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PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:52am On Jun 17, 2011
alj_harem:
we can call them igala(northerners)

but u feel comfortable to claim igala or idoma and still they dont want to be claimed

i as a kanuri man have been on this site since but u have not claim me as if u have not seen me all this days

why na angry
me claim them?? for what? they can be whatever they want to be
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:37am On Jun 17, 2011
alj_harem:
another one again, well let me make up your night wink

from an igala website




Igala is the language spoken by the people located within the triangle formed by the confluence of the rivers Niger and Benue in Kogi State of Nigeria. 'The Igala people are found east of the confluence of these rivers. The land is bounded on the west by River Niger, on the east by Enugu State, the south by Anambra State, on the north Benue/Nassarawa States. It is 120 kilometers wide and 160 kilometers long. It is located approximately between latitudes 6°30' and 8° north and longitudes 6°30' and 7°40' East and covers an area of about 13,665 square kilometers. The population of the Igala people is estimated at two million in the late 1990s.
The people are evenly distributed all over the land but with ldah, Anyigba and Ankpa more densely populated. The Igala are also sparsely found in Edo, Delta, Anambra and Enugu States. But the huge bulk of the people are in Idah, Ankpa, Dekina, Oma1a, Olamaboro, Ofu, Iga1amela/Odolu, lbaji, Bassa (and even Lokoja and Ajaokuta) Local Government Areas of Kogi State. The boundary of the land was by far larger than it is in our time. The traditional limits of the 1and included: 'The greater part of ldomaland, Nsukka area, Kogi, Anambra area (North of Onitsba), The Atta of Igala formerly exercised suzerainty over them.  The Igala are unmistakably the major language group in Kogi State of Nigeria today. .
Igalaland could be said to be a sort of terminus.  It is located strategically at the natural cross-roads in Nigeria.  Owing to this reason, it has been influenced both positively and negatively by trends of events as it is pulled in different directions. By and large, it has enjoyed some degree of encounter with the Yoruba, Edo (Benin), Jukun, Idoma, Nupe, Igbo, Hausa, Igbirra, Bassa-kwomo and Bassa-nge. This experience naturally left certain imprints on the tradition or culture of the Igala people. To some extent, its central positioning may account for the land being considered a cultural melting pot. Yet, it might not be quite true to conclude that Igala is totally a conglomeration of other ethnic groups.  Igala existed as an entity on its own before the other cultures were assimilated into its mainstream

Vegetation, cultural endowment and communications:
           The Igalas have an unusually and richly endowed environment. They are within the "middle-belt" of Nigeria which has an advantage of the climate of the drier Savannah vegetation to the north and the wet forest regions to the south.
           The area lies within the warm humid climatic zone of Nigeria. There is a distinctive wet-dry season dichotomy. The wet season lasts from about April to the end of September or early October while the dry season lasts from about October to about the end of March or early April. Rainfall can be heavy and the effects of the harmattan can be severe, especially from about November.                
                       The area has an average rain fall of about 50” a year.  The lowland riverine areas are flooded seasonally, making it possible for the growing of paddy rice and controlled fish farming in ponds that are owned on individual or clan basis.  The lbaji area is the major place awashed by flood. This makes the area very fertile soil more than other place in the land: "The receding floods leave behind a large quantity of fish in ponds and lakes. This facts, plays an important role in the economic and social lives of the people,"
Simply put, the vegetation is mainly deciduous, with the major rivers (Benue and Niger), a few minor ones such as Okula, Ofu, Imabolo, Ubele, Adale, Ogbagana, and many streams in the land.  Hence, is Igalaland popularly known as a blessed fishing and arable region.

           The most common economic trees are palm trees (ekpe), locust beans (okpehie). mahogany (ago), iroko (uloko), whitewood (uwewe) and raffia palms (ugala). Common plantations are of okra (oro, -aikpele), cashew (agala), banana (ogede). Some of the economic trees mentioned here provide timber for the people and for sale. In the forest regions were also found certain wild animals, such lions (idu), hyenas (olinya), leopards (omolalna or eje), elephants (adagba), bush-pigs (ehi), chimpanzee (ukabu). etc.
This favorable vegetation makes farming and hunting highly profitable. Thus. 90% of the population. practice farming.  Both forest and savannah crops thrive on Igala soil very well. Thus, the main forest crops produced are: yams, cassava, maize, melon and groundnut.  And they produce such savannah cereals as guinea corn. beans. millet and benniseed.  However, due to the shifting cultivation being practiced, bush burning and felling of trees, a good proportion of the forest is being gradually destroyed and wild animals are fast becoming extinct.
           Igalaland is blessed with rich natural resources.  In the south are swamps where crude oil was prospected some years ago. It is generally believed that oil was discovered at Alade and Odolu. IS The Okabba (Adagio) coalmine is close to Ankpa in the north.  The country has benefitted from the coalmine since 1967.
There are many roads in the area. The main ones are Anyigba-ldah, Anyigba-Ankpa, Anyigba-Shintaku. Those of Anyigba-Ajaokuta, Ankpa-Otukpo, Otukpa, Ankpa-Ogobia. Idah· Nsukka and Ejule-Otukpa link the land with neighboring states. Good waterways are possible between Idah-Agenebode-Onitsha and the Shintaku-Lokoja axis of River Niger. These waterways have served as veritable means of transport in the recent past. It encouraged social and economic interactions.
Today, Igala land does not possess any airport. However, air travelers make use of Ajaokuta Steel Company's airstrip. The Itobe-Ajaokuta Bridge constructed about two decades ago on the River Niger has also turned out to be of tremendous benefit as it has enhanced intra and inter-state links and commercial transactions.

The Rulership
           The "Atta" is the traditional paramount king of the Igala kingdom. "Atta", as the name implies is the father or custodian of the entire Igala people's culture.  Tradition holds that "The Atta of Igala
(the king) was a priest-king.  He was incharge of the major Igala sacred objects, shrines and festivals.  His provincial chiefs (Am 'Onu) were also incharge of the various shrines, sacred objects and festivals in their own areas ·of authority.  The Atta and his chiefs (Am 'Onu) therefore, play very active roles in the traditional religion.
Idah, the cultural centre or headquarter of the Kingdom is where the Attah resides. From there he cares for the entire kingdom.  He also delegates certain powers to other chiefs, as it is also their responsibility in some cases to exercise power of adjudication in matters of dispute among their immediate subjects.  Attaship is hereditary and it is ascended to by those who belong to the royal lineage. It is by a rotating system of succession in which three other lineages hold the royal office in turn before the cycle is complete and a son succeeds his father.

The Social-Cultural Life
           Dialectical differences are noticeable, yet the people are not divided.  According to Okwoli, ''the Idah dialect, central dialect, the Dekina dialect 'With Bassa-Igbirra influence, the Ankpa dialect with Idoma influence and trans-Niger Anambra dialect (in Odolu and Ibaji) with Ibo influence".  With the coming of British colonial masters and missionaries, English Language has spread to every nook and cranny of the land, even if it were at some level pidgin English. The villages in the land are a conglomeration of houses whose first settlers founded as a result of good farmland, rich fishponds, favorable hunting expeditions.  In these villages, settlements are sometimes lineal.  But in most eases people live according to clans thereby giving way to the circular style. In certain cases, land disputes, incessant illness, death of children. war, epidemics, natural disasters, marriage, ostracization or barnishment could occasion relocation. The buildings were traditionally mud walls with thatched roofs (unyi~egbe) but owing to developments, such locally constructed houses have given way to solid cement walls, rectangular in shape with corrugated roofing sheets to match.
The major commercial nerve centers in Iga1aland are Anyigba, Idah, Ankpa, Ejule, Ajaka and Afo-gamgam.  Idah, Anyigba and Ankpa also form the nodal centers or focal points in the land. As It were, Idah remains till today the traditional seat of culture of the Igala people. Yet Anyigba is considered as a cultural meeting point. owing to the centrality of its location.  Anyigba has also remained the venue for the "Italo" 7 which was introduced by the colonial administrators in about A.D 1942.

The Origin and Development
The actual origin of the Igala people is not quite known. Different people present many versions of legends of immigration There are claims, for instance, that the Igala people came from the Jukun (Kwarara/a), some says Benin, others Yoruba. Yet, others feel they migrated from Mecca (Southern Yemen) or Mali.
In the past, the reigning Atta, His Royal Majesty. Agabaidu (Dr.) Aliyu O. Obaje, had. for instance, explained: "the !gala came from Southern Yemen, passed through Ethiopia (where there is an ethnic group called the Gala) and through the (medieval times} Empire of Mali, to Jukun land; then finally, to our present location."  In another instance, the Atta said that the Igala "came from the Arab country of Yemen and were in the present Nigeria at the same time as the founding fathers of the Yorubas, the Jukuns and the Beriberis or Kanuris Bornu.  He also maintains that the earlier migration into Igalaland was at "about the 12th century A.D, led by Amina, a Zaria princess and warrior. who fought her way to Idah , with Hausa and Nupe followers.
           Certain traditions even hold that the Igala are of Fulani origin, simply because of the similarities in their physical features.  It IS clear that Fulanis do not speak a Kwa language. And owing to the linguistic affinity, others affirm the Yoruba connections. For Byng Halt notes that, "It is not surprising that within a short period of arrival in Igala land, a Yoruba is well acquainted with the language.”  He attributes the ease in learning the language to the closeness of the two languages. Armstrong sticks to this same view when he said: "the most definite historical statement that can be made about Igala is that . they had a common origin with the Yoruba and that the separation took place long enough ago to allow for their fairly considerable linguistic differences. There is a whole corpus of oral traditions on the origin of the Igala people.
           While this study did not engage .in any detailed criticism of the diverse opinions on the Igala origins. it gave a thorough look: at certain .inescapable facts, These intricate issues were pin-pointed in order to allow us take a solid stand.
           The view that Princess Amina of Zaria led the very first migration into Igalaland in the 12th century does not hold water. This is because Queen Amina was a 14th C figure and history has it that the Igala people were already settled in this area and were relating socio-culturally with the Igbos right from the ,7th and  9th century A.D. Moreover, the obvious absence of a legend relating to this princess and warrior .in Igalaland is a clear indication that it might not be true afterall that she actually reached Igala land.  Stories on Igala Benin war and Igala-Jukun war, for instance. are very popular. The near dead silence on an Amina war leaves room for great doubts. Niven argues against the presupposition that she died at 'Atagara' (that is ldah) when he said: "she died at Atagara, probably a place iii the Gongola valley then under Kwararafa, not Idah. which is now known as Atagara.'
The linking of the Igala with Yemen In Arabia is another highly speculative opinion. This story was probably a device of the Muslims to Islamise Igala people. The people of Igala had long settled before the Galas entered Ethiopia. because tradition has it that it was only in the century A.D, that the Gala migration to Ethiopia took place. In addition, it is quite improbable that the Semite Galas would metamorphose into Negroes of the contemporary Igalaland overnight.  The similarity in name is thereby merely coincidental.
The Mali connection remains baseless too because the similarities between the words "Mela" (nine of them) of Igala-Mela (the nine Igala kingmakers) is in no way attributable to “9” as originating from Mali. To the Igala mind, "nine" simply symbolizes perfectness.
Likewise, the supposition that the Igalas came out of the Fulanis, carries no weight, since "no tradition in Igala supports it.  History attests to the fact that the Fulanis were still in the region of Senegal by the time the Igala were already having a "centralized state system , in the 12" century.
           That the Igala have a traditional link with the Benin kingdom is indubitable. There abound theories for instance, that support a Benin origin of Igala kingship.  However, there was already in existence indigenous Igala people with their kingship systems before the arrival of the Benin kings. But it must be understood that at some stage of Igala history, the Benin people wielded some power of influence over them. The difference in their system of government alone is enough reason to prove that it is never true to say the entire Igala originated from Benin.
           The tradition, which holds that the Igala has the same origin with the Yoruba seem to be a plausible one. This humble submission is based on the fact that the Igala language has a lot in common with the Yoruba. Okwoli supports this view when he said: "When people speak the same language. or related languages, there is every reason to believe that they have common origin or have met somewhere.
The Jukun link with the Igala is another very strong tradition that immediately calls for serious attention. Stories about the Jukun origin of Igala kingship, for instance, cannot be waved aside. That there were certain Jukun immigrants who came among the Igalas at some stage of the development of the Igala kingdom is quite evident It is even a common knowledge that the present ruling dynasty is Jukun.
Ultimately, therefore, there is no single account of the origin of the Iga1a people, which is unassailable However, one may agree with Boston that the different tradition "probably correspond to different phases of history in which the Yoruba link may be the most ancient, followed by the Benin connection, and most recently. some form of Jukun suzerainty'.  In order not to continue swimming in this shark-infested waters of legends and traditions, we concluded that the Igala kingdom originated from within their immediate vicinity, namely. West Africa. As a matter of fact, before the advent of the colonial masters, about seven very prominent black. kingdoms were noticeable in the forest belt, thus, Ashanti, Dahomey. ]fe,  Oyo, Bini, Igala and Jukun(Apa) kingdoms.

The Atta's scope of influence
With Atta Ayegba Om'Idoko, the kingdom was zoned in the 17th cetltury A.D. into smaller units in order to decentralize authority. Then in 1905 the British created the districts. These districts comprised Ankpa, Dekina, Egwume., Ejema, Imane. Iga, Ika, Ogwugwu, Ojokwu. Atabaka (Okpo), Biraidu (Abocho), Ife (Abejukolo). Odu, Iyale, Emekwutu, Okenyi, Ojokiti, As these districts were formed and "trustworthy relatives and followers" were sent to rule, these were given the 'traditional titles of "Onu" (the principal person or chief).
               Some Igala tradition holds that an Atta gave the Nupes a Kingdom, He bestowed the rule of Nupe country to Edegi (Tsoede), one of the sons he had from a Nupe mother. He gave riches of various types to him and gave him different insignia of kingship: a bronze Canoe, twelve Nupe slaves. the bronze Okakachi (Trumpet) which are still being used by Northern Nigerian ~.state drums hung with brass belts and heavy iron chains and fetters which were endowed with strong magic power …, Tsoede or Edegi then became the ruler of the Nupe people and took the title of Etsu (King) and the Nupe kingdom became an ally to Igala,.

(Curled from the book written by Rev. Fr. Fidelis Egbunu which discusses Christians taking chieftaincy titles in Igala land)

http://igalaassociationusa.org/ViewContent.aspx?id=13
so what should we call them


alj_harem:
i perfer oranges as well

we kanuris have alot in common with the igbos
shut up we igbos dont chew grass angry angry angry
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:28am On Jun 17, 2011
Jbenue:
@bashr4
Go suck on a lemon
i prefer oranges
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:21am On Jun 17, 2011
Jbenue:
see what i mean the 3 headed monster. your leaders are tired of stealing from you so u wan come steal from ushuh MIDDLE BELT WILL SURVIVE and one day we will take of dat belt off and bash una head with am grin grin grin grin grin
[s]MIDDLE BELT WILL SURVIVE and one day we will take of dat belt off and bash una head with am grin grin grin [/s]grin grin

you mean northern almajiro region shocked shocked shocked there no middle belt in nigerian political map
PoliticsRe: Okonjo-iweala Accepts To Serve In Jonathan’s Government by bashr4: 3:19am On Jun 17, 2011
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo pls dont come sahara reporters and the SW media will rubish your career pls remain where you are ,look what they did to dora.
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:16am On Jun 17, 2011
Jbenue:
Oh reli u must be Idoma den grin grin grin grin grin
Aba yole!!!!!!
mba abughim oye aba
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:13am On Jun 17, 2011
alj_harem:
they do not carry igbo names but igbos carry there names
i always feel like strangling you. angry angry angry angry angry angry
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:11am On Jun 17, 2011
Jbenue:
Oh reli u must be Idoma den grin grin grin grin grin
Aba yole!!!!!!
you and who be idoma?? abeg no dey speak french to me , i a true descendant of eri  cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Chyz*:
Idomas are Idomas. Some do carry Igbo names though and we share cultural ties/relations but Idomas are not Igbo,period. Btw, a non-Igbo/Idoma would think that Alechenu is an Igbo name.
nobody said they were igbo at all through out this thread , we are only trying to determin their relationship with the southern groups to see if we southerners wil expand our expansionism project to the middle belt. grin grin grin grin

infact the yorubas have already claimed the igalas imagine so we igbos need to move fast and at least claim the idoma people before the  south west strikes again angry angry angry
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:07am On Jun 17, 2011
alj_harem:
tell bashr to proved his first
link of what ? i provided the link for the enugu story of igala people and their Mr ogidi , i also told u to use faceboo profile search to confirm the names idibia, attah,ogidi and even alechenu
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:04am On Jun 17, 2011
Jbenue:
Oh[b] Alechenu [/b] but its not his last name, Mark is, do any of the two sound igbohuhhuh
lol thats my last name , i dey laugh in igbooooo
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 3:03am On Jun 17, 2011
Jbenue:
Next thing you will say is Idoma Igala share cultural ties with europeans because Mark is a european name. Heck that sound more plausible, most african words in the Niger-Congo lingua family sound the same. Ill give example whats the igbo name for RICE. in idoma it is ochikapa, in hausa its chinkapha and ill say its similar in igbo no?? so stop all this idoma is decended from igbo or slave to hausa.
ok what do you want to be called so we can put our igbo propaganda machine to action cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 2:52am On Jun 17, 2011
alj_harem:
brother why the insult na wink

brother look, there is no one using any one here

idoma have beeing produing the senate president since 2007 (the number 3 position) so how can they be used undecided

@bolded

igala and okun share the same market days

an igbo is a commisoner in lagos and kano

are we using the igbos tooo
angry angry angry
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 2:47am On Jun 17, 2011
Jbenue:
My main point is Minority tribes should be respected in their own right and on their own merits not as extensions of H.I.Y. last time i checked there were over 250 tribes in the country, but due to inflation of the BIG 3 and their selfish interest the country has been left to rot. The time we respect all nationalities regardless of percieved size is the time naija can move forward otherwise forget about it.
thats not true , your point is that your called northerners and we are trying to point out to you that you made yourselves northerners so stop blaming the big three, its up to your elders to choose where you want to belong and so far it seems they have unconditional love for the north
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 2:45am On Jun 17, 2011
i meant an igala man won a constituency elction in enugu his name is Mr Ogidi does that also not sound igbo to you? if i didnt tell you hi is igala would you have known?


SOME angry youths in the Igala-speaking Ette community of Igbo-Eze North local government area of Enugu State, yesterday, took to the streets to protest the victory of the Peoples Democratic Party candidate for Igbo-Eze North II constituency in the State House of Assembly election, Mr. Tony Ogidi.
Some people were wounded in the attack, while two persons were reportedly arrested by soldiers who rushed from Enugu Ezike to quell the riot.
Reports from the community said the youths, who were armed with dangerous weapons, chanting war songs, marched to the house of the Legislator-elect in the early hours of yesterday and vandalized the house after ransacking the building in the absence of the lawmaker.
His car was reportedly set ablaze by the youths who also went to his petrol station in the town and smashed the glasses of the building, just as they attacked the residence of some government officials, including that of the councillor representing the community.
Sources said the youths were angered by the participation of Ogidi in the State Assembly election after their leaders had continually protested their inclusion in Enugu State and were agitating to be returned to Kogi State where they rightly belong.
Ette people had been clamouring to join their kit and kin in Kogi State for sometime now, but during the voters registration last year, youths in the community prevented INEC officials from registering them as voters in Enugu State.
This reportedly led to the registration of only about 200 voters in the highly populated community as the natives demanded to be registered as voters in Kogi State.
The request was, however, turned down as the INEC officials deployed for the exercise in communities along the Kogi-Enugu boundary declined.
It was further learnt that the natives were warned not to participate in Enugu State elections but the lawmaker-elect ignored the directive and went ahead to contest the House of Assembly poll which he won convincingly on Tuesday.
His alleged disobedience sparked off yesterday’s protest which seriously threatened the peace of the community and forced some natives to run to neighbouring villages for safety.
Speaking on the protest, the Chairman of Igbo-Eze North local government area, Chijioke Ugwu said some misguided youths in the community were responsible for the incident which had been brought under control by security men.
“The youths used stones to destroy the glasses of the Honourable member’s house and that of the councillor representing the area.
“They also went to the lawmaker’s Petrol Station and damaged the glasses. Immediately I got the information I alerted the military men who rushed to the place and brought the situation under control,” the council chairman said.
When contacted, the State Police Public Relations Officer, Mr. Ebere Amaraizu, confirmed the report but stated that it was not a post-election violence.
He said that a car was set ablaze in the incident, promising that the protest would be investigated.
Comments are moderated. Please keep them clean and brief.

 http://www.ghanamma.com/2011/04/29/protest-rocks-enugu-community-over-state-assembly-poll/

am tired of arguing with teenagers on nairaland.
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 2:40am On Jun 17, 2011
ezeagu:
Ah-ah! He's saying he has not ties with southerners. If you aren't southerner what are you then? He's a northerner now.
then why is he complaining , infact i dont understand his mission.
alj_harem:
grin grin grin

there are more cultural ties with the fulani than southerners

i think the ngwas(which are not igbos) have more in common with igbos than idoma

what do u think
dumb fellow , we are talkin of idoma and igala they have nothin in common with fulani western igala even bear yoruba names , idoma have the same 4 market days with the igbos an idoma man won a constituency election in enugu state. too bad they allowed themselves to be used as puppet for the hausas and fulanis
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 2:27am On Jun 17, 2011
Jbenue:
In my life I have never come across an idoma man with an igbo name, this is what i hate about the 3 headed monster always tryin to possess everything, ohhhhh we are igbo slaves, no we are hausas wannabees, my gracious you guys are the cancer of africa. Everything that is wrong with nigeria at the moment is due to the 3 headed monster igbo man, hausa man and yoruba man. Pathetic bunch.
well names like attah are popular in southeast, kogi , benue and cross rivers. even idibia is popular among igbos ,idoma and even igala , if you think am lying use facebook profile search to research it, we are not trying to posses you am only trying to point out your social and cultural ties with the southerners.
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 1:05am On Jun 17, 2011
alj jarem your just a pathetic fellow posting crap from a wanna be writer.
who dash monkey banana
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 9:58pm On Jun 16, 2011
The funny thing is dat some idoma and igala people I have met bear igbo names(am not sayin they are igbo but they have close ancient ties with the igbo to the east,edo and yoruba to the west) yet their leaders choose to identify with the north, abeg close the thread its not worth discussing
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 9:55pm On Jun 16, 2011
The only thing left for the hausa/fulani is to convert at least half of you to muslims like they have done in kogi and plateau. I dey laugh ooo
PoliticsRe: For The Last And Final Time: Benue Is Not North by bashr4: 9:46pm On Jun 16, 2011
Politically your part of northern nigeria (north central)
PoliticsRe: Enugu Brt To Be Run By Nigeria Made Buses! by bashr4: 12:43am On Jun 16, 2011
there are also local car parts manufacturers in nnewi thats why they always give you an option of foreign or locally made when you go to purchase spare parts there.
PoliticsRe: Enugu Brt To Be Run By Nigeria Made Buses! by bashr4: 12:40am On Jun 16, 2011
the cars are manufactured in nigeria , some components might have been imported but its still a made in nigerian car. you people need to stop being silly for once in your miserable life.

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