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| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by LagosShia: 9:03pm On Jul 20, 2011 |
as for the proponents of the prophecy regarding 1914,this is based on a reinterpretation of a false prophecy which has not come to pass for more than 2000 years.jehovah's witnesses know the truth that "the generation that will not pass away" has already passed away if that prophecy is to be understood from the time Jesus lived.so they saw the need to give it another interpretation and they brought in 1914.yet still,it needs no magic to know that the prophecy regarding the "generation that will not pass away" has failed 2000 years ago. you can check this thread started sometime back,titled "FALSE PROPHECIES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT (BIBLE" ): https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-550247.0.html Furthermore,the watchtower has indeed made many more prophecies and given out dates for them that never come to pass.no one should deny that except if you are blind enough to accept the lie to be a "postponed truth"! yet still,even if we are to accept that 1914 and the generation of that year will never pass out before the kingdom of God is established,we still have some few more years to live and witness that to become another failed prophecy.it too will not come to pass.everyone born on or before 1914 (who witnessed that year) will die before God's kingdom is established because all false prophets that have predicted dates have all failed in their predictions and God will prove the liars wrong.i myself as a muslim,do not predict when God's kingdom shall be established or the return of Jesus and the 12th Imam, Imam Mehdi (as).but i know for sure no one knows the time except God Himself.and as it is the divine law,liars and false prophets are always proved wrong.1914 and its generation was just a postponment in interpretation to make up for the many false prophecies issued by the watch tower that never come to pass. i would kindly ask jehovah's witnesses to demand from the watch tower to tell us how to properly pronounce their name of God,rather than issuing too many counterfeit prophecies.thanks! |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by LagosShia: 1:29pm On Jul 24, 2011 |
"BINITY":HOW MANY “gods”JEHOVAH’S WTINESSES BELIEVE IN AND THE WATCH-TOWER'S OPPOSITION TO JEHOVAH'S COMMAND: "THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME" When asked especially by Muslims on the subject of the trinity, Jehovah’s witnesses who come door to door preaching knocking on the houses of Muslims, are quick to boast and point out that they do not believe in the trinity. This no doubt does sound appealing to Muslims since Muslims strictly adhere to monotheism and see trinity as polytheism and a pagan concept. Like the Muslims, Jehovah’s witnesses too do not believe in the trinity but for different reason. They believe the trinity does not appear in the bible (just like Christmas and Easter) and therefore it is not biblical and of pagan origin and a later innovation introduced into Christian beliefs and even into the bible. It would come as no surprise that the ordinary Jehovah’s witness who knocks on your door does not know that his watchtower organization, full of deception, has actually done the similar practice and act of bible manipulation and introduction of alien doctrines to pass as biblical as they accuse other Christians of doing. For those Jehovah’s witnesses who are aware of the fact that the watchtower through its own version of the bible known as the New World Translation recognizes two distinct “gods” (an act of polytheism),they are so brainwashed and blind to reason the obvious polytheism but rather jump in to give ridiculous defense of their belief in two “gods”. to them, they no doubt are taught that there is a difference between a “god” with a “small g” and a “God” with a “big G”. unfortunately they are not taught that in the Hebrew language there is no “small letter” and no “capital letter”, so a “god” you write in English with a small “g” or a big “G” makes no difference in Hebrew (the assumed language of the bible) or any Semitic language like Arabic and Aramaic (the language Jesus spoke) and that “god” whether written with a small or big letter is a “god” anyway. And recognizing two gods whether with small or big “g” is polytheism. In the New World Translation of the Jehovah’s witnesses we read in two places where they recognize Jesus as a “god”. To them Jesus is a “god” not in a trinity but as a distinct being different from Jehovah, the “God” with capital “G”.In other words to a Muslim, their act of deception claiming monotheism (Tawhid) and opposing the trinity is ridiculous and makes no sense at all. John 1:1 (New World Translation) In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. (Compare with other versions of the bible) John 1:1 (King James Version) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[i] John 1:18[b] (New World Translation)[/b] [i]No man has seen God at any time;[b] the only-begotten god [/b]who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him. (Compare with other versions of the bible) John 1:18 (King James Version) No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. In John 1:18,the New World Translation recognizes Jesus not as the “only begotten son” as other versions of the bible of other denominations do, but they have “elevated” him to a “begotten god”. One must therefore wonder who was the goddess that made Jesus a “begotten god” through birth? This question is so important because Jehovah’s witnesses would no doubt pick on Catholics for their veneration of the holy Mary (peace and blessings of Allah be upon her) and making statues of her that Catholic believers bend down to honor (idol worship). And when God says: O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he says: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I had ever said it, then Thou would have known it. Thou knows what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden? I spoke unto them only that which Thou commanded me, (saying): “Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord”. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou took me Thou was the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things.(Holy Quran 5:116-117) Mark 12:29 (King James Version) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Another point we must not forget is to point out that both words:”begotten” and “begotten god” are interpolations in the bible to the admission of the authors of the Revised Standard Version of the King James Version. In the original manuscripts of the New Testament, the word “begotten” (which means “not made/created” and gives a literal meaning of a “son”) is not found. The word “begotten” is found in all bibles (apart from the RSV) to make the claim for Jesus’ divinity (or “divine sonship”) and claim that Jesus’ “sonship” or him being the “son of God” is not figurative (as other figurative sons of God found in the bible) but literal which makes him unique and of course of “divine essence”. As Muslims it is of interest to us to point out that the Revised Standard Version (RSV) of the king James version expunged and dropped the word “begotten” because after editing the bible to make it more “precise”, they gave in to the truth that the word is an interpolation and is not found once in the original manuscripts of the New Testament. We read thus in the Revised Standard Version, John 1:18 and also John 3:16 where the word of “begotten” is added in the different bible versions to support Jesus’ “divine sonship”: John 1:18 (Revised Standard Version) No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known. John 3:16 (Revised Standard Version) For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. We can see clearly that the word “begotten” was removed in the RSV but the Jehovah’s witnesses have not only maintained the interpolation of “begotten” but have gone a confused step ahead and have added one more (i.e. “god” to make it “only begotten god” instead of “only begotten son” other Christians are taught to believe).Other versions of the bible like the one below only recognizes Jesus as a “begotten son” and not “begotten god”. John 1:18 (King James Version) No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. We must also point that even in the Revised Standard Version where neither the word “begotten” or the words “begotten god” appear, the word “only” is a contradiction in the bible. that is simply because Jesus cannot be the only “son of God” (which is figurative) if “begotten” (which denotes a literal sense) is removed. we find in many places in the bible where other chosen men of God like Jacob and David are also referred to as “son of God” figuratively. Examples of God’s sons (figuratively) by the tons!: Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:38 And thou shall say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel (Jacob) is my son, even my firstborn. [/i]Exodus 4:22 [i]I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (David), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.(Psalms 2:4) The reason for being called “son of God” is figurative according to the bible and anyone who is righteous can be called “son of God” : For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.(Roman 8:14) The term “son of God” did not come with Jesus. Only the Christians understand it it literal and made a literal “son” of God. The Holy Quran rejects the allegation that God has a “son” (literally): They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin. That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son. (Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And every one of them will come to him singly on the Day of Judgment.(19:88-94) THE REASONSING OF A JEHOVAH’S WITNESS FOR HAVING TWO “GODS”. When confronted with the two verses (John 1:1 and John 1:18) in their New World Translation as polytheism the Jehovah’s witness puts up two reasons to defend his church or organization (as they refer to the Watch Tower Organization, the world governing body of Jehovah’s witnesses). 1.) “God” is a title and not a name: If “God” is a title, then we also read in the bible that, that of “god” title belongs to none other than Jehovah alone. That title cannot be given to any one that is not Jehovah. We read in Isaiah 43:10 (New World Translation): “YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. If you confront them with the above, they may as well in addition to other reasons tell you that in the above the word “God” is capitalized. as earlier stated, there is no capitalization or “small letters” in Hebrew. So a “GOD”/”god” is a “GOD” all the same! Hosea 13:4 (New World Translation) “But I am Jehovah your God from the land of Egypt, and there was no God except me that you used to know; and there was no savior but I. Please compare Hosea 13:4 in other versions of the bible. [/b]Hosea 13:4 in the New World Translation tactically implies before Jesus was recognized as a “god” there was no “god” other than Jehovah! Hosea 13:4 (King James Version) Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, [b]and thou shall know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. 2.) the word “god” has many definitions. So attributing “god” to Jesus does not make him an “almighty God”/”the supreme deity” as only Jehovah is, but only makes him a “supernatural being”. We must ask what is really “supernatural” about Jesus? If Jehovah’s witnesses can use verses in the bible to argue against trinity, I would advise them to use those same verses to counter their argument that Jesus was “supernatural” or “god”. Furthermore we read more verses which clearly shows that without God Jesus is a helpless creature like all of us: John 5:30 (New World Translation) I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 8:28 (New World Translation) Therefore Jesus said: “When once YOU have lifted up the Son of man, then YOU will know that I am [he], and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me I speak these things. If Jesus can do nothing by himself and is therefore helpless without Jehovah/God, then why made him another “god”? 3.) Others were called “god” in the bible. Psalms 82:6 (New World Translation) “I myself have said, ‘YOU are gods,And all of YOU are sons of the Most High. Exodus 7:1 (New World Translation) Consequently Jehovah said to Moses: “See, I have made you God to Phar´aoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet. John 10:34-36 (New World Translation) Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “YOU are gods”’? If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son? in the above verses, all the terms used are figurative. In John 1:1 (Jesus referred to as a “god”) and John 1:18 (Jesus referred to as “only begotten god”) carry a literal sense of divinity which Jehovah’s witnesses believe in. Their rejection of the trinity, a doctrine which in other denominations affirms Jesus’ divine-sonship means that making him “a god” or making him an “only begotten god” (a phrase not found in other versions of the bible) clearly ensures the idea that they too believe in Jesus’ divine nature (man and god at the same time).making Jesus a “god” in the New World Translation is a compensation for their rejection of the trinity! in other words, they do literally believe in Jesus’ divinity and use the scriptures as basis for supporting that even though they reject the trinity because they believe it does not appear in the bible and is therefore not biblical. So Jehovah’s witnesses are not the monotheists they would try to deceive the Muslim to believe they are. He is Allah besides whom there is no other God (Holy Quran 59:22) There is no God but He (Holy Quran 44:8 ) Say: He is Allah, He is One and Unique; the Self-Sufficient; the Eternal God; He begets not, nor was He begotten; there is none equal unto Him (Holy Quran 112) More Deception to suit a belief system: “One Jehovah” or “One God”? Deuteronomy 6:10 (New World Translation) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. (Compare with other versions of the bible) Deuteronomy 6:4 (King James Version ) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Mark 12:29 (New World Translation) Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, (Compare with other versions of the bible) Mark 12:29 (King James Version) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: ”Jehovah’s witnesses: belief in One Jehovah but two gods (binity)” Believing in one Jehovah while believing there are two gods is as good as also believing in One Jesus and two “gods” or two “messiahs” or believing in one Goodluck Jonathan but two presidents of Nigeria! Of what use and faith is that ? Jehovah is a “name” (as Jehovah’s witnesses suppose, it is God’s “unique name”) or let’s say “person”. and there is only one type of every living being, even humans and animals. Can you believe in two Nelson Mandelas? Two people may share that name but yet still they can never be the same. There is the possibility of someone claiming to be Jehovah or even Allah and using that name for himself. But that does not stop the fact that there is only One God whose name is Allah. But if you believe in two gods or someone claims the title of being “god” then that negates the Oneness of Allah. Sharing the name of someone does not share His being but sharing his title negates His position of who He rightly is. As another example, even Jews that don’t believe in Jesus as their messiah do acknowledge that Jesus was one man. So if they believe someone else to be messiah then to them Jesus is nobody or just like any other. you do not have to believe Jehovah is God to believe He is One. Jehovah can be anybody. You worship and honor Him because He is your God and not because of what His name is or how is sounds. So even if you believe in only one being called Jehovah, believing in two gods goes against the will and command of Jehovah that only Him is God and none besides Him. The Jehovah’s witnesses may also use the argument that they love and maintain usage of God’s “unique name” so that may be reason for using ‘Jehovah’ instead of ‘God’. in that line I should tell them that even so, the verse could have being rendered as ‘Our God, Jehovah, is One God’ or ‘Jehovah our God is One God’. of course if Jesus says ‘Jehovah our God is One God’, that would definitely negates any other ‘god’, so they see the need for editing and changing words. Furthermore, we should use the same words Jehovah’s witnesses use and help them explain that ‘God is a title’ and ‘Jehovah is (as supposed by them) a name’. therefore if you tell me ‘there is only one Jehovah’, I would be forced to ask who is Jehovah?!and why there is only one? The answer would be because He is God. in other words there is only One God. If you tell me there is only “one Goodluck Jonathan in Nigeria”,it really does not say who Goodluck Jonathan is and of what importance having “one goodluck jonathan” is. but if you tell me we have only “one president in Nigeria” and he is Goodluck Jonathan, I can then understand that there is only one Goodluck Jonathan ibecause he is the only one president in Nigeria. if we have two people called Jehovah and both are ordinary men roaming the streets, it makes no difference to any one even if we have ten sharing the same name. Jehovah is One because He is believed to be the only God and therefore His name shared by no one else. God is not One because His name is Jehovah. Jehovah is One because He is God. Likewise if we say Goodluck Jonathan is one, he is not one because he is called by that name but he is one because he the president and that title belongs only to him. Anyone who shares his title, is violating his right. We can have ten who call themselves “Jehovah” but only One God! We cannot have “one Jehovah” and “two gods”. otherwise how do you know it is the one named Jehovah and not “Jonathan” who is the One True God? it is a matter of “who I am”. in the same light you do not find people named “Allah” or “Chinekeh” or “Olorun” because those names refer to God who is believed to be One and shares with no One His names and attributes. So using the phrase “Jehovah our God is One Jehovah” instead of “ Our God, Jehovah, is One God” is meant to be misleading and to make it look okay if Jesus is called or believed to be a “god” also as long as he is not called by the name Jehovah as the Watchtower supposes. We must say that Jehovah is just a name and His importance stems from being God and knowing who He is. If Jehovah was the name of a beggar and you call Jesus a beggar, people would feel insulted because he isn’t a beggar. Likewise if Jehovah is God and you call Jesus “god” while Jehovah says there is only “one god and none other than Him”, then that is called polytheism. Jehovah does not share His names because He is One God, likewise He does not share His position or sovereignty with anyone.so if He is not God,I don’t care what name you call who or how many people have that name! |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by ibukunobi: 6:48pm On Jul 25, 2011 |
Young man your arguements are complicated and they have no directions. Inside you you know you are a pure APOSTE. By your comments we shall know them. But while my Bible says we should not reply a foolish person, it also points to instances and why we should reply them. Jehovahs witnesses reads from their Bible that there is only GOD which you know, Jesus is beign described as a Mighty GOD and not Almighty GOD, you can ascribe an excellent person as a God.That does not mean he is the Almighty one. Can jesus who is in the right hand of God be the same God? When Jesus was baptized, God, Jesus, and the holy spirit were also mentioned in the same context. Jesus "saw descending like a dove God's spirit coming upon him." (Matthew 3:16) This, however, does not say that the three are one. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned together numerous times, but that does not make them one. Peter, James, and John are named together, but that does not make them one either. Furthermore, God's spirit descended upon Jesus at his baptism, showing that Jesus was not anointed by spirit until that time. This being so, how could he be part of a Trinity where he had always been one with the holy spirit? Another reference that speaks of the three together is found in some older Bible translations at 1 John 5:7. Scholars acknowledge, however, that these words were not originally in the Bible but were added much later. Most modern translations rightly omit this spurious verse. Other "proof texts" deal only with the relationship between two—the Father and Jesus. Let us consider some of them. TIME and again, Jesus showed that he was a creature separate from God and that he, Jesus, had a God above him, a God whom he worshiped, a God whom he called "Father." In prayer to God, that is, the Father, Jesus said, "You, the only true God." (John 17:3) At John 20:17 he said to Mary Magdalene: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." (RS, Catholic edition) At 2 Corinthians 1:3 the apostle Paul confirms this relationship: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Since Jesus had a God, his Father, he could not at the same time be that God. When Jesus cried out: "My God, my God, why have you deserted me?" he surely did not believe that he himself was God. You deserve reorientation, your mind is rigid, but note that "uncountable have died" 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Beync(f): 1:24am On Jul 26, 2011 |
MyJoe: Of curse talks about knowledge base on human philosophies, so many would be misled by them. One question, why is it that No matter wat pesecution, hatred oppression and wat so ever that people, groups or authories might hav melted upon JWS, Hav you ever wonder why they hav never give up ? They Have The STROGEST HOLD!! They know who is behind them and what is awaiting them so why would you fear when the future is bright? One secret, amidst this system that love has grown cold, LOve can never be lacking among them and that is the mark true christians, love for one another and more especially among urselves if you were to be my, Do u know that love conqers all things? Imagine how your oppressor would feel whenever he passes around you he founds that that you never cease to be happy no matter how he trie to take away your happiness? Disappointed!. JHWS are happily awaitng for their reliver so no matter what you say or do you can never take away their Hope and dat's their tressure. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by LagosShia: 1:49am On Jul 26, 2011 |
ibukun obi: who gave you the right to have two gods-one with a small "g" and one with a big "G"? have you not read this: Isaiah 43:10 (New World Translation): “YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. if Jesus was distinct (and i also oppose trinity) then why have you made him a god?didnt he say by himself he can do nothing? |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by ibukunobi: 12:32pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
It appears you want me to help you think, when you have a hierachy in your office, you have a GM, a DGM, a Manager, and a Head of a Unit, Head of your unit can not carry out a project without the approval from the Manager or the GM, but the same Head can be seen to rest of the staff as if he is the manager because he is the one that can be seen easily and at all time, it will be difficult for you to go straight to the GM without a permission from the Head or Manager, in that case, you may see the head as a small god. My brother use your instint please |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by JohnOneOne: 7:45pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
New World Translation - John 1:1c - "and the Word was a god." Regarding Jehovah's Witnesses' "New World Translation" Bible and its rendering of John 1:1, it may interest you to know that, in support and explanation of their wording of this verse (especially within the third clause with "a god"  , there is soon to be published a 19+ year study (as of 7/2011), a thoroughly researched reference work - an historical analysis & exhaustive annotated bibliography - it will be entitled, "What About John 1:1?"To learn more of its design and expected release date, you are invited to visit: http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com When finally published, apart from discussing many of the other topics and scriptures often related to the man-made Trinity doctrine, you will also discover that we have collected information on about 430+ scholarly reference works (mostly Trinitarian) which, throughout the centuries, had opted to say something other than, "and the Word was God," and that, included among them are over 120 which had chosen to use "a god" within the third clause of their renderings. As you might expect, we are very excited at the opportunity to share our findings with others. Agape, JohnOneOne. john1one@earthlink.net |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by CrazyChica: 8:07pm On Jul 26, 2011 |
hmm, dont know if it is the ONLY TRUE religion, but I do have a huge problem with them condemning blood transfussion! |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by AnuYakubu(m): 10:58pm On Jul 28, 2011 |
Hello All- I have taken time to read some of the posts under this topic. So many information have been shared. It really interests me to read posts under this topic, because I was raised up as a JW. Also, I am not a fanatic, and love to share what I have read in the bible with others. Topics like this help me to understand more about the faith I grew up with, and makes me to reach sound conclusions as to what I have learnt since birth. I am not a fanatic and respects instruction in Phil 2:14(pls read). I have not had opportunity to study God's word under any other religious group, but would definitely follow and listen to any religious group that upholds and teaches Bible truth and not human or personal opinion, hearsay, or facts that cannot be reconciled in the scriptures, whether JW or not. From my understanding, there is no limit to the lenght of discussion that could be made on JW. The reason being that, there are so many misconceptions about JW. It is easy for someone to say JWs dont eat rice, tells it to the next person, and easily believed, without finding out whether it is true or not. Also, there are some practices that JW exclude themselves from that set them aside from others, and make them unique and different. The reasons can be easily understood if you make enquiries, agreeing with them or not is a personal choice. As for whether JW is the only true religion or not. It is not for anyone to determine. The bible can help us to understand the position of our worship to God. As a matter of fact, we should be more interested in learning Bible truths, because the ''hour is coming, and it is now, when the worshippers will worship the Father, (John 4:23,24 - pls read). Remember, you will know the truth and the truth shall, (John 8:32.- pls read). There are many doctrines and practices existing today, but we can find useful passages and principles that can help us take wise decisions that please God, about them in the Bible. If you need to know anything about JWs, i could be of assistance. Simply mail your enquiries to anuolu.yakubu@pzcussons.com and copy ykb2k2@yahoo.com. If there is any knowledge that is of spiritual upbuilding and correcting, please endeavour to share with me. Thanks. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by michylabo(m): 12:14pm On Jul 29, 2011 |
Lagos shia and many alike dat do agree with trinity: do u know wat it means to be called God? Rev 11 says" u r worthy to be praised cos u created all things and because of ur will they existed and were created". God is given the title God cos He created everytin. Only one person bears this title(JEHOVAH, YHWH, YAWEH). Jesus His son was created. He his ref to as the firstborn of all creation. As the only-begotton son of God. SO the issue of TRINITY holds no ground as God cannot be three in one. ONLY ONE PERSON HAS NO BEGINNING AND NO END. Thats y he his called Almighty. For many its had to beleive, cos they just cant open there minds. For example, 1) imagine how many felt wen they first learnt that man cld fly, The great witch hunt began then began, 2) In 2006, when the Eko Atlantic project was commissioned many thot it was impossible to sand fill the open ocean. e.t.c. But the facts are clear and there for everyone to c. If Christ denied and refused to accept honors and credit for the works he performed; if he assigned glory to his heavenly father, y force and insist that he must be same as God. Must u force him to be what he knows is not true, Same question I ask abt Xmas. Jesus lived 33 and a half yrs on earth. He never for once celebrated his bday, yet some insist at all cost to celebrate for him. He pointed out the celebration that he want, but still many pay little attention to that vital celebration and focus evrytin on xmas. U CAN EITHER BELEIVE GODS WORD THE BIBLE OR REMAIN WHERE U R,(CRITICISING PPLE WHO DO THERE BEST TO SEEK THE TRUTH AND LIVE BY BIBLE STATNDARDS) 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by mattaz(m): 2:58pm On Jul 29, 2011 |
Ogo u again  ?, wat av d witnesses done 2 u?, al I see in this thread are persons who r just all out 2 taint d name of the witnesses, Plz leave us alone. If we claim to be the only true religion,hw on earth is it ur issues?, We do our best to follow wat the bible teaches so if it doesnt suits u,leave us!!!, D truth is no mata hw bad u guys speak of us,hundreds of honest hearted ones r flockin happily in2 d organisation everyday around the globe and ur negative comments about us will only help spur us on, We r recognized internationally as peace loving pple(una dey here 4 NL dey wen nobody evn knw una, rubbish), Aftarall we r nt beggin 4 converts. D msg we carry bears 2 purposes, 1. Comfort honest hearted ones who r tired of dis system of tins& 2. Serve as witness to wicked persns dat imminient destructn is at hand, Plz u guys shuld get a life!!!1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by mattaz(m): 3:13pm On Jul 29, 2011 |
So What77 my sister pls leave diz pple alone, even if u talk from nw til 2mr,we will alwz b criticized destructively, save ur strenght 4 righthrtd ones!!! 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by luvjehovah: 4:00pm On Sep 15, 2011 |
@vchlady I LOVE U FOR EVERYTHING U SAID. U TOOK THE WORDS OUT MY MOUTH. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by HISchild: 2:06am On Sep 16, 2011 |
I pass no personal judgment, for GOD HIMSELF is Judge. They are, however, not "the only true religion" - in fact, they deny the Deity of The Lord JESUS CHRIST. Our finite minds cannot fully comprehend GOD, but to deny that The Lord JESUS CHRIST is GOD, The SON of GOD, is not sticking to the Bible. That is an issue, because we must believe in The Saviour, GOD, by HIS grace alone (not works). The LORD = YAHWEH (blessed be HIS holy and reverend name) - "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." - Isaiah 43:11 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21 (see also Luke 2:11) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." -John 1:14 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:" -Colossians 2:8-10 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." -1 John 5:7 |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by LagosShia: 5:56pm On Sep 16, 2011 |
michylabo: LagosShia is Muslim and Muslims,shia or sunni,do not believe in trinity. it shows many people dont read before posting. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by true2god: 5:22am On Sep 17, 2011 |
I need a sincere and baptized JW to ansa this: The following questions were asked b4 u got baptized: (1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? (2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses (not as a xtain as they were first and presently called) in a ssociation with God's spirit-directed organization (not HOLY SPIRIT but watchtower organization)? My JW friends can u see how watchtower (your deceitful organization) has technically removed the Holy Spirit from the baptism/salvation arrangent and replaced it with God's spirit directed organization-A.K.A watchtower (instead of the Holy Spirit)? And Jesus commanded them saying, ''Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit''. I knew many lost JW will still go ahead and belive some of this false teaching coming from the Watchtower elders who are bent on twisting the Bible to deceive the gullible public. Please flee JEHOVAH WITNESS for ur sake. They r wolves who came in sheep clothing at ur door step (ignorant JW who neva really understang what going behind watchttower curtain) |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Beync(f): 7:22pm On Sep 17, 2011 |
Who cares, bloody hypocrite |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by CLASSMAN: 5:56pm On Oct 15, 2011 |
THOSE GUY THEY ARE BAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD SET OF PEOPLE WHEN U SEE THEM JUST RUN AWAY AM COMING TO GIVE U A DETAILED ACCOUNT OF MY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE OF THEM AFTER OFFICE HOUR REAL LIFE STORY WHICH I BELIEVE U GUY WILL ONLY BELIEVE ON HAPPEN IN NOLYWOOD BRB |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by charles333: 1:06am On Oct 24, 2011 |
The only problem I really have with JW is telling me that they are the only true religion. I asked them,"If a person who had no pryor knowledge of religion picked up a King James Bible and lived there life by it, although there belief in it may differ from JW, and devoted there life to Jesus Christ, would his soul be saved? Of course they said yes he would. If that is true then how can there religion be the only true way to be saved? Wouldn't that person first have to come in contact with a JW so they would be able to come to the correct understanding of the Bible? I don't have a problem with them not celebrating holidays of any kind and I don't have a problem with them using the name Jehovah. I was wondering if your soul is in your body until Christ returns, then why did Jesus say to the criminal next to him,"Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise".(Luke23:43). I by no means am a religious scholar nor the best example of the perfect Christian. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by maxproxl: 8:45am On Oct 24, 2011 |
[b]The answer to the question is, "No. It is not a true religion" Like all non-Christian organisations, the Jehovah's Witness organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. This alone makes it non-Christian. To support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness theology), has even altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings. Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors: • Taking verses out of their immediate context. • Refusing to read verses in the entire biblical context. • Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text. • Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs. • Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others. • Changing the meanings of words. • Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines. • Adding to the Word of God. Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking? The Witnesses are told they will be persecuted when they go door to door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim). They are strongly encouraged to have friends and acquaintances that are only JW's, thereby keeping outside examination to a minimum. They are told to shun those who leave their group, for in this way there is no way to see why someone has left and no way to find out that they are in error from those who have found the truth in Christ. They are conditioned to shy away from any real biblically knowledgeable person. An example of this is frequently found on the Internet. I was once banned from a Jehovah's Witness chat room after I not only answered their objections to the Trinity and deity of Christ, but challenged them in return. Subsequently, my name was passed around to all other Jehovah's Witness rooms where I was banned from them as well. This is a frequent occurrence on the Internet where the Jehovah's Witnesses are alive and well. It is obvious that critical examination of their doctrines is not encouraged by the Watchtower Organization. The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith. The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc.) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers. Primarily, the Jehovah's Witness organization is a mind-control organization that uses its people to pass out literature and send in "donations" to the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York. "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. "The Watchtower organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a non-Christian organization that uses its people to promulgate false doctrines, and collects "contributions" for distribution of a multitudinous amount of literature, and expand its grip into the lives of its members and their families. It is a non-Christian organisation.[/b] |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by LagosShia: 11:50am On Oct 24, 2011 |
ibukun obi: i will use my instincts and believe what you are saying if you deny the below i posted in my earlier post:
simply put,if you deny Jesus' divinity and you accept him as human being that does not share in the divinity of God,then i would listen to you. i will accept a "small god" if you use it figuratively and disassociate everything literal about the meaning.i am saying this based on what Jesus said himself to disprove his divinity or deity: John 5:30 (New World Translation) I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 8:28 (New World Translation) Therefore Jesus said: “When once YOU have lifted up the Son of man, then YOU will know that I am [he], and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me I speak these things. And also based on the words of Jehovah,you cannot have any divine deity besides Him (see below from Isaiah).When you deny that Jesus is no divine deity whether with a small "g" or not and regardless whether or not you think he is "mighty" and not "almighty",then you can have no shame to ask me to use my instincts.i dont know why you are denying or rather trying to conceal what you believe in! Isaiah 43:10 (New World Translation): “YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. note that in hebrew,there is no capitalization (i.e. capital or small letters).so God is written as "god" anyways.therefore in Isaiah 43:10,one would expect the writers of the new world translation version of the bible Jehovah's witnesses are made to use by the watch tower organization to be honest and translate the relevant portion of the above verse (Isaiah 43:10) as [i]"Before me there was no god formed,and after me there continue to be none".[/i]they deliberately capitalized the word "god" to smuggle their doctrine of a "small god",and make the verse sound as if it is talking about a "God" with big letter "G" hinting at the One they regard to be Jehovah who is God is capital "G" (i.e. "the one Jehovah" and not put the idea that Jehovah accepts no god besides him who shares His deity and divinity like they make Jesus a small "god".why would they capitalize that word if in the hebrew language there is no system of capitalization?these are signs of dishonesty when other versions did not even bother to capitalize that word.do you know why other versions dont capitalize it?simply because if there cannot even be a small "god" regardless whether that it is literal or figurative,then you cant also have a big "God" besides Jehovah making it two "Gods".but the watch tower organization is not pleased with that because they got a "small god" to smuggle into the text and justify Jesus' divinity and deify him.so they got to make exception in the verse by capitalizing the word "god" in Isaiah 43:10 to make room for a "small god".by capitalizing the word,they have succeeded in creating the impression and promote the idea that it only not allowed to have two "Gods" with capital "G".but in reality,there is no capitalization in hebrew.so what is importance is not deifying or attributing divinity to more than One God who they refer to as "Jehovah".now the question still poses itself,do JWs believe in the literal divinity and deitiship of Jesus as a lesser of two "gods"-one big and almighty while the other (Jesus) small and mighty?or do they deny that and tell us that the word "god" in respect to Jesus is only figurative?please let our cunny friends who win arguments and make no sense explain further. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Perrito4u: 4:00pm On Mar 31, 2012 |
2 Corinthians 4:4 New International Version (NIV) "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God" Who is this god who blinds the minds of unbelievers? Isn't it Satan? So is Satan called a god in the Bible? |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by knowledge4(m): 10:07am On Apr 17, 2012 |
I am not a Jehovah Witness member.Stating my denomination here is totally unnecessary. Christianity is not really about denominations because there are no denominations in Heaven.Entrance into God's kingdom is not determined by one's christian domination on Earth.We shall be judged by our compliance with the Word of God.The Word of God(The Bible) has its own doctrines and beliefs which make up the true Christian faith. I am a student of Comparative Religion and understand the doctrinal basis of most of the christian sects or denominations and some of the other religions.That is in comparison with the doctrines of the Bible. The Jehovah Witnesses(JW) is a false christian sect.its doctrines are at total variance with the true doctrines of the Bible. The J.W was founded by Charles Tassel Russel(1852-1916) and were known as the Russelites until 1931 when the name Jehovah Witnesses was adopted. They have numerous publication but the major ones are the Watchtower Bible,Watchtower Magazine and Awake.Their assembly is known as kingdom halls.They have one of the largest printing press in the world.They believe that all religions,churches and governments are organizations controlled by Satan.Their doctrines are at total variance with the doctrines of the Bible. Examples are: The JW deny the Deity of Christ saying that the Christ is the archangel Michael,therefore a created being and not God and no virgin birth.The Bible refuttal is clearly stated in Micah 5:2,John 1:1,John 10:30,Phil 2:5-7 The JW deny the personality of the Holy Spirit. they say that the Holy Spirit is not a person but an ''active force'',not God in their JW Bible.The Bible refuttal is Zech 4:6,John16:5-7,Acts 5:3-4,1 Corinth 3:16 The JW deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ saying that he resurrected only in the spirit The Bible refutes this wrong doctrine in Luke 24:36-46,Acts 2:23-32,1 Corinth 15 The JW deny the existence of a Hell and the eternal punishment of the wicked and say that the soul of Man is mortal The Bible refuttal is in Isaiah 66:24,Matthew 25:46,Mark 9:43,Rev 14:9-11,Rev 19:2-3,Rev 20:10-15 The JW deny the Trinity which the Bible affirms in 1 John 5:7. If you read the Bible's 1 John 5:7,the content is different from that of the JW Bible's 1 John 5:7. The JW Bible's 1 John 5:7 is a polluted or distorted version of the Bible's 1 John 5:7 The Bible curses anyone who adds to,or removes from the Bible in order to distort its messages (Revelations 22:18-19) As it is established now that the foundation of the JW is false & their doctrines are false and at variance with the true doctrines of the true Christian faith,then everything about them is totally false.Arguments are unnecessary. On the above,i stand to be corrected by any JW member who can provide solid,incontestable facts to the contrary, not sentiments.A JW member should be able to state what 1 John 5:7 in the JW Bible says exactly and post it here. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Perrito4u: 1:59am On Apr 18, 2012 |
knowledge4: 1 John 5:7 (American Standard Version) And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth (Common English Bible) The three are testifying— (Contemporary English Version) In fact, there are three who tell about it. -Darby Translation (DARBY) For they that bear witness are three: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) So there are three witnesses that tell us about Jesus: Today's New International Version (TNIV) For there are three that testify: New International Version - UK (NIVUK) For there are three that testify: Most modern translations, except the New King James, remove this verse. Some even have a footnote with this verse saying the it is not found in the oldest Greek manuscripts. The reference to the three "witnesses" in heaven does not appear in a single early Greek manuscript. It was added later to the Latin manuscripts. Modern Protestant and Catholic scholars and theologians readily admit that the passage is spurious, and was not a part of the original text. The verse has been rejected as a patent forgery by all competent critics, (though it was in 1897 solemnly pronounced genuine by Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical). So the JWs are not the only ones who don't use this verse. 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by numo86(m): 8:59am On Apr 18, 2012 |
@knowledge4..... Let's delve into Jesus ressurection a lil..... How would u interprete 1peter 3:18 ??D truth is if Jesus resurrected with flesh,is that same flesh he still maintains in heaven ??Is Jesus a spirit or flesh in heaven ??These are d mind bothering questions that has made d witnesses conclude that Jesus was ressurected in d spirit....... Also pauls statement in 1 corinthians 15:35-52 makes d witnesses conclude d kinda body Jesus was ressurected with... Jehovahs witnesses are nt blind argumentators..... If there aren't scriptures to make 1 ask pertinent questions why would we conclude Jesus was made alive in d spirit What kind of bodies will those who will be ressurected to heaven have ?For those faithfull apostles who died as matrys,head beheaded,some torn apart by wild animals in d arena and even some who will recently die brutal death b4 ressurection takes place,what kind of body wuld they come with?? There mutilated flesh or amputated bodies I mean how will Jesus who is of d same essence as his Father be with flesh in heaven..I thought God was a spirit abi?? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nimshi: 10:50pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
ope_emi: I have recieved visits the same way, well that what they do though(not all of them). Oracle: They come to my place sometimes for their home Bible study, i listen to them and sometimes agree with their teachings 1) Awake! is usually only educative, but for the rlatively uninformed. Anyone who's got a functional Internet connection need not be uninformed if they could read and are inquisitive. 2) Be careful not to be seduced by JWs; it may be ok to have discussions with them in your own home; but once you start attending their 'meetings', and they love-bomb you, and then 'encourage' you to get baptised, you will then willingly sign almost all your fundamental rights away (JWs will give you a small piece of paper to sign when you get baptised; this is the most important step for the JW organisation; it is a most damaging step for your liberty). Discussion is good; just be careful. . |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by RWilliams: 8:16am On Oct 15, 2012 |
You anti JW people are just clutching at straws with the number of Gods Concept. When Jehovah said there is no other god, he meant almighty god. The supreme sovereign of the universe. He said you must not serve other gods, this in itself means Jehovah himself knows of other supposed "god's" Money can be your god, or you stomach according to Gods Word. Relative obedience and honour of the authorities is approved by god, but not worship. Jesus was "given" the right to be worshiped in a sense by almighty god, this was long after Jehovah said not ot worship other Gods,meaning pagan false gods instigated by Saten. The fact that knees will bend to Jesus is only by Gods permission. At the end of The 1000 year reign of christ talked about in revelation, he hand the kingdom back to the father, not himself... go figure |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by freshdew: 8:42pm On Dec 08, 2012 |
vchlady: I think Jehovah witnesses are the true religion. Ive been studying with them for a year now and I'm so amazed at what Ive been learning. I grew up in a Church learned nothing! didn't even know much about the Bible until I started studying with Jehovah's Witnesses. My life style wasn't the best but they showed me in the Bible how I could draw close to Jehovah and it just made me get my life on tract me and my boyfriend(which he was at the time) got married thats just how bad we wanted to do right in Jehovah's eyes( don't get me wrong now we love each other!!!!) BUT I feel GOOD knowing that Jehovah loves me and he wants me to get to know him. I read a response that said Jehovah's witnesses Bible wasn't the real Bible they made it to fit there beliefs! Well I got news for you at Psalms 83:18 IF YOUR BIBLE DOESN'T HAVE THE NAME JEHOVAH written there then may be you don't have the right Bible. If yours says LORD, JEHOVAH'S name suppose to be there not titles, don't of you want to get to know someone you want to know their real name? Well Jehovah wants us to know his so anywhere in your Bible where LORD is in capital letters Jehovah's name is suppose to be there and when you see lower case letters Jesus name is suppose to be there. Also I used to believe in the trinity but now I don't there are so many scriptures in the bible that set JEHOVAH and JESUS apart from another!! for instance at matthews 6:9 Jesus is praying to Jehovah if they are ONE why is Jesus praying to himself ? Isaiah 44:6 Jehovah is here speaking himself he says: "Iam the first and the last and besides me there is no God." what does that say to you but to change the subject a Lil about why I think Jehovah Witnesses are the true religion Isaiah 43:10-11( read that) it says "you are my witnesses is the utterance of Jehovah" what other Christian religion do you see go door to door and preached the good news about Jehovah and Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of GOD. Matthew 28:19-20 tells us to go make disciples of all the people, and baptizing them, , Now back to JEHOVAH and JESUS being ONE. John 17:3 reads (This is Jesus talking) "This means everlasting life their taking in knowledge of you the only TRUE God and of the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ". now if Jesus is God he could of sent himself forth right? Jesus makes a very clear distinction between himself and the Father! Oh I can go on and on about this topic some more helpful scriptures can be found at Matthew 24:36 concerning the end of the system of things matthew here is quoting Jesus. Now if Jesus was God he would Know when the end of this system will be done with b/c they will have to be on the same train of thought if they are one. And what tickles me that people don't get is John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God." And since the Word is called God some may think that the Son and the Father must be apart of the same God! Now the Word is Jesus so mention in John 1:1 it says the word was with God, how can an individual be that person and be with them at the same time? John 1:18 says "NO MAN has seen Almighty God at anytime" but yet people have seen Jesus, even walked with Jesus ( read also john 1:14) more scriptures can be found at Psalms 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15I so love you for this.well for doubters visit www.jw.org 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 9:56am On Dec 09, 2012 |
Perrito4u: 1914 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Nobody: 10:00am On Dec 09, 2012 |
i wish they would stop harassing ppl in effort to expand their beliefs. Don't follow me to hand me brochures and don't knock on my door. I don't think God wants his "appointees" to hound and bother people to get the message.  |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 10:43am On Dec 09, 2012 |
Chrisbenogor: were are you sef? You seldom post this days, are you now a JW? |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by truthislight: 10:46am On Dec 09, 2012 |
davidylan: mind showing one? |
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