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Health wise, it's something bad, putting his lungs, kidney and heart in danger not to now talk of it biblically which is a sin. Let him know the effect of it to his health maybe you could convice him. You should also support it telling him that God also detests it. It is well with you.

englishmart:
Mine is Jesus. He died for the sins of the world.
I like his altruism..

I don't mind dying to set people free too. Coz I'm one selfless human...

Hmmmmmn..... You are sure you can?. It's much easier to say anyway, but always difficult to act. No matter how selfless you are, you can not permit yourself to be killed for the offence you knew nothing about. Even the Lord Jesus asked that the cup should pass him over when the suffering got to a point. It's not easy my brother. What Jesus did is a sacrifice that no man can endure through such. Moroever God also asked the angels that Whom He shall send, but none gave a positive reply except Jesus

Elijah and Paul. These two men were terror to the kingdom of darkness while they were on Earth. Infact devil fears them no be small

God help us, save us from all this killer disease.

PastorKun:
Has it occurred to you that it is tithe preachers that are adding to the word of God and are the ones being cursed in the revelations passage you posted. It is clear that biblical tithes is not money contrary to the lies preached today and biblical tithes was directed strictly to the israelites and never to christians.

It is those who redefine God's tithe and mis apply it to christians that are under a curse and not those of us standing by the truth.

My brother, if you are not convinced paying tithe, don't pay it is your own cup of tea, No one is forcing you to pay tithe sir. Those that are paying their tithes are getting blessed over time, that's why they don't stop paying. Tithe is also an act of faith, if you don't believe in it you will not receive the blessing in it even though you are paying. The Bible also said we should honour God with our first fruits, it is not compulsory like that of tithes, but those that pay their first fruits honours God. There are great blessings in honouring God, those that pay their first fruits will not miss this great blessings, not at all.

Even the Pastors, members pay their tithes too also have superior fathers that they all pay tithes too. So uou can see that Nobody is excluded from giving tithes.

Nobody is forcing you to pay tithes sir, if you are not convinced of not paying tithes is left to you, it is not your duty to convince others not to pay. Never let the children of God miss great blessing behind tithe paying, Please!

I know you will pay dearly for this. Because it is something bad to mislead people from the truth. Never you twist the word of God to prove your point.

Revelation 22:18-19King James Version (KJV)

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

What do you have to say concerning this

Revelation 22:18-19King James Version (KJV)

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Many Christians struggles to pay tithe that they need more encouragement to continue to pay tithe. Now you are even complicating matters to prove them right of not paying tithe.


Malachi 3:8-12King James Version (KJV)

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

The bible say God will rebuke devourers for our sake if we pay our tithes, and also cause the windows of heaven open unto us. Never let people miss this beautiful covenant blessings.

You must be part of the people that only see the New testament as bible alone, which is very wrong. If you don't have any word to say to encourage the children of God, it's better you keep calm than turning people away from the truth with your posts. I am very sure one or two might have been conviced with this twisted lesson of yours.

gatiano:
GOD is the most high, The beginning and The end, The all powerful, Supreme, The Best planner, The beneficent, The merciful, The Originator and The creator. Who can i rely on? who will i or we will be without the love, kindness and mercy of GOD? nothingness is something yet we will be below that.

Does GOD pray? YES, HE prays to The Originator Who gave HIM form and life. and GOD is one!

how you stupid pieces of dung? you would ask if you are intelligent.

before we go further into why GOD prays, you must understand the reality of GOD. Reality means something or somebody that exist in form or matter.
GOD is real and not a spirit. GOD is a MAN. like me, you daddy,grandpa or great grandpa supreme in wisdom, knowledge and understanding. He know every corner of the universe, the planets, all the living creatures of the universe, the depth of the seas, the peak of the mountain, desert and hills of every planet. He's been to all in physical body, not in spirit. And he declared, nothing, nothing in the universe is as great as the blackman of the planet earth, He calls the blackman, the original, owner, asiatic and cream of the earth, but the blackman sleeps, dead in the mud only with his eyes out. he will gather them and resurrect them, and they shall be the ruler of the earth again forever. i'm not trying to make you happy for no reason, that means we will work our lifes out for ourselves for the better future of our children and children's children by the permission of GOD, to the Glory of GOD. and all we shall see and experience is peace peace peace.

back to the reality of GOD,
Adam and eve heard the voice and foot steps of GOD in the garden and they hid themselves... (a spirit can not talk "that is nollywood or hollywood stuffs" a spirit doesn't have foot steps for spirit is immaterial.
Enoch walked with GOD. (if it meant Enoch did the works of GOD, it will be stated as such, spirit don't walk, they may float for anybody that has seen them).
Three Men came from mamre, One of them was GOD, Abraham gave them water to wash their feet, they eat and even saw or heard sarah's thought (radiohead), GOD sent abraham to lot's place to find if there be 100, 10 and 1 rigteous in sodom and gomorrah, Abraham came back to report. was this all spirit?
there is a place in Job where the children of GOD came to GOD and GOD recognised the devil (also a man) precisely whiteman, devil means devaluer. (that shows existence).
GOD is a spirit, we must worship him in spirit and in truth. yes very true! but what is the meaning of spirit, truth, and "in truth"? what is the meaning of true?
if GOD is a spirit (immaterial), how can we then (as material) worship in spirit? that mean we should kill ourselves, then worship GOD in our spirit, yet GOD wants us to live eternally.

the bible we read is english, and the yoruba,igbo languages are translated from the english version, thus we will define the meaning of spirit from the english dictionary.
spirit: 1) the part of a PERSON'S MIND THAT IS ABLE TO THINKAND WILL A TALKED ABOUT AS CLEARLY AS OPPOSED TO THE BODY. Example he was tortured by the police, but they could not break his spirit. (there is no seperating the 'HE" from the "SPIRIT". Whereever the body is, the spirit is too.

2) The central quality or force of something. Example- I can't come to your wedding, but i will be there in spirit. (like i wrote, there is no spirit without its body), we can say, he is dead but, his spirit lives on. ( spirit that has a dead person, does this means GOD is dead?).

3) quality of LIVELY determination or brave effort. Example- she played the piano with great spirit.

4) an intention or feeling in the mind.
5) a person thought of because of a particular quality or activity.

so where does the mind reside? in the brain, the mind expands the brains, if one is to read the brain, one will find nothing there except flesh, the information in the brains is stored in the mind. but can anyone find the mind? but then without the body, there is no mind.

what is truth: that which is true, the state or quality of being true, only matter can have a state (air, liquid or solid), and to join the words "in
truth" means in fact or "really" really an adverb of real meaning existence. what is true?
true: in accordance with fact or reality. actual, as opposed to what is thougth or claimed. proper, correct and exact.
how can you give exact things, facts, real or deeds to what is immaterial?

GOD knows our mind as always is said in the Quran. but in reality have do we worship the real GOD? that is left to you.

If GOD is a Man, and the earth is over 76 trillion years old, is that the same GOD? Yes! GOD is one. the wisdom, knowledge and understanding of GOD is one! yet no MAN can live forever. Jesus will be 2047 years old now, My brothers and sisters, The Jesus of 2000 years ago is dead, but his spirit lives on. But there is a new Jesus, Jesus means Justice. the image of the Jesus you are used to is the caucasian picture on the church's wall, yet the new one has hair as lamb's wool and foot as brass. check out the texture of lamb's wool on google and the colour of brass feet, and see yours.

what are you talking? well i will explain in the next post in few hours.

I believe before you make this kind of post public, you should have made a complete research very well, not just coming here to make every one confused. Why would you say GOD prays, why would you say is GOD is a man while Numbers 23:19 clearly states to me that God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Paragraphs are even contradicting each other in your writeup.

below is the definition of spirit by google, spirit


/ˈspɪrɪt/

noun: spirit; plural noun: spirits
the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul
"we seek a harmony between body and spirit"
synonyms:
soul, psyche, inner self, inner being, essential being

You actually use the wrong word to qualify God "IMMATERIAL" Don't you think IMMORTAL is better?. You actually qualified yourself as a material because I will not agree with you qualifying me as a material, "I am MORTAL". Now there is nothing wrong for the mortal to keep worshipping the IMMORTAL. Naturally, it is strange serving Someone you cannot see physically. This is where faith comes in. You can't serve God without faith. We all (Men) are Spirits, just in mortal casing (body) that is why we are called man but God is a Spirit in an immortal body. Unless you die, you can never have contact with His body. Like you have already quote John 4:24, that GOD is a Spirit. It is a simple verse that could be easily understood without need of any explanation or definition unless you want to manipulate it again. GOD IS A SPIRIT AND NOT A MAN. GOD does not Pray, if you think He does.

Lemme define Prayer for you as google defines it,

prayer
/prɛː/
noun: prayer; plural noun: prayers
a solemn request for help or expression of thanks addressed to God or another deity.


According to the definition above, Prayer is directed to somebody. So what you are trying to tell me now is that God has another boss he prays too. I totally disagree with you. God does not pray at all. Make research before you post. We've got lots of athiest even here in Nairaland.

It is well with you!!!

gatiano:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5: 17-20 (this was the Beautiful, righteous Jesus of 2000 years ago), He did not come to change the old testaments, for the old testaments is the Torah (the book of law of GOD), thus everything will pass away, not the words of GOD until they are fulfilled, which meant, that they are not fulfilled yet. (moses crossing the red sea is a future event, not far again).

I will now introduce you to the Jesus who is been expected now,

Matthew 10: 34-37
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You can read down further the verse, this was the verses i was refering to. And if you look around the world today, doesn't it seem that there is Jesus presence in our midst?

I do sincerely believe that you have a wonderful soul, and all your wishes and thoughts are of your best, however, like i said, never cut out words that go contuary to your beliefs and throw verses that serves your arguments. that will make you unjust and a bad judge. to the Quran 2: 191, why didn't you quote them from the verses 190 atleast. or to expanciate better if you understand, start it from 189th verse, states:

189 They ask thee of the new moons. Say: They are times appointed for men, and (for) the pilgrimage.
And it is not righteousness that you enter the houses by their backs, but he is righteous who keeps his duty.
And go into the houses by their doors; and keep your duty to Allåh, that you may be successful.

190 And fight in the way of Allåh against those who fight against you but be not aggressive. Surely Allåh
loves not the aggressors.

191 And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, and persecution is worse than slaughter.
And fight not with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it; so if they fight you (in it), slay them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

and kill them whereever you find them,! why not? if an enemy comes to your house, would you let him kill you and your family? shouldn't you fight back? common sense makes us to fight back, it is natural for all living organism. and where ever you find them around your domain, yet unrepented, won't your enemy come back again? peradventure they come back, kill you and your family, would you blame GOD? you can't cause you have ceased to become a human being or animal is you don't fight back. but if they repent/desist, not if they turned muslim then Allah/GOD is merciful. As verse 191 is an instruction, it is also an event that is to come. like you said, heaven and earth will pass away never the words.

Quran 2 ;62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allåh and the Last Day
and does good, they have their reward with their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

Is it written anywhere that only Muslims or must be Muslims?

now according to what you wrote, if anybody reads it, gets angry (a christian or jew), and goes out on a killing spree based on the incomplete fabrications that you wrote, who will GOD place the blame on? I DON'T KNOW, Allah KNOWS BEST.

Quran 2;216
Fighting is enjoined on you, though it is disliked by you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you,
and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you; and Allåh knows while you know not.

Fighting, but fighting who? fighting here also means struggle, striving, carrying one's cross, fighting the love and urges of material pleasure and feeling. i saw a beautiful woman, she has a nice back, i imagine carrying her on my laps. (dirty thoughts, i should resist that temptation, it is also fighting), things are tough, i must keep on trying and not commit suicide. when anybody comes to kill or fight you, fight back! if boko haram goes to villages to kill, the villagers should fight back to kill (allowed), you can see the kurds.


How can you quote Quran 3: 56, without 55 and 57? 56 starts with the word "then", no sentences starts in such manner, 57 starts with "And". how did you or how will you pass waec?

Quran 3: 55-57

55 When Allåh said: O Jesus, I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve
and make those who follow thee above those who disbelieve to the day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return,
so I shall decide between you concerning that wherein you differ.


56 Then as to those who disbelieve, I shall chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the Hereafter,
and they will have no helpers.

57 And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards. And Allåh loves not the unjust.

verse 55, 56, 57 and 58 clears Jesus of false charges. because, he never said he was GOD, he never preached christianity, Jesus preached freedom, justice and equality. and most of all LOVE, for GOD IS LOVE AND LOVE IS GOD.
The jews call him a bastard and they call mary a LovePeddler (in their self made book thalmud).

and verse 56, if you declare that in your house, everybody must eat rice with vegetables or else no entry, it is either i comply with the owner of the house (you), or go some place else to eat potatoes or stay hungry.

brother, don't cut things in half, don't bear false witness.

as i am trying/fighting to be a good muslim so am i fighting/striving to be a good disiple of Jesus. disciple is from the word discipline. anybody that is disciplined by the lessons and the intructions of Jesus is his disciple(i hope i got the spelling right).

from Maulana Muhammah Ali translation.

I know you gonna pick it up right from that angle, Question: "What did Jesus mean by coming to bring a sword in Matthew 10:34-36?"

Answer: Matthew 10:34–36 describes Jesus telling the disciples that He came not to bring peace to the world, but a sword. Jesus’ sword was never a literal one. In fact, when Peter took up a sword to defend Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus rebuked him and told him to put away his sword, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword” (Matthew 26:52). Why then, did Jesus say, “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” What kind of sword did Jesus come to bring?

Among the names of Jesus Christ is that of Prince of Peace. Such verses as Isaiah 9:6, Luke 2:14, and John 14:27 make it clear that Jesus came to bring peace, but that peace is between the man and God. Those who reject God and the only way of salvation through Jesus (John 4:6) will find themselves perpetually at war with God. But those who come to Him in repentance will find themselves at peace with God. Because of Christ’s sacrifice, we are restored to a relationship of peace with God (Romans 5:1).

Still, it is inevitable that there will be conflict between good and evil, the Christ and the antichrist, the light and the darkness, the children of God (believers) and the children of the devil (those who refuse Christ). Conflict must arise between the two groups, and this can and does happen within a family in which some are believers and others are not. We should seek to be at peace with all men but should never forget that Jesus warned we will be hated for His sake. Because those who reject Him hate Him, they will hate His followers as well (John 15:18).

In Matthew 10:34–36, Jesus said He had come at this time not to bring peace to the earth, but a sword, a weapon which divides and severs. As a result of His visit to the earth, some children would be set against parents and a man’s enemies might be those within his own household. This is because many who choose to follow Christ are hated by their family members. This may be part of the cost of discipleship, for love of family should not be greater than love for the Lord. A true disciple must take up his cross and follow Jesus (Matthew 16:24). He must be willing to face not only family hatred, but also death, like a criminal carrying his cross to his own execution. True followers of Christ must be willing to give up, even to the point of “hating” all that is in our lives, even our own families, if we are to be worthy of Him (Matthew 10:37–39). In so doing, we find our lives in return for having given them up to Jesus Christ.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-sword.html


Jesus is not a Muslim, accept that has a truth. Don't call what is a lie the truth. No matter the magnitude of lies you say about the truth, the truth will remain truth, it can never change the truth to be a lie. So why not say the truth and be free, John 8:32. GOD BLESS YOU. IT IS WELL WITH YOU

Otobroto:
Nigerians with "bend-down-boutique", qualifications. They will never do things the easy ways. I just pray it is true!

"bend-down-boutique"

Yes we can, God helping us after helping ourselves though....

Riduculous!!!

The question are you a true born again Christian cannot be answered by yourself. For the truth to be spoken, others have to Identify your Character with Christ. The apostles were first called Christians in Antioch, not that they called themselves Christians but people identified a Christ like behaviour/character in them that made them conclude they were Christians. Anybody you can't identify Christ like attitude in Him/her is not born again. God bless you! Have a glorious week ahead!

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gatiano:
You are right in one sense, A muslim will never force anyone or anybody to be righteous or walk in the right path of righteousness. Muslims will never touch anybody, or infidels that mind their own business or keep to agreements. and A Muslim today will never stand by while he lets other people or person beat or kill or take his liveliwood, or his home/house like the black people (us) of 400 to 500 years ago. A Muslim will not stand by while injustice rule the day. and anything one does, he does for his own soul. I haven't covered the whole of the quran, i haven seen the 72 virgins yet. and of the killing of infidel, that you lied and it is due to your ignorance. the devils have a way of quoting from the quran or bible the verse that suits their greed and mission to mislead. thus the quran never said kill infidels, it said kill those that gives you trouble or those that are killing and if they repent, let them be.

the worst christians of all christians are the black christians, yes they have the best wishes and they strife to do the will of GOD, but what kills them is ignorance, the black christians hate to read. Muslims are not innocent, for they've turned the teachings of Muhammad to suit their own selfish interest too.

Jesus gave up himself because he had a reason to, if he doesn't want to be killed, there was no way on earth anybody would have been able to touch him. He had radiohead. that is if you know what that means.

on the other hand, Muhammad had no reason to give himself up, he fought back and then he stopped fighting to a very good reason. only best known to the most intelligent people on the planet.

so brother, it is best to not talk over what you know nothing about or over the fairytales you can't interprete or comprehend.

Is it good to kill at the first place be it believers or non believers?. Many verses of the quaran stated below adjoins you guys to kill. It is part of our ten commandments never to kill. You muslim are very fast in quoting Matthew 5:17-20, even though you don't read it to v20. Yet you are claiming that Jesus is a muslim. You know the truth say it, don't try applying diplomacy in the things of God and stop manipulating the truth. Black is black, it can never be white. Say the truth and be free.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.



Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."



Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.



Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."



Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').



Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.



Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"



Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."



Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).



Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?



Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"



Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.



Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."



Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."



Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."



Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."



Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."



Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

gatiano manipulating the truth since 1995. And that's the problem with your religion, you guys know the truth but you keep manipulating it. Op you seem to amuse me with your question. Of what fellowship light has with darkness. In what way did Jesus demonstrated/practiced Muslim. Jesus never practiced any of your evil doctrines on earth. Or is there any true Muslim that does not practice Jihad. Many places in ur holy book approved by ur so called prophet mohammed to kill infidels (Christians particularly) promising u 72 virgins prepared for you in Alujannah doing that. I could go on and on to tell u how contradicting ur doctrines are with ours. Some times u guys push me to think maybe we even serve the same God sef. Because our own God never approves of slaughtering people for the sake of not professing Islam.

If your religion is a good one, people need not to be forced to practice it. Every one has d freedom to choose the religion that suites him/her. No one has to be forced.

asalimpo:
I'm not interested in creating a new email and moniker again. Please, free my moniker for posting in there.
Atheists can post and talk their crap freely, yet me , gets banned for no reason I know of.
Is there an atheists/non christian in d mods?
Please look into this.
Thank you.

* i wanted to complain in d islamic section but,
they want every one to swear , a fvckg oath to their god. Yet they post freely in the general section.
Seun, is your life being threatened? This is no more open minded. No free speech on NL anymore. *
please unban me.

Sorry,to post this here. I sent d modes mail in d morning but they aint responding.

I was also banned from religious section. It's a pity the truth dosen't want to be heard in all sectors in this country. I dont know why one should be banned for trying to make people realise the sincere truth. God help us!

equlibrium:

elders are sleeping.
they will be here soon

You won't kill person with laff oooo

aboyaji:
only if you know what that laptop and car symbolizes respectively. The girl with car has been settled. The car will not generete income to her. But the intelligent girl with laptop will see this opportunity as a key to read, browse , write down ideas that will fetch her millions if she works harder

Hmmmn, A word has been spoken. This comment make lot of sense.

datguru:
Till jesus comes, it won't happen. The day it happens, I will eat my head

LOLS

Hmmmmmn. Fraudsters is manifesting everywhere. God help us

asalimpo:
Dicey ish.
But i thnk the line isnt set in stone.
Say one has a muslim friend who is drawg close to him. They ar friendly and buddy buddy, then 1 day the muslim offers him,his illeya meat.
He cud reject or accept. If he rejects,the friend mayb so hurt tht their friendship which was buddg dies off.
If he accepts,the friendship cud bloom to a stage where they cud talk to each other mor openly about their religions. And the christian may win a soul for christ.

Jesus ate /dined with tax collectors (crooked dubious ppl),prostitutes , sinners so he cud win them.

Paul spoke to the greeks by quoting one of their heathen poets.
That got their attention.
Paul didnt just barge in screaming REPENT O! HELL FIRE HELL FIRE!
wisdom is required.

Because Jesus dined with Zaccheus does not mean He dined with all of the tax collectors and sinners. Don't forget that Zaccheus was the one who sought Jesus first by climbing a sycamore tree to see Jesus. Remember what Psalm 1 said in case you have forgotten. GBU!

Abexgal:
Dos of u dat call islamic religion an idolatory religion er sumaw senseless, sowi 2 say cos let assume u r not senseless u won't say dat. Especially dos dat said d ram killed is 4 idols definitely d chicken killed 4 Xmas is d xam so u guys 2 in idolatory religion

You can use whatsoever you have to celebrate xmas not necessarily chicken, it's just that we have make it a norm in Africa. Many of the xmas chicken are even killed from the market so there is nothing to hide. But killing of rams is doctrinal to muslims and there are many funny things that occur on the ram even before its been killed. So why wont it be refferred as a meat to idols.

tbaba1234:
Tell me the significance of that brutal blood sacrifice.

For the remission of our sins. To reunite us with the Father. To mend our broken fellowship with God. To give us life abundantly. I can go on and on

CANTICLES:
Anyway, this is a funny thread ... Back to business : u guyz need to answer this two questions .... 1. Will muslims celebrate 'ileya' if assuming Abraham sacrifice his firstborn ?? ( coz that would mean firstborns will b roasted for ileya festival) If NO, y do it bcoz its a ram ! 2. Did Abraham even eat the ram after offering the sacrifice ??

I wonder oooo. Pls tell them ooooh. They need to know the truth.....What a beautiful comment. If anything is called sacrifice I expect it to be sacrificed and not to be eaten

tbaba1234:
Eid Ul Adha commemorates the sacrifice of Abraham.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn 'sacrifice' ....so you are to do the sacrifice every year. So what's d significance of Jesus coming and crucifixion if you still in indulge in this practice. God help us. 'The truth needs to be told' for freedom purposes...John 8:32

Princecharmin:
was Abraham a prophet

It was Isaac that was to be sacrificed and not Ishmael, so what's the correllation between Isaac and them.

Before I can answer this question, I need someone to answer this question first. What is the significance of the 'Ileya' they are celebrating? Cos I really don't get, It was Isaac that Abraham almost sacrificed that God provided a ram to sacrifice instead, and not Ishmael. So why the celebration at the first place. If it was Ishmael, the celebration can still be justified

Thank you Lord for confusion in the camp of the enemies. Your name alone be praised forever!