical intervention?

Bible nowhere makes mention of blood constituents such as platelets and white cells . So what is the basis for Watchtower’s position in respect to these products from blood?

To further buttress my point, I have gone into your literature and discovered many inconsistencies in the position of watchtower with regards to these prohibitions. see below

Blood Serum
1954 - Unacceptable Awake! 1954 January 8 p.24
1958 - Acceptable Watchtower 1958 September 15 p.575
1963 - Unacceptable Watchtower 1963 February 15 p.124
1965 - Acceptable Watchtower 1964 November 15 pp.680-3
1974 - Conscience matter Watchtower 1974 June 1 p.352

Hemodilution
1972 - Unacceptable Awake! 1972 April 8 p.30
1982 - Objectionable Awake! 1982 June 22 p.25
1983 - Acceptable Awake! 1983 March 22 p.16

Vaccinations
Prior to 1921 - Acceptable
1921- Unacceptable Golden Age 1921 October 12 p.17
1952 - Acceptable Watchtower 1952 December 15 p.764

Organ transplants
Prior to 1967 - Acceptable Awake! 1949 December 22
1967 - Unacceptable Watchtower 1967 November 15 pp.702-704
1980 - Acceptable Watchtower 1980 March 15 p.31)

Blood transfusions
Prior to 1945 - Acceptable Golden Age 1925 July 29 p.683, Golden Age 1929 May 1 p.502, Consolation 1940 December 25 p.19
1945 - Unacceptable in every form, including hemoglobin, own stored blood and every form of fractionation Watchtower 1961 September 15 p.559 stated that "Whether whole or fractional, one's own or someone else's, transfused or injected, it is wrong."
1982 - Minor components acceptable Awake! 1982 June 22 p.25
1989 - Autologous, Acute Normovolemic Hemodilution (ANH - use of ones own blood). Storage of own blood unacceptable, acceptable if circulation not interupted - Watchtower89 March 1 p.30
2000 - Major change to blood policy, with all of blood acceptable when converted to[b] minor fractions[/b] - Watchtower 2000 June 15 pp.29-31
2004 - Hemoglobin specifically listed as acceptable - Watchtower 2004 June 15

How can you decide what is a major or minor constituent of blood when there is no Scriptural guideline on blood to indicate it is made up of components. The Watchtower division between major and minor fractions is arbitrary, unfortunate and dangerous.

Now let me ask you, do the consciences of your leadership not prick them due to the lives that were lost within the period of each change in policy stated above?

Ibukun Obi and others, from the above we now know more truth. Please I beg you all. WAKE UP!

divine2043:

Jehovah's Witness is a cult.

Image123:

J.W? Those guys that don't want to go to heaven? Well, off i go preparing to go to Heaven.

1stCitizen:

I am forced to return to this thread because some JW's like Ibukun Obi need to be told the truth.

Back to the blood transfusion issue.

Jehovah Witnesses believe that accepting whole blood or a transfusion of any of the four primary components of blood (i.e., red cells; white cells; platelets; plasma) constitutes a violation of God's Law on blood. FACT!

Research has confirmed that white blood cells pass from mother to baby in the mother's milk. FACT!

Now although the baby has no say in the matter JW witness mothers knowing and deliberately feed their milk containing blood fractions into her baby and ALL the hypocrites who continue to claim they do not accept blood whatever the circumstances should realise henceforth the depth of closed circuit ignorance they live in.

Please Lastpage, I would love to see your take on this. Ibukun Obi, please leave this for intelligent people.

Beync:

trinity, a doctrine that says there are three in one God is not a bible teaching. God is One and not three persons, Det 6:4 reads ' Listen O Isreal;Jehovah our God is one God. Malachi 2;10 reads Is it not one father that all of us have? It is not One God that has created us? why is it that that we deal treacherously with one another profaning the covenant of our fore fathers? read Rom3;29/30.Revelation 3;14.Colocians1;15 reads ' He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. meaning God is invisible and he said anyone that sees him must die. Jesus was visible, was transformed into Mary's womb, born, lived a human life with flesh and blood, ate food and drank and even died. In contrast, The Almighty God is a spirit and cant be associated with these. read Isaiah 44;6. Philippians 2;10,11 says 'And every tongue should openly confess that Jesus is lord to the Glory of the Father. meaning very thin Jesus does including us humans to the Glory of the Most High God. In John 8;42, Jesus said 'If God were your father you would love me for from God i come forth and am here NEITHER HAVE I COME OF MY OWN INNITIATIVE AT ALL BUT THE ONE THAT SENTH ME FORTH. Now answer me, Could Jesus Chris be the same Almighty God and still be referring to someone superior to him who has sent him forth? Could he be The Most high and still be saying he dint come of his own initiative but his father? Jesus Himself even thou he was exulted to a high place did not make him self equal to God but humbly submitted himself as ransom scarifies for all.