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IslamRe: How Did Islam Come To Nigeria? by Babadeen(m): 6:37pm On Oct 12, 2013
Shyeikul islam1: Are you admitting to the fact that you provided a false information
no....read my comment again....I said that my links are fine. Surely, you saw one from the bbc.

I ask you again- how did islam come to Nigeria?

If you cant answer the question, then there is no point engaging you
IslamRe: What Stops You From Wearing The Hijab? by Babadeen(m): 2:44pm On Oct 12, 2013
Is the hijab now by force?

Why do you have to call a woman's choice of not wearing the hijab an "excuse"


https://www.rankingfamosos.com/imagenes/famosos/20110413/rania-de-jordania-30.jpg
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The queen of Jordan and princess of Morroco. Tell them that their choice not to wear the hijab is a silly excuse.
IslamRe: I Am Not An Ex-christian by Babadeen(m): 8:36pm On Oct 03, 2013
cleanvessel: It is a pity. Heavens do not recorgnise religion. Religion is only an identity for those who have the same faith.

No wonder Jesus didn't name any religion. None of God's true prophets proclaimed any religion. It does not take anybody to heaven. What takes people to heaven is knowing God through Jesus. Jesus is the only way to heaven.

Yes, Christianity is dwindling in number. You haven't seen anything yet. Jesus said ''when I come back will I find faith on earth''?


Heaven is meant for a few people. Narrow is the way that leads there. Broad is the way that leads to Hell, the population is on daily increase. Jesus said the heavens rejoice if a person repents. For just ONE person who escape Hell. Heaven is not for the majority.

Jesus is not interested in quantity but quality. The Disciples were once up to seventy in number but reduced to twelve in one day. Jesus turned to the remaining twelve and asked them if they would not go away too. He was not interested in population.
Quality not quantity
IslamRe: I Am Not An Ex-christian by Babadeen(m): 8:56am On Oct 02, 2013
vedaxcool: "Logic"boy, liberal interpretation of Christianity like the Anglican church permitting gay bishops etc, christianity is adopting liberals views on its religious teachings . . . tomorrow the ungrateful being in you would call here a cave yet every now and then you sneaked into the cave, poor you! grin grin grin grin
huh
IslamRe: I Am Not An Ex-christian by Babadeen(m): 6:24am On Oct 02, 2013
Shyeikul islam1: In Ireland where chriatains are slaughtering each other. right? But such news cannot make a headline since its not related to islam
Come on.....this is not the 80's or 90's
IslamRe: I Am Not An Ex-christian by Babadeen(m): 6:21am On Oct 02, 2013
tbaba1234: Beautiful piece

I am not an Ex-Christian

I have since learned that this way of life has a name, and like a man who takes off a blindfold, I realised the true colours of all the things I only previously was allowed only to feel. This name is not 'freedom', nor is it 'liberty', but rather it was political system based upon the cult of the individual -otherwise known as 'Liberalism'.

Christianity no longer rules the West - it is long gone. Even the most fanatical of evangelical Christians are but shadows of their ancestors. Liberalism has neutered all religion it encounters, and renders it impotent. Religion used to be the medieval word for what we would call 'Ideology', but now it has only the meaning of a set of spiritual beliefs and rituals. To describe the meaning it once had, people use the new words of 'ideology', or 'worldview', and restrict it only to descriptions for modern day 'religions' of Liberalism (secularism, capitalism, democracy, individualism) and Communism.

But Liberalism defeated Christianity and confined it. So thorough was its defeat of Christianity, that Christians now interpret their bible according to Liberal morality. This leads to absurd situations, as we encounter Christians who debate with Muslims honestly believing that Islam (along with the 'Islamic God') is unjust, because of various laws Islam advocate - DESPITE these exact same laws (or harsher) existing in the bible!


http://abdullahalandalusi.com/2013/09/30/i-am-not-an-ex-christian/
Criticising the west unfairly
First and foremost, liberalism is a multi-dimensional word with many meanings to start with. To use "liberalism" just like that to criticise christianity and the west just makes the article look like lazy journalism. Liberalism as a concept has many facets and underlying theories and concepts. A simple wikipedia or google search will show you that

Furthermore, not everyone in the UK is a liberal or suscribes to liberalism. There are many conservatives in the government who are socially/culturally conservative- especially with immigration and protecting "British culture". I would still have to admit that in general, the UK is a liberal society- which leads me to my last and most in point.....


Liberalism did not defeat christianity. Liberalism is not a competing religion or way of life. Christianity declines with advancement, enlightenment and freedom. Take the top ten advanced countries in the world- all of them are secular.

However, let me explain with the USA; the USA is the most religious country in the West (among "western" countries). However, the USA is facing its fastest decline in christianity over the decades in the last few years. Young adults are now becoming irreligious. What is the reason they give? Discrimination, evolution, the internet, restricting freedom, science etc.....all these things listed boils down to 2 facts

-the internet is a source of knowledge that these people use to learn about religion which mostly turns them against it
-these teens are demanding a logical explanation for societal issues that religion cant give- why discriminate against gays? why tell us not to wear sexy outfits? why are you against evolution?
IslamRe: I Am Not An Ex-christian by Babadeen(m): 5:42am On Oct 02, 2013
I will humbly ask the op and the mods to listen to people who are/were christians and also live in the UK to get a balanced view on this subject.

As someone that has these characteristics, I wont lie that I am disappointed with the article.
IslamRe: I Am Not An Ex-christian by Babadeen(m): 5:39am On Oct 02, 2013
Why not put this thread on the front page so that christians can challenge it?

If it is not fair to see islam from only the viewpoint of an ex-muslim, why then would it be ok to view christianity from an ex-christian?


There are so many holes in the article

1) Overgeneralization


tbaba1234: Beautiful piece

I am not an Ex-Christian

I used to think I left Christianity, but I realise that is not the whole truth. Like many professed Christians in the UK, I was Christian only 'once a week' with regards to practicing the belief. Although I believed in God, and I believed in Jesus as the messiah and had high regard for the Bible - to call Christianity my 'way of life' would have been a stretch of the imagination.

What does having a 'way of life' even mean? If a way of life meant calling oneself an adherent of a religion, practicing it once a week, and saying prayers before going to sleep - then yes, christianity was my 'way of life'. But the truth was, my way of life wasn't Christianity - for how can something be the way I live my life when it has so little manifestation in my life, and didn't contribute any purpose to it. I lived my life WHILE being a Christian, not BECAUSE of it.

http://abdullahalandalusi.com/2013/09/30/i-am-not-an-ex-christian/
The UK is a diverse country. There are lots of christians who practice their faith rigorously. Just because the avergae british christian isnt very religious, one should not discount the millions who are very religions.

Furthermore, immigration being on the rise in the UK, we have many immigrant or international churches which are always full. For instance, there
are West African churches in South london that are always full at every service or mass.

Then there is ireland, where there are many pockets of "strong" christianity.


The other generalization is that the author does not look at the USA or other christian nations. He uses his experience in the UK as the background for his point.






2) The false claim that religion is always about politics (a very odd point from someone who knows christianity)

tbaba1234: Beautiful piece

I am not an Ex-Christian

Religion can never be separated from politics, because religion WAS about politics - it was about life, about how to live every facet of it, about its very purpose.


http://abdullahalandalusi.com/2013/09/30/i-am-not-an-ex-christian/
Jesus said "give unto Caesar what what is Caesar's and to God what is God's" (Matthew 22;21)

The above quote has been used by christians to argue for a separation from church and state. Separation from religion and politics.


The quote is one of the most popular quotes in the bible when it comes to politics. A muslim might not know this but it is appalling to find a christian who doesnt.

Jesus was never into politics. He never took on any office. He focused on preaching the word, leaving the natural state of affairs in the society to the politicians.



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I could go on and on about the flaws in the article but let me leave it here
IslamRe: It's Time To Face Up To The Problem Of Sexual Abuse In The White Community by Babadeen(m): 12:08pm On May 09, 2013
Frosbel writes an interesting piece on this issue

https://www.nairaland.com/739883/hypocrisy-child-abuse-many-muslim#8961544



frosbel: Some Muslims are fond of condemning western morality – alcoholism, nudity, premarital sex and homosexuality often being cited as examples. But Muslims do not have a monopoly on morality. In the west, child marriages and sex with children are illegal. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for many Muslim countries.

I recently saw the documentary on the Dancing Boys of Afghanistan. It exposed an ancient custom called "bacha bazi" (boy for play), where rich men buy boys as young as 11 from impoverished families for sexual slavery. The boys are dressed in women's clothes and made to dance and sing at parties, before being carted away by the men for sex. Owning boys is considered a symbol of status and one former warlord boasted of having up to 3,000 boys over a 20-year period, even though he was married, with two sons. The involvement of the police and inaction of the government means this form of child prostitution is widespread.

The moral hypocrisy is outrageous in a country where homosexuality is not only strictly forbidden but savagely punished, even between two consenting adults. However, men who sodomise young boys are not considered homosexuals or paedophiles. The love of young boys is not a phenomenon restricted to Afghanistan; homosexual pederasty is common in neighbouring Pakistan, too. In my view, repression of sexuality and extreme gender apartheid is to blame.

And in the Middle East, it's young girls who are considered desirable and men are able to satisfy their lusts legally through child marriages. In Yemen, more than a quarter of girls are married before the age of 15. Cases of girls dying during childbirth are not unusual, and recently, one 12-year-old child bride even died from internal bleeding following sexual intercourse. In another case, a 12-year-old girl was married to an 80-year-old man in Saudi Arabia.

So why is the practice of child marriage sanctioned in Muslim countries? Unfortunately, ultra-conservative religious authorities justify this old tribal custom by citing the prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha. They allege Aisha was nine years old when the prophet married her. But they focus conveniently on selected Islamic texts to support their opinions, while ignoring vast number of other texts and historical information, which suggests Aisha was much older, putting her age of marriage at 19. Child marriage is against Islam as the Qur'an is clear that intellectual maturity is the basis for deciding age of marriage, and not puberty, as suggested by these clerics.

Whatever one's view on the prophet's marriage, no faith can claim moral superiority since child marriages have been practised in various cultures and societies across the world at one time or another. In modern times, though, marrying children is no longer acceptable and no excuse should be used to justify this.


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I wonder how, then, Muslims can remain silent when it comes to the sexual abuse of children?
IslamRe: It's Time To Face Up To The Problem Of Sexual Abuse In The White Community by Babadeen(m): 12:00pm On May 09, 2013
tiarabubu: Why are you more worried about white priests and oyinbos while you ignore a bigger problem in your own backyard? They are perfecting their system, dealing with crimes committed decades ago, and allowing people like you in to make a life and religion in relative peace. Your own people have not guaranteed that for others neither have their system ensured justice for young girls and even babies (as evidenced by that fatwa) nor for religious minorities and you come here to talk of bigotry.Some of us tell it as it is. That aint bigotry.

Please remove the log in your eyes before talking about the speck in another man's.
Tbaba dare not reply this because it is exposing the hypocrisy!



Tiarabubu, I love you! smiley

Great post
IslamRe: The Srebrenica Massacre by Babadeen(m): 6:01pm On Mar 11, 2013
Babadeen: Before someone tries to shut me up with a ban. I am saddened that these Bosnian muslims were killed and slaugtered mercilessly. I am horrified and sad at any tragedy.
Christianity EtcRe: The Best President Ever Is An Atheist- Uruguayan President Donates 90% Of Salary by Babadeen(m): 6:00pm On Mar 11, 2013
bump
IslamRe: Lodge Your Complaints Here by Babadeen(m): 5:58pm On Mar 11, 2013
deols: I assumed you'd be smart enough to realise that wanting to be ban simply summarises all your actions.

After warning u about using bin bag as a word to describe u know what, u went ahead to use it again. something was obvious from that. You either were testing my powers or really wanted the ban. So, I served both purposes and made it long enough to make a statement.

I assume you are aware that having multiple i.ds is against the rule. paris-love may have to go soon as well wink
What is it with muslim moderators and having some morbid , twisted humor in banning people?

Yes, you have outlined the reasoning for banning her. Why the smiley face at the end after warning that you might ban her again?
IslamRe: Blasphemy Riots And Arson In Pakistan; Over 100 Xtian Homes Burnt! by Babadeen(op): 5:54pm On Mar 11, 2013
vedaxcool: From thaba is very justified to ignore a hypcorite who mocks the death of christians in the hands of atheist Stalin and suddenly finds their death an avenue to engage in headless argument!
You might want to look up the definitions of these 3 words

-straw man
-red herring
-derailing.
IslamRe: How Did Islam Come To Nigeria? by Babadeen(m): 2:17pm On Mar 11, 2013
okunoba: "No compulsion in religion" but the holy prophet {pbuh} upon conquering mecca destroyed all the idols of the pagans. Actions speaks louder than words, there is compulsion in Islam. If no be by force he would have let the pagans do their thing, who is he to force his religious believe on others. He was complaining of being prosecuted but when he got power he did the same thing he was complaining about. So in a nutshell Islam was founded on hypocrisy and the use of force. Back to the topic, Islam was spread in west Africa through brutal force and trade.

I expect to be insulted and called names as that is the only way our muslim brothers on Nairaland know how to debate.
I expect worse- you might be banned.

That is how things go here.

No freedom of speech
IslamRe: Iranian Women Went Coverless In Protest Against Hijab And Sharia Law by Babadeen(m): 2:11pm On Mar 11, 2013
Paschal007: Lol why did u quote urself just to post a smile? Udo a di kwa?
# Swagg cool
IslamRe: Kill Anyone Who Backslides From Islam by Babadeen(m): 2:07pm On Mar 11, 2013
maclatunji: To whom, a Non-Muslim? Null and void ab initio.
huh

Abeg, just hold your peace if you have nothing
IslamRe: Hijab In The United States by Babadeen(m): 12:28pm On Mar 11, 2013
vedaxcool: [size=18pt]Well normal human beings accord religious people respect[/size], you have gotten an answer you simply want to banter a little more, I said obeying God is paramount, when one obeys God, the person earn God favour, like obeying your dad or mum, obedient people people tend to enjoy favour from those they obey, it is that simple, hijab is a component of a long lists of does and don't s! i can repeat your statement as follows:

Woman ( Mac won't be happy if I use the B word), believe me when I say I am not in disfavour with God when I do not observe the Sabbath, I don;t believe the more you observe the Sabbath the more you have an elevated stand with God, no, if it was by Sabbath alone, we won't have so much wickedness in the world.

keep inventing straws to argue with, no muslim have said merely observing the use of hijab is enough, Islam has a wide variety of laws, being kind to ones neighbour, prayers, kindness, honesty, obeying God draws one closer to God! this is plain and simple!
lol.....do you respect polytheists enganging in shirk despite it being their religion? Do you respect Wiccans that call themselves witches in their religion?

Normal people do not accord respect that is not earned. You dont earn respect by being religious.

This is how I know that a normal person shouldnt respect Vedaxcool's posts

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