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BetaThings: I think about my religion - how to know more, be better at the mandatory, interact better with family, muslims, friends, and society at large
But I have no regard for the thinking abilities of atheists. They have missed the basics. (Let us not waste time debating it - that decision is set in stone, although name-calling and abuses will be gladly received). So your wanting me to think about anything actually smacks of excessive indulgence in self adulation

fellis: What? Logicboy is Babadeen? From Abdulsleek to Saluman to Babadeen? How does he even come up with these names?
Lol. This Logicboy you be real madman

manmustwac: Your not serious I should have banned both of you for dersiling topic. I created this thread for you two in the date and meet up section so you can continue your babes gist https://www.nairaland.com/1217855/ooman-meets-striklyml

BetaThings: As you wish

Ihedinobi: Yeah, you'd like me to give up, wouldn't you? Sorry to disappoint you but Resurrection runs in my family. Our firstborn wouldn't even stay dead when he got killed.

Ihedinobi: ^^^ Omo, this ya fight wit Christ is gonna cost you all your marbles yet

You have/had/will never have any arguments of worth until you let the Light into your heart. And in our exchange earlier on this matter, you did absolutely zilch on building any kind of equality or replaceability between predestination and foreknowledge. All you did was insist and assert that omniscience cancels out free will, or in other words, that foreknowledge is the same as predestination.

Mazaje's own issue is actually quite simple, I simply had no taste for repeating Mr Anony's arguments which I completely buy into. If that offends your sensibilities, what can I say, I don't give a damn, buddy.

Oh, and you really need never introduce yourself. Your intelligence, or more accurately the lack of it, announces itself before you type.

bukatyne: You got this from my post?

Mac, We don't serve the same God so you have no idea what the right 'conceptual framework' of my God is.

Ihedinobi: @wiegraf, are you perhaps better equipped to explain how omniscience negates free will? I'm still failing to see it. I've heard that assertion so much that it's giving me headaches. Do you have some kind of clear, coherent argument to back it up?

Logicboy03: Thank you for being honest.

I like the analogy of a movie. However, you interpret it wrongly.

Your argument actually shows the absurdity of freewill and an omniscient God.


You say it is like watching a movie the second time, in which the viewer knows all the choices that the movie characters will make. The problem is that the movie characters arent making any choices. Their choices are an illusion. They are following a set script and a set path. There is no freewill in the movie for the characters.


Just as in real life. If god has seen our future and knows how/when we will die in the future, we are only following a set path. Our choices are an illusion because god know what we will do. There is no freewill

Kay 17: IF a man is faced with two paths A and B, by predestination or by God's foreknowledge the man takes A. Now what if he got to know of God's foreknowledge of the path A he was to take and deliberately decides to take B, rendering God's omniscience nugatory??

musKeeto: Funny, if the theists do this, we (well I would) call them mad and ask that they be locked up in the closest sanitarium for psychiatric evaluation.

Anyways, I'm more interested in the 'assumptions' Inesqor made reference to.

ooman: GOD CREATED THE HORRORS OF HELL, HE SHOULD FIND A WAY TO LET EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT HIM IN A WELL CONVINCING WAY RATHER THAN EXPECT US TO WORSHIP HIM ON BLIND FAITH

BetaThings: Thanks for your understanding. I am sorry that I did not further your agenda on this thread. Maybe on another thread, I will allow you to lead me by the nose

striktlymi: Atheism is not a new concept. It has been right from the time when men became gods in ancient Greece and yet the world has not turn Atheist in total.

The projection given is in my opinion baseless. I really would like to know what informed this controversial projection. Note that Atheism is older than Christiantity.

BetaThings: We are not united. I agree.
Thank you for giving up. Peace at last!

striktlymi: For your info I am no apologist!

striktlymi: If you know what communism is, you would realise that no country has attained that state before. Anyways let me focus on Atheists who seem to know what they are talking about.

striktlymi: You don't even know what communism is.

striktlymi: #Ignored!!!

ooman: You and i both know that war and violence are not constant. Atheists are pacifists, maybe the older generation got it wrong but the new generation will get it right.

We will not even need to persuade people anymore, so many are now realizing that religion leads no where and are becoming atheists. before long, everyone will willingly become atheists, even you.!!

striktlymi: I guess you haven't heard cause the term is really not common. See below:


State atheism is the official promotion of atheism by a government, sometimes combined with active suppression of religious freedom and practice. In contrast, a secular state purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion. State atheism may refer to a government's anti-clericalism, which opposes religious institutional power and influence in all aspects of public and political life, including the involvement of religion in the everyday life of the citizen.
State promotion of atheism as a public norm was first practiced during a brief period in Revolutionary France. Since then, such a policy was repeated only in Revolutionary Mexico and some communist states. The Soviet Union had a long history of state atheism, in which social success largely required individuals to profess atheism and stay away from houses of worship; this attitude was especially militant during the middle Stalinist era from 1929–1939. The Soviet Union attempted to suppress public religious expression over wide areas of its influence, including places such as central Asia.

Ref: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

BetaThings: The fundamentals unite us. For instance on wife-beating, there are at least two highly revered scholars who never got married. And since many bachelors/spinsters "teach" the subject of marriage on the net, I don't dabble into it because positions are often unrealistic

striktlymi: State Atheism!

striktlymi: Yes it does! He claimed that his conclusion can be attributed to "most" Atheists and religious. It is left for him to demonstrate how that comment holds true from his experience. Otherwise he would just be committing a very common fallacy.

striktlymi: How many Atheists or religious people do you know?

maclatunji: He who is down fears no fall.

BetaThings: Oh, I do joke and enjoy jokes. But there are some things I am not allowed to joke about.

BetaThings: Thanks. I have done so
But seriously, be true to yourself. You don't need these underhand tactics

deols: we can still be friends though.

babadeen over macdaddy anyday