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Confused Atheist, why do you even think that there is a Creator?

I don't think there is a creator, this question is aimed at theists who believe that there is a creator who created everything in the universe. I want them to answer where did the creator come from ?

Only a fool can ask a rhetoric with no end in sight.

Instead of saying god created the universe we can just way we don't know how this whole thing started

There is no creator for the Creator, thats why He is the Creator, and everything else is creation from Him.

Didn't l say we can't  answer this question by saying he is god therefore he does not need a creator ?

But Allah is not part of His creations, universe is a creation!

What l want to know is who created the gods ? Where did they get the intelligence attributed to them ? Well the most logical answer from an atheist point of view is that in the beginning man created god

Since theists claim that everything on the universe should come from somewhere l would like to know who created the creator ? By the way we can't get rid of this crucial question by definition what l mean is that we can't answer this question by saying he is god therefore he does not need a creator.

If we are to say god is the uncaused cause why not save  step and say the universe is the uncaused cause ? If we are to say god has always existed why not save a step and say the universe always existed ?

Atheists has finally opened up.

Imagine, some women will fall into the trap of these kind of guys thinking they're in a relationship with an atheist/freethinker/agnostic/whatever, not knowing its something deeper- namely satanism.

Lord have mercy. Shocked Undecided

^^^These are the dangers posed by religious fundamentalism to intellectualism. FYI l don't believe in demons,spirits e.t.c l am a naturalist

Defenders of Lucifer. What is the catch?

This is what happens when the only book you read in your life is the bible. You become so narrow minded, myopic and shallow

@Atheists
As you claim not to bleieve in God or the bible, why should it bother you what the bible says or whether lucifer is satan or the devil?

That is very true l don't believe in god or the bible that is why l interpret some of the stories in the bible as allegories especially the creation story in genesis. Overall l think that the bible talks a  lot of nonsense.

Lucifer means the light bearer and in the book of Enoch in the bible Lucifer's fallen angels and Azazel teach early mankind to use tools and fire. Parallels can be drawn between Lucifer and the Greek god Prometheus who was punished by Zeus for giving primitive mortals the gift of divine fire which unleashed a flood of inventiveness, productivity and self awareness. Lucifer the "Light-Bearer," in defiance of Yahweh, brought self-awareness to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8290507.stm

I science l trust ! With science we have conquered polio,influenza,malaria,cholera e.t.c

DNA analysis of how pathogens evolve produces useful information for combating the outbreak and spread of disease. Accelerated evolution in laboratories has improved vaccines and other therapeutic proteins. An understanding of the evolutionary dynamics determines scientists' ability to survey and control the virus.

I am a naturalist and also a humanist . Paranormal is pseudoscience.

I find it funny that some people try to use the bible as a science textbook. I am talking about the same bible which said diseases are caused by demons

You damn satanist and your science get out of here. The devil is a liar stop tempting us with you so called facts

The Greek myth of Prometheus, who stole fire from heaven and who gave to his favorite - his favorite mortal: man. In other words what the Greeks were saying is that we have divine fire, whatever is divine is in us, as humans. We are as good as the gods. The gods are capricious and mean and foolish and stupid and jealous and rapine and all the things that Greek mythology show us that they are, and that's a much better it seems to me - and for that the gods punished Prometheus and chained him to the Caucasus and vultures chewed away at his liver everyday. - Stephen Fry

Einstein did not believe in god. He believed that nature and laws of nature are god . Kepler and Galileo were persecuted by the church for their scientific research. Plus what you are doing is called an appeal to authority, thats a logical fallacy

My own question here to all ya athiests is this, how does the so-called researchers truely know that those fossils found where the skeletons of our ancestors and not the ancestors of monkeys and gorillas. May God help me, researches in futility!

The same way they can figure out how to make planes fly

4.4 million years, hmmm i see, so did ardi's generations give them the date of their ancestor?

nonesense, and by the way how did they get the actual diagram of this mr.ardi if not from their corrupt and reprobate minds, take a look at the legs, causes laughter Grin Grin

before opening this topic, something just told me HUXLEY must comment. Professor Athiest Grin Grin Grin

They came to these conclusions after 17 years of scientific research and peer review.

what EXACTLY is stopping humans from evolving today?

Evolution happens over long periods of time l am talking about something like hundreds of thousands of years so don't expect to see any significant changes in a very period of time

https://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/10/01/gallery/ardi-380x620.jpg

Meet your ancestors

The world's oldest and most complete skeleton of a potential human ancestor -- named "Ardi," short for Ardipithecus ramidus -- has been unveiled by an international team of 47 researchers.

Their unprecedented, 17-year investigation of Ardi is detailed in a special issue of the journal Science.

"Discovering Ardi," a world premiere exclusive, airs Sunday, Oct. 11 at 9 PM (ET/PT), only on the Discovery Channel.

The 4.4 million-year-old hominid opens up a new chapter on human evolution because "it is as close as we have ever come to finding the last common ancestor of chimpanzees and humans," project co-director Tim White told Discovery News.

"This is not an ordinary fossil," added White, a paleontologist in the University of California at Berkeley's Human Evolution Research Center. "It's not a chimp. It's not a human."

Instead, he said, "It shows us what we used to be."

Charlatan alert

If a child chooses to disobey its parent's rules, will it be fair to say its the parent's will? How does God having to know that the first humans would eventually sin, have to do with His character? The fact is His knowing didn't affect their choice.

Logical fallacy you are comparing oranges to apples i.e parents to god. God created a flawed being intentionally and then punished it for being flawed.

You cannot expect God on the one hand to give us freedom of will, and choice, and not integrate the risk factor of the consequences of failure to obey.

Did God give us free will ? When ?

Isa 45:5-7
(5) I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
(6) That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
(7) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

God created evil.And all the evil we see is as a result of that which he created.

I guess u'd say, "aha!", but that's because u still haven't seen the bigger picture.

Definition of evil : morally objectionable behavior

Why would an all loving,powerful and knowing god participate in morally objectionable behavior ? So whats the difference between god and satan if god is the creator of evil ?

I am sorry its far bigger than that. Its not a question of God's ability, or inability, unwillingness, or willingness.

If your only concern is where evil came from, then I am ready to start explaining. Is that your starting question?

We already know where evil comes from, its gods will. If it is not his will then why does he allow it to happen ?

Rom 8:19-21
(19) For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
(20) For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
(21) Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Eph 1:11
(11) In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him(God) who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

The fall of man was all part of God's purpose. Everything that is happening or has been happening and will happen is all according to his purpose.
How you view it is based on how you view the whole picture.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? [size=15pt]Then whence cometh evil?[/size]
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

if you say you have no religion and arent Christian, why is it your concern?

Enlightenment of my fellow human beings

@ Kolaxy


So the christian god is not loving,merciful and fair. Do you agree ?

If god is all knowing then why didn't he foresee the fall of mankind in the garden of eden ? If he foresaw the fall of mankind but did nothing about it then doesn't that mean he is a cruel sadistic god instead of a loving one ?

@Deepsight

Where did the creator coming from ?

@ Poster

I am a humanist

@ SexyLemon

What crime does one commit on this earth which warrants eternal punishment ?