Yes well we have to develop some cure to see if that will help them. We don't want to give up on them as we believe some things can be cured with the correct antidote.

gallivant:


You lost half of the best land in Sudan already. It's called South Sudan.

If you havent read then you wouldnt know I'm a pan africa Somali. If garang was alive the whole thing would be united today.

The north is on thin ice.

EnlightenedSoul:


I actually think Pan-Africanism is some kind of sick joke.

Please enlighten my soul

macof:
why exactly do u hate urselves? It's obvious with this large Arab butt licking
Nt that many fooling Nigerians don't do same but Somalis seem so deep and probably lost in it

Macof if you want to see a change then be apart of the change. Are you willing to go to Somalia or wherever they may be and teach them about this because many Somalis simply do not know.

Arab butt licking has to stop as well as european butt licking which Nigeria can do extremely well.

Love Letters are a sorry waste of paper we need to unite Sudan like John Garang visualize. Don't we all love Sudan?

Then we all have to choose a dish then.

Maakhir:



This is the perfect link to it, let them read, it gets everything done faster

http://historum.com/middle-eastern-african-history/58529-worlds-most-badass-country.html

I'm saving this right now good link.

macof:


Education...sometimes to educate you Somalis on what you have forgotten about ur ancestral heritage

Teach then I want to know why you feel this is important. Somalia is 2500 miles from Nigeria so I want you to make us hear the point!

JiggamanGh:


Yet young Somalis in America are imitating african American culture.

We are merely exchanging a few ideas, we teach them a few things also. We teach them about our mogadishu the land of the warriors.

Just throw that idea right on in the mediterranean

We are never going to give you Sudan so if you think that throw the idea far from the window.

Arabized africans they have to choose a dish as well.

Rafikizolo:


You make a good point, but the United States of America's ruling class has always been white anglo-saxons who forged their own identity in North America. If Africa were to become a country tomorrow (conflicts aside) there would be no ruling class. What culture would predominate in this new nation? "Nigerians" would be about 1 out of every 4 people in that new nation. Would that automatically mean that Nigerian/broader West African culture would be adopted by everyone else? I know many people in sub-saharan states would riot, so I would hate to imagine the north.

What do you mean ruling class the ruling class are us africans who else will rule

It doesn't matter if Nigeria are 1 out 4 or 3 out of 4 the fact is the that entity known as Nigeria has not through its people culture ideas been able to propel africa into a global power.

It was not even designed for that purpose.

No african 'nation' can claim to be so great today, so you see then why would any one be in a rush to adopt any other culture. No culture on the continent has exhibited so much superiority today, it would be a fools game for any single culture to be largely adopted solely based from numbers alone.

Pan africans take the best ingredients and make dishes from them. These new dishes become the preferred dish of those who taste them, their appetite for the old dish with subpar ingredients becomes distasteful. It is amalgamation rather than domination that makes the dish so tasteful.

As for the north I assume they will want to keep eating the same dish but when the bigger kitchen comes to town the dishes will change. At that point they will have to decide if they want to eat the dish or find some safer kitchen back east.

KidStranglehold:
I don't want to become the Osama Bin Laden of this thread, but throughout African history there has never been a pan-African unity just as there has never been an Asian pan unity or European for that matter. The closest thing Africa has ever came to a pan unity was the Songhai Empire which united many different ethnicity's of West and North Africa. But other than that Africa has always been too diverse for one.

In my opinion I think a Pan-Africa can only work business wise and militarily wise in what Nigeria is doing right now with other West African nations. A cultural and spiritual is too complex to happen. A pan unity where Africa is together united into a single government... Yeah you throw that idea right out the window.

The only thing we're getting right now is African countries forming unions with countries in their specific region. Nigeria is hoping to do that with West Africa right now.

If you have not been aware Osama bin laden was killed and thrown to sharks why would you want to be him? There is one old somali proverb 'if the first thing you say from the tongue is false then how can we expect to believe the rest'

How can I expect that a man wants to be killed and thrown to the sharks, unless he is pulling my leg with a lie?

Old egypt was the first civilization a pan african civilization its children stretch from senegal to south africa. The room for debate I am afraid has passed on many years back.

The last time I checked an asian is an asian and an european is an european. Why why why are we concerned with another peoples unity? Did these people build the pyramids? Why must one people concern themselves with a different people when addressing solutions for themselves? This is a mad men philosophy. The european has robbed kidnapped and murdered his way to the top the european has even made his very own continent, again bad bad bad we shouldnt do it.

If old egypt had thought like this then no one would ever attempted to build the pyramids, there would be no bibles or qurans because old egypt would have never attempted to make the paper.

We can't throw anything out the window just yet we have to weigh the pros and cons of such idea. Before menes rode into town the peoples didn't think it was possible to be having the sense slapped into them.

As the story goes we know how that turned out.

Rafikizolo:


We should be discussing how to work towards fostering African unity on this forum. Not in the weird afro-centric sense of combining different African cultures into one identity, but rather to respect each others cultures and nations.

Weird in the same sense as eurocentrics combining different african cultures into made up boundaries?

The problem is no one looks at african nations as a 'nations' except for africans themselves. These nations are treated as little more than a free for all. The power you have is minimum you are not free to seek a destiny of your own you can easily be exterminated and nothing could stop it.

Culture is the manifestation of a society's deposit of knowledge that is how we should determine if a culture can be a very worthwhile one.

Maybe, one that can be worthwhile but needs a little tune up to keep it competitive ?

Egypt brought some much needed civilities to human kind all peoples ascent into civilization are thanks to these very diverse group of africans who put many of the best aspects of different african cultures into one. OF course it didn't come easy you had some africans that wanted to eat fufu all day and night, Menes had to slap some sense into those kind of africans.

Further just think about the usa how do you believe usa left the world behind in its dust after world war two, I will tell you they snatched up every italian, german scientist they could find and made them americans. Those scientist that wanted to keep their special german or italian culture were exterminated. Its too bad that their beloved culture could not save them from that, you see it has less to do with respect and more to do with sociocultural evolution.

It is a simple decision to survive and prosper or to not

If you aren't Somali why do you post these things

Supper:


Funny you bring that up, because according the the most recent Survey of Business Owners census, African-American owned businesses have seen a larger increase in America than any other group- Triple the National rate.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/business_ownership/cb11-24.html

So, it's not perfect. But, there's noticeable improvement. Would you say the same for Somalis?

Somalis we have so much work ahead of us and 'axum' dont bother with him I think his family must have dropped him as a baby.

1. First we are becoming stable as a nation and eradicating extremist like Al Shabaab.
2. This generation is even more educated and will look to Somalia again as home while bringing back much needed expertise.
3. We are apart of the new African American community in Minnesota with both exchanging cultural ideas.

The future is bright for our Somalia I think 20 - 50 years later they wont realize what has happened due to crazy development.

axum:



Barwaaaqo isn't even Somali, she/he pretends but slips up every other post.

You have tested my Somali once and have been proved wrong again you should have your head examined.

Supper:


Really, my intentions were never to come off with bias holier than thou rhetoric. If I wanted to do that I could've just juxtaposed all of the very best accomplishments and pockets of the apex of African-American society with the very worst of the worst of the Somali people, in order to paint a bias picture. But, I didn't, instead I was talking about a specific phenomenon that *some * somalis would like to deny exist, and didn't mention the positives or vices in the my people's community at all.



Well, I like you believe that the condition and behaviors exhibited by segments within the AA community largely come down to socio-economic conditioning and dependency on accommodations that tether us to positions of weakness in a social sense ie lack of clout, organic ascension, and vertical integration of skills, knowledge, & money within the community. From these core issues come a communal sense of insecurity, frustration, and poor-emotional intelligence which leads to the various behaviors among certain AAs that you're probably referring.

I see in the future more AAs coming to recognize these issues and take the proper steps to reverse them, but we didn't get in this position over night and we damn sure wont get out of it over night.

Thats interesting as a rich people with so many accomplishments you have to ask why again is the community in shambles?

There is a report it reveals African Americans own 1 percent of total wealth in America but themselves are 14 percent? In 1860, 99% of all African America worked for whites, today, 98% of all Africa Americans work for whites.

There seems to be a big social illusion in that community and no institutions being built to reverse the changes needed. If you guys go to church more that will not help, if you go to the local black college you will end up at McDonalds, if you go to your local Al Sharpton you get another empty promise, if work for whites they will keep all the rights, if you march the street they shoot you and get away with it.

Accomplishments should better the community first what good are they for otherwise?

These issues have not come overnight so when is the moment How long

ApolloFist:
We have a 21 year old rewriting the energy studies curriculum at Harvard University because of a fuel he developed and since there is no course that teaches the kind of energy study he's doing.

Great valid post.

Who is the 21 year old more information about his studies will be appreciated.

Supper:


Such is the case with many cultures that display combinations of traits that include isolationism and conservatism- Have you seen what happens when to women in pakistani, arab(especially khaleejis), kurdish and afghan communities when they date people outside of their cultures or that their families don't approve of?.........*shivers* Can you say "honor killing". Not saying there's anything wrong with endogamy- different strokes for different folks. I would just hope that since by our own admission, the men of your community dabble with date outside the culture, that you don't go all Mujahideen on us if you catch one of your women folk with an AA.

Supper you are some what correct in that many times fear can play a huge part in more Somali women not openly dating outside. I say openly because a Somali women is a smart one and she has her wits and ways surely.

Supper:


You mean sex grooming and raping underage African-American teenage girls, right?

Since you jumped to a conclusion, do mind if I do the same?

You come off as if Africa America culture is perfect please tell me why there are so many problems in your community?

What can you see for your community in may be 25 or 50 years later?

Supper:


If it's not a relationship based on abuse or exploitation, especially of underage girls, then our community is generally indifferent. We understand that women usually don't settle and go where they want to be. That's what the crux of male competition and survival of the fittest is all about- Best man gets the catch. As long as you guys don't trip out when reciprocity comes your way.

Generally us Somalis will date our own and no the relationship I speak about is between young people who actually date each other. These are not your p.imp masters as shown in the article.

Reciprocity thats a funny thing to mention! There are couples actually for both sides its just that more Somali men seem to date more of the girls here.

Supper:


You mean sex grooming and raping underage African-American teenage girls, right?


"The indictment details several instances in which young Somali or African American girls were taken from place to place and forced to engage in sex acts with multiple people. One girl was under 13 when she was first prostituted. Another girl was 18 when she was raped by multiple men in a hotel room, the indictment said."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/08/apnewsbreak-somali-gangs-ran-sex-ring-states/

^^^^The largest human trafficking case in US history.

Funny thing is they just got busted a couple of months ago in the UK for doing the same thing. Apparently it's apart of their culture, according to them. *shrugs*

Somali sex gang groomed and raped underage British schoolgirls saying it was 'part of their culture'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/somali-sex-gang-groomed-raped-4706033

Thats not what I mean these are mainly young law abiding Somali men who chase after African America girls obviously which is a favorite past time for them.

As for the article when cultures are faced with joblessness poverty these things will happen its not a representative of Somali culture at the least. The African America culture is not a perfect example themselves.

Instead of silly things we know can happen when poverty strikes we should continue to grow the understanding with each culture.

axum:



The fact that Somalis and Bantus dont get along anywhere is something you hide, but will gladly promote One Somali community leaders who is simply asking for Bantus and Somalis not to fight. Your so desperate.

Again how much are you going outside our young Somali men are dating up Africa American school girls and you dont think we are seeing that? Ok.

This generation is even more educated and that trend will continue the days of tarnishing our good name are becoming limited.

Hussein Samatar first Somali to hold public office in minnesota

At his victory party last night, he reached out to any African-Americans who don't consider him one of their own, saying his election wouldn't be possible without the civil-rights struggle.

I wouldn't be here if it weren't for the people who came before us, Samatar said. "We are part of the new African-American community in the state of Minnesota.

Samatar says he prefers to be known as an African-American rather than as a Somali-American, which he finds too limiting.

Last time I checked, Somalia is still in Africa," he said an in interview. "And I am an American. Therefore, I am more African-American than anyone else.

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/11/03/hussein-samatar-first-somali-american-to-hold-public-office-in-minnesota

Thank God everyone was ok.

This is so untrue you cant expect any woman to fall for a man only because of his finances.

On behalf of us younger Somalis excuse this i.diot some of us need to have our mouths washed good.

Again dont include yourself with our good name. If you want to fight Mogadishu has not went anywhere

axum:



Again exposing the fact your not Somali. Elder? Your Bantu trash, slavery needs to come back and then you can rejoice when your property to a Somali, maybe then you will get the joy of being near a Somali.

Somali Elders Council of Central Minnesota

Your trash is embarrassing us.

You have become a failure when you do not adhere to the chain of order. Even more you have no respect for an elder like Bihi. Trash is what they call you.

Who can even take you serious when you close your stupid ears to a community leader like Bihi

If you knew what royal Saudi family thought of us then you wouldn't continue to embarrass us they deport us every day i.diot.