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maclatunji: Well, there is no need to bother much with you. We Muslims know how we derive our laws. If you are unsatisfied, you can go drown it (dissatisfaction) with a glass of orange juice whilst we enjoy our religion.

lmao.....


Just shameful. Shameful.


Why would I be dissatisfied? I actually enjoy exposing your baseless claims on islam.


Conditions for treating apostates with no Quranic or Hadith backing. Epic fail

Lol anti-muslim and anti-Arab racism is a huge problem in Isreal.

Not surprised

LagosShia: "And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve; " (Holy Quran 18:29)

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects Taghut and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." [2:256]


"Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path."[4:137].

based on (4:137),if a person is to be killed for apostacy,then how can he believe again after he disbelieves?

Apostacy in Islam carries the death sentence,if the act borders on treason against the Islamic state.

I've discussed that previously here:
https://www.nairaland.com/773960/iran-pastor-sentenced-death-refusing

Gbam! Straight to the point.


Unfortuantely, you have no basis for that condition you put there. Apostates have been killed/punished many times without causing any trouble.

Salman Rushide......


As for the thread, Jesoul handed your Shia bottom to you

maclatunji: Read this as well http://islamnewsroom.com/if-someone-leaves-islam-hot-topics-45

Read two paragraghs and gave up. It didn tget to the point quick enough.


It is simple. You or your articles should quote proper sources for the basis for meeting conditions. I odnt want to hear from some islamic council ruling in 1985 or 1995. The Umah existed since the 8th century

maclatunji: No, the Qur'an itself provides the basis for Ijma and Qiyas. Read this first www.letmeturnthetables.com/2012/05/punishment-apostasy-islam-rationale.html?m=1

I just read your link. Before I comment on the link, wouldnt it have been better if you put the Quranic quote where the Ijma and Qiyas were goven explicit instructions to interpret and construct sharia law?


Going back to the link and apostasy, the link quotes some islamic council more than it does the Quran. There is no clear basis for the conditions that have to be met before killing an apostate.


Provide your sources. I qouted the Quran and put my point in the neccessary detail.

Tbaba would rather ignore this and then write threads about genocide against muslims that happened over ten years ago!

https://www.nairaland.com/1221369/srebrenica-massacre

maclatunji: Subhanallah! It is like as if we have the same thoughts. I was just thinking earlier that it would be great to create a thread on this sad event.

Seriously?

I am not here to belittle such a tragedy but in the larger picture why are we reminiscing about a tragedy that happened years ago while ignoring the fresh one that happened days ago?
https://www.nairaland.com/1220883/blasphemy-riots-arson-pakistan-over



Before someone tries to shut me up with a ban. I am saddened that these Bosnian muslims were killed and slaugtered mercilessly. I am horrified and sad at any tragedy.

However, it shrieks of dishonesty to create such a thread today while ignoring the issue at hand. Why is Tbaba silent on the balsphemy burning?

maclatunji: You know little about Islam. The Qur'an and hadith are not the only sources of Islamic law (Sharia). They are the primary sources.

So you are telling me that your complete religion doesnt have complete holy books to guide on the way of life?


You have to use secondary sources like Ijma and Qiyas?

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This is beside the point. Show me where it is written or decided that these conditions for treating apostates is recorded

confusion247: Another evidence to prove that Islam is a religion of peace.

Yes, a peaceful religion.

Honestly,

I would be glad if I can get one honset response from someone.

Quote the Quran/Hadith to defend your stance. If I opened the thread saying "Muslims are to kill apostates" without Quranic/Hadith backing, I would have been banned by the same Maclatunji. I expect better from Maclatunji and his fellows

maclatunji: The rule can only be implemented by an Islamic state not an individual and the conditions and procedure are quite tough such that it is very difficult to implement most times. As for quoting 'Mosaic law', it really isn't rocket science. All prophets starting from Adam (AS) were Muslims, there is congruence in their fundamental teachings that can always be referenced.

Smh.


What are these strict conditions because I didnt see them in the hadith or Quran.

If you are honest you would lay down where these conditions are written. Even Frosbel and the other christians will quote the bible to support their stance.

https://rt.com/files/news/1e/48/90/00/123.jpg



Over 100 homes owned by Pakistani Christians have been set ablaze by thousands of angry Muslims in the eastern city of Lahore. Police said the violence was prompted by derogatory remarks against Prophet Mohammed, allegedly by a Christian resident.

Around 3,000 Muslim protesters took part in multiple simultaneous arsons of Christian homes, that belonged to low to middle-class families from the minority community.

Police say 25 houses were burnt, but witnesses put the number at far more than one hundred.

"At least 160 houses, 18 shops and two small churches were burnt by protesters," the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP),Dr Ahmad Raza told AFP, as he was busy in rescue operations in the area.

Media reports, citing eyewitness accounts, claimed that protesters broke into the homes, looted them and burnt the remaining belongings outside.


http://rt.com/news/lahore-pakistan-blasphemy-ablaze-041/

^^^


Guilty conscience na bad thing oooo!

vedaxcool: Thaba really it is lack of shame that makes these people repeat the same issue over and over again, the same individuals surface on exactly the same issue, getting the same answer over and over again, what troubling is the way christains explain away the old testament with out fear that they explaining away God if not how would God make a law that suddenly becomes so bad? It is this same people that would say God does not need anybody to fight for him yet leviticus in the old testament he orders beheading those who blaspheme him, we are seeing a pattern here that is christians typically choose what they want to follow the same way they choose churches that pay the lowest tithe, there is a huge problem in christianity and Islam did not cause it, I have told tirabubu that the verse no compulsion in religion - a verse not found in any other religious book, both implies you cannot compel a person to remain a muslim neither can you compel others to become muslims, yet it does not sink quite in! As for babadeen he is another of logicboy username, knowing his attecedents it is usually a waste of time expecting any worthwhile discussion as his thread are quite lame and barely intelligeable what is more disturbing is the numerous use of multiple ids, I mean where does honesty start with this sort of character? As typical with christians a single muslims opinion on an issue is binding, which of course is not the case! I can believe tirabubu says the God that revealed the OT and sent Jesus is wrong in ordering the death of apostates, tirabubu what else is that god wrong in? Smh!

Another muslim who avoids the issue and then brings up christianity. It is like you can only point to the bible and say "they did it too". This is the sign of someone who feels guilty of some wrongdoing!


Tsk...tsk

smh


Keep on burying your head in the sand. When you are ready, pls explain the verse;

Babadeen: Sahih Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

deols: Is it that you dont understand what it is about? or just need a refreshment on the meaning.

I see in you an Umar in the making. Very strong in disbelief and truly strong on the deen..It shall happen In sha Allah.

Feel free to explain the verse so that you can strengthen my deen

uplawal: TBABA,YOU HIT THEM HARD,EVEN AS A FORMER CHRISTIAN HAVE NEVER COME ACROSS THAT VERSE.VERY BRUTAL

Supporter's club

Tbaba, you have embarrassed yourself here.

I am not a christian. I put up videos of your clerics supporting death for apostasy. Your hadith makes no exception for those who leave islam- they must be killed.

What did you do in reply? You put up verses from the bible to counter my point?




This is too funny.

uplawal: I don't think after the necesary steps Allah says,you now still need to separate from your wife,after not sharing bed,does the two not have the same meaning?And i don't think a really disobedient wife needs a miswak or a mild pat on cheek from an angry husband,its not real at all,After he has done the necessary things before the beating/strike.She needs a beating,some measures for some purpose.

Shooting yourself in the foot there eh?

Can any muslim here explain this verse;


Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnZviVTXoAA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GK-qKOHQmE

Maclatunji is not a sane person......

A crazy prison warder in an asylum...........

baby_123: For an atheist and a free thinker, you are trying too hard to convince others to be atheists. There is no difference between you and a christian fanatic. . As an atheist you should be a fierce supporter of "Live and Let Live"

So, debating on nairaland is now trying too hard? It is now the same as preaching from door to door or in the market?

fellis: This is all I said:

okay....okay....

fellis: He said he is leaving Nairaland and Seun should close his account and I suggested that he should take a break from Nairaland instead of leaving completely.

Wetin concern me concern him homosexuality?

Is that all you said? hmmm?

fellis: Ok. No wahala.
By the way I wasn't psychoanalyzing SimonAndal on that thread, was just giving advice that I thought would be helpful.

Knowing that you're a muslim? What possible advice could you give a gay atheist like him?

lol

fellis: Ok sorry. I'll stop now

Good because I aint SimonAndal.



I am actually happy at what I do....no worries, no probs.

fellis: You are on a mission. Fine.
You are also addicted to what you are doing. You've turned your addiction to a mission.

Stop psychoanalyzing me. You dont have the qualification nor the experience

oiseworld: oga, it really pisses me off when you pretend not to understand and still claim intelligent.so We should go over and over again abi? Detail for detail.

Christianity has not interested with science and will never. The more scientific discoveries are made, the more God reveils himself to us, the better we understand him, the more he appreciates it.

Name the teachings that existed before Christianity. Please and Christianity had never supported slavery.

lastly, where are u driving at with the word "secular" I need more explanation.

Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."

Romans 13:1-5
" 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience."

Titus 3:1,
"Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."

Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."

fellis: Sorry if it sounded like I was judging you.
I am actually very sympathetic about the addiction problems you are suffering from. Hope you overcome them soon.

Addiction? You do realise that I'm mostly on the religion section talking about philosophy/science? I spend more time there.

Do you know the difference between a mission and an addiction?

fellis: LWKMD

You really know how addictions are.
Withdrawing is very difficult for the sufferer, it feels as if they are going to die if they stop doing what they are addicted to doing.

You must really enjoy feeling better than others and judging them.