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EroZA:
Oh you change the tune,I thought your country is the one wanting to build a fence to prevent south Africans,go on Nigerians close down all SAn companies we shall see where you guys will stand in 1 month

black247:
These people are black oreos. They havent created independent policies, they just put black face on all oreo policies. Look at their ANC. They want to protect the whites. They arent smarter, they are just lap dogs.

Who would allow this in their country?

South Africa's whites-only town of Orania

6 October 2014




In the sparsely populated Karoo desert in the heart of South Africa's Northern Cape, apartheid lives on.
I spent a few days in Orania, one of just a few black people to have set foot in the whites-only town since its establishment in 1991.
Part of a BBC crew, including Zimbabwean journalist Stanley Kwenda, we were given permission to visit.

And during that time, Stanley and I were the only black people in the town of 1,000 - an unusual experience in latter-day South Africa.
Racial interaction is not welcome in the Afrikaner-only town, where only Afrikaans is spoken, because of fears about "diluting culture".
"We do not fit in easily in the new South Africa. It [Orania] was an answer to not dominating others and not being dominated by others," says Carel Boschoff Jr, the community leader.

Mr Boschoff inherited the town from his father Carel Boschoff Snr, an Afrikaner intellectual and son-in-law of apartheid architect, Hendrik Verwoerd.


The town was founded by Mr Boschoff Snr as a registered company three years before white-minority rule ended in the rest of the country.
Mr Verwoerd's grandson tells me that his people were faced with a tough question about their future when the black government was elected in 1994.

"In terms of Afrikaners who had been standing very close to the state, when the policies such as black economic empowerment and affirmative action came into place, Afrikaners needed to seriously think about their future. It wouldn't make sense not to," he said.
Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) was introduced to encourage more black participation in business.

We were taken on a guided tour of the town's facilities by John Strydom, a retired doctor.

The town's leaders insist that Orania is misunderstood. "We are not against black people. We are for ourselves," is the message they stress.
However, black people cannot live here.

Prospective residents are screened by the town council using a strict criterion, which includes first and foremost being an ethnic Afrikaner.
It is not enough to simply speak Afrikaans, as is the case with many black and mixed-race South Africans.
Eerie place As we sat down with Mr Boschoff for a cup of what the cafe described as "proper Boere [Afrikaner] tea… strong", I took in some of the surroundings.

At the entrance of the gated community was a statue of Mr Verwoed, one of a few of the apartheid-era prime ministers, and the Orania flag - with similar colours to the old republic's orange, white and blue horizontal stripes - which hung proudly.
The town was quiet; the sound of birds and rustling leaves interrupted by a few cars passing by. It is an eerie place for an outsider.


The town boasts amenities such as shops, hair salons, a library, a post office, a hotel, a couple of schools - and churches, a lot of churches.
But beneath the surface of this solitude lurks a fear that leads people to abandon high-paying jobs in the city for lowly jobs in this arid land.
"The levels of crime and violent crimes in South Africa are definitely pushing powers that bring people to Orania. Many of them have been victims of crimes," says Mr Boschoff.

South Africa is considered to be one of the most violent societies in the world, with one of the highest murder rates.
Official statistics suggest that most crimes actually happen in poor communities between people known to each other, but this has not stopped the fear of crime in other communities.

'Little giant' As a result, Orania officials say the town has had an annual growth rate of nearly 10% since its inception.
The Akrikaner community's totem is "the little giant", a man with rolled-up sleeves who features in the flag and the local currency, the Ora which is pegged to the South African rand.



The people do their own work from gardening to plumbing, bricklaying and waste-collection - jobs usually done by black labourers in the rest of the country.



"It takes some adjusting to. It is more difficult for some people because they are used to how things were done in South Africa, they are not used to manual labour," says Mr Strydom.

The locals explain that one of the goals in Orania is to help create a generation of pure Afrikaners untouched by the "outside world".
Bizarrely, the town's existence is protected by South Africa's constitution through a clause that ensures the right to self-determination - introduced to reassure those unhappy about the transition to democracy.

With its old Cape-Dutch styled houses it is like stepping back in time, but some families fear this place could eventually be too small for their children.

'Respect' Theunie Kruger moved from Johannesburg about a month ago after he was offered a job in Orania.

Mr Kruger says his two children are enjoying life in the countryside but he and his wife are preparing them for a world where there is not just one race or culture.
"There is no tertiary institution here for example. They need to be equipped to handle the outside world," says Mr Kruger.


"I teach them that there is no difference in skin colour. I teach them if they respect the people in Orania they must also respect the people outside Orania," his wife Annelize adds.

The couple say they are still adjusting to Orania's "rules", which include getting permission from the town council before receiving visitors.
"We understand it but it's a bit frustrating at times," Mr Kruger says.

'Defend with our lives' At the local bar, framed newspaper articles hang on the wall and Afrikaner memorabilia adorns the place.
The owner, Quinton Diedrichs, is well-travelled but became disillusioned with South Africa and moved to Orania with his wife, a beauty therapist, about four years ago.


"It's very safe here. We sleep with the doors unlocked. You can walk in the street at 3am without any fear. You don't have that where you live," he tells me.

He blames FW de Klerk, the last Afrikaner to rule South Africa, for the plight of his people.
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“We can't get jobs. It's like we are being punished for the past”
Drinker in an Orania bar


"He gave away the country for nothing. We had the army," he says and stops abruptly, beginning to shake his head.
Inside the dimly-lit pub, a game of rugby is on the TV, apart from a few odd glances, no-one seems to pay much attention to Stanley or me.
A few more locals do come over to our table and conversation is polite and largely politically correct, much like in the rest of South Africa.
The pernicious issue of jobs and pro-black policies rears its head.

One local explains it as "reverse racism".

"We can't get jobs. It's like we are being punished for the past," he says.

They seem oblivious to the oppression of black South Africans during apartheid. For them it was a system that gave order.
As the sun sets, the bronze busts of Afrikaner leaders spanning over many decades - Paul Kruger, JBM Herzog, DF Malan, JG Stridom and, of course, Mr Verwoerd - look protectively over the town.

Held in disdain elsewhere, they are Orania's heroes - yet it is difficult to see how the community will be able to remain so completely isolated in such an inter-connected world.

But as one pub drinker put it - being an Afrikaner in Orania is "something we will defend with our lives if we need to".






http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29475977

EroZA:
Kwa kwa kwa kwa...yes I agree with you,in SA we don't have forums wherein we attack and bad mouth other African countries...thats why am here,I find this forum interesting...if you people are allergic to white people,wake up Nigerians...this is 21th century.....you don't need us? Says a person who eat bread from shoprite daily,,drink tap water from UmgeniSA,use mtn network,watch English soccer via dstv,travel from Abuja to Lagos using SAA....may I tell you that your president was hear day before yesterday,begging for the release of your confisticated oil money...yeses you still have a long way to grow mate..

Rawani:
[size=22pt]I only respond to salient points, his excuse is null and void, please reserve your invectives.[/size]

Rawani:
What visa? They went on the errand of the president allegedly with official papers, snuck into S.A and attempted to sneak out with $9m worth of illegal arms, and he's talking of needing a visa, is it to present to the gun dealers after hiding from authorities or is it to use it to roll the igbo they were smoking on the plane? This Islamic terrorist should stop insulting our intelligence, his defence is empty and dead on arrival.

Sincere9gerian:
The NSA was mentioned consistently in the 2 botched deals but surprisingly no one is interested in asking him to account for his actions. The question is WHY

nigerianvenom:
Without much ado

talktimi:
I support the killing of boko boys

BlackTechnology:
They have already done so


Nigeria must avoid them and prove to them that we are Africa's giant

omenka:
When it comes to how low Jonathan's government can sink in the realm of shame, there seems to be no limit at all!!

So because they have investments in Nigeria, Nigeria should be granted the right to violate their laws without question. What a funny country. South African economic indices are light years ahead of Nigeria's and wouldn't feel as much as a pinch should their investments in this banana republic (as transformed into by Jonathan) be hurt.

Matter of fact, Nigeria would be the biggest looser should anything happen to the companies mentioned. Imagine the number of people that would be thrown unto the streets should brands like DSTV and MTN close shops in the country!!

We are grappling with crippling unemployment rates and should be looking at doing whatever we can to keep the people so far employed at their duty posts and not get involved in some empty chest beatings which would certainly do us more harm than good!! They have a law abiding and responsible and respectable govt unlike the bunch of nonentities we have presiding over our affairs. If the say don't break their laws, DON'T. SA is not NIGERIA!

What a useless government. Smh.

maestroferddi:
Forget that thing!

Politics, law and anything other human affair has an intrinsic tinge of sentiment and/or emotion despite the assumption to the contrary.

I am not not siding with any party but people should get a handle on their hypocrisy and chicanery.

I was watching Channel's Sunrise programme today featuring the chairman of the so-called E-11, one Mr Ajiniran (I hope I got the name correct).

The man practically got on air to embarrass himself on national TV. He started by purported to be a disinterested party and was mouthing off how he and his amorphous group held Ekiti interest at heart. However, his humiliation reached an epic proportion when very simple questions were directed at him. The man was mumbling and blabbing away and was must have been sweating in a fully air-conditioned studio. He made no attempt to answer the questions and reconcile the sundry inconsistencies his stories precipitated.

His badly blended cocktail of lies came crashing down when Maupe and co put him on the spot by linking up with the counterparty...

I was like, what a monumental faux pas!

Nigerians are not gullible as some of these people make them to be...

Tundeajani:
shey na wire dey ur brain ni..cant u read and learn?

Tundeajani:
why not challenge my position instead of wasting your energy in cancelling the truth and fact...in advance i sympathize with you pdp and tan e warriors..eku ojulona ajalu nla tonbo lona..apc de takute sile funyin ede ti kosi...eku iroju

Tundeajani:
argumentum ad hominem.all you just do now is to attack apc with malice and baseless position.the law does not operate in that direction.