₦airaland Forum

Zairois: The influence of arabic on swahili isn't as big as the influence arabic has on somali .

you are wrong, just cause somali and arabic are in the same language group doesn't mean its been influenced by it any more than swahili. Matter of fact the entire language of swahili came into existence because of slavery when arabs enslaved those in kenya, and the language that was born was a mix of african and arab.

somali is older than arabic. Its a cushitic language.

EnlightenedSoul: The widely used term is Bantu, not Jareer.

the word bantu is used by westerners to describe them, but in somalia they are referred to as jareer, your from djibouti, how would you know?

Igban: ^ Yes, she is not full ethnic. The forehead is missing.

these are the last four presidents of somalia in order. We are all the same ethnicity as Somalis, but we don't all look alike.

EnlightenedSoul: That isn't me.

sheeko

EnlightenedSoul: Slavery was only evident in a small portion of the deep South of Somalia and by a specific sub-tribe. The rest of Somalia, and other Somali territories like NFD in north Kenya and the Ogaden in Ethiopia, Somaliland and Djibouti did not own slaves. That would account for the vast majority of Somalis at large.

Listening to you, you would think that the culture revolves around this ugly practice. And making false proverbs about Bantus. Smh, Why?

thats because all the bantus are in the south, People in the north are surprised when they see a bantu speaking somali, as there are no bantus in the north, the bantus are agricultural people and live in between kismayo and mogadishu where there is fertile land.

Igban: ^ Yes, she is not full ethnic. The forehead is missing.

she is full somali. having a larger forehead doesn't make you less or more somali, i would post pictures of her with her headscarf where you can see she has a forehead, but enlightened asked nicely not to use her picture again.

EnlightenedSoul: Before I moved to my current state, I lived in a state with a moderate Somali population, and I heard the word "Coolie" in use all the time. You don't have to tell me, about the "You look Indian" thing.

But why the regular comparison to Indians (by you)in the first place? It may be taken by some as claiming Indians which is simply untrue and offensive to the rest of us.

European influence is commonplace all around the world. Just take a look.

lol, at coolie, i hear that from jamaicans all the time, i guess indians in jamaica are called coolie, i thought i was the only one who got that. Europeans didn't influence somalis on their view of race, as it was the italians who actually outlawed slavery in somalia in the early 1920's and freed the bantus.

I only mentioned me looking 'indian', to tell him that somalis come in all colors. and when i say indian, i mean south indians who tend to be darker than the northern ones, hard to compare to ethiopians as ethiopia has many ethnicities and doubt nigerians would know the different ethnicities in Ethiopia.

but i only mentioned it, to dispel the myth that their is one way to look if your somali.

Igban: Funny, I did not say anything about her color but only talked about her head.

Igban: Keywords: full ethnic

From your own comment you said she isn't full ethnic somali. Please don't project your insecurities on to the Somali people.

EnlightenedSoul: The Swahili language was largely influenced by Arabic. Although there are some admixtures, Somali Bantus tend to keep to themselves and Ethnic Somalis to themselves. Even in the West.

Somalis do not generally go around claiming to look Indian. It isn't trend, but it is a reality for many people including some of my own family members.

i DONT think you needed to state this obvious fact. These people have been influenced by Europeans and they project this onto us, despite the fact we have a long history untainted by european ways of thinking.

They are the same people who talk about how they are israelites and how they are the ancient egyptians, but go crazy when the obvious physical similarities between Cushitc people (somalis and ethiopians) is compared to people in India. Despite the fact the fact that Indians and Somalis have traded and have some similarities in food and dress.

And it is black people of all the people who i meet, who don't believe am african and say i look indian: very ironic isn't it.

EnlightenedSoul: The word Bantu was in use long before humanitarian aid workers came. The fact that they used the term to distinguish doesn't mean it never existed among the populace. All they did was put "Somali" in front of the term to identify their nationality as there are different Bantu populations in certain regions of Africa.

I know what both words mean and I explained their use in a previous post.

the word bantu exists only as a language group and never was used in Somalia. I know this because I have researched it. Somalis refer to bantus as Jareer. you know this and i can post many articles if you want me to.

Zairois: The new somali trend is to try and brag about how people think they are Indians. If all "Bantus" were slaves in Somalia then that means the bantu Somalis who are of horned and bantu ancestry are offspring of somali who slept with a slave? Us swahili even influenced parts of somali language.

somali society looks down on bantus, and one cannot be somali unless their parents are somali. As smallness is determined by clan affiliation since we are all one tribe or ethnicity.

Lol about swahili influencing somalis, dude the entire language of swahili is borrowed mostly from arabic, and arabs had those in kenya as slaves.

No one cares about looking indian, and the only reason why I mentioned is because you seem color struck and shocked to see a light skin Somali. As all somalis have the same features but some happen to be lighter and others darker. For people who don't know anything about how somalis look, when they see me they assume am Indian, but anyone who knows somalis would say I am Somali.

The majority of Somalis are brown about 80percent. Some are ligher and others darker. Even within a Family you will see two sister who look the same but one is light and the other is not.

Please don't project your history of slavery to me, as Somalis were never enslaved and influenced by Europeans as our features are ancient.

EnlightenedSoul: ^^^Thanks, finally. Much appreciated!

abaayo waaxaad ii sheegtay iin aatahaaay gabaadaas somalida eh ooh modelka eeh. baraasho wanagsan.

EnlightenedSoul: ^^^ What did you just do but help me make my point.

the word bantu was made up by aid agencies to distinguish them as they were getting persecuted because they are a minority. The somalis refer to bantus as jeerer which means nappy hair, and the more derogatory word adoon, which means slave.

axum: The term "Somali Bantu" is an ethnonym that was invented by humanitarian aid-supplying agencies [/b]shortly after the outbreak of the civil war in Somalia in 1991. Its purpose was to help the staff of these aid agencies better distinguish between, on the one hand, Bantu minority groups hailing from Somalia and thus in need of immediate humanitarian attention, and on the other hand, other Bantu groups from elsewhere in Africa that did not require immediate humanitarian assistance. The neologism further spread through the media, which repeated verbatim what the aid agencies' increasingly began indicating in their reports as the new name for Somalia's ethnically Bantu minorities. Prior to the civil war, the Bantu were simply referred to in the literature as Bantu, Gosha, Mushunguli or Jareer, as they still, in fact, are within Somalia proper.[6]

Adamskuty: f00l,i see them begging on the streets here,they are ur kind for sure

why are u even proud of the fact that ur people (refugees) are scattered all across the globe,running away from the land

how sad

dude somalis who are refugees are in refugee camps. The people your talking about must be fulani as someone else mentioned people who look arab on the streets begging. Somalis who go to countries like nigeria, pakistan, china, dubai, have money, those who are refugees are in kenya, and yemen.


why a somali would go all the way to nigeria to beg on the street when they can go to kenya and get a flight to the west, should make you wonder. especially since there are no flights from somalia to nigeria. are you saying a somali walked all the way into kenya, didn't get stopped by immigration, went to the airport on fake id, and then went to nigeria only to beg on the street.


you should know better.

Igban: Keywords: full ethnic

she is full somali, you have issues. you must be color struck. As ethnic somalis come in all colors. People mistake me for being indian, while my sister looks more somali and my mom looks looks very light.

EnlightenedSoul: I know her whole family. I live in her state. She once dated my own brother. Her sisters are like darker versions of her. Her parents come from Somalia and are full Somalis, but she was born here in the US.

i never said anything bad about her. But you brought more attention to it, as i have posted hundreds of pictures. that being said, i did take her picture down.

Adamskuty: but i see so many of them here and they told me they are somalis,others have been tropping in since 2009,even a somali nairalander is enjoying life in lagos now

loool! I know they ain't up to 20,000 here but they are in their thousands,i see them everytime dude,even nigerian of indian descent are here talkless of somali in africa

i doubt that is the case bro. Somalis know about each other and their are no hawala that send money to nigeria. And those who are there are not more than 100. cause all of australia has only 6,500. and Australia has a big somali population. so nigeria is not gonna have any.

don't feel disappointed.

EnlightenedSoul: But this my business as she is asking me to. She doesn't want to be on here. Respect her wishes!!!

The forehead thing is often exaggerated. Lol @ treating it as a pre-requisite

stop lying, and plz mind your own business. no one is talking about her, and your brining more attention to it. She chose to be a public figure. and her picture is on many other sites.

Adamskuty: shaaaaarap,u are wrong,majority of them are here my frined,20,000 and counting in kano,lagos,abuja,all immigrant!

you seem a lot invested in the idea their are somalis in your country. I can tell you their are no somalis in nigeria. let alone more than 100. Somalis who are in kenya are all in northern kenya, that doest include the 3 million somalis who have been living there for hundreds of years. the majority of refugees seek to go to the west or the middle east if they have family there. i do know there are a few thousand in pakistan, yemen. but other than than that their are no somalis in countries that are not in the middle east or the west.


if you could give me a cited source of somalis in your country i would be interested, as i don't know why there are somalis going to nigeria, when they leave countries like Libya to go to europe. Contrary to what you might believe those who are refugees are in refugee camps in kenya (half a million in the somali state of northern kenya). So any somalis not in Yemen or Kenya as refugees are not really refugees as they moved there by choice.

why would they go to Nigeria? that is very weird.

If Australia has less than 7,000 somalis, i doubt Nigeria has more than 100 bro. The numbers of Somalis in kenya on the list below is only showing refugees for some odd reason, as there are are 3 million Somalis who are citizens of kenya.

Adamskuty: what of those in nigeria my friend?

almost 0. I don't see why somalis would go to nigeria. As most somalis who live in kenya and ethiopia have lived there historically for hundreds of years. Those who leave somalia go to the middle east or the to kenya in hopes of going to the west.

why do you ask if their are somalis in nigeria, thats very odd. I would be surprised if there were more than 10 somalis in all of nigeria. And those might be business people or government employees.

EnlightenedSoul: Congratulations to Miss World Nigeria! But I actually know this girl and she is ethnic Somali. Going off this comment, were you to see me you'd say the same thing and that would simply put, be offensive.

Aj, how many times must we ask you to remove her face from this thread? She does not share your views!!! Gabdaha sawirahooda exploitgaraaynaysid for cunsuriyad racism purposes. If you have a conscience you will remove her face from here!!

Thanks!

she is a public figure on many sites and has chosen to be a public figure, mind your own business.

EnlightenedSoul: But I dont agree with either of you. You are one and the same.

as i expected.

EnlightenedSoul: Bantu= a language group
Jareer: afro-textured hair, a descriptive term that is used among Somalis as well.
Adoon: Literally means "slave". Most every language has a word for it.
Madow: word for the color Black.

These are not evil words by nature they are used in everyday life!

The Somali Bantu in South Somalia refer to themselves as Somali Bantus proudly! It is not a word spoken to downgrade them.

Somali hair textures can ( and often do) range drastically even within one family, same thing with skin tone. Colorism is not a concept that is widely entertained, but for descriptive purposes one may say " so and so has midib Madow or midib cad" or in english "light toned or black toned skin" and this is in reference to other Somalis!

You can use the Word Madow for anything thats Black, a Madow pen would translate to "black pen". Same with describing a Somali with Afro-textured hair "timo (hair) jareer" can absolutely be used in reference to the fellow Somali again!

The Word adoon is not often used in every day use, but it can be used in poetry and song to denote hopeless adoration in love ballads. A religious person may say "adoon ilaahay baan ahay"= I am God's slave. That is how it would be said in Somali by a Somali in reference to HIMSELF.

Do not act like these words are reserved to display racism to certain groups. Each Word serves it's descriptive purpose among Somalis themselves. This is what words are for afterall!

Please stop speaking for a whole culture falsely and going so far as to make FAKE proverbs! Speak for yourself for goodness sake.

The term "[b]Somali Bantu" is an ethnonym that was invented by humanitarian aid-supplying agencies [/b]shortly after the outbreak of the civil war in Somalia in 1991. Its purpose was to help the staff of these aid agencies better distinguish between, on the one hand, Bantu minority groups hailing from Somalia and thus in need of immediate humanitarian attention, and on the other hand, other Bantu groups from elsewhere in Africa that did not require immediate humanitarian assistance. The neologism further spread through the media, which repeated verbatim what the aid agencies' increasingly began indicating in their reports as the new name for Somalia's ethnically Bantu minorities. Prior to the civil war, the Bantu were simply referred to in the literature as Bantu, Gosha, Mushunguli or Jareer, as they still, in fact, are within Somalia proper.[6]

The Somali army sent troops to europe and some died, a soldier is always prepared for death. Why is this making news. The Somali army will send more soldiers.

Garaad: warya at least post gaabad Somali instead of this obvious barwani chick

to the non-Somalis out there......FYI the woman he posted is definitely not an ethnic Somali.....there are a number of non-ethnic Somali communities that have lived in Somalia for hundreds of years and have mixed with us.....they mostly live near the coast in cities like Mogadishu and that are made up of descendants of Arab/Indian/Persian traders......we absorbed some of them into our tribes......hence the reason that there are light skin wavy hair Somalis who are part of the major tribes

they are however not representative of most of our people

here are some pics of members of my tribe.....the Dhulbahante.....we live in northern Somalia away from the coasts.....so there was less mixing with outsiders

https://www.kalshaalenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/SDC10483.jpg

https://afbakayle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/5.jpg


don't let this clown color your opinion of most Somalis.....whether he likes it or not most of the people from this tribe are black

this girl is somali and just happens to be light skin. the vast majority of Somalis are brown. I only posted this girl cause she represented Somalia in miss Africa.

EnlightenedSoul: I think you're confused, you keep contradicting yourself. But OK.

If you want to stick together against this Bantu onslaught, by all means count me in. But then again Somali khafeef, deeg was lo dashtaa.

NRI PRIEST: Interesting thread; And by the way,I never believed that one about the Bantus. Any dumbhead can tell it was made up by Ayanle just to deride the Bantus. Dude is sick...

Bro what is Sick is the Somali cultures denigration of the bantus. And I apologize on their behalf. I didn't make that up, the words used to describe bantus are very mean just go on any Somali thread.

mbatuku2: Why are you pirates and terrorists?

We all like to steal and blow off steam we just do it literally.