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blenble: do u even knw what it means to b a CHRISTAIN?
Is mohammed a muslim?

SORRY, so Mohammad (saw) was a christian I don't know that I just dey hear am from ur mouth (OLODO)

blenble: i dnt need to check any thread,the WORD OF GOD-THE BIBLE is my standard,Jesus died and ressurected-He said it Himself!

If you don't check the thread can you tell me where jesus or disciples witness the crucification, let me remind you once again that disciples of jesus forsaken him and all run away so who witness the killing of jesus

blenble: .
If Jesus is coming for the jews alone,then u r a fool;

SORRY, I know it pains you into your body that I exposed all your lies and falsehood, don't worry continue with your falsehood Jesus (as) already said the lawless ones will be thrown in Hell. (This includes all Christians)

 "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,  and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:40-42)

As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Matthew 24: 4-8, 20-35)

Verily I say unto you, There be SOME STANDING HERE, WHICH SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (Matthew 16:28)

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36, Mark 13:30 Luke 21:31)

Jesus did not return during the generation of his people, and so the prophecy failed. Many early Christian sects were disappointed, the Gospels record Jesus saying he would ‘return’ very shortly (Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27, Revelations 22:7, 12, 20) which sadly never happened

ARE YOU STILL EXPECTING JESUS CHRIST

Paul, the founder of Christianity, rejected the message of Jesus (and everything he stood for) while replacing the Gospel with his own distorted version.

The message of Jesus was pure and simple, the complete submission and surrender to God alone. He preached the religion of Islam; he fasted and prayed in the manner taught by the Prophets before him. He abstained from eating pork and drinking wine.

Paul rejected these laws and concocted his own religion, claiming “salvation comes through faith only” (sound familiar?) and not physical action or bodily prayer.

The Bible teaches the exact opposite, the stories of the Prophets teach us that salvation is attained through fasting, physical prayer, and righteous deeds, not just having faith, which is merely an article required in any organized religion.

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. (James 2:17)

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? (James 2:21-22)

The Holy Quran harmonizes these verses by teaching that salvation is attained through faith and works:

Those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and establish regular prayers and regular charity, will have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (2:227)

FASTING:

O you who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard (against evil). (2:83)

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. (Matthew 4:1-2)

Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. (Matthew 17:21)

PHYCSIAL PRAYER:

Come, let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the LORD our Maker; (Psalms 95:6)

And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD, and blessed the LORD God of my master Abraham, which had led me in the right way to take my master's brother's daughter unto his son. (Genesis 24:48)

And the people believed: and when they heard that the LORD had visited the children of Israel, and that he had looked upon their affliction, then they bowed their heads and worshipped. (Exodus 4:31


Jesus rejected that salvation can be attained through blood sacrifice and ‘faith only-ism’

I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)

But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. (Matthew 12:7)

"The lawteachers and the Pharisees sit in Moses' chair. This means you're supposed to observe and follow everything they tell you. But don't do what they do; after all, they're all talk and no action.”
(Matthew 23:2)

cleanvessel: @ ayenny02

blenble
asked you an interesting question and you have not answered. ''Are you one of Jesus sheep?'' Yes or No. If no, He is not coming for you. He is coming for His sheep. Finished.

Hope you don't used glass, if don't use it you should have seen my answer to his question, I will answer it again.

Jesus sent and died only for the Jews!

The Bible refers to Israel as the “sheep” (Ps. 100:3, Mic. 2:12, Matt. 10:6-7, 15:24) and the Gentiles are usually called “goats” (Matt. 24:32-33).

Jesus said he would only die for the Jews:

All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. (Matthew 25:32-33)

“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep... even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep." (Matthew 10:11, 15)

ARE U ISREALITY OR NIGERIA

Juell: 1. Jesus and Mohammed hav nothing in common.

Thanks for going through my article, do you accept that jesus was not crucified and if your answer is No pls I need explanation

Juell: 2. The comforter dat Jesus promised us is the holy spirit.

From the verses of John, I need explanation how holy spirit could be;
1. Paraclete
2. He" not "It"
3. He shall not speak of himself:
4. He will guide you into all truth
5. Reprove the world of Sin, righteousness, and error:
6. Does the Holy Spirit "speak" or "inspire"
7. That he may abide with you for ever:
8. He shall bring all things into your remembrance
9. He will show you things to come

Juell: 3. U all accepted dat Jesus went to heaven. But Mohammed b4 his death didn't know where he was going, so what do u make out of dis?

If you want to know that I will advice to open ur thread and invite US

noblefada: Haha I'm really lol! I enjoy seeing u confuse each time I confront u wit d truth. Guess u never imagined dat there are some NLders who are well read in scriptures. As I told u & logicboy, anytime any day I'll always have a superior argument because I'm well read.

Don't forget that you failed woefull in my question, and you are now making mouth that you good in scripture. Let me give you second chance to attempt the question. Also before you do that I will advice you to consult the Holy spirit because I don't want a situation where by you fail in second time but try to take one question and answer it b4 another because Holy spirit will not be able to handle 10 questions at a time.

noblefada: Just 2 burst ur bubble again 4 d fun of it. The John14:1 u quoted was not talking about mansions as in house or rooms, but it's translated dwelling places. The believer is now God's house God's dwelling place. If u read dat chapter down u will see it in vs 23: Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode (dwelling places) with him. And see also 1Cor 6:19: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

See how poor you are, you leave the main question alone and now comment on my answer I gave you, so you can't answer the qustion again. Sorry!!!!!!!

noblefada: Now let ask u a question since u've been talking abt duplicity as falsehood, how come if Islam is so perfect that you people have the shia & Sunni Muslims who believe in one prophet but go about murdering one another case in note is Iraq & Syria?

Pls and pls don't derail my thread, if u need answer about shia and sunni why not open your thread and ask for the answer.
I know you very well that is your style of derail from the thread.
ARE U CLEARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Juell: QUESTION 1
Jesus meant his followers will be united in one spirit which is de spirit of God. And he and de father are one cos the father dwells within him and he within his father. If a man accepts Jesus as his LoRD, he has invited de one spirit of the father and de son to dwell within him, by so dey become one in spirit not in flesh.

You don't get the question, let me explain it very well to understand
in John 10:30 "Jesus + God= God
in John 17:21-23, Jesus + disciples + God = God
Can we call disciples "God"? When Jesus and God is One while in john 17:21-23, jesus+disciples+God is God
 

Juell: QUESTION 2
Dis was so cos Jesus was without any sin, he came to save de world and offered himself as a sacrificial lamb (which signifies purity). Before den de Jews offer sacrifice of spotless sheeps for their sins. When he was on de cross the sin of the whole world was upon him, and God cannot behold sin so he turned his eyes away frm him. And den he was in de flesh, his emotions played in dats y he cried out to his father.

I asked simple question and you don't get it. Christians believes tht Jesus is God that means God himself come from heaven and die on the cross for your Sin.
My question now goes thus Why God on the cross was shouting "my God, My God when himself was God or there was another God in heaven?

Juell: QUESTION 4
Read Acts 2. Dats wen de holy spirit came upon de disciples, and de sign was dem speaking in different tongues. And dis happened after Jesus had departed to heaven. De disciples went into hiding, but wen de spirit came upon dem dey where filled wit boldness and went out preaching.
John 14:16-17 (de last sentence) But u do because he lives wit u now and later will be in u.

Juell pls cool down, you believe that God +jesus+holy spirit=God that is to say God is jesus, God is holy spirit and holy spirit is God, holy spirit is Jesus.
Now come to my question again, Jesus said "If I do not go away the Paraclete will not come to you"

* Why your God needs to go before allow another God to come or Holy spirit is not God again

* Why Jesus used Paraclete instead of Holyspirit because this is only one place that jesus used paraclete why he didn't use holy spirit direct



JUELL pls I don't want you to stress yourself, I will advice you to take one Question and battle it to finish before another one or leave other questions to other christian because I expect one christian on each question.

noblefada: QUESTION 9: I believe in only Jesus Christ as reveal by the Holy Scriptures and the bible says in Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life;

CONTRADICTION
1. Did Jesus Christ have two fathers? The Father is the Father of the Son (I John 1:3), yet the child born of Mary was conceived by the Holy Ghost (Matthew 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35). Which one is the true father? Some trinitarians say that the Holy Ghost was merely the Father's agent in conception - a process they compare to artificial insemination!

2. How many Spirits are there? God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:24), the Lord Jesus is a Spirit (II Corinthians 3:17), and the Holy Spirit is a Spirit by definition. Yet there is one Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 4:4

noblefada: I believe the scriptures so I'm not interested in any other religion, besides I know Islam is not the way.

if don't have interested in other religion but you shud have known that you were in falsehood and which can't save you in hereafter

noblefada: QUESTION 10: I found out a long time ago, truth is only found in Christ Jesus: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me, and the Father is well pleased with him: Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell. I'm so grateful I'm in Christ Jesus!
Thank you for your time

"I am the way, ...no one comes to the Father, but through me."

There appear to be a sizable number of Christians who when reading this verse interpret it to state that Jesus is God and that no one shall enter into heaven except if they worship Jesus.

If we were to back up a little and read from the beginning of this chapter, we would find that just before Jesus spoke these words, he said;

"In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a mansion for you." John 14:2

The above statement is quite clear. It is in exact conformance to the teachings of the Qur'an. In the Qur'an we are told how God sent messengers to all tribes and nations. We are told that the basic message which was given to each of these tribes was the same: "Worship God alone and worship none else."

It was further made clear to this messenger's people that if they were to obey him that they would receive the reward of God. God would not hold them accountable for what any other tribe or nation did or did not do. This would continue until God's last messenger, Muhammad (pbuh) would be sent to all mankind as the seal of the prophets.

"Verily!, We have sent you (O Muhammad) with the Truth, a bearer of glad tidings and a warner. And there has not been a nation except a warner had passed among them". Fatir(35):24

This is exactly what Jesus is saying here. He said that in God's mansion there are "many" rooms. Jesus was sent to guide to only one of them. The countless other rooms were reserved for other tribes and nations if they would obey their messengers. However, Jesus was telling his followers that they need not worry themselves about the other rooms. Anyone from among his people who wished to enter into the room which was reserved for them could only do so if they followed Jesus and obeyed his command. So Jesus confirmed that he was going to prepare "a" mansion and not "all" the mansions in "my Father's house".

Further, the verse clearly states that Jesus was the "WAY" to a mansion. He did not say that he is the "DESTINATION" which would be the case if he were God, the destination of all worship and prayer. What else would we expect a prophet of God to say except "I am the 'way' to God's mercy"? That is his job. That is what a prophet does. It is why God chose him in the first place; in order to guide to the mercy of God. This is indeed confirmed in John 10:9 where Jesus tells us that he is "the door" to "the pasture." In other words, he is the "prophet" who guides his people to "heaven" (see also Jn. 12:44). Once again, this is the message of Islam.

noblefada: QUESTION 6: All are authentic because they are human accounts, read all of them together it will give u a clearer picture.

Failed woefully

noblefada: QUESTION 7: I don't understand, because in KJV, ISV, AMP, MKJV i.e. it is clearly written there. Pls kindly provide the said versions and I'll look it up.

failed woefully, so you have different bibles

noblefada: QUESTION
QUESTION 8: I don't about the catholic bible (though I've about it), but all I know there is only one bible with 66 books, anything else I cannot comment on, I think you should ask the catholics.

Failed woefully, different bible, different doctrine and different God
(Falsehood exposed)

noblefada: This the problem I've wit u, I've answered ur questions bt u're trying to avoid them. Let me tell you plainly the oneness is in the Spirit! The life of God is the Holy spirit, who ever has the HS now has the life of God. Its like becoming a citizen of a country. Before Christ people had the Spirit upon but wit Christ the Spirit is now indwelling the believer! 1Co 6:17 But he
that is joined unto the
Lord is one spirit. I have the life of God in me! Halleluyah

See how you failed woefully, you better give another people a chance to answer my question, by now you should have known that you are in falsehood and you better leave the falsehood and accept the truth.

You just disgrace yourself, did you remember the comment you posted on my thread on friday before it was deleted that you can do this, you can do that, can't you see yourself now and I also believe that if that my thread was not removed from front page you people should have commit suicide by now because of what, because I exposed your falsehood.
Pls help me get another people to answer my questions.

Islamic Society of Berks County purchases former Methodist church in the city

The Islamic Society of Berks County has a permanent home after finalizing the recent purchase of Wesley United Methodist Church, 101 W. Windsor St., in the northwest section of the city.

"This will serve as our mosque and our center," said Abdul Fatai, 52, one member of the shura, a consultation committee that will help to operate the worship site.

Fatai was joined by other shura members in the midst of renovating the building, including Mohamed Sillah, 52; Hassan Amin, 44; Moro Osmen, 40; and Abdoulie Njie, 60.

Fatai said the society, formed in 2010, originally gathered in members' homes and more recently met at Dunn Community Center, Exeter Township.

Fatai said the society draws an estimated 1,000 to 1,500 Muslim worshippers, most of them living in the city and representing a diversity of immigrant cultures and nations, including those originally from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Morocco, Ghana, Gambia and Sierra Leone.

Americans, black and white, also are represented in the society, Fatai said.

"Our members come from immigration as well as conversions here," Fatai said, noting that Muslim groups across the country often buy old churches or libraries and convert them into buildings for worship using additional space for classrooms, offices and children's playrooms.

The Rev. Dr. David Knotts, 64, who served as supply pastor to the 150-member Wesley United Methodist congregation for the past year, said the church sold for $250,000 with a parking lot.

The front part of the church, which houses the sanctuary, was constructed in 1922, he said, and an older part in the back dates from the church's founding in 1904 when it was known as Windsor Street Methodist Episcopal Church.

"We still have an active congregation and a mission ministry, but trying to keep up the building was eating us out of house and home," said Knotts, church pastor for about 19 years and a psychologist at Spring Psychological Associates, Sinking Spring.

"My appointment at Wesley ends on June 30," Knotts said. "The plan is to merge our congregation with Holy Cross United Methodist Church, 329 N. Fifth St., but the merger must still be voted on by the two congregations."

Holy Cross has about 381 members, according to the Rev. John Gudikunst, church pastor.

"The uniting of the Wesley United Methodist Church with the Memorial Church of the Holy Cross United Methodist Church represents the very best of Jesus' Great Commission - to go into the world to make disciples," Gudikunst said. "The commitment of Wesley and Holy Cross to be in ministry in our city strengthens all of us as we live out our faith by being and becoming the heart and hands of Jesus.

"This new congregation has the opportunity to work with people from all religious backgrounds and beliefs in order to meet the people of this city where they live, to help them find true meaning in this life, and invite them to become part of the many religious traditions that are alive in this city.

"Together, people of faith can improve their lives and offer true hope to the people who need it the most."

In a statement from Bishop Peggy A. Johnson, bishop of the Eastern Pennsylvania Conference of the UMC, Valley Forge, Montgomery County, the planned merger is intended to strengthen the United Methodist presence in Reading.

"It also will enhance the church's witness and outreach to the poor in the city," she said.

Some of the ministries that will continue include a community day camp, a cooperative vacation Bible school ministry among city and suburban UMC churches, an annual community faith and health picnic and participation in the Community Prevention Partnership of Berks County.

The bishop also pointed to an effort to foster "a new day of interreligious cooperation" between Muslims and Christians to better serve the community.

"Christians and those of the Muslim and Jewish faith traditions share much in common in their way of honoring and serving the creator God," Johnson said. "All three believe in serving God by caring for one's neighbor, especially who are the least, the last and the lost."

Both Fatai and Sillah expressed the desire of the Islamic Society to create an interfaith association with the Methodists and other community groups.

"We are very receptive to having a relationship with them," Sillah said. "We intend to be good neighbors and go door-to-door to introduce ourselves to the surrounding community."

"There has been so much negativity about Muslims that one of our goals is to educate the public and reach out to help the community," Fatai said.

"We will have an open house sometime in the next three months and we will invite city officials and neighbors," he said. "We hope to be able to offer food from every nation (represented in the Islamic Society)


http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=484846

"Jesus answered them, ‘Watch out that no one misleads you. For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ," and they will mislead many ... Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!" or "There he is!" do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Remember, I have told you ahead of time.’" Matthew 24:4-5, 23-25

The prophet Muhammad(saw) certainly does not fit the description given by Jesus.

To start off, Jesus says that many will come IN MY NAME claiming I AM THE CHRIST. The prophet Muhammad(saw) never claimed he was the Christ, that title was never given to him in the Quran, the term Christ is only given to Jesus in the Quran. Secondly, Muhammad never came in Jesus’ name; Muhammad came for Allah’s cause, not Jesus’. So therefore as we already see, the prophet Muhammad(saw) does not match the description given by Jesus.

The next description Jesus gives is that the false prophet will perform several great signs and wonders. The prophet Muhammad(saw) does not fit this description neither. In fact one of the main arguments Christians bring up against Muhammad, is that he did not perform great miracles and signs like the former prophets. In fact the unbelievers also accused Muhammad(saw) of this:

But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, "Why are not (Signs) sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?" Do they not then reject (the Signs) which were formerly sent to Moses? They say: "Two kinds of sorcery, each assisting the other!" And they say: "For us, we reject all (such things)!" 28:48

Nay; rather it is signs, clear signs in the breasts of those who have been given knowledge; and none denies Our signs but the evildoers. They say, 'Why have signs not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'The signs are only with God, and I am only a plain warner. What, is it not SUFFICIENT FOR THEM that We have sent down upon thee the Book that is recited to them? Surely in that is a mercy, and a reminder to a people who believe. (29:49-51)

So as you can see, the pagans accused the prophet Muhammad(saw) of not performing great miracles and signs. As I also mentioned, Christians themselves always bring this argument up, so hence a Christian cannot honestly take both sides of the arguments, Christian’s must make their mind up. Did Muhammad(saw) perform great signs and wonders or did he not? If he did not, then he does not fit the description of a false prophet. This just shows double standards Christians use in their arguments.
However so, I am not saying Muhammad(saw) did not perform miracles and so on. He most certainly did, go read the hadiths to read them for yourself. The Quran is also a miracle and a sign. However so what I am saying is that the prophet Muhammad(saw) did not go around everyday performing miracles, and doing great wonders, So either way, the prophet Muhammad(saw) does not match that description.

Also finally, the prophet Muhammad(saw) did not try to persuade the people to believe him by major miracles and signs. This is not how went about things, so again he does not fit the description.

So as we see, those verses which Christians often bring up do not refer to Muhammad, the prophet Muhammad(saw) does not fit the description.

cleanvessel: @ ayenny02

Christians are commissioned to preach the gospel to every creature. I can go to any section to tell them the truth.

Who said you shud preach gospel to all creation? Jesus or Paul and back it with references

cleanvessel: If there are false prophets who perform miracles, there are true ones who perform miracles too. If there is no original there can be no counterfeit because counterfeit is copied from the original. Are you saying only the devil can perform miracles and God cannot? All the miracles performed by Jesus disciples were done by whose power?

Jesus said,...........In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." Mark 16:14-18

CAN YOU DRINK DEADLY POISON

cleanvessel: Muhammad could not perform miracles because his god (allah) is powerless. Since your leader (Muhammad) could not perform miracles, how can you followers perform? Because there is no miracle in islam, it pains you when we talk of miracles in Christendom. We are serving the true and powerful God and that makes the difference.

We don't shout on miracle and if you want to know about Prophet miracle go and read the hadiths to read them for yourself.
The Quran is also a miracle and a sign. Only One Version – Arabic: There are no different versions of the Qur'an in the Arabic language, only different translations, but none of these would be considered to hold the value and authenticity of the original Arabic version.

Memorized by Millions – Entirely: An important thing in the Qur'an is the memorization and transmission of the actual "Recitation" just as it came to Prophet Mohammad, from the Almighty God (Allah) through the Angel Gabriel, and was learned and memorized by his companions and passed it down to their followers and continued in this way until we see today, over ten millions Muslims who have committed the entire Qur'an to memory.

This is not a small feat. How many other works of literary value have been memorized and passed down through many generations in its original language, without a single change?

noblefada: My sincere apologies for not replying u much earlier. Now d answers to ur questions

QUESTION 1: The answer is right there in the passage, in vs 22: that they may be one, even as we are one. The first time Jesus was talking to the Jews while 2nd time he was talking to His disciples. Jesus was simply talking oneness in the Spirit by identification, read also 1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Jesus says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one".
Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places.
So, when jesus and God = God
Can we call Disciples +Jesus+ God=God 
If we can't call them "God" why?

noblefada: QUESTION 2: Jesus came into the world as a man, but without sin. He knew the purpose he was sent and when the time drew near he became weary becos he was a man and feelings, the reason he said that was because he never knew sin and was about to be made sin which was going to cause a separation with His Father, that what was grieved him, but praise be to God He saw it thru and now I'm a beneficiary of His sacrifice. 2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I want you to look at question again and re-answer it becos I don't want you to contradict yourself. From question 1 you said Jesus and God are ONE I.e to say God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
1. Why jesus cry on the cross when he was already known that the purpose of coming to this world was to die?
2. Jesus said my God, my God why have you forsaken me" Why did he said that when he was God himself

noblefada: QUESTION 4: Here you show your ignorance of the scriptures because it was talking about no other than the Holy Spirtit (HS). True (HS) has always been in the earth but was never indwelling any but rather came upon them. Through the OT the spirit only came on them and then left, until Jesus who now became the first man to have the indwelling of the spirit Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. That's why Jesus told His disciples in Joh 14:17B; for he dwelleth with you (i.e. the HS indwelling in Jesus), and shall be in you (indwelling all believers).

You don't understand the question very well
Do you believe that God+Jesus+holyspirit=1 that's God
1. If your answer is YES, Why Jesus need to go and send himself back again when you believe that 1+1+1=1
2. If your answer is NO, that is God is not Jesus,or God is not Holy spirit or Jesus is not God and Holy spirit, why did he said that if I do no go away the paraclete will not come when the paraclete was already with them



Let us settle with those three question above before proceed to other question

blenble: You are jusst spewing rubbish...you r saying dt Jesus will proclaim islam

so jesus (as) was christian abi?

blenble: yet u dnt believe Him,u dnt accept Him as d Lord,u dnt believ in His death and resurection. You dnt belive in His work of salvaton,and u want Him to come for u...

check this thread you will see what happen during crucification and resurection
https://www.nairaland.com/1317282/what-happened-between-jesuss-crucifixion

blenble: Jesus said-"I am the good shepherd;I know my own sheep, and they know me,- John 10:14.
D question is ARE U PART OF HIS SHEEP?

See how you gun down yourself, infact you don't know nothing about your religion talkless to know about Jesus.


Jesus sent and died only for the Jews!

The Bible refers to Israel as the “sheep” (Ps. 100:3, Mic. 2:12, Matt. 10:6-7, 15:24) and the Gentiles are usually called “goats” (Matt. 24:32-33).

Jesus said he would only die for the Jews:

All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. (Matthew 25:32-33)

“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep... even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep." (Matthew 10:11, 15)

ARE U ISREALITY OR NIGERIA

cleanvessel: You are only quoting the letters of the bible but you don't have the spirit to interpret it. You have a carnal and not spiritual knowledge of it.

If you want to get the true interpretations or answers to your questions, reduce your lengthy posts you copied from islamic website, which you yourself don't understand. Let issues be treated one after the other.

That's reason you people wanted to commit suicide yesterday if I don't use holy spirit to interpret bible yesterday why you people refused to used holy spirit to correct what I quoted. Also all my question I asked you people to answer why not consult holy spirit to help you to answer them or holy spirit has vacate from nairaland. Sorry no point

cleanvessel: But wait a minute: why are you primarily concerned about Christianity and contribute so litttle to your religion. Are you not trained in islam but to criticize the christians? I'm sure you are not doing islamic evangelism here because islam does not invite the christians:

Look at your reasoning, can I ask you that what did you do in islamic section why can't you stay in section and contribute to your falsehood religion.
I can see from your logic that you don't want me to expose all christianity lies and falsehood and you are using style to beg me not to expose them, don't worry we have just started and we are still continue until all you accept that the christianity are falsehood, man made and corrupted religion.

cleanvessel: The Bible is full of life and power. We practice what is written in it and we experience God's power - miracles.

The Bible says that even false prophets can perform miracles,
(1)   The Bible says false prophets can perform miracles (Matt. 24:24)

Matthew 7:22

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23. Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers

cleanvessel: @ ayenny02

An anti-Christ is anybody or any religion (islam) who/which worship idols in the name of God. You do not expect such idolaters to confess Jesus as Son of God or as Lord.

I beg don't commit suicide, if you read my post from beginning you will see that those who know a little in bible were pointless talklless you that don't know anything abt your religion.
I will advice to go to church tomorrow and show ur pastor all my post maybe he will help you with any information.
Thks..... Pointless comment

cleanvessel: @ golpen

You have no real points against the Bible and nobody can feel fraustrated carrying and reading it. It is life and power.

By the way, you were yet to finish in your response to my thread ''Today's Quran Is Not the Original'' before your moderator quickly deleted it.

You may wish to seize this opportunity to complete your post by answering this question:

The writer of the quran was called to write a large proportion of it at a time when there were differences in recitations by the memorizers (Bukhari Vol. 61, Book 6, Number 510) possibly because satan has finally succeeded in making inputs in the quranic revelations.

There is no doubt that he (writer) made guess-works in his writings as he could not hear from Allah to know which ones were correct among the different recitations. You remember that satan tried to make such inputs in Muhammad's time but for the intervention of Allah made possible because he could hear from Allah.

How therefore can you say a book (quran) written from guess-works is holy or perfect? How are you sure what were eventually written were not satanic revelations. Thanks.

I don't know ur problem, can't you see you people have been refuted and you wanted to use style to derail from the topic, I don't blame you if not because they have deleted my yesterday thread from front page you people shud have commit suicide by now.
I promise you people you will still stay away from going to church after people have seen your falsehoodn I asked almost 10 questions and nobody didn't attempt to answer me except DESIKA who is not christian. Shame on you people and if you have anything in mind go and open your thread and call us don't derail anybody thread, DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!

cleanvessel: Take a temporary leave on these questions of yours and attend to the ones that primarily concern you.

can't you attempt to answer anyone from the question. Very disappointing!!!!!

cleanvessel: Go to THREAD:

1. ''Why Allah's Reconciliation''-Islam is alleged to be idol worship. What is your opinion? Or do you read only the bible to discredit it and don't care what is happening to your religion?

can't you see that I have answered your question

cleanvessel: 2. ''Nobody Can Corrupt the Bible''. The question of quran being a guess-work under the thread, which all of you are dodging since.

Hurry up!

If you try to read from beginning of the thread you will see that OP has refuted

blenble: Let me show u something again,Jesus said in Matthew 24:30-31. (NLT).
30. And then at last,the sign that the Son of man is coming will appear in the heavens,and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And He will send out His angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather HIS CHOSEN/ELECTED ONES from all over the world-from the farthest end of the earth and heaven.

So my question for you is-WHO ARE THE CHOSEN ONES? WHO ARE THE ELECTED ONES?

Matt 24:30-36
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

 34Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled.

 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

After reading Mathew chapter 24 the reader will notice how the bible says:  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. This would mean that the end of time prophecie (jesus his second coming and the raiging of the death back to life) should occur during the first century (in the time of the generation to which jesus spoke in the bible) , the christian faces a dilemma.


Clearly jesus (according to the bible) meant his generation who witnessed his speech, those who were living at that time! Jesus makes clear that ‘this generation’ , those who were standing in front of him would witness al those signs!

TELL ME WERE YOU AMONG THEM OR ARE DISCIPLES STILL ALIVE?

blenble: If His disciples do not believe Him,why were they preaching abt His death and ressurection after His ascention?

see how u failed, I asked to give me any verses from bible where the disciples believed in crucification and ressurrection of jesus

blenble: He came to show us d wat to d father,which is through Him...I am sure you knw what John 3:16 says!
Pls answer my questions above.
Jesus love you.

"that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.   (From the NIV Bible, John 3:15-17)"

First of all, it is important to know that John 3:15-17 is not a quote from Jesus himself in the Bible.  It is a quote that exist in the so-called "Gospel of John", but the Gospel itself according to the theologians and historians of the NIV Bible had been tampered with and altered by men, along with most of the Bible's books and gospels.

The interpretation of John 3:16 can mean that if one doesn't believe in Jesus as the "son of God", and that he died on the cross for our sins, then the person will not have an Eternal Life in Paradise.  The problem with this, however, is that

 "Son of God" in Hebrew literally means "Servant of God"

Also, others in the Old Testament were called "son of God", in reference to "servant of God".  So Jesus being "Son of God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty Himself or part of Him.


Below are how john3:16 doctrine deviates from the Bible.

1. Did Jesus Christ have two fathers? The Father is the Father of the Son (I John 1:3), yet the child born of Mary was conceived by the Holy Ghost (Matthew 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35). Which one is the true father? Some trinitarians say that the Holy Ghost was merely the Father's agent in conception - a process they compare to artificial insemination!
2. How many Spirits are there? God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:24), the Lord Jesus is a Spirit (II Corinthians 3:17), and the Holy Spirit is a Spirit by definition. Yet there is one Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 4:4).

3. If Father and Son are co-equal persons, why did Jesus pray to the Father? (Matthew 11:25). Can God pray to God?

4. Similarly, how can the Son not know as much as the Father? (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32).

5. Similarly, how can the Son not have any power except what the Father gives Him? (John 5:19, 30; 6:38).

6. Similarly, what about other verses of Scripture indicating the inequality of the Son and the Father? (John 8:42; 14:28; I Corinthians 11:3).

7. Did "God the Son" die? The Bible says the Son died (Romans 5:10). If so, can God die? Can part of God die?

8. How can there be an eternal Son when the Bible speaks of the begotten Son, clearly indicating that the Son had a beginning? (John 3:16; Hebrews 1:5-6).

9. If the Son is eternal and existed at creation, who was His mother at that time? We know the Son was made of a woman (Galatians 4:4).

10. Did "God the Son" surrender His omnipresence while on earth? If so, how could he still be God?

noblefada: Dear ayenny02, I can see u're tryin so hard 2 discredit the scriptures! I guess u're rolling over urself thinking no one can answer ur questions, well I've did answers are ready 4 it??

Can you help me to answer the question?

blenble: You are just spewing trash...until u find d answer to d quetions above,then consider urself as an Antichrist.

Your question has been answered already but if you claimed that you didn't see it I will answer it for purpose of the truth;
1. You said do I believe jesus as lord?

How do I believe in jesus as lord when Jesus (as) himself said in in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel:  The Lord our God is one Lord."   The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him.  Jesus didn't say "Your God".  He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

2. You said did I believe in Jesus as Son of God

How come Christians take the "God's Son" title literally with Jesus and they don't take it literally for the rest of the prophets and people who were called the Sons of God?

In John 3:16 Jesus was called God's only Begotten Son.

In Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn."  Israel was called God's First Son.

In Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn."  Ephraim is God's First Son and First Born.

In Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."  David was called God's Begotten Son.


3. You said did I believe in jesus that came as flesh

Yes Jesus came to this world as a flesh not spirit because he was a human being and just a messenger of God


4. You said did I believe in Jesus as a Savior

I saw in Luke 10:25-28 how Jesus confirmed that the Law of Moses is the way to "Eternal Life".  Here is another incident where Jesus was asked exact question by another person:

Luke 18
18.  A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19.  "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
20.  You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
21.  "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22.  When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

blenble: If u dnt believ any of d above,then u r an ANTICHRIST.

Let me Give some Contradictions of Paul to know more that he was anti-christ:

(1). Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. (Romans 3:20) 

Contradicted by:

For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Romans 2:13)

(2). Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. (Galatians 6:2)

Contradicted by:

For each one should carry his own load. (Galatians 6:5)

(3). For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, (1 Peter 3:18)

Contradicted by:

The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the traitor for the upright. (Proverbs 21:18)  

(4). Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. (Hebrews 13:4)

Contradicted by:

But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this. (1 Corinthians 7:28)

blenble: Paul was called by Jesus to preach to d jews and d gentiles alike!

Can you tell me where Jesus called paul?